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Post Post #1225 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:05 pm

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In post 1222, pisskop wrote:
In post 143, furtiveglance wrote: I knew someone would vote me for my post and it's funny it they (you) are wrong!
So what did you get out of the whole show then?
I got a kick out of it
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Post Post #1226 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:06 pm

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so yeah, if you're wondering why I am overconfident and arrogant when it comes to reads, it's to avoid waffling accusations
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Post Post #1227 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:07 pm

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In post 1226, TemporalLich wrote: so yeah, if you're wondering why I am overconfident and arrogant when it comes to reads, it's to avoid waffling accusations
You actually seem really conflicted/changeable in your stances
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Post Post #1228 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:08 pm

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then what I think has drifted away from what I say... :(((
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Post Post #1229 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:09 pm

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viewtopic.php?t=80959

Firstly, this is a scum game of Temps. They gave me this game when I asked for their most recent scum game, so it is a while ago. If they have any other non marathon scum games since then, that is scummy in its own right, but they might not.

Also, PISSKOP was in this game with TemporalScum, so they might be able to give some insight.



so here's what I see from [url=viewtopic.php?p=11305123#p11305123]. This was a read's list from their scum game.
gonna post this lead rist just in case

[Town]

Almost50 - #modconfirmedtown
Rautherdir - Still as towny as ever. SRing chenn does indeed help.
Gamma Emerald - Still feels like his towny self this game. Decent pushing and cases. Townread.
Dr Easy Bake - Townlean, idk why he is a near-universal TR but I don't see much reason to SR.
ofrhz - probably decent at being a sliver
gobbledygook - probably town if I had to split the difference. Nullish.
Hectic - I get really weird vibes from him.
pisskop - Still as scummy as ever. 1286/1287 feels like a bad vote.
NotMySpamAccount - opportunistic and plays scummy, 1210 might be some failed attempt to look town

[Scum]

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

willing to also vote pisskop, but prefer NMSA
In post 117, TemporalLich wrote: preliminary lead rist:

[Town]


BBmolla - Decently good scum case on Flavor Leaf, the claim isn't a claim that scum would make either
Merlyn - Seemingly townie question in
Random Nurse - Towny vibes
biancospino - maybe townie I guess
Klazam - Somewhat good scumread on Psyche
ZZZX - Coasting for now
the worst - Unsure what read to put here lol
Anyone not specifically listed - hard null due to lack of content
Flavor Leaf - possibly too openly scummy to actually be scum?!
Shrek - Blatant reaction tests
furtiveglance - Very weird opening posts with no other content
Psyche - Planned posts, too serious

[Scum]


oh, and I do think being overly serious is a scumtell, but the scumtell is more in planned posts.
The top one is the scum game of Temp's, and this game has similar read distribution. Even down to the 'weird energy' line with Hectic and Furtive.
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Post Post #1230 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:10 pm

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This is on a soft read through of that game too, but I do think there's merit in this being scumTemp.
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Post Post #1231 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:11 pm

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keep in mind, Molla's case they're referring to

is actually the case that I made on myself that BBm agreed
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Post Post #1232 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:11 pm

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it's completely political. Their entire playstyle is that, and they hesitate to vote other slots because theyre trying not to upset key slots that could turn.
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Post Post #1233 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:13 pm

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(in response to pisskop, i aint quoting that)

the point of was that i found the premise of ‘flavor gave up because he was getting wagoned early D1’ to be ridiculous. i developed a TR on him because i felt the people on the wagon were far more scummy
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Post Post #1234 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:15 pm

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In post 1230, Flavor Leaf wrote: This is on a soft read through of that game too, but I do think there's merit in this being scumTemp.
do you have a town game to compare it to because i don’t 100% buy that the way he makes lists here and there is a scum habit of his
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Post Post #1235 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:15 pm

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In post 151, davesaz wrote: An early d1 self vote is hardly giving up. It's most likely to be a joke, and if he's scum it's the perfect time to try to look townie.
No? a self vote is like putting a gun to your head and betting that it isnt loaded. It's self destructive and its more like a self defense mechanism.

well I dont know how you can read anything off of your wagon you voted on. You gave people permission to pile on bro
In post 155, Flavor Leaf wrote: If Bbmolla is scum, they were able to successfully mist themself.

Zzzx feels a bit jokey with it, which I think is leak town.

Klazam, idk. Probably town?
yes, yes, and how is 2 naked votes town

Psyche is 100% right


In post 173, Naerys wrote: anyone else having a gut feeling that a scum might be hidden on FL wagon?
Wouldnt be surprised, its all naked. Maybe the scum on FL
is
FL?

I mean, isnt that why its called a gambit? I think youre defending bad play at best, and youre leaving room for you to back out and SR flavor at worst.
In post 180, Flavor Leaf wrote: i dont really know what the two of you are arguing about
I mean, they took an early game mood and spun it up. Id love to hear some reads that aren't about people voting you.

Im not sure how I read IAVH. I appreciate people's effort to look past the Flavor train, but I dont have an opinion on happy yet.
In post 196, Shrek wrote: i was agreeing with lich and responding to the post above that lol
I think it's premature to call flavor giving up. What's flavor done that actually town and not 'too scummy to be scum'?
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Almost50 pisskop: Overall, that's a townie slot. Don't ask for specifics because with PK everything can be interpreted either way. It's probably WHEN he says/does things that matter, so it's more of a matter of conception rather than solid reasoning.
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Post Post #1236 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:16 pm

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Setubal, Portugal


Day 1 VC 4:

iamveryhappy (5): Shrek, furtiveglance, JacksonVirgo, Flavor Leaf, TemporalLich
Hu Tao (3): Merlyn, Klazam, bob3141
Flavor Leaf (2): Hu Tao, iamveryhappy
furtiveglance (2): Psyche, pisskop
ZZZX (2): Save the Dragons, Naerys
BBMolla (2): shaddowez, camelCasedSnivy
Shrek (1): ZZZX
camelCasedSnivy (1): davesaz
TemporalLich (1): BBMolla
pisskop (1): the worst

Not voting (3): Random Nurse, Flavia, KittyTacky

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2023-09-19 17:13:00)

MOD NOTES: bob3141 and the worst are V/LA.
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Post Post #1237 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:18 pm

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apparently being diplomatic is scum
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Post Post #1238 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:19 pm

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eh I attempted to attempt to play this game well
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Post Post #1239 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:19 pm

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In post 1235, pisskop wrote: No? a self vote is like putting a gun to your head and betting that it isnt loaded.
you forget that i'm the type that uses a trick gun and set it up myself
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Post Post #1240 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:20 pm

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In post 1225, furtiveglance wrote: I got a kick out of it
Fair play lol. But then why be surprised when people interpret it as a bit tryhard?
In post 1229, Flavor Leaf wrote: Also, PISSKOP was in this game with TemporalScum, so they might be able to give some insight.
Its been a long time since I even played last, Ill look though.
In post 1233, Shrek wrote: the point of 139 was that i found the premise of ‘flavor gave up because he was getting wagoned early D1’ to be ridiculous. i developed a TR on him because i felt the people on the wagon were far more scummy
Ironically Flavors Vote on Flavor was more contentful than the votes against him. I had to look but klaazam was on the flavor train.


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Post Post #1241 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:20 pm

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stop posting so much :sob:
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Post Post #1242 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:22 pm

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In post 1234, Shrek wrote:
In post 1230, Flavor Leaf wrote: This is on a soft read through of that game too, but I do think there's merit in this being scumTemp.
do you have a town game to compare it to because i don’t 100% buy that the way he makes lists here and there is a scum habit of his
remember, it's not just that as a reason, it's just another thing in the overall package.



viewtopic.php?p=13781490#p13781490
here's a lead rist

[Town]

