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[Skygazer]

hi all

i'm running a machine learning algorithm to help me scum hunt. so far it says everyone is null

i also didn't give it any training data so it'll probably keep saying everyone is null

VOTE: glitch

[Skygazer]

ill be posting again at some point today, feeling bleh

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oh hi boon

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VOTE: ceph

will explain or change my mind on my lunch break

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kitty why are you more active here than in the game we just finished together where you were town?

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is the person with no posts ever actually scum these days?

[Skygazer]

been unexpectedly busy, will be able to make more of an effort soon but i gotta go pass out now

[Skygazer]

...Does anyone townread Skygazer?

9:34pm

i guess i could go skygazer it feels a little bit like throwing up our hands and taking the slightly >rand option over really trying but that's not the worst thing ever

10:05pm

is the person with no posts ever actually scum these days?

10:09pm

been unexpectedly busy, will be able to make more of an effort soon but i gotta go pass out now

10:13pm

I'm not one to believe activity is alignment indicative. However, the timing of this is to me. A 40 minute block of suspicion gets their attention immediately. Like the immediate scenario that ran through my head was:

GIF posts suspicion of Sky, no worry yet...
Ceph posts they kind of want to look that way too... FOUR minutes and suddenly the busy bee finds a break in their schedule.

It's a conspiracy at best, because I have no way to prove it. But that's how it looks to me. Sky was already on my radar for 364 - so this may just be me wanting it to be true. I just think it looks suspicious to me.

i teach after work on tuesdays and dont get home til 10ish

[Skygazer]

and i care too much about optics to pull that as scum

[Skygazer]

still happy w my vote

be back later

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for the record i probably wouldn't have posted last night if i hadnt seen my name

my brain is mush and im reading but not following well

[Skygazer]

in fairness the meta has chnaged while you've been gone in such a way that lurkers are more frequently scum than they used to be

ive also been gone and havent adapted to meta so it balances out

[Skygazer]

i dont know if it applies to stargazer necessarily since they also have been away in the interim but like, players who have been in this meta going after lurkers isn't weird imo

o lmao

[Skygazer]

i have no idea whats going on in this game can someone give me a tldr

[Skygazer]

that beetlejuice is worse than mine

[Skygazer]

There's definitely at least one scum in: {

KittyTacky

,

NJAC

,

Glitch

}. I'll see in the postgame if my instincts were right.

Why?

by beetlejuice i meant this

[Skygazer]

Oh man NJAC totally flew under the radar for me.

I think that's because my initial gut read of them was slightly townie based on their pechant for townreading people. I feel like scum's bias is towards casting a broad net of potential suspects rather than trying to clear people.

But geeze they haven't contributed anything significant beyond a few early town reads.

i do the opposite tbh, i tend to throw out too many town reads as scum and dont do a good job at explaining them

[Skygazer]

(so i tend to scumread unearned townreads)

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(unless theyre on me bc im a fool)

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flavor you feel a bit more conservative play wise than i remember

[Skygazer]

i still dont especially want to kill hu =_=

Then why are you voting for them?

just chiming in to say im still likin my vote

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flavor can be town i guess? i feel like he'd be playing mind fucky games as scum tbh

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and his explanation wrt his different playstyle makes sense me thinks

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honestly im just jealous of ceph bc i dont have a colorful name anymore

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(/s)

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VOTE: njac

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im takin some time off next week so i'll hopefully be less burnt out

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hi enchant

[Skygazer]

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i dont think enchant's posting is ai here

[Skygazer]

like hello, Enchant actually does stuff as town. shit posts as scum.

finished a micro with them where they didnt rlly shitpost as scum so

[Skygazer]

i do

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i keep getting v lucky with the beatle juice opportunities

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i'm just too likeable

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i can't help myself, i just like juicing that beatle

[Skygazer]

can we just skip the part where i get wagoned and stressed out and talk myself out of the wagon

bc this won't go anywhere useful and i'd rather just save us all the time

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VOTE: ceph

im down

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well i'm ceph's grandma and have a 100% read rate

[Skygazer]

who is stargazer

[Skygazer]

bc im obvtown

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i don't think i have it in me to lurk this hard as scum, i get too invested

[Skygazer]

and fwiw my adhd is running rampant these days and i've tried to check in and read but i'm not rlly retaining anything

[Skygazer]

i've been hyperfocused on gentoo package maintenance instead of doing essential tasks like doing taxes, cleaning my room & playing mafia

[Skygazer]

help i accidentally locked myself in a supply closet at burger king

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hi comus

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im jealous bc i dont have a colorful name anymore

[Skygazer]

bc im obv town

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i do think there are multiple ppl here who know how slippery i am as scum and know this isny v likely to be scum me

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dont rlly feel the need to contribute rn if that isnt obvious

ill have more to go on later

[Skygazer]

after a flip

[Skygazer]

dont rlly feel the need to contribute rn if that isnt obvious

ill have more to go on later

What's your read on dragon and bub

bub defending me *could* be tmi but eh i have a soft spot for ppl townreading me

StD is null

[Skygazer]

i do think there are multiple ppl here who know how slippery i am as scum and know this isny v likely to be scum me

wouldn't the failure to build a large enough wagon on you count as you being slippery?

I disagree fundamentally with going for people solely due to the activity/lurking or meta, but you've definitely not contributed in any meaningful way imo

i mean the one time that happened i basically just came in and was like "dont do that"

i feel like my scum slipperiness is generally more manipulative than that?

[Skygazer]

dont rlly feel the need to contribute rn if that isnt obvious

ill have more to go on later

What's your read on dragon and bub

bub defending me *could* be tmi but eh i have a soft spot for ppl townreading me

StD is null

[Skygazer]

i feel like generally stubbornness/tunnelling is town but i havent rlly thought about it too much

[Skygazer]

hi gimli!

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if i actually play today and continue to play could yall kill someone thats not me?

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UNVOTE:

[Skygazer]

i once claimed friendly neighbor as scum on D1 and didn't get elimmed until day 3 or 4

[Skygazer]

VOTE: andante

fine with this after they went from hinting at being a PR to claiming VT

[Skygazer]

I can't really envision an instance where scum would risk claiming winning a scum game with someone without knowing the game actually existed. If this is the play by scum!FL to trick me into town reading them, it's worked. But I can't see a world where FL is scum this game.

i can see many worlds but im nowhere near ready to address that yet

[Skygazer]

i think ur more likely to flip town here than not but we got a tight deadline and u either flip VT or scum so

[Skygazer]

im drunk btw

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im not actually scum reading FL for the record

just treating him with a healthy dose of paranoia

[Skygazer]

i think ur more likely to flip town here

I would like to point out I have been told this the past like 3 days... just saying.. glad we're really trying here

<2 days to deadline and ur not me so

[Skygazer]

gimli town

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itd be so easy for scum gimli to just float thru the end of the day phase and not stop and reevaluate here, its giving town

[Skygazer]

makes me think hes actually trying to solve

[Skygazer]

wish eiralox would post, i feel like i could read them if they did

[Skygazer]

if Skygazer were scum, they just claim PR, and people move off of it anyways, and scramble.

Your active choice to not see the future of some of the actions you're picking is scum indicative.

u remembered my scum meta :0

[Skygazer]

VOTE: flavor

[Skygazer]

more to follow but 80% sure flavor flips scum here

[Skygazer]

at my grandparents sorry

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flavors push for me to claim is gross

[Skygazer]

flavor went from trying to pocket me to trying to say greeting was a counterwagon to scum me lol

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oh tbf i misread in the same way gimli seems to have

[Skygazer]

UNVOTE:

mostly just wanted to see how flavor reacted to that

[Skygazer]

i should know better than to try and reaction test you tbh

[Skygazer]

VOTE: kitty

i feel left out

[Skygazer]

i've also been working on an upcoming game today :0

[Skygazer]

ok sick

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no L word

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The end of the day post Sky made hopping on the wagon always is going to ping me, but I don't think scumSkygazer has any reason to say that rather than just keep quiet.

ya right before kitty flipped i was thinking "if he flips red i kinda put my foot in my mouth huh"

[Skygazer]

accidental page top

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did greeting claim mason with anyone? i wanna do that thing where u make the votes different colors

[Skygazer]

did greeting claim mason with anyone? i wanna do that thing where u make the votes different colors

"I am asking a question that I could easily look up for myself, but hey it looks like I am doing something and not lurking".

isoing like 30 ppl across 100 pages isnt that easy my guy

[Skygazer]

outting masons is bad ya

[Skygazer]

flavor being first on the kitty wagon is honestly the main thing keeping me from voting him tbh

[Skygazer]

"lets not push people to claim guys"

