Large Normal 244 | Quotes From my Linear Algebra Professor or Random City Skylines or Random Songs: Town Wins!

[TemporalLich]

why do you say I should be a policy lim but then give a scumcase in the same post

i gave you a town case in the same post too

you said I'm only worth townreading because of tone, so that is actually a scum case

[TemporalLich]

I prefer ordered read lists as it's the order that is important for determining where I vote and push, not the tiers

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fair enough


1210 makes me want to vote iamveryhappy so I will

VOTE: iamveryhappy

[TemporalLich]

well how do I avoid even the slightest possibility of being accused of waffling?

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I feel like if I'm not overly brash or reckless, I will get accused of waffling and I will be the Day 1 lim as nothing will be able to save me

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it is not possible to defend against a waffling accusation, not even if you are an IC

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so yeah, if you're wondering why I am overconfident and arrogant when it comes to reads, it's to avoid waffling accusations

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then what I think has drifted away from what I say... ((

[TemporalLich]

apparently being diplomatic is scum

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eh I attempted to attempt to play this game well

[TemporalLich]

kraken is a benign 3p that needs to have good reads

I lost that game because I had bad reads

[TemporalLich]

i'll say that pisskop is towny

[TemporalLich]

this is a large normal after all

[TemporalLich]

I am willing to vote inside my PoE of Psyche, furtiveglance, Hu Tao and iamveryhappy

not willing to vote Flavor Leaf or BBmolla as those wagons have never materialized and my reads on them were super confirmation biased

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oh wait a FL wagon did materalize but it never was any good

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yay I'm lean scum

oh wait that's not good but at least I'm not pocketed anymore so yay

[TemporalLich]

as for snivy, snivy is still "I cannot sort" but I'd say snivy is more of a scumread than a townread now as the ISO doesn't look promising

whatever that's PoE worthy nowadays

[TemporalLich]

1271 is an RVS vote outside of RVS so there's a reason for a snivy scumread

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not really

the worst hasnt said much

I agree but voting there means you don't have much reads this game

[TemporalLich]

I don't get the shaddowez wagon

snivy's vote at least appears to have reasoning but the worst's vote is out of the blue

[TemporalLich]

no shit any first vote on a wagon seems "out of the blue"

its kind of hard to progress pre-vote with this kind of push

the worst's vote is not the first vote on the shaddowez wagon, and is a vote without context

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of course you missed it lol
VOTE: JacksonVirgo
this guy really wants a vote on me now after that post, hmmm I don't know why

this post is very scummy and I think iavh should be the lim today

[TemporalLich]

the vote feels OMGUSy and passive aggressive to me, and the reaction in that same post is scummy

[TemporalLich]

unless iavh is claiming combined vengeful vengeful vengeful vengeful vengeful an iavh lim would be fine

[TemporalLich]

ebwop: multitasking vengeful vengeful vengeful vengeful vengeful

combined vengeful vengeful vengeful vengeful vengeful would be equivalent to just vengeful

[TemporalLich]

uhhh what the fuck
yeeting me means that I get yeeted
consequences: none.
winner: me. smh
might want toget someone to tell me my reads are too shallow

then what was saying "when I die you all die" about?

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okay the worst's recent posts are really towny

my PoE still remains the same: Psyche, furtiveglance, Hu Tao and iamveryhappy

with Flavor Leaf and BBmolla being in the "unsure if PoE or not" range

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also, I townread Aisa for posts like 1450 and 1416, while Cat Scratch Fever seems to have an iota of towniness to me

[TemporalLich]

What's the reasoning for the IAVH wagon again?

I want to know the reasoning for the ZZZX wagon but you aren't on that wagon


anyway, I am voting IAVH because of posts like 1406, that vote is OMGUSy and passive agressive and the reaction is scummy


another post that is scummy is 1324, which IAVH contradicted in 1439

also IAVH doesn't seem to have towny posts either

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okay I think the ZZZX wagon is at least somewhat fair, but I'm not really wanting to join that wagon either


CSF has some reasoning in 1502

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okay I am more confident an IAVH lim is a good idea

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snivy is scum if IAVH flips scum

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Honestly, Hu Tao feels like obv scum this game.

