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I have been good. Getting older. Way older >.> However I am not quite prepared to put myself on the same tier as you IC-wise. xD I remember that one game....the Large Normal. *shivers*Albert B. Rampage wrote:Awww Darla....!
How have you been? We are even ICing together all of a sudden. So pleasent
lol.Final Fires wrote:Unvote: Yosari
Actually, now that I think about it, killing him off might not be such a good idea. (I assume) if he remains inactive he'll eventually be modkilled - lynching him would be a waste of our execution. And even if he's not modkilled, he won't be using any of his powers. As it is, he'll just have no influence on the game, and he's not worth killing off.
In a game of this size, is it safe to assume that there are about 3 mafia, give or take? I think it's pretty suspicious that three people have voted for him, without a lot of reasoning, while everyone else has just voted randomly. This is my first mafia game on this board, so I'm not sure how communication works between the mafia here. I've looked into a few other games here and it seems like suspicion is always cast on those people who try to draw out the first day - although I admit I don't completely understand why.
People who voted for Yos: Albert, Whiskey, Darla, and Me
People who haven't posted yet: Brokenscraps, Yosarian2
Now, I can promise you guys that I'm not scum, and I wouldn't bring up this point and cast suspicion on myself if I was. So if we eliminate my name from that list of yos. Both of those lists seem like they might be viable as the teams of mafia. Here's what I propose we do. Tonight we vote off one person who voted for yos - if they're innocent, let the other two go. If they're scum, pick off the other two. If tonight's execution is an innocent, then we move on to the next list of people. Rinse, lather, repeat.
Like I said earlier though, this is my first game of mafia here and I could've made a huge logical fallicy somewhere. But as of now, it seems like that's the best lead that we've got. If anyone else has a better idea, or the people who voted for Yos have a good explanation, I would be glad to change my vote.
Vote: Albert
MoreWhisky wrote:Two of you asked this.Bub Bidderskins wrote:And last but not least...
What is this supposed to mean?MoreWhisky wrote:That bought out the scummy behaviour, my vote on Yos stands.
I brought out alot of the newbie behaviour (post61) that ender was doing , which 2 of you have agreed he was making, but ended the post saying im sure hes just a newbie but most probaly town. Yos jumped on the points i made trying, i believe, to start a BW . Having already marked down Yos as scum , hence my already vote on him, i made this comment.
So far I am not getting incredibly strong OMGSCUM vibes from anybody, but I have a good deal of suspicion building on Whiskey in these last few posts.Bub Bidderskins wrote:empking wrote:11. Yosarian2(2)- MoreWhiskyMod: You may want to fix that.
Darla once again shows that she is willing to point out scummy behavior but not willing to act on her observations. That non-commitant conservative play indicates scum to me.
@Darla: If you don't really think that ender is scummy, then who do you think is scummy at this point?
@ender: What was it about rekirtS' post that made you want to revote Final Fires?
rekirtS wrote:Like who? You can't just throw out comments like this! Who do you feel could be scum on his wagon? Maybe you were gonna give more if not on your phone but who do you feel is scummy on that wagon?DarlaBlueEyes wrote:My guess is that we have at least one if not two scum on that wagon because he's made himself the perfect target for a scum push.
Furthermore the only person who you do name as suspicious is Albie, who wasn't even on the ender lynch! (not that I disagree he needs to post more material).
Okay, seriously I don't understand this post. Maybe it's just a communication problem here but why exactly is it usually okay to question another player's actions (scum hunting) but when I do it it's simply deflecting? Please prove this to me. Point it out if you're going to make such grand accusations. If you want people to sheep your opinion or bandwagon on me or any other lynch canidate you have got to make a better case than that.MoreWhisky wrote:DarlaBlueEyes wrote:sorry guys on phone here, gonna try to get to what I can see
@DLG - My stance on ender is simply Meta. The other game we participated in he acted exactly the same, blatant scum moves, and ended up we killed our doc due to other factors which I don't want to elaborate on due to the game being on going. If you want to see it yourself it's Newbie #1045. I am not disregarding his actions but I know this is how he plays as town, and granted I haven't seen him as scum either, I honestly just see him as a n00b and do not like his wagon. My guess is that we have at least one if not two scum on that wagon because he's made himself the perfect target for a scum push. As for Fires I don't know, I just get a noob vibes off him. Between he and ender I'd be more inclined to do an ender lynch, but again, I would need something more blatant from him to make me think he wasn't actually town given the meta I have.
Whiskey - thank you for elaborating and to everyone jumping on me for using a vote to get that answer out of him, pardon me if I felt that something needed to be done to get his attention since he ignored me twice![]()
unvote
I am still not sure what Whiskey sees as so scummy about Yos, and not Bob / Jahudo who're also on the ender wagon, but it's worthy of a look back at Yos' posts for me. Maybe he's seeing something I'm not, (although it'd be helpful if he articulated it more clearly if he is town.)
Right now I'd like to see more from Albie. So far his posts have been primarily fluff, o/t or one or two lines.
more coming when i am not on my phone. and apologies if autocorrect did anything wonky in this post, no time to check it.
I really dont like this post you seem to be all over that place finding someone to pin the scum tag on. I also dont like how u ask someone a question about there actions on other players, normally this is sort of ok but here im sure this is another tactic to deflect the chat from you.
And whats all this phone business? we all have stuff to do. have some more time on the phonevote Darla
He mentions 3 people, and then votes rekirts after not mentioning him at all? wtf?Nikanor wrote:I voted for Jahudo because he's such a cool guy! DLG gets scumpoints for pointing out my lurking.
Unvote.
Striker's posting isn't making me feel too good.
Vote: rekirtS.
RVS - nothing specialrekirtS wrote:/confirm
Hi all, haven't played a game with any of you.
Vote: Flinterwee.
Second post, nothing too worrisome except his certainty that Fires is town without much elaborationrekirtS wrote:Thank you I was wondereing where I pulled that name from.Jahudo wrote:I just noticed that Empking's signