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You hate waiting? Obvscum.roflcopter wrote:but lurking takes such a long time, and i hate waiting
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True on both counts.crywolf20084 wrote:Well. We could catch people by the way they word things. ...though scum could just copy the vanilla role off the front page.....STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Dude. There are times when bandwagoning is perfectly acceptable. Granted, wagoning for the sake of wagoning is scummy, but if everybody went off on their own tangents and never came to a consensus, the game would make no progress.MafiaSSK wrote:
So you think Bandwagonning in a game like this is okay?Yosarian2 wrote:That's really not true; especally in a large game like this, a small early bandwagon is unlikely to go to a lynch, it gives the town something to talk about, and gets the game going. Frankly, the chances of a random early speedlynch without the guy even getting a chance to claim in a game like this are close enough to zero so as to not even be worth worrying about.
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He is not the only person here with that meta.crywolf20084 wrote:I tend to ignore most of what roflcop has to say because it always comes out scummy...STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I am not wagoning for the sake of wagoning; I am attacking your views on wagoning.MafiaSSK wrote:
I thought this wagoning for the sake of wagoning...StrangerCoug wrote:
Dude. There are times when bandwagoning is perfectly acceptable. Granted, wagoning for the sake of wagoning is scummy, but if everybody went off on their own tangents and never came to a consensus, the game would make no progress.MafiaSSK wrote:
So you think Bandwagonning in a game like this is okay?Yosarian2 wrote:That's really not true; especally in a large game like this, a small early bandwagon is unlikely to go to a lynch, it gives the town something to talk about, and gets the game going. Frankly, the chances of a random early speedlynch without the guy even getting a chance to claim in a game like this are close enough to zero so as to not even be worth worrying about.
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It's anti-discussion, so yes.Yosarian2 wrote:
I agree that his views on wagoning are wrong. Do you think it's a scummy mistake for him to make?StrangerCoug wrote:
I am not wagoning for the sake of wagoning; I am attacking your views on wagoning.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Mistakes are rarely intentionally made.Litral wrote:I think anti-discussion is only a scummy mistake if it's intentional.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Misunderstanding a statement ≠ scummy. MafiaSSK said that bandwagoning is bad in that it will run somebody up to being lynched. Well,GnKoichi wrote:Vote: Strangercougfor misunderstanding MafiaSSK's statement in a way that I don't think is even possible.DUH!Somebody, preferably scum, has to swing! If I'm unaware of just plain wagoning and bandwagoning being distinct, then by all means bring that up and straighten that out for me, but misunderstandings are not valid reasons for a vote, whether or not I'm guilty of one.
Let me guess—I just talked about it in this post?roflcopter wrote:
not for the quote wall, that would be infantile. and i'd like to see if anyone else sees what i see before giving reasons.GnKoichi wrote:Rofl, are you FoSing me for the quote wall? If so, why me and not the two people after me? If not, why FoS me without giving a reason?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Aren't you being anti-discussion and thus anti-town yourself by telling roflcopter to shut up?crywolf20084 wrote:B)
Shut up.Rofl wrote:crywolf, stop lurking
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Scum tell would work in this sentence, instead of mistake. But anti-discussion is anti-town.Litral wrote:I think anti-discussion is only a scummy mistake if it's intentional.
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It read to me as cywolf20084 contradictingtyhess wrote:There's really no reason to FoS him.HERself, which is why.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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While your explanation makes sense, there's one problem with it—you said I misunderstood the statement before I even talked about the possibility. And the only way I see myself as guilty of misunderstanding MafiaSSK is if I'm lumping "wagoning" and "bandwagoning" together when they're distinct, which I don't know them to be.GnKoichi wrote:Actually, Yosarian, it makes perfect sense. Scum will sometimes "misunderstand" something so that they can push a vote without a good reason. It's a safe lie, because when it's pointed out they can just say "that was just a misunderstanding" and remove their vote. That was my initial idea, Coug, that you couldn't possible have misunderstood that, so it had to be a lie.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I already am.Yosarian2 wrote:SC: I think the stratagy suggested by mafiaSSK is anti-town and scummy, vote sskSTRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I'm trying. (In fact, I went back and made sure that I was already voting MafiaSSK before I did so.)GnKoichi wrote:OH MY GOD! Coug, please read more carefully.