And the second I started to town read both CSF and The Worst I got instant paranoia nd felt energy one of them are working

I could definitely go for a Hu Tao wagon


Hu Tao hasn't been towny this game, and 1451 and 1543 don't give me confidence as those are very low effort posts that make the ZZZX wagon look unappealing

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CSF is the reason I'm not saying the wagon on ZZZX is scummy

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I could definitely get behind an IAVH speedlim, especially considering the counterwagon is scummy except for CSF (which is apparently means CSF is scummy)

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I mean yeah I guess but the scummy wagon on ZZZX means ZZZX is town so I'm not willing to vote ZZZX

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and I actually think Aisa is scummier for joining the ZZZX wagon with no good reason

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I don't see why IAVH is towny so I still want to vote IAVH

I am willing to vote Hu Tao as well

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I still really dislike how Hu Tao went on the ZZZX wagon, so Hu Tao isn't towny imo

pedit: that's the explanation that makes sense to me

[TemporalLich]

okay, IAVH scum then

pedit: wut

[TemporalLich]

I will say, if Hu Tao has read only a small subset of this game, that actually is a case for Hu Tao being low effort town

[TemporalLich]

some more low effort reads: davesaz seems town, while bob3141 seems null

[TemporalLich]

starting to think Hu Tao is town

[TemporalLich]

starting to think Hu Tao is town

Do you have a poe of Psyche, furtiveglance and iamveryhappy by any chance

yes, those players are still in my PoE

[TemporalLich]

flavor leaf is town based on their reads and based on the flavor leaf wagon not going anywhere

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thinking about it more, I'd say IAVH and BBmolla are good lim choices for today

BBmolla still doesn't seem town, but I'd want to see BBmolla give reads instead of trying to push a policy lim of all things

BBmolla, what are your reads as of now?

[TemporalLich]

BBMolla had a push?

VOTE: TemporalLich

Policy

this is the entire push, before that there is an RVS vote on flavor leaf

VOTE: BBmolla

yeah BBmolla wagon is indeed a good idea

[TemporalLich]

I'm obviously going to be biased but I dislike that vote on me

Hu Tao is scumreading me for a gutread, but felt the need to qualify it by saying they can't explain it 3 times

That reads unnatural to me because gut reads are typically something that can't be explained anyway, so why feel the need to say that 3 times?

This is such an unusual game for me

Blood over utopia has done a number on some of y'all lol

For some reason

, I think you could be scum. It's a gut feeling, your posts don't seem genuine

for some reason

. But

I'm not sure why

VOTE: CatScratchFever

hmm nice catch

you're probably town then

as for Hu Tao... yeah idk if this is worth scumreading Hu Tao again over but that level of hesitation isn't towny

[TemporalLich]

because I would not have noticed that otherwise

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I would say null to scum myself

more posts are needed to assess bob's alignment

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I always find in extra large games the goal is not to kill town but chain execute teh town vigs, that 53 player large still gives me shudders lol

holy scumslip

VOTE: bob3141

[TemporalLich]

if that is not a scummy mindset, I know less than -50% about what a scummy mindset is

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temp, he was joking

I honestly am not seeing it

that just seems like setup spec but done from scum PoV

[TemporalLich]

also this means Hu Tao is a strong townread, due to that setup spec scumslip

[TemporalLich]

bob, who do you scumread as of now?

[TemporalLich]

a bit of context for the joke

viewtopic.php?t=82371

okay I'm clearly not in on the joke then

bob, who do you scumread as of now? Your lack of scumreads is why I'm still voting you as of now

[TemporalLich]

well bob implied that they townread Hu Tao (bob is currently voting Hu Tao) so yeah

[TemporalLich]

to be honest no one so far really. ive read about 10% of the thread and am still pondering how to convert my wagonomics from single ball 13p mini to 23p multi ball.

And thats with limited time since everyone else has big head start on me as i was vla and will be at work until saturday.

yeah I'm still gonna keep my vote on you

this is especially concerning considering your Hu Tao vote and how I currently think you are

townreading

Hu Tao despite voting Hu Tao

[TemporalLich]

i dont get where your gettign my Hu town read from when i stated my read on Hu is null

Your joke post plus your Hu Tao RVS vote outside of RVS adds up to my conclusion that I think you're townreading Hu Tao

[TemporalLich]

this is multiball flavor leaf

[TemporalLich]

you're saying I'm in investigation range then?

pedit: yeah let's just say that joke confused me

I still want to scumread bob and locktown Hu Tao for that post though

ppedit: it still was outside the actual RVS, probably

pppedit: a 50 player large normal just sounds like unfunity

p^4edit: should I claim now as claiming at E-1 won't help anything?

[TemporalLich]

you're saying I'm in investigation range then?

divulge into this please

if you're saying I won't die during the night in a multiball, I'm neither a towny player with excellent reads or a scummy player.

investigation range would be players where a clear or guilty would be immensely helpful in sorting - the only somewhat scummy players probably

pedit: thanks for explaining your joke post

I'm happy with votes on IAVH or BBmolla at this stage

VOTE: BBmolla

[TemporalLich]

temp is just a fun hater lmao

... apparently I am too serious for this game

((

would like some elaboration so I can avoid this mistake

[TemporalLich]

This is the second time you’ve tried to make out something that was obviously not a scum slip into a scum slip.

how was that obvious?

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if you're gonna call me a fun hater and attack my character, I'd want some reasoning that also doesn't attack my character

[TemporalLich]

so I'm a fun hater for not being in on the joke?

[TemporalLich]

well I'm gonna get policy limmed for not being in on the joke and also waffling

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so my lack of knowledge of in-jokes is likely going to be the reason I don't make it to Day 2

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and yeah I can't see why that joke post wasn't serious until it was explained

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waffling is equivalent to a red check from a Cop

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also this means Hu Tao is a strong townread, due to that setup spec scumslip

Why would that make me town? Don't understand. Say he was scum, could I not just be other scum?

I don't want to retract a strong townread as that would be waffling and I'd be completely hopeless to stop my lim

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I'm about 10% as worried as I should be

you can't defend against a waffling accusation even if it's knowingly false and in bad faith, you just can't

[TemporalLich]

okay I'll take a breather as I'm too heated as of now

[TemporalLich]

Could this be a scum slip from TL? Here me out... he think Bob scum slipped and is scum. And since TL is on the other team he automatically said I would be town since he knows I'm not on his team and not on bobs team from his perspective?

you know what I'm unable to dispute this

[TemporalLich]

but that adds up to 0.5, not 2

[TemporalLich]

well wanting to policy lim is worth -0.5 scum points

[TemporalLich]

anyway gonna make a late day 1 lead rist to prove I've been consistent on my reads

[TemporalLich]

well wanting to policy lim is worth -0.5 scum points

Back this up.

Show me where you've seen scum want to policy lim in games compared to town wanting to do it.

Cuz this is cap and a discredit technique.

I can't because I have nothing to back this up with

I have to be confident in playing, I'm supposed to be an experienced player

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Like I'm serious, I want you specifically to show me where you've seen scum want to policy that has made you as a player see it as scummy to offer policy.

Otherwise, that's a pure discredit and beneficial to scum you.

I said I can't

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and yes I'm trying to discredit my own wagon, that's the entire point

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it's a last ditch effort to save myself

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Yeah, I can why your partners wouldn't want to defend you too hard here.

did you heavily imply without subtlety that you are bussing?

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yeah I'm not going to self-vote

[TemporalLich]

late day 1 lead rist, this one was also formed by skimming ISOs:

[Town]

Hu Tao - basically confirmed town due to bob's joke post
JacksonVirgo - extremely towny and trustworthy
Doctor Drew - very towny
Shrek - quite towny
Klazam - quite towny
Naerys - townread
Save The Dragons - very memey town
pisskop - somewhat town, good posts late day 1
Cat Scratch Fever - very towny, but only this low on the lead rist for having negative scum equity
the worst - town lean
davesaz - town lean
Aisa - null town
Flavor Leaf - Unsortable
shaddowez - Unsortable, maybe scummy but idk
camelCasedSnivy - towny trend, currently null scum I think
Random Nurse - mildly scummy I think
furtiveglance - consistently mildly scummy
BBmolla - scum slipped but I think bbmolla might be deeptown
bob3141 - quite scummy, very inactive (not lurking, inactive)
iamveryhappy - quite scummy

[Scum]

[TemporalLich]

TL, sheep and I won't advocate another policy on you until Day 2.

sheeping is scummy so I won't as I have pressure on me

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also, CSF is in the town side of my lead rist - voting there would be scummy

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I only have CSF so low on my lead rist because CSF is basically a deepwolf

I still have CSF on the town side of my lead rist - since that's outside of the PoE voting there is reckless

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wait, they forgot Psyche.

This is a scum slip, and they're partners with Psyche.

half kidding, half not

Psyche is below furtive and above BBmolla, for being consistently quite scummy

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i don't agree that there is a "scum opportunistic" vibe to them. am not aware of posts where someone attempts to explain why this is the appropriate interpretation of his iso, while i've seen (and made) plenty arguing the contrary.

that is flavor leaf's entire push on me

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ZZZX is hard null, which is below Aisa and above Flavor Leaf

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Psyche and ZZZx are missing from that readslist.

They moved out their partners to place them after they did everyone else, and forgot to place them.

Their reads list is entirely political.

TL is scum.

TL, explain?

I was hastily creating my lead rist as I was under threat of policy lim

if that is not sufficient, I can't explain further

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yes, flavor leaf is extremely towny as all alignments

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explain how voting a deepwolf on Day 1 isn't going to get me speedlimmed Day 2 even if said deepwolf actually flips scum

[TemporalLich]

explain how voting a deepwolf on Day 1 isn't going to get me speedlimmed Day 2 even if said deepwolf actually flips scum

What

Are you arguing that we shouldn't vote CSF, even if she's scum, to prevent your D2 elimination? How does that make sense to you?

it doesn't make any sense but that's what I said so I can't take it back unfortunately

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but yeah I'm hesitant to vote outside my PoE while under pressure

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anyone have any thoughts on CSF being scum (and not just a deepwolf)?

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VOTE: Psyche

let's end day 1 ASAP

[TemporalLich]

pocketing me is not going to make me want to townread you, Psyche

[TemporalLich]

that isn't a green check lol

pedit: yeah I wanna see Hu Tao elaborate on the fake CSF posts

[TemporalLich]

pedit: I meant red check... a green check is a clear

[TemporalLich]

do you still scumread hu tao after bob's joke post?

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This?

I think he was referencing another game and not a scum slip

yes that post is why Hu Tao is locktown

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Psyche is scumconf'd from TL until proven they're not, though.

is not what "scumconf" means. if someone is confirmed scum, then it should be impossible the opposite to be proven. just another unserious post

okay flavor leaf is town then

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VOTE: ZZZX

Eh what's the worst that could happen?

[TemporalLich]

I'm just burned out

[TemporalLich]

do you think this setup could be SKattic?

[TemporalLich]

Its been years since I played though. Arent SKs explicitly non normal?

SK is allowed in Large Normals afaik

[TemporalLich]

Well if its still the same as like 2020 then larges get 2 non normal 'grey' roles allowed.

Any claimed vig can be Policied before .... eliminate or lose? Ello?

the greylist isn't a thing anymore

[TemporalLich]

wassit called now?

Eliminate or Lose, or ELo

[TemporalLich]

Im vigging TL

this is 150% a joke post but it still technically counts as a vig claim

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Psyche and ZZZx are missing from that readslist.

They moved out their partners to place them after they did everyone else, and forgot to place them.

Their reads list is entirely political.

TL is scum.

really doubt this one believes they've found an entire scumteam from one list of names.
alternative is that flavor can be driven by pure confirmation bias and wishful thinking.
must check if this thought pattern is consistent across the thread

i doubt you doubt it.

I said at the present, until something confirms that it is not true, TL has scum slipped their entire team by leaving exactly you and ZZZx out of it.