*pushes to out PRs*

[Skygazer]

thats my flavor impression

[Skygazer]

anyways until anything indicates otherwise i think we just treat greeting as always town

i think jailkeep is indicative of a save here and claiming mason + being announcing jailkept is such a weird scum play this early on, like that sort of fakeclaim would crumble so easily that if greeting is scum its bound to happen so why worry when its more likely greeting is just town

[Skygazer]

i'm aware and i'm still weighing that

i'm also just trying to avoid a 1v1 with flavor bc i don't think i win that

[Skygazer]

Spoiler: D1 VCs

vote count 1.0 !

not voting (17):

curiouskarmadog, MalcolmTucker, Andante, Kowahbunga, Venmar, Cephrir,

Greeting

, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Skygazer,

KittyTacky

, Eiralox, Hu Tao, Save The Dragons, NJAC, Bub Bidderskins, Enchant

vote count 1.1 !

Hu Tao (2):

Eiralox, Bub Bidderskins

Enchant (1):

Skygazer

Andante (1):

Cephrir

Skygazer (1):

Enchant

Eiralox (1):

KittyTacky

Flavor Leaf (1):

Venmar

Greeting

(1):

NJAC

Venmar (1):

curiouskarmadog

curiouskarmadog (1):

Kowahbunga

not voting (7):

MalcolmTucker, Andante,

Greeting

, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Hu Tao, Save The Dragons

vote count 1.2 !

Hu Tao (2):

Eiralox, Bub Bidderskins

Greeting

(2):

NJAC, Kowahbunga

Enchant (1):

Skygazer

Andante (1):

Cephrir

Eiralox (1):

KittyTacky

Flavor Leaf (1):

Venmar

Venmar (1):

curiouskarmadog

curiouskarmadog (1):

Hu Tao

not voting (7):

MalcolmTucker,

Greeting

, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Save The Dragons, Andante, Enchant

vote count 1.3 !

curiouskarmadog (5):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins, Eiralox,

KittyTacky

, Andante

Greeting

(2):

NJAC, Kowahbunga

Enchant (2):

Skygazer, Cephrir

Hu Tao (2):

Save The Dragons

Skygazer (1):

Greeting

Flavor Leaf (1):

Venmar

not voting (5):

MalcolmTucker, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Enchant, curiouskarmadog

vote count 1.4 !

curiouskarmadog (5):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins,

KittyTacky

, Andante, Kowahbunga

Andante (4):

curiouskarmadog, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Cephrir

Greeting

(2):

NJAC, Eiralox

Enchant (1):

Skygazer

Hu Tao (1):

Save The Dragons

Skygazer (1):

Greeting

Flavor Leaf (1):

Venmar

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Enchant

vote count 1.5 !

curiouskarmadog (4):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins,

KittyTacky

, Andante

Andante (4):

curiouskarmadog, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Cephrir

Greeting

(3):

NJAC, Eiralox, Kowahbunga

Enchant (1):

Greeting

Hu Tao (1):

Save The Dragons

Flavor Leaf (1):

Venmar

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Enchant

vote count 1.6 !

curiouskarmadog (5):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins,

KittyTacky

, Venmar, Andante

Andante (3):

curiouskarmadog, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf

Greeting

(3):

NJAC, Eiralox, Kowahbunga

Enchant (2):

Greeting

, Save The Dragons

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

Eiralox (1):

Cephrir

Hu Tao (1):

Enchant

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.7 !

curiouskarmadog (4):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins,

KittyTacky

, Venmar

Andante (3):

curiouskarmadog, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf

Skygazer (3):

Save The Dragons, Cephrir, Eiralox

Greeting

(2):

NJAC, Kowahbunga

Hu Tao (2):

Enchant, Andante

Enchant (1):

Greeting

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.8 !

curiouskarmadog (3):

Hu Tao, Bub Bidderskins,

KittyTacky

Skygazer (3):

Save The Dragons, Cephrir, Eiralox

Hu Tao (3):

Enchant, Andante, Venmar

Greeting

(2):

NJAC, Kowahbunga

NJAC (2):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer

Andante (1):

curiouskarmadog

Enchant (1):

Greeting

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.9 !

Hu Tao (4):

Enchant, Andante, Venmar, Save The Dragons

NJAC (4):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer, Kowahbunga,

Greeting

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky

, Cephrir

curiouskarmadog (1):

Hu Tao

Skygazer (1):

Eiralox

Greeting

(1):

NJAC

Andante (1):

curiouskarmadog

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Bub Bidderskins

vote count 1.a !