Something's weird here. I don't know whether to call this appealing to fear or sucking up to roflcopter, but whatever it is, it doesn't look right.alvinz95 wrote:Bleh, too many BS overreacting arguments. They're fucking jokes. People need to listen to roflcopta cause he is deadly accurate in scumhunting.
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He's attacking your attack on me, so for him to also yell at me for lying about misunderstanding MafiaSSK, which GnKoichi has talked much more about than I did, would be playing both sides of the fence.Empking's Alt wrote:
So you think SC was lying about misunderstanding SSK? Well me too. That's why I'm voting him.Yosarian2 wrote:
I'm saying it dosn't make any sense in this context.GnKoichi wrote:Actually, Yosarian, it makes perfect sense. Scum will sometimes "misunderstand" something so that they can push a vote without a good reason.
SC: I think the stratagy suggested by mafiaSSK is anti-town and scummy, vote ssk
Emp: You must be scum pretending to misunderstand ssk's comment!
Uh...what? SSK's comment was wrong stratigically, and arguably anti-town; I don't really think it's scummy, but Emp's attack on SC dosn't make any sense here. I know SC made some comment about how perhaps he misunderstood SSK or something, but I really don't think he did.
Also, note the word "perhaps" in his statement. Yes, he goes on to say he doesn't think I misunderstood his statement. I can only interpret myself as misunderstanding MafiaSSK if there is a difference between wagoning and bandwagoning, so if there isn't, that would put me at the same stance of the issue as Yosarian2.
Once again, misunderstanding a statement ≠ scummy. I also see no evidence suggesting that I lied about doing so, and what little evidence there is that I misunderstood MafiaSSK in the first place, I have mentioned several times, including this post.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Though MafiaSSK addresses Litral about wagoning, it's not explicitly in the quote wall, so that would be a legitimate misunderstanding. That does not validate MafiaSSK's views on wagoning, however.GnKoichi wrote:Also, through King's quote of Yosarian, and Coug's continued lack of ability to understand anything that's going on, I finally caught on to the flaw in that quote. So, Yos & Coug: King was pointing out that Yos's series of paraphrases are incorrect. A better summary would have been:
SSK: I'm going to vote for Litral because he's admitted to wagoning. Wagoning is bad.
Coug: Sometimes a wagon is good, unless it's for no reason. Vote SSK.
SSK: I think Litral was wagoning for no reason.
Coug: I AM NOT WAGONING FOR NO REASON! I'M ATTACKING YOU FOR YOUR VIEWS ON WAGONING!
That last statement is almost a direct quote. It is Coug's original misunderstanding, and it's unbelievablity is the reason for both Mine & King's votes. That's why King said that if Yos doesn't believe it was an actual misunderstanding, he should actually agree with us, as that's what lead to the votes.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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My sense of humor has never been that good, OK?alvinz95 wrote:
= BS overreating argument thats on a JOKE. How ironic.SC wrote:Something's weird here. I don't know whether to call this appealing to fear or sucking up to roflcopter, but whatever it is, it doesn't look right.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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That is very true.Vino wrote:
People can certainly do things intentionally that later turn out to be mistakes.StrangerCoug wrote:
Mistakes are rarely intentionally made.Litral wrote:I think anti-discussion is only a scummy mistake if it's intentional.
Empking's Alt wrote:So you think that SC understood SSK.
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You think SC was not lying when he said he misunderstood?Unvote: MafiaSSKandvote: Empking's Altfor strawmanning Yosarian2. I have said over and over again, and Yosarian2 has acknowledged, that I only believed myself to have misunderstood MafiaSSK if "bandwagoning" and "wagoning" are taken to be clearly distinct. It's clear that he believes there to be no difference between the two terms either and that I therefore understood MafiaSSK correctly. (I understand that the question now is to whom MafiaSSK was talking.)STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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This:Empking wrote:How is it a strawman.
I had already explicitly given a condition (that wagoning and bandwagonning are not the same) where, if applicable, would mean that I misunderstood MafiaSSK. Here he references that condition and then proceeds to deny its application. Remember that Litral was not yet brought up at this point.Yosarian2 wrote:I know SC made some comment about how perhaps he misunderstood SSK or something, but I really don't think he did.
This reads as you presenting Yosarian2 as having contradicted himself, which I don't see. Yes, I now see where I misunderstood, but the misunderstanding involves Litral, who has little to do with what you're talking about. IEmpking's Alt wrote:So you think that SC understood SSK.
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You think SC was not lying when he said he misunderstood?STILLdon't know the difference between wagoning and bandwagoning (assuming a difference exists in the first place), which is a prerequisite to your attack against Yosarian2 making an ounce of sense to me.
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How can this be read any other way than that Y2 thinks you were entierly correct in your understanding of SSK?I just said that I thought SC was, in fact, entierly correct in his understanding of SSK,That's part of my strawman argument.
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What the two of you are saying are not the same. You present me as having then said that I indeed misunderstood MafiaSSK; Yosarian2 is denying that I did so.Empking wrote:Your stawman argument is that I'm saying what Yos2 meant instead of strawmanning?
Here's what happened:
#88: GnKoichi votes me for "misunderstanding MafiaSSK's statement in a way that I don't think is even possible."
#98: I bring up where I think ICOULDhave misunderstood MafiaSSK; in fact, I offer that the town set the record straight for me if I have indeed misunderstood him in the way I bring up. Nonetheless, I deny the validity of voting someone for misunderstanding a statement.
#99: You vote me for misunderstanding on purpose.
#105: Yosarian2 votes you for not making sense at #105.
#106: GnKoichi unvotes me, but still believes me to be lying as scum can easily say that they misunderstood something to cover up scummy actions. He therefore believes that you are, indeed, making sense at #105.
#116: GnKoichi tells me what exactly I misunderstood—that MafiaSSK was attacking Litral, not me, for "bandwagoning for the sake of bandwagoning" (to use my actual words); therefore, my attack against MafiaSSK was unjustified.
#124: You think Yosarian2 thinks I am lying about the misunderstanding.
#125: I say that for Yosarian2 to believe that I have both misunderstood and lied would be playing both sides of the fence. I fail to acknowledge #116, still thinking that wagoning vs. bandwagoning is the source of the supposed misunderstanding.
#126: GnKoichi tells me that he already said in #116 that "wagoning vs. bandwagoning" has nothing to do with what I'm being accused of and tells me to read said post.
#128: GnKoichi explains what exactly MafiaSSK and I said.
#132: I finally acknowledge that the misunderstanding GnKoichi is accusing me of is legitimate.
#136: Yosarian2 believes my (original) understanding of MafiaSSK. Once again, he denies that I misunderstood him.
#137: GnKoichi tells Yosarian2 to respond directly to #128.
#138: Yosarian2 finds out that he's guilty of the same misunderstanding that I was. He still thinks your vote on me is scummy.
#143: You ask Yosarian2 if he believes both that I understood correctly and that I wasn't lying when I said I misunderstood.
#144: I vote you for strawmanning Yosarian2.
#145: You question my vote.
#146: I explain Yosarian2's stance on me, keeping in mind that, at the time, neither of us were aware that the misunderstanding had to do with Litral.
Basically, your attack is invalid because part of it violates chronological order of events. The post I'm looking at the most is #128 because that's what made us realize what went wrong with my understanding. You are talking about stuff that happened before that.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Quoted for truth. I didn't mention roflcopter in my analysis because I felt his posts irrelevant to my argument, but I do know that you have a case on him, and his posts don't look very good (he looks hypocritical about IIoA, and I believe his accusation of you chainsaw defending MafiaSSK to be false).GnKoichi wrote:I'm going to drop a MASSIVEHoS: Litral & Lowellfor trying to start a random wagon on a lurker instead of asking for a prod. There is no attempt to scum hunt here, and there is A LOT to analyze between myself, Coug, Yosarian, King, Rofl, and everyone else who's actually been participating. No one has any excuse for random voting like this.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I'm not worried about that.Yosarian2 wrote:Ah, I see SC already beat me to that point. Ok then.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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As far as I am aware and what is supported by the conversation, no.Numberfourteen wrote:First off, I want to know, is there a difference between wagoning and bandwagoning? I cannot imagine that there is, but I keep seeing it coming up.