It helps I already believe ZZZx is scum, and I was already thinking you were defending TL a lot this game.

And TL doesn't do well under pressure, so I can def believe they were trying to politically place all the townies (or other team, they just dont know).

TL is scum because of how political their reads are.

this is probably the reason for the ZZZX wagon

[TemporalLich]

as for me, I'm voting ZZZX as the day needs to end shorter rather than later for the benefit of town

[TemporalLich]

we have negative one day of actually being useful to town though

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the consensus is that we need the end the day early

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Posting because I hate everyone and want them to suffer having to read this post

gonna quote this as it shows why we need to end the day ASAP

[TemporalLich]

...

VOTE: ZZZX

Do you think ZZZX's post is scummy despite the self-vote?

The self-vote makes that post unsortable imo

[TemporalLich]

To me when a player self-votes it's usually Scum doing this. Town has no valid reason for self-voting. Scum does.

I was thinking it is Town who would self-vote

[TemporalLich]

To me when a player self-votes it's usually Scum doing this. Town has no valid reason for self-voting. Scum does.

I was thinking it is Town who would self-vote

Please explain this thought process to me in detail.

scum wouldn't want to self-vote as it would be too risky and bring attention

town can afford to make risky and flashy plays

[TemporalLich]

I've heard of WIFOM but haven't noticed it in practice

but yeah good point, ZZZX's risky play is still very calculated so I think the ZZZX wagon is still a good wagon

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gonna say this as it is worth saying maybe: ZZZX is currently at E-3

[TemporalLich]

CSF's latest posts have been towny

VOTE: Psyche

don't think a CSF wagon is a good idea, but that is only because CSF seems likely to be town

[TemporalLich]

psyche is a better wagon idea and is actually likely to end up flipping scum

[TemporalLich]

thing is, we need to end D1 by like yesterday

[TemporalLich]

seriously idk why people scumread CSF

[TemporalLich]

psyche is consistently scummy and is not really townread by anyone

easy way to end the day with a scum flip

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thing is, we need to end D1 by like yesterday

Why? i dont understand why you wish to rush

because not rushing will just leave the town confused when Day 2 comes

we have already gotten all the info we can get today

[TemporalLich]

Ok, I had reasons. But my laptop is terrible, and I didn't want to type everything up again. Just ask if any specific player-related questions.

Spoiler: Town

JacksonVirgo
Flavor Leaf
Aisa
Shrek
Naerys
Klazam

Spoiler: Townlean

Pisskop
Hu Tao
the worst
shaddowez
TemporalLich
Psyche

Spoiler: Null

camelCasedSnivy
Random Nurse
Doctor Drew
BBmolla
ZZZX
Save The Dragons

Spoiler: Scum

Cat Scratch Fever
davesaz
iamveryhappy
Bob3141

how is psyche a townlean, and would you be okay with an IAVH lim if the psyche wagon goes nowhre?

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thing is, we need to end D1 by like yesterday

Why? i dont understand why you wish to rush

because not rushing will just leave the town confused when Day 2 comes

we have already gotten all the info we can get today

More interactions = more data to investigate

it's all just going to be noise, what makes you think there will be more signal if we delay a lim?

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I'm actually scumreading Naerys for trying to reduce the signal to noise ratio of D1

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VOTE: Naerys

this is the new speedlim wagon

[TemporalLich]

ideally the day would be over before a couple of hours

pedit: yeah Naerys is probably scum for wanting to leave the town at a bad position on Day 2

[TemporalLich]

if not Naerys, who do you think is scum and has a good chance of being the lim today?

[TemporalLich]

so the worst is likely to be scum and a good lim for today?

[TemporalLich]

Survivor is not Normal because benign third parties are not Normal and Survivor is immensely unfun, has zero player agency, leads to kingmaker scenarios, and makes setups hard to balance.

Survivor should never be Normal.

I repeat,

Survivor should never be Normal.

[TemporalLich]

I will actually go as far as to say this applies to the ToS Survivor which has a factional 4-shot Activated Bulletproof ability

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the new wagon is on CSF and I think trying to hunt for deepwolves on

Day 1

is a dubious strategy at best

[TemporalLich]

if we were in an alternate universe where you vote for town players, I'd vote Hu Tao

[TemporalLich]

flavor leaf who should be the lim today?