NJAC (6):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer, Kowahbunga,

Greeting

, Andante, Hu Tao

Hu Tao (4):

Enchant, Venmar, Save The Dragons, Bub Bidderskins

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky

, Cephrir

Skygazer (1):

Eiralox

Greeting

(1):

NJAC

Andante (1):

curiouskarmadog

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.b !

NJAC (5):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer, Kowahbunga,

Greeting

, Hu Tao

Hu Tao (5):

Enchant, Venmar, Save The Dragons, Bub Bidderskins, Eiralox

Enchant (3):

KittyTacky

, Cephrir, Andante

Greeting

(1):

NJAC

Andante (1):

curiouskarmadog

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.c !

NJAC (5):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer,

Greeting

, Skygazer, Hu Tao

Hu Tao (5):

Enchant, Venmar, Save The Dragons, Bub Bidderskins, Eiralox

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky

, Cephrir

Andante (2):

curiouskarmadog, Kowahbunga

Greeting

(1):

NJAC

GuyInFreezer (1):

Andante

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.d !

NJAC (5):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer,

Greeting

, Skygazer, Andante

Hu Tao (4):

Venmar, Save The Dragons, Bub Bidderskins, Eiralox

Andante (4):

curiouskarmadog, Kowahbunga, Enchant, Hu Tao

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky

, Cephrir

Greeting

(1):

NJAC

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker

vote count 1.e !

NJAC (5):

Flavor Leaf, GuyInFreezer,

Greeting

, Skygazer, Andante

Hu Tao (4):

Save The Dragons, Bub Bidderskins, Eiralox, Cephrir

Andante (3):

Kowahbunga, Enchant, Hu Tao

Cephrir (2):

NJAC, Venmar

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, curiouskarmadog

vote count 1.f !

Hu Tao (4):

Save The Dragons, Eiralox, Cephrir, Andante

Andante (4):

Kowahbunga, Enchant, GuyInFreezer, Hu Tao

NJAC (3):

Flavor Leaf,

Greeting

, Skygazer

Cephrir (2):

NJAC, Venmar

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

curiouskarmadog (1):

Bub Bidderskins

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, curiouskarmadog

vote count 1.g !

Andante (6):

Kowahbunga, Enchant, GuyInFreezer, Hu Tao, Flavor Leaf, NJAC

Hu Tao (4):

Save The Dragons, Eiralox, Cephrir, Bub Bidderskins

NJAC (2):

Greeting

, Skygazer

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky

, Andante

Cephrir (1):

Venmar

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, curiouskarmadog

vote count 1.h !

Andante (4):

Kowahbunga, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Venmar

Skygazer (4):

Hu Tao, Save The Dragons, NJAC, Cephrir

Hu Tao (2):

Eiralox, Bub Bidderskins

Enchant (2):

KittyTacky

, Andante

Cephrir (2):

Enchant, Skygazer

NJAC (1):

Greeting

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, curiouskarmadog

vote count 1.i !

Andante (5):

Kowahbunga, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Venmar, Enchant

Skygazer (5):

Save The Dragons, NJAC, Cephrir, Andante, Hu Tao

Hu Tao (2):

Eiralox, Bub Bidderskins

NJAC (2):

Greeting

, MalcolmTucker

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (1):

curiouskarmadog

vote count 1.k !

Andante (5):

Kowahbunga, GuyInFreezer, Flavor Leaf, Venmar, Enchant

Skygazer (5):

Save The Dragons, NJAC, Cephrir, Andante, Hu Tao

NJAC (2):

Greeting

, MalcolmTucker

Hu Tao (1):

Bub Bidderskins

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

not voting (2):

curiouskarmadog, Eiralox

vote count 1.l !

Skygazer (6):

Save The Dragons, NJAC, Cephrir, Hu Tao,

Greeting

, Andante

Andante (5):

Kowahbunga, GuyInFreezer, Venmar, Bub Bidderskins, Enchant

NJAC (1):

MalcolmTucker

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

Cephrir (1):

Skygazer

Enchant (1):

Flavor Leaf

Bub Bidderskins (1):

curiouskarmadog

not voting (1):

Eiralox

vote count 1.m !