You strawman somebody by subtly misrepresenting what someone is saying and then attacking him or her based on your misrepresentation.Numberfourteen wrote:Also what is stawmanning, I have played several small games, and have never heard this term.
The misunderstanding occurred at #78, if it's of any help to you, but it requires reading what happened before that to make sense.Numberfourteen wrote:I am not sure what the big deal is with the misunderstanding. I could see it being a tell if it was consistantly happening, or if it was just rediculously obvious that the statement could not be understood the way it was. I just don't see either of these as the case right now.
I always have a real hard time forming any strong opinion on people day one, but right now the most suspicious person I can find would be roflcopter. He seems to make alot of posts with very little actual analysis, or input of any sort. Other than that, I jut do not see a whole lot right now. But I could be missing something big, because I am pretty much lost in the whole "misunderstanding" arguementSTRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Litral wrote:Numberfourteen, that opinion of roflcopter is not a weak opinion at all. It is the sort of thing we would like to hear.
Unfortunately for you, because of that, I'm going to keep my vote.Major HoS: Litral. Numberfourteen's opinion of roflcopter is not only pro-town but similar to mine.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Yet you never explained how Numberfourteen's opinion of roflcopter is scummy in the slightest. This is also a failure to take into account any issues Numberfourteen had. I would not like to leave a game abruptly because I broke my arm and had to go to the hospital, let alone come back a week later to find that I've been lynched as a result.Litral wrote:
First of all, I never said it was pro-town, I said it was something we wanted to hear, and we want to hear scumtells, don't we? I also said it was a well thought-out opinion. The lurker should've made it a long, long time ago, not right after two people vote him for lurking. This means to me that Numberfourteen has been reading along and does have something to say, but refrained from saying it without pressure - which is a scumtell.GnKoichi wrote:Litral, please explain your last post as being anything but purely scummy? If a lurker suddenly makes a pro-town post, why would you attack him for it?
... please, this is the second time in this game someone has depicted me as some sort of jester.
I also don't like your dismissing our accusations of you as us making you look like a jester. That's awfully cheap.
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Acting scummy on purpose does not necessarily make a player a jester—it could also be legitimate scum trying to get bussed as a gambit of some sort. I don't see either, but #162 is heavily noted. As in on 10,000 pieces of paper.Litral wrote:StrangerCoug, GnKoichi said that I was attacking a pro-town post after saying that it was a pro-town post. That implies that I was being scummy consciously. Doesn't that make me look like a jester?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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That's partly why I don't see your post as a bussing gambit.Litral wrote:
Uh, if I were scum and that was a gambit, then most likely either you or GnKoichi is my scumbuddy.StrangerCoug wrote:
Acting scummy on purpose does not necessarily make a player a jester—it could also be legitimate scum trying to get bussed as a gambit of some sort. I don't see either, but #162 is heavily noted. As in on 10,000 pieces of paper.Litral wrote:StrangerCoug, GnKoichi said that I was attacking a pro-town post after saying that it was a pro-town post. That implies that I was being scummy consciously. Doesn't that make me look like a jester?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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To dismiss GnKoichi presenting you as a jester as a crap argument. I never said you had to be either a jester or attempting to get bussed, no questions asked—my alternative instead of you possibly being a jester was simply the first to come to mind. If you are town, then your post is very suggestive to me of a village idiot. It's obvscum regardless.Litral wrote:
Then why did you even say this:StrangerCoug wrote:
That's partly why I don't see your post as a bussing gambit.Litral wrote:
Uh, if I were scum and that was a gambit, then most likely either you or GnKoichi is my scumbuddy.StrangerCoug wrote:
Acting scummy on purpose does not necessarily make a player a jester—it could also be legitimate scum trying to get bussed as a gambit of some sort. I don't see either, but #162 is heavily noted. As in on 10,000 pieces of paper.Litral wrote:StrangerCoug, GnKoichi said that I was attacking a pro-town post after saying that it was a pro-town post. That implies that I was being scummy consciously. Doesn't that make me look like a jester?