[TemporalLich]

it seems like every wagon that is pushed is doomed to fail

CSF is a deepwolf but this is Day 1, and Psyche is apparently townread

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VOTE: ZZZX

yeah, ZZZX's claim post is still scummy

[TemporalLich]

VOTE: Psyche

blatant pocketing at this point trying to further undermine the town's confidence

pedit: real emotion is town though, so emotions are usually a townread

[TemporalLich]

Woah there, be careful. Mafia aren't emotionless

yeah, scum aren't emotionless but honest emotion is still a towntell regardless

[TemporalLich]

In my experience, it really isn't. What emotions would you consider town-telling?

frustration I'd consider town, but it is still easily faked

it's more that emotion indicates thought streaming which makes the mindset more obvious

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well how else would I survive to Day 2?

if I don't thoughtstream, I'd be obvious scum

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read people on their actions and motives, not emotion/tone. like emotion/tone/meta are supplementary things, end of the day it's about objective and purpose. zzzx has done absolutely shit this game

It's Day 1, I can't read people based on mech

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mech is a base line, but it isn't the end all be all either.

Day play and objectives above all.

then how exactly am I supposed to read day play if I can't read by mindset?

[TemporalLich]

D1 associatives only have intuition based off them... they're mostly something to check after flips happen

pedit: I'm too burnt out to read this game intensively

[TemporalLich]

Ideally I'd eliminate one of {Psyche, ZZZX, BBmolla, iamveryhappy} today

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VOTE: ZZZX

flavor leaf has spoken, and I agree with this lim regardless

[TemporalLich]

You guys have all these wild confident beliefs about things you've never done the work to validate. I'm envious a way but it's tiresome.

I need to be overconfident to not get limmed Day 1

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it will bite me later, but it's a strategy I sadly have to use

pedit: it's better if we are in a good position Day 2 - a good position can happen even if we mislim, but we'd need to vote for scummy players

ppedit: yeah ZZZX is probably the ideal lim today.

also I can't be regularly confident as that requires actually being confident rather than faking confidence

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I'm not Flavor Leaf, and I didn't roll Thaumaturge this game

[TemporalLich]

if I'm not confident then I'm waffling, and if I'm waffling then I get limmed Day 1, and if I get limmed Day 1 I can't improve my game

overconfidence is a book move

[TemporalLich]

but really. do you honestly believe that town has equal chance of solving and winning whether zzzx or whoever gets limmed today turns out to be scum or town?

the game state has fell to a point where a ZZZX mislim would leave us in Day 1 the sequel

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but that is true of literally any mislim whatsoever, so a ZZZX lim is still good

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Lovely, now we moved from ZZZX is clearly scum to a few people going yeaaaa idk if hes scum but its best so we dont push someone else, might as well give more night actions to the scum instead!

Since when is it better to not push for information during the DAY, when the town has the most power, in a normal which is NOT role madness, and instead go for a mislim for... reasons?

And everyone who is on me went from me being clearly evil, like now how TL is going, to trying to logic around, trying to show why a mislim is still good, its fine really!

Anyone pushing for a lim that is clearly wrong, that they indicate they think is wrong, is either grossly misplaying or scum.

Anyway, I will check some other stuff and then hit the bed, Not much to add, I insist of my previous two reads and the reason is, read the last 2 pages.

this... is actually promising

UNVOTE:

[TemporalLich]

ZZZX is 200% trying to discredit their own wagon

we finally have some hope of getting more signal out of this day

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I still like CSF as a vote but I'm willing to compromise. Anyone else scummy?

How do you feel about voting one of {Psyche, iamveryhappy}

iavh is scummy for coasting and blending in and having no meaningful content, while Psyche has been consistently scummy for the whole game

pedit: yeah I don't see how CSF is scum, sorry

[TemporalLich]

CSF is a deepwolf, but not actively scummy

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ZZZX is 200% trying to discredit their own wagon

we finally have some hope of getting more signal out of this day

I have been very happy to interaction, argue, and answer questions. And yes, I am obvious discrediting my wagon, because it is built on bullshit and lies, and it is my hobby to dismantle those

how do you feel about voting either Psyche or iavh?