Andante (5):

Kowahbunga, Venmar, Bub Bidderskins, Flavor

Skygazer (3):

Save The Dragons, NJAC,

Greeting

Eiralox (3):

Gimli, Enchant, Hu Tao Leaf, GuyInFreezer

NJAC (1):

MalcolmTucker

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

Bub Bidderskins (1):

curiouskarmadog

MalcolmTucker (1):

Andante

not voting (2):

Eiralox, Skygazer

vote count 1.n !

Andante (6):

Kowahbunga, Venmar, Bub Bidderskins, Flavor Leaf, Skygazer, Gimli

Skygazer (4):

Save The Dragons, NJAC,

Greeting

, Hu Tao

Eiralox (2):

Enchant, GuyInFreezer

NJAC (1):

MalcolmTucker

Enchant (1):

KittyTacky

Bub Bidderskins (1):

curiouskarmadog

MalcolmTucker (1):

Andante

not voting (1):

Eiralox

vote count 1.o !

Andante (7):

Kowahbunga, Venmar, Bub Bidderskins, Flavor Leaf, Skygazer, NJAC, Gimli

Skygazer (5):

Save The Dragons,

Greeting

, Hu Tao,

KittyTacky

, curiouskarmadog

Eiralox (3):

Enchant, GuyInFreezer, Andante

NJAC (1):

MalcolmTucker

not voting (1):

Eiralox

vote count 1.p !

KittyTacky

(9):

Flavor Leaf, Gimli, NJAC, Andante, Save The Dragons, curiouskarmadog, Bub Bidderskins, Hu Tao, Kowahbunga

Skygazer (3):

Greeting

,

KittyTacky

, Enchant

Andante (1):

Venmar

Eiralox (1):

GuyInFreezer

NJAC (1):

MalcolmTucker

[Skygazer]

i know flavor is a very gambitty player and great at messing with associative as scum but its hard to see a world where he pivots onto a scumbuddy at the end of day where the wagon forming has been chaotic when he had at least one miselim that would be an easy push

[Skygazer]

especially when his partner is bulletproof and has a 1-shot invest

but i mean there is a world in which he did it to distance and it kind of spiraled i suppose

[Skygazer]

@flavor: like i said, i dont rlly think youd bus here. beyond you asking me to claim, i view asking a mason to out as antitown but its also kind of one of those things thats so antitown scum would be cautious of doing that? idk

[Skygazer]

im gonna try to do some iso diving 2morrow

[Skygazer]

@flavor: like i said, i dont rlly think youd bus here. beyond you asking me to claim, i view asking a mason to out as antitown but its also kind of one of those things thats so antitown scum would be cautious of doing that? idk

Gimli did it too.

But yeah, that’s a MaFilosophy difference thing.

I’m more indifferent to it than I think Gimli is. My thought process for it is it would be nice to not have to have that ‘what if’ factor of Greeting, and it narrows down the POE hard, but like I said before, it’ll solve itself eventually.

We’re level 2, and we need to fight the same creatures that’s stats are just boosted to level 5, but I already know how to beat it, but I can’t enter the battle screen yet.

My no claim policy legit only takes place in that exact instance where Day 1 was almost done, and we had a large wagon on the only claim and it was VT.

It’s how I caught Tchill years back, and I do it every time in that sense.

Day 2 onwards, I generally don’t care as much about going for claims or not because we have usually a flip or two.

ye i mean i think i landed on "trying to out masons is too bad optics wise for scum to try"

otherwise i'd be voting gimli rn

i need to iso dive bc i rlly dont have anything else i can weigh in on

[Skygazer]

but thatll be a tomorrow thing

[Skygazer]

i do think that balance wise if there's masons those are like probably our main source of clears

ive only looked at schadd's last couple large normals but i remember him being into friends-and-enemies-like setups in the past. i think if thats the case then mason(s) rlly shouldnt out unnecessarily bc theyll obviously get picked off and we'll lose what could be a major source of clears in the late game. better to keep scum in the dark.

i dont think it harms town in the slightest to keep masons in the dark for now. even on the offchance greeting pulled a hail mary and fake claimed mason as scum. i don't really see greeting as having a strong enough influence rn to do anything too fucky if they happen to be scum but i also dont think theyre scum

[Skygazer]

outting masons is bad ya

flavor being first on the kitty wagon is honestly the main thing keeping me from voting him tbh

"lets not push people to claim guys"