Since you're not actually offering an alternative?Acting scummy on purpose does not necessarily make a player a jester—it could also be legitimate scum trying to get bussed as a gambit of some sort.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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This makes absolutely no sense to me. As GnKoichi said, you and Lowell opted to vote a lurker in favor of asking the mod to prod him and analyzing the people actually posting content at the time. I rarely like lurker lynches as the mod will replace the lurker if it gets out of hand. Again, Numberfourteen could have had issues that prevented him from posting, and your failure to account for any that might exist is what drove me to vote you.Litral wrote:I'm saying that hispostwas scummy, but I have no idea whether theopinioncontained inside the post is scummy. The opinion and the post itself are two different things. Why? Because hispost, besides hisopinion, also contains other information: an important one is thesituationunder which it was made. The situation is that two people voted him for lurking and he immediately comes out with an opinion that should have been expressed earlier if he was pro-town. This is the sort of thing scum more often do than town, which is why I kept the vote on him.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I believe I mentioned a scum gambit before Litral did, even though I didn't believe him to be committing one either.Yosarian2 wrote:The whole thing looks...off. Not a "Scum gambit", exactally, like you claimed in your defense.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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EBWOP: And you forgot to unvote Empking's Alt before voting Litral.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Why are you attacking Litral if you think he actually is a jester?Vino wrote:A Brief History of Litral:
Random vote on Empking, makes a joke about starting a bandwagon
Attacked by Honcho and SSK.
Makes a snarky comment about the previous vote
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Attacked by Yosarian2
And now attacked by me.
I think jester is a very high likelihood for Litral, which is why I'm not voting him. His remarks read more to me of jester than blundering scum.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Vino wrote:I'm also not liking #201.FoS: Vinofor coming off here as not wanting Litral to talk about his refusal to unvote Numberfourteen.
The vote at #199 is the only thing keeping me from seeing a strong Litral/Vino connection, and I actually like the reasoning for the vote.
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I won't.roflcopter wrote:
don't let the desperate late distancing fool youStrangerCoug wrote:The vote at #199 is the only thing keeping me from seeing a strong Litral/Vino connection, and I actually like the reasoning for the vote.
Maybe three days, as three hours is not a lot of time on this site. Now, if you're playing meatworld Mafia or a ridiculously long IRC game...Litral wrote:
1) Actually, yes, it WOULD be less scummy if he did not respond and we discovered that he simply wasn't here (although I am of course not suggesting that one should do so); but all evidence points to him lurking while reading. He postedGnKoichi wrote:Coug's on to the heart of it here. The original sin in this line of problems is your vote against a lurker when there had been no attempt to get him involved before hand. He got a little lost in the shuffle, which is understandable with the confusing arguments that were going on. When he DID get involved, you say it's bad timing. Would it have been LESS scummy for him to not respond at all and let himself get replaced? Once you voted for him, what WOULDN'T have been scummy in your eyes?three hoursafter Lowell voted him - if that isn't suspicious timing, what is it?
No it is not.Litral wrote:Oh, and claiming to be lost is also a scumtell.
We should still not resort to lurker lynching on Day 1.Litral wrote:
I see two arguments here against my vote for Numberfourteen, and my later comment that it should stay.StrangerCoug wrote:
This makes absolutely no sense to me. As GnKoichi said, you and Lowell opted to vote a lurker in favor of asking the mod to prod him and analyzing the people actually posting content at the time. I rarely like lurker lynches as the mod will replace the lurker if it gets out of hand. Again, Numberfourteen could have had issues that prevented him from posting, and your failure to account for any that might exist is what drove me to vote you.Litral wrote:I'm saying that hispostwas scummy, but I have no idea whether theopinioncontained inside the post is scummy. The opinion and the post itself are two different things. Why? Because hispost, besides hisopinion, also contains other information: an important one is thesituationunder which it was made. The situation is that two people voted him for lurking and he immediately comes out with an opinion that should have been expressed earlier if he was pro-town. This is the sort of thing scum more often do than town, which is why I kept the vote on him.
1) Lurker lynches are bad.
-- That is entirely debatable. Lurking itself is a scumtell. Even if replaced, the suspicion stays. I'm pretty sure a lot of people agree that voting lurkers make sense if no strong suspicions exist.