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Can you guys actually explain what you mean by deepwolf?

You mean 'potential to pocket everyone'?

deepwolf = very not obvious scum

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VOTE: iamveryhappy

we are unlikely to get content from iavh and I think iavh is scum

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yeah hu tao is town

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@TL - if you stay on IAVH, I dont want to see waffling if they claim PR. If we decide to go iAVH, we power through it no matter what they claim.

does this include a multitasking vengeful vengeful vengeful vengeful vengeful or thaumaturge claim?

if not, then sure I'd eliminate an IAVH that claims IC

[TemporalLich]

eliminating a claimed multitasking vengeful vengeful vengeful vengeful vengeful is too risky

no thanks

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also, eliminating a thaumaturge is bad for town regardless of the thaumaturge's alignment

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the thing is I like ZZZX's recent posts

I'm hesitant to vote ZZZX but I do want to put ZZZX in the tent when ZZZX gets to E-1

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flavor leaf might as well be a thaumaturge regardless of flavor leaf's actual role

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1) What's a thaumaturge?

2) You should scumread yourself for being a big contributor to bloating D1.

1. A Thaumaturge is a Vanilla Cop that gets flooped results on non-town players. It isn't a Normal role yet but a Thaumaturge would benefit town regardless of alignment.

2. fair enough but there's a concept called "fmpov" that says you shouldn't scumread yourself

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The ZZZX and Flavor Leaf imteraction is very TvT

As for Psyche, I'm starting to hesitate on Psyche being scum

Hey, TL, they slipped and called themselves scum for sure!

I'm not going to make the same mistake (calling a joke post a scumslip) three times.

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as for BBmolla, their jokey aura has dispelled any scumreads I have on BBmolla and replaced it with a strong townread

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I don’t think they’ve joked much this game…?

I was going off their posts in the last few pages

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also, in the context of BBmolla being town, BBmolla is quite proactive

pedit: if the posts are semi-serious I'd have to put BBmolla as a weak townread instead of a strong townread

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i'm sorry. i am going to need some time. the whiplash would be too immense

this was a funny joke! if i make a melodramatic post it's me trying to be funny! like for me, lana del ray's groundbreaking debut studio album born to die is one of the 21st century's greatest works of comedy

VOTE: BBMolla

though i townread you a little less for considering it

Please explain your BBmolla vote

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It's more that I'm townreading jokeyness and BBmolla's scumread was based off bad foundations

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flavor leaf might as well be a thaumaturge regardless of flavor leaf's actual role

What's a thaumaturge? Certainly not a role I've ever heard of.

Can tell if someone is either Town or Vanilla (but not both)

Basically a Vanilla Cop that gets inverted results on non-town players.

pedit: I'm surprised you scumread two of my strong townreads

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can anyone give me a case on CSF that doesn't include the word "deepwolf"?

I'm really not seeing how CSF is scum...

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I'm not sure

also idk what FL is voting BBmolla for, after I said my scumread on BBmolla was based on bad foundations

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Who seems to be shifting their votes the most so far?

probably either me or FL

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I feel like I’ve only voted for like 3 people this entire game, maybe 4, so idk where that vote shifting thing of me is coming from

yeah idk that was just a strange thought

not sure who actually changed votes the most

pedit: Random Nurse is the one who asked about vote changing, Naerys said you revel in creating chaos

ppedit: yeah I was apparently very wrong about FL

regardless, I read FL as strong town right now

pppedit: I'd like to know as well

p^4edit: makes sense

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iavh is E-3 if I am counting correctly

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is -2?

If I'm counting correctly, iavh is at E-2

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yeah I think a hammer is a good idea

iavh is already in the tent twice

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iavh being town suggests to me that Naerys is town

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though that is because iavh has townread naerys and idk what other posts of iavh are useful

[TemporalLich]

Klazam's flip makes Hu Tao look like scum (also turns out my townread on Hu Tao was based on BBmolla's "scumslip")

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Another naked sheep vote, and looking at their ISO there's literally a single post interacting with bob and zero where bob is directly mentioned. Referring back to the good old "agreed" read list, bob is null.