*pushes to out PRs*

anyways until anything indicates otherwise i think we just treat greeting as always town

i think jailkeep is indicative of a save here and claiming mason + being announcing jailkept is such a weird scum play this early on, like that sort of fakeclaim would crumble so easily that if greeting is scum its bound to happen so why worry when its more likely greeting is just town

i'm aware and i'm still weighing that

i'm also just trying to avoid a 1v1 with flavor bc i don't think i win that

This is the most content you've posted all game. Why now?

feel bad for zero posting and im forcing myself to find the motivation

[Skygazer]

especially when his partner is bulletproof and has a 1-shot invest

but i mean there is a world in which he did it to distance and it kind of spiraled i suppose

I know scum knows who are on their team, but I forget, do they know the ROLES each other have prior to D1?

typically ya, scum have daytalk here and a lot of times mods will post role PMs in the scum thread

[Skygazer]

hu why are you so focused on me suddenly deciding to play the game?

if i was still lurking i'd bet you'd complain about that too

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coincidentally I've ISO'd skygazer especifically to read her d2 and I think she's fine, for now at least. we're flipping some slots before skygazer imo for sure. also her wagon was dirty.

OTOH I hard disagree with y'all takes on outing the mason partner, because I still think there's a very good chance greeting is scum. I started to grow suspicious of skygazer again today because she was pushing that it was antitown to get a full claim out of greeting, but maybe we just disagree on how to play this gameday.

regardless, outing the masonry isn't that important rn, so I'm not gonna argue hard about it. I'd rather argue that we should kill venmar.

if greeting is scum then this game will be easyyyyy. i also rlly dont think they bust out a mason claim there as scum. D1 is too early for that.

ive said it before but schadd likes friends and enemies based setups and outting masons puts town in a harder spot. and you think *i'm* the one acting antitown? lol

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hu why are you so focused on me suddenly deciding to play the game?

if i was still lurking i'd bet you'd complain about that too

Because it seems like scum that realizes how far behind they are now and actually has to try

if that was the case i would've been trying harder when i got wagoned yesterday

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Unpopular opinion, Greeting outing masonry makes sense because high chance of vig existance and vigs love to shoot masons for some reason.

looking at schadd's past few games he also likes putting in mechanisms to make vigs less swingy. he had a disloyal vig in the past year or so (and admittedly didnt like the disloyal component) wouldn't be surprised if we had something like a simple vig.

knowing schadd i also think its very possible there just isnt a vig lol

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my boss is out of the office today so lets see if i can actually do that iso dive

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goin on vacation til monday night but ill still do some

wolfy

popins

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im goin to a gay beach

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vacay probably means ill have more time to post tbh

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schadd doesnt run games with traitors, its in his ruleset

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im not really sure if i wanna compost andante

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god i slept in like a billion years

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I am still cool with my vote.

No one will join i know

i will if only to prod dodge

VOTE: curiouskarmadog

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to prod dodge

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VOTE: andante

fineee

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yeet

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controversial opinion but i personally am hoping for a scum flip

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or innocent child, thatd be pretty funny

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i think its safe to say andante will flip here

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Man, Star you have post more in this page than you did the entire Day 2

who is star

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well i was gonna come in hot against flavor today whoops

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schadd a little sus with the slow thread opening on the weed holiday day

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same sighs

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ok so i've thought about it and i'm outting

i'm a traffic analyst and gimli is able to communicate. with the masonry i'd normally hide this but after rereading greeting and gimli i don't really see them as masons together.

so gimli is prob scum (or a neighbor or mailman or something but probably just scum)

VOTE: gimli

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just played a game with scum bub and i think they'd be more obvious if they were scum here

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aight UNVOTE:

reaction test over

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i rlly scumread gimli here but dont know how to push it so i was hoping i could get him to fumble panic and claim something stupid

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felt safe doing so bc he's def not mason

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ya i mean as soon as gimli was like "im vt" i was like ok not really gonna derail things further by pushing this

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aight UNVOTE:

reaction test over

is sheep your strongman?

no but i may or may not be an informed detective

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eh

i was SRing you and i think flavor kill also points towards u

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i think there were enough players SRing him that his kill didnt make sense to me after the andante flip unless it was by someone he was SRing or it was done by someone he knows well enough to read correctly later on

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the thing about pocketing players early on is they tend to reevaluate later on and it's sometimes better to kill good players you pocketed while you can still point to their townread before they turn on you

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i got the vibe you've played with him more bc i've only played a handful of games with him and those were like 2019ish

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I have 1 completed game with FL, from three years ago. how do you think he knows me better than you know me, for instance? I think you know my game much better than FL. enchant and std know my game super well by this point.

with the way yall interacted i never would have guessed!