OK, have you checked to see if he's posted elsewhere on this site? Is there a pattern as to what times he posts? To give some examples:Litral wrote:2) I did not take into consideration any issues that prevented Numberfourteen from posting.
-- What are the chances that Numberfourteen had issues that prevented him from posting, which were resolved exactly three hours after Lowell had posted - which, I might say, have once again appeared, since he's not posting any more? Extremely small.- Enough players on this site have less time over the weekend than during the week for some moderators (e.g. somestrangeflea) to count the weekend as one day in terms of when they issue prods.
- For a few months, I had less time on Tuesdays and Thursdays because I don't drive and I had to take buses to a college campus on the opposite side of town from where I live.
Yes, but read Yosarian2's #184 regarding voting lurkers.Litral wrote:Okay, to anyone who's voting me, I'd like to ask you two questions.
1) Is a lurker who posts only under pressure suspicious?
I don't see much evidence for this. See above, though.Litral wrote:2) Is Numberfourteen a lurker who posts only under pressure?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I believe the mason claim at #215 for now, and I also don't believe that everybody in the mason group Lowell speaks of is likely to be town given its claimed size.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Oops. Thought #200 was #201. That's what I get for posting on another forum where the topic starter is post #1 and not post #0.Vino wrote:This game is moving a lot faster than I am used to.
What? When/how did I do that? What's it have to do with that quote?StrangerCoug wrote:Vino wrote:I'm also not liking #201.FoS: Vinofor coming off here as not wanting Litral to talk about his refusal to unvote Numberfourteen.
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I have seen Litral act scummy as town, but if I recall correctly, not this scummy. While GnKoichi's statement is not your standard everyday declaration of confindence of scumminess, I don't think what the latter said is very scummy if at all. The defense at #236 is very understandable.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Why is it that every time I'm in a game with a mason group, somebody claims mason buddies? It's just sickening.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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All pro-town thoughts about Yosarian2 have committed suicide, but I don't approve of Penguins of the Serengeti outing him either.FoSon them both until my sanity recovers.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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*barfs*Vino wrote:I actually don't care who the masons are. Like I said it doesn't matter to me, half of them are scum anyways, and the scum already know or will know shortly who they are, so town might as well know too.
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Uhh, Vino, you're still implying that you know who at least one of the scum in the mason group are.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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In my game, the scum were allowed to talk before Day 1 started; this has also usually held for when I myself was scum.Vino wrote:Coug, I don't see where I implied anything like that. My understanding of the rules are lacking as there was no beginning night phase, so I am not sure if scum were allowed to talk before the game or no. If yes, and there is a scum in the masons, then all of the scum already know all of the masons. If no, then they will as soon as N1 begins. This means scum know or will soon know all of the masons. Isn't there no sense in keeping that info from the town if scum already know it?
We have four claimed masons: two directly, one outed, and one speculated on given connections. You said half the mason group was scum, so unless you can prove that there being more than one scum mason is merely an educated guess, I'm treating it as knowledge you know as scum yourself.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Is there anything important to read since the start of page 12 besides Penguins of the Serengeti, Vino, and Yosarian2 clawing at each other? You guys posted a lot since I last checked, and I can't comprehend what exactly is going on right now.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Right now I want to hurt Penguins of the Serengeti. Outing the entire mason group because you think some of them are scum trying to bus each other? Since when was that fair for the town-aligned masons?
Major HoS: Penguins of the Serengeti. I agree that Litral's obvscum comments about the jester and all are being ignored, which is why I'm leaving my vote on him.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Right now I'm betting good money on at least two of those two players, Penguins of the Serengeti, and Yosarian2 being scum.roflcopter wrote:hmm
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This is a lame excuse for a counterargument. I have not calledPenguins of the Serengeti wrote:
Calling everything WIFOM is a great scum tactic. Oh but even saying that calling WIFOM is especially useful to the scum, is WIFOM.StrangerCoug wrote:Somebody prove that #356 isn't WIFOM.
SC is climbing the ladder on my scumlist.EVERYTHINGWIFOM; in fact, a Ctrl+F on my posts in isolation only reveals it once. Stop misrepresenting people by blowing things out of proportion.
