You didn't say hi.
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Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Just want to say that we're out of RVS already. Do you have anything you want to say about the game?RayFrost wrote:ugh... 3 pages while I'm asleep. Not cool guys.
Vote: Incognito
You didn't say hi.
I recall that game, if you mean my first IC game. Do you also recall the details surrounding it? I was in ~5 other games, at the height of my being burnt out, and it also approximately preceded my taking a vacation from mafia for two months.Seraphim wrote:\Unvote
Vote: RayFrost
I suspect one of RayFrost/SSBF is scum. They are not scum together. RayFrost's play in this game reminds me of his play in another game where I replaced him as scum(you left me quite a shitload which I got lynched for if I recall). SSBF, on the other hand, seems rather forceful with his wording and seems to enjoy being helpful without being helpful, such as his time storage idea in his fifth post, information instead of analysis. Or rather, analysis without actual meaning.
Of the two, I will vote RayFrost for now because of my experience with his play.
Blegh, this is a style choice more than scum or not.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:By the time you've made your first post, RVS was already finished up and we were finally getting something to work on. All you needed to say was that you were catching up and that would be good enough as long as you actually come through with contents.RayFrost wrote:You being out of the RVS doesn't mean I am prohibited from my random vote.
So... "aside from the other things he's said, he's only said this" - really great argument here. I'm just blown away by your genius. Care to point out which reck post? If you are talking about the only one I've commented on, it cameDemonHybrid wrote: First bolded quote: Notice how I said otherwise. Spyre said I was stretching on my vote of SSBF, and my vote of SSBF was due to the Reck post.
And sure, he talked about how we should spend our time, but that post isn't really relevant to the scumminess of people nor who should vote who. It was merely a suggestion of how to use a minor mechanic of the game, so I didn't really consider it important.
Also: I never said that he's scummy ONLY because he's talking about those things and only those things. You're warping my words around a bit.
I didn't miss it. Your otherwise was in your first post in which you- bah, reread your post... I was reading it wrong. I blame having just woken up.DemonHybrid wrote:
First bold: Logical clarification: I didn't say that he was scummy because and only because he was only talking about the MPR wagon and dictating RVS votes. Again, you missed the word "otherwise".
It's not word twisting, it's misunderstanding. Learn the difference. "due to the reck post" was read (by me) as "due to the post made by reck" rather than "due to SSBF's post regarding reck" - can you see the room for misinterpretation here, now that I've made it obvious?hybrid wrote:Second bold: I'm talking about when SSBF was speculating on Reck, not any of Reck's posts. This one:
Read again: "and my vote of SSBF was due tothe Reck post." More word twisting.
1. could not the same be for SSBF?DH wrote:Third bold: Dude, my last post before that was when I asked MPR about the contradiction. First things first; I have a life and I do things, plus I'm in 4 other games, so I don't keep up fully with every post all the time. Second, SSBF hardly had any pressure on him whatsoever when I casted my vote. In fact, he has more pressure now than he's ever had before. Point out where pressure was building on him before I made my vote on him.
It was a joke, man. Why so serious?xRECKONERx wrote:No, you don't, because I'm confirmedtown and pushing the lynch of confirmedtown is seriously a stupid idea.RayFrost wrote:If you do that, I reserve all rights to push for your death, mmmkay?xRECKONERx wrote:It feels pretty grande, actually.
Of course, it's probably bad, because this will encourage to play as shitty as possible and not give a fuck since I'm conf-town.
I lie attacking things.Socrates wrote:Ray and Demon butting heads like this is remarkable as they are both voting for SSBF still.
How likely do you consider each other to be scum? Has this effected your read of SSBF?
It wasn't a defense of your actions. It was pointed a failure in Demon's attack. I would've thought you had learned the difference by now.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Considered me surprised that RayFrost actually defended my actions in #98. But I don't have a soft-spot for this, especially since it doesn't really make much sense that he is defending some of my actions, yet is voting me at the same time. Definently will keep a closer eye on him.
1. That's semantics. If something "screams wrongness" it means I dislike it. Would you prefer that I slightly altered it to say "the majority of this post screams wrongness" instead?SSBF wrote:1. Wait a minute. You said that this entire post contained of wrongness, yet you said my response to socrates on my vote was fine. That indicates that not everything about my post is wrong, these two things kind of contradict each other.RayFrost wrote:This entire post scream wrongness to me.The first 3/4 of the post is pretty much stating the obvious on not lynching immediately and not waiting until deadline. The whole 29% thing isn't very helpful either... seriously. It's an empty post up top.His response to socrates on his vote was fine, but his comment about MPR seems like a lot of stretching.
Defense below:
2- Point me to one person before that post about the bankable days who suggested that webothdo not lynch as soon as possible and not wait until deadline. I honestly doubt that was super obvious to everyone.
3- About the 29% thing, lynching when we have around 29% of the deadline left will give town more days to find scums overall, leaving more room to scum hunt and less rooms for mistakes.
4- How is my comment regarding MehPlusRawr streching? I was responding directly to that post and expressing that I didn't like the post at all.