Reviewing the posts around pisskop's link, also saw this:

I actually liked how worst was willing to question Temporal on their read on me even given earlier stance on how worst thought Temp was not the place to go today, instead of doubling down and ignoring Temp.

Gonna be a hard sell to move me right now.

VOTE: the worst

this is an excellent post

that does seem very strange indeed

VOTE: the worst

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Got prodded, oops. I’ve been reading along but so much going on, felt I could not really interject, esp on a phone and having to stuff to do.

Some thoughts from me-

Agree that Hu Tao is still scummy
Being placed as super town by Temporal, worst, and uh someone else feels wrong to me given that my only contribution was that day where I actually read and posted.

Will try to make another post tonight or so, I have some thoughts about the various discussions over the past few days that I wanna look at and point out things.

Sorry mod!

and for some other context, here is another Klazam post with a strange read on the worst

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yeah ZZZX has the third vote

ZZZX can't be scum because of that

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Klazam says the exact same thing about you, what do you make of that?

it's also something to consider, however Klazam's read progression on me feels more natural (as in, towny mindset)

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klazam's read progression on hu tao also doesn't feel natural so I could get behind a Hu Tao wagon

klazam initually scumread hu tao for good reasons, until klazam townread hu tao for a strange reason (being unaware that the game is mutliball being a townspew apparently)

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staring harder at the iavh wagon it is on the 16th-highest poster itt, and includes all top posters from #1-#4 along with #11 & #14..

iamveryhappy (#16): Shrek (#11), furtiveglance (#4), JacksonVirgo (#1), Flavor Leaf (#2), TemporalLich (#3), pisskop (#14)


i can't tell if i'm just super blind about iavh or if this wagon is just, like, too cohesive against too boring a target to feel like a hit?

Not sure the point you're trying to make here

not much of one just an observation. there's a lot of people with a lot of presence/control who agree that iavh (a very low-influence slot) is worth wagoning and i'm just like, not on the same page. where other wagons seem to be mostly players who are a lot less active.

like the iavh wagon is fine. i'm not anti. it's just.. fine. i'm not motivated to join it. i'm like, fine if it goes through. everything about it seems so meh to me.

i'm kind of surprised the folks with the most presence are consolidating on something quite boring?

^^^^

And this right here, the non-stance on the IAVH wagon......no matter what the flip is, they can wipe their hands clear of it and seemingly not look too bad.

okay found this in Drew's ISO (Doctor Drew flipped town)

I really think the worst is scum this game

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I do think Hu Tao is scum, but I think the worst is more scum

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I do think Hu Tao is scum, but I think the worst is more scum

whats the case

Doctor Drew said that the worst's thoughts on the iavh wagon is a non-stance that is meant to look good even if iavh has flipped town (which iavh did flip town)

everyone was kind of burned out though and my thoughts on iavh were that iavh could have been scum due to the lurking and lack of content

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but Klazam pivoting onto CSF off of Hu Tao is still quite strange

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Hu Tao also pivoting onto CSF doesn't give me confidence that Hu Tao isn't scum either...

honestly I'm fine with either wagon, but I think the worst is slightly more likely to be scum.

and I doubt Hu Tao and the worst are co-aligned, but they are probably cross-aligned scum

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hu tao and CSF might be co-aligned actually I guess

VOTE: Hu Tao

I want to see if this associative holds up

pedit: It was based on BBmolla scumslipping, which was actually a joke post

also Hu Tao gets a scumread because NKA

[TemporalLich]

basically "my Hu Tao townread was on bad foundations so I might as well change my mind"

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I'll say Flavor Leaf is my strongest townread now - NKA suggests that Flavor Leaf is town

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wow doctor drew just transitioned from benign easy-to-miss side character to primary antagonist. a real kuvira move

psyche might be scum, idk

still gonna try to see if the NKA generates anything useful, but I doubt Flavor Leaf would want to NK Klazam or Doctor Drew