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Penguins of the Serengeti has outed the entire mason group for no good reason and says I'm calling everything WIFOM when I've only called one post such. That's reason enough.GnKoichi wrote:This has degenerated into name calling. In the spirit of scum hunting, I think everyone should do a one paragraph summary of why they are voting the way they are. This should include quotes which support your analysis. Avoid emotional arguments, as I think they are dragging down the game right now. A quick reread of the player will likely help. I'll be doing the same thing tomorrow if I get a chance (packing for a move). If you're town, this shouldn't be a problem for you.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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FoS: roflcopterfor defending Penguins of the Serengeti (who needs to stop flailing) withargumentum ad hominem.
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I'm seeing a very strong link between roflcopter and Penguins of the Serengeti, and they both need to get real or die. If we have a vig and one of those people get lynched, I want him or her to target the other.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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*plugs ears and sings* Oh say, can you see by the dawn's early light...roflcopter wrote:
megascumpostStrangerCoug wrote:I'm seeing a very strong link between roflcopter and Penguins of the Serengeti, and they both need to get real or die. If we have a vig and one of those people get lynched, I want him or her to target the other.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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That's why I said "if we have a vig". While whether directing one is a good idea is open to debate, I don't think it's scummy in and of itself to do so as long as the player directed to is selected for a good reason.Vino wrote:
Directing other players, not cool. Nobody's mentioned a vig so far.StrangerCoug wrote:If we have a vig and one of those people get lynched, I want him or her to target the other.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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That is the implication, yes. However, it is only scummy if I claim contradictory to what I imply in this post. I have not claimed yet, and I'm nowhere near that point.alvinz95 wrote:StrangerCoug is being his normal self except for THIS POST which is totally dumb and scummy:
Basically you're saying you aren't a vig also.StrangerCoug wrote:I'm seeing a very strong link between roflcopter and Penguins of the Serengeti, and they both need to get real or die. If we have a vig and one of those people get lynched, I want him or her to target the other.
Yeah, right. Most of his recent contributions, as are yours, are OMGUS attacks. In addition, other games are irrelevant to this one as far as tells are concerned.Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:Copter is not acting anti-town at all. Where do you get this? He's expressing opinions, sticking his neck out, and moving things along. He doesn't hurt every game he's in, that's total and utter rubbish.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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Damn it, that's what I get for being so sure of a scumpair. He is unnecessarily defensive of Penguins of the Serengeti, however, which is where I might be getting that from.Yosarian2 wrote:
Um...what? Most of his posts have either been attacking me (not OMGUS) or attacking Vino (not OMGUS), or attacking Literl (not OMGUS). So, again...what?StrangerCoug wrote:
Yeah, right. Most of his recent contributions, as are yours, are OMGUS attacks. In addition, other games are irrelevant to this one as far as tells are concerned.Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:Copter is not acting anti-town at all. Where do you get this? He's expressing opinions, sticking his neck out, and moving things along. He doesn't hurt every game he's in, that's total and utter rubbish.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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I find it interesting that roflcopter is unwilling to vote me seemingly because he knows he's got practically nothing to back it up with, yet he got MafiaSSK to do so. What is the case on me?STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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That doesn't answer my question.roflcopter wrote:
well thats a hell of a mischaracterization. i'm unwilling to vote you because my vote is doing a hell of a lot more good on a wagon than it would be alone on you.StrangerCoug wrote:I find it interesting that roflcopter is unwilling to vote me seemingly because he knows he's got practically nothing to back it up with, yet he got MafiaSSK to do so. What is the case on me?
Coaching for the lose.Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:
According to some people in this game, you are displaying anti-town behavior with this post. They'll let it slide, though, because you don't make the scum as nervous as I do.MafiaSSK wrote:Vino: I'm just getting scum vibes from SC.
You're one person away from having half the game in your scum list, which goes to show you either don't know how to scumhunt or don't really care about scumhunting.Penguins of the Serengeti wrote:REVISED SCUMLIST: KoCydonia, Litral, Numberfourteen, Yosarian, Vino, orangepenguin and StrangerCoug.STRANGERCOUG: Stranger Than You!
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