His post doesn't display a worry about his wagon past it being on him - MPR's PoV would be that he was town, so wanting a wagon on somebody else is a natural follow through regardless of how concerned one was about the wagon.Super Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Why is he concerned about a bandwagon that isn't even based on him being scummy? It's not like we're planning on lynching him yet.MehPlusRawr wrote:Oh, hey, I don't feel like shouting. Let's wagon someone else. I have a feeling this MPR dude is town.
S[mashing]S[low]B[ro]F[ist] wrote:Exactly why do you think that I was skimming DemonHybrid's post? I was responding to the same quotes, but wanted to look at it more.RayFrost wrote:This looks like not reading hybrid's posts - it can be seen that hybrid said that he's concerned/worried about being lynched
When hybrid had quite clearly stated that MPR wasSuper Smash Bros. Fan wrote:Did we ever say that you were concerned about being lynched? The best I could find was that you were concerned over a RVS bandwagon. Also, I'm not sure how the "Let's wagon someone else!" comment was related to commenting on you being the closest to being lynched. I think you're overreacting on the situation.MehPlusRawr wrote:And no, I'm not *concerned* that I'll be lynched, as such. I figured that I should comment on the fact that I'm the closest to dying as of yet.
First bit: accidental hammers can happen from people not knowing the vote count as well (and has happened outside of newbie games that I've been in). Scum that quickhammer will have a lot of heat on themSSBF wrote:Usually, accidental quick hammers happen within newbie games or intentional scum quick hammers. These put a lot of heat on the scum if they intentionally did it and they are usually lynched without hesistation. Sure there are exceptions to the rule, but considering nearly everyone here has some form of experience with Mafia, I honestly doubt people would be stupid enough to quick hammer.RayFrost wrote:I beg to differ on the first point - it's happened in the past... even in games I'm in. Second quote - two people can read the same thing and get something different out of it, your post implies the bandwagon will lead to a lynching, which would be the concern about the bandwagon in of itself (which I think is what MPR read as well)
As for the second point, I did not imply that a bandwagon automatically leads to a lynch. I understand that bandwagons =/= lynches. If I did say that MehPlusRawr was concerned about being lynched, I would have said that he was concerned about being lynched.
Vezok has five posts that are completely useless (or four if you want to count the vote as useful... somehow), so what makes nacho scummier from your PoV over vezok?MehPlusRawr wrote:My usual "gut glance over the playerlist" tells me that Nacho's scum(miest). Attempting to explain why is harder. Anyways. Nacho only has 4 posts, all of which are completely useless.Incognito wrote:@MehPlusRawr:
Who's scum? Your wagon's gone, so you can't use "I WAS BUSY DEFENDING MYSELF" as an excuse for not producing reads. Your vote's still on SpyreX, and you haven't really commented on people's alignments. So do so.
SSBF and DH are both really hard to read, and they're usually pretty good vigshots.
Didn't know I still had my RVS vote. Whoops.
Unvote, vote: Nacho
Actually, the redirection doesn't count as a target, and the mafioso that does it is not vannilia'ed. I talked with hoopla about it when I signed up.xRECKONERx wrote:Scum will certainly try to redirect people to me, but that would involve targeting me, which involves them losing their redirector, Korts.
Seriously, me dying is a stupid idea.
RayFrost wrote:Actually, the redirection doesn't count as a target, and the mafioso that does it is not vannilia'ed. I talked with hoopla about it when I signed up.xRECKONERx wrote:Scum will certainly try to redirect people to me, but that would involve targeting me, which involves them losing their redirector, Korts.
Seriously, me dying is a stupid idea.
This post and this post are making me queasy.SpyreX wrote:Seriously SSBF isn't getting lynched without a CC. So, don't him and haw if its the truth and do it. POWER TO THE PEOPLE.
(Double hint if there is a CC and the CC is scum don't, DONT take that vig shot. Its an Ackbarian trap).
As for Vezok:
Just look at those first posts. Look at the after the fact. Then look at the nothing and lo and behold he's there to ask for the CC and give no input.
How about a deal, then?SpyreX wrote:Because I don't feel like fighting that fight right now - Sera isn't a bastion of town I'm going to put on the armor and go to war for.
I'd much, MUCH rather lynch vezo and I still want answers from the jumpers but even moreso I want the game to progress forward.
:goodposting:Fate wrote:vezokpiraka wrote:That is a good idea thinking about it. Because you get the days added to the new deadline.
Although I stil don't want to be lynched.Unvote:
Vote: Vezok
Yeah two claims a day is good.
I like RayFrost when he's talkin sense
Bull. Shit.SpyreX wrote:I was wrong. A lot yesterday. And I was vocal about it AND I'm really not going to fight this too much ESPECIALLY since until you see my flip NO ONE is going to take this serious.
Rayfrost is scum.
Why is he scum? Real simple. Sera wasn't an accident. Sera got daycopped. Rayknewthat running Sera up would reveal another PR and took the power hammer because it was going to become apparent.
So, check that early wagon. That wasn't an accidental push on Sera. It was a scum one.
Seraphim - 2 (Korts, Jack). That's not a bad place to look.
Unvote, Vote: Rayfrost