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hey gimli why didn't you vote me there though? when i was faking a guilty on you?

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i feel like if im town there i vote immediately and if im scum i hold off on voting and hope the person retracts

but thats just me eh

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@gimli: fair point. just trying to get what i can out from a stupid moment

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im like 95% sure i know who the masons are if that makes u feel better venmar

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uhhh i dont remember anything about bpp or eiralox but sheeps posting has been eh to me today

mayb im biased bc i think im an easy vote for scum to take a stance on

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who is STARgazer

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ya know i just remembered eiralox is comus

and town comus has this fire to him that absolutely wasn't here at all

so i could go for sheep

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i just played a very brief micro with scum bub where he was so transparently manipulative so im thinking bub is town here

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I mean idk what happened to eira he just disappeared I hope he is okay and I don't think his involvement with the game was AI cause his absense was sudden and sitewide

ahh didnt realize it was site-wide, thought maybe he didnt like playing scum or something

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also he was the 'omg scum has daychat? THAT CHANGES EVERYTHING *unvotes venmar*' speaking of dumbtelling

Wait mafia can daytalk here???

how many mafia do you think there are in this game? 3?

I am not sure! Maybe it's multiball?

there's actually 5 scum

source: im a ninja psychologist traitor

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i think u should take me out

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reaction test aside, i am a traffic analyst and have an inno on StD (they can't communicate)

so maybe don't go there

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reaction test aside, i am a traffic analyst and have an inno on StD (they can't communicate)

so maybe don't go there

can you tell me why you picked me

i was on the fence about it but i figured you were a good slot to clear ig? outted now so you dont get run up and have to claim

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bruh i know i was trying to prevent you from outting it

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reaction test aside, i am a traffic analyst and have an inno on StD (they can't communicate)

so maybe don't go there

can you tell me why you picked me

i was on the fence about it but i figured you were a good slot to clear ig? outted now so you dont get run up and have to claim

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u rlly shouldve just followed my lead on this, thought u knew what i was going for when u said u think im town

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im like 95% sure i know who the masons are if that makes u feel better venmar

more hinting

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if you were town you didn't really need to do that i wasn't in danger i was just in gimli's POE not being rung up

disagree. would rather nip any scumreads on u in the bud. and if i were scum here you would be dead N1, i wouldnt risk getting elimmed as scum trying to protect a mason lol

shouldve just let me eat the NK smh

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im very obviously not a TA. i dont have any results on StD i just spotted a very obvious crumb D1

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crumb?

i can't point it out for obvious reasons but i will after your third mason is outted

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anyways i feel like i spotted gimli fishing for something from you StD so i'm gonna

VOTE: gimli

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ive said too much!!!

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all i'll say is with the info i saw i could do a lot more damage as scum than accidentally getting a mason to call me out for lying when i was very transparently trying to spew them as "not mason"

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like why would i try that big brain play to protect them when i could just say nothing and let gimli continue sussing them or pop them with a NK lol

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skygazer doesn't scumhunt but is super interested in mason crumbs somehow I wonder what alignment does this

i cant help what i spot

i have good eyes for masons

contrast this to ln219 where i spotted masons D1 as scum and used that info to try and pocket the masonry

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i would not have pushed for us all to collectively treat the mason claim as town like i did D1 unless i had already spotted the masonry !!

sighs

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I don't know who is sillier: STD or Skygazer.

its me, im sillier

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this would've gone so well if StD picked up on what i was going for

shouldn't have trusted that they would

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i was very clearly hoping StD would like, not claim there ...

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if you were really trying to protect a mason claim you wouldn't claim something that openly contradicts with their role as mason, that's a hard no bueno

i was thinking that an out of nowhere bold-faced lie along with "i didn't want you to get run up and have to claim" was enough of a hint for StD to catch and play along

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yea that's apparent

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this is why i like to mod instead

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i'm just too fucking impulsive and weird to play town effectively

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if y'all are going to policy me just get it over with i guess, i've done too much damage to town

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i am not outting the last mason unless they out.