Firebringer - Very towny, very Firebringer
Doctor Drew - Very good at generating content and appearing trustworthy
NorwegianboyEE - A town mindset, this can be seen in 213
Peregrine - For some arcane reason I townread Peregrine
Klick - I quite like posts 228 and 314 though I do want to see the sorting soon
Enchant - Very weakly town, mostly due to me thinking Enchant is playing normally
Here There Be Dragons - towny vibes but not much else for me to comment on
Students of Prudence - I don't like the opening but I can see a town mindset

below this is what I'd consider the PoE

Malakittens - pretty much NAI
Ranger - No content, but effectively V/LA so hard null here
zoro - No content, hard null
Frogs - No content besides a scummy reaction of a vote on Here There Be Dragons (not having the game sorted is apparently scummy? what?), linked by associative to WhemeStar so if WhemeStar flips scum Frogs is very likely scum
Theta Alpine - Very good at blending in while not producing any meaningful content
WhemeStar - A quick ISO skim tells me scummy mindset, also defends (not pockets, defends) frogs and I still don't like post 300

[Scum]
IMO, this one is much better, and while their reads list are the same, the distribution is different from that of their scum game.
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Post Post #1243 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:23 pm

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In post 1241, camelCasedSnivy wrote: stop posting so much :sob:
ive never seen you complain about activity, tbh.
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Post Post #1244 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:24 pm

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In post 1243, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1241, camelCasedSnivy wrote: stop posting so much :sob:
ive never seen you complain about activity, tbh.
Game solve is camel/happy/tl and 3 more people. I'm a pro gamer
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Post Post #1245 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:24 pm

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In post 1243, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1241, camelCasedSnivy wrote: stop posting so much :sob:
ive never seen you complain about activity, tbh.
brother ive been gone for 2 hours and theres 4 pages
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Post Post #1246 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:27 pm

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In post 1244, JacksonVirgo wrote:
In post 1243, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In post 1241, camelCasedSnivy wrote: stop posting so much :sob:
ive never seen you complain about activity, tbh.
Game solve is camel/happy/tl and 3 more people. I'm a pro gamer
is this because i pop in and out lmao
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Post Post #1247 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:28 pm

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In post 212, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I can kind of get why Psyche thinks I’m doing ‘nothing but coasting’
Spoiler: olry?
In post 53, Flavor Leaf wrote: Who’d be opposed to me just coasting through the game giving me lol thoughts on players and pop culture storytelling until like Day 3 or 4
In post 172, Flavor Leaf wrote: im just tryna coast until later and solve.

Good to know its a balls game though.




I find FL's behavior largely neutral in itself. Actually, knowing it is multiballs Id expect someone like flavor to fade back and let people scumhunt each other. Maybe the fact its multiball is why everyones really into hunting for small clues in this game.

the whole exchange between these two is just a level above where I play. I dont see Temporals missrep for whatever that means. Auto-apologizing for 'snuck premise'? I cant quote offhand what that means per se, but it sure sounds kind of like some one-way buddying love
In post 250, JacksonVirgo wrote: You're assuming they're always playing with
your reasoning
in mind.
Fair, Flavor very rational, if you accept that the way he sees any game is consistent with his own internal mindset.

yee, maybe.

I mean, that's strictly a matter of framing. If you accept that Flavor is being incoherent than he wouldnt be planning his posts in that sense. He'd be freeballing his thoughts and Id be more interested in who he scumreads than a few free townreads. Its easy to 'clear' people early game as scum, its not really even about scumhunting v townhunting. Law of numbers says a that its simply easier, esp with a directed NK behind you to conveniently wipe TRs over the game. I think its what he isnt doing that will sink him.

I mostly agree with this
In post 309, TemporalLich wrote: speedlimmed
speed eliminated. Working on updating myself to the new meta.
In post 324, Flavor Leaf wrote: I could see Temp doing it as town, but they deserve some pressure.

VOTE: Temp
At least its a vote, but I think that Temps only looks worse because he's being overcooked rn.

P:
actually, temporal is still under fire in present day, so wdik
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Post Post #1248 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:31 pm

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The 4th (or so) vote when it's 12 to eliminate is hardly significant.

BTW
@mod, if it's not too much trouble please add the number of votes to eliminate to your boilerplate


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Post Post #1249 (ISO) » Mon Sep 11, 2023 12:32 pm

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@PK - we've been back and forth with them all game. We even town blocked with them for a bit.

This is how their scum game you were in with them was too, though. Temp was going after You and Hectic all of Day 1 that game.

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