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i've already outted one mason on accident am not gonna out another on purpose. would me revealing the crumb even change anything about your read on me? no lol

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UNVOTE:

okay it's gimli

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was running more interference to try and draw scum away from that slot. why i vote parked ceph for so long so they seemed like a less attractive NK

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finding crumb now hold on

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let me play the devil's advocate to your accusation: what you pointed out isn't unique to those two users, since savethedragons (i'll abbreivate to STD if that's ok) also just said "hi" without casting a vote, so wouldn't the same kind of logic apply to them?

and while people do vote for reasons during rvs its redundant because these are completely unaligned reasons that would be the same regardless of rand, so the votes are equally as non-commital and passive as the entrances, and the argument falls apart pretty quickly because of that

Sure, it's just the the timing that seemed a little...eh to me. Sort of "hey, let's show my face so everyone knows I'm cool but not actually try to move towards finding scum>" I'll admit it's weak and I'm not married to this tell, but my general read of scum behavior is that they're like politicans who'll pop in to show themselves but don't actually want to be attached to a wagon.

I'm much more confident in my read that it's very unlikely both Hsu and Kawaii are both scum just because of their interaction. It just seems like scum wouldn't banter with each other about such fluff just right out of the gate.

I'm with

STD

and

Cephrir

on this one.

And, as a matter of fact, one game when I was mafia, I tried pushing a similar point to move up the pace and fake a contribution.

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here it is !!

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Didn't Gimli claim VT?

yes and i was trying to spew them as not mason too

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aight i need to step away this is too much

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u dont need to feel bad its my own damn fault lol

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so was that just a rlly unlucky coincidence that one of the masons bolded a mason and non-mason???

i feel stupid

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but sky, what that means is that when you first fakeclaimed traffic analyst you were literally targeting someone that you actually did think was greeting's mason with a positive result, so that when I outed masons you'd appear like a townie

i was thinking you'd do exactly what we did so u could distance urself from the masonry but in hindsight that couldve gone even more stupidly if u were a mason

i drank too much last night and am not operating at 100%

shouldve just stuck to lurking

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Skygazer really on a outting PRs speedrun that should be punished with elimination on principle

im not gonna fight it, im a liability to town at this point

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ya i dont rlly think, i just kinda do sometimes

ill continue playing if i dont get policied but i need to actually step away now

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it works so well for scum me bc im rlly dumb as town too

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Skygazer really on a outting PRs speedrun that should be punished with elimination on principle

im not gonna fight it, im a liability to town at this point

LOL

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why do i keep hitting refresh tho

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this is one of those moments where i need to like go home and smoke some weed and remind myself that this is just an internet game that i use as an excuse to shitpost and sometimes ethically manipulate people

i appreciate the meme its making me take this whole thing lighter

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you chat mafia player right?

ya i got started irl at a photography camp on a rainy day.

got into irc mafia (wish i remembered the channel!) as a teen then later did epic mafia then MS and ToS as an adult

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i love chat mafia bc i only have to live with my stupidity for minutes rather than days

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but i do rlly admire the forum format and love modding for it/seeing what other ppl do. it feels like theres way more community than in chat mafia. my adhd/impulsivity just makes it hard to play well sometimes

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it'd be hilarious if StD/furtive/????? were the rest of the scum team

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that whole time i was just getting progressively more and more frustrated w gimli. like a "why cant u see im trying to hide yall!!"

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oh i get one more chance to post this before imgur deletes images from unregistered users:

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just skip like the last 5-10 pages or so

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doesnt that fact that uve seen me fakeclaim as scum very recently (along with others in this game) make it extremely dumb to try and pull that shit again as scum? do u think if i were scum here id try to pull the exact same shit on you after a scum PR died and managed to miss a kill? like i said in monkey business, i was able to play like i did because we had a deep wolf. scum isn't in a gr8 spot this game.

i was just trying a stupid gambit to maybe preserve the masonry until late game and keep heat off of them bc i still do believe theyre our biggest source of clears here.

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i do wanna thank yall for not being mean to me or anything over this

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doesnt that fact that uve seen me fakeclaim as scum very recently (along with others in this game) make it extremely dumb to try and pull that shit again as scum?

Don't make these arguments they work against you lol.

ya i had that "hit send" immediate regret bc it does just like plant more paranoia seeds

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aight i should do some more solving instead of whatever it is im doing

in my chad thunder game i had a rule for myself where i read every post twice before posting and i should probably stick to that (the one time i broke that was to let enchant hammer umlaut whoops) so maybe ill just like... do that

in fact im doing it now

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i also like only allowed myself to post on my laptop (mostly bc i was too lazy to switch back and forth on my phone) and i think that had some sort of benefit to my posting

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i must bite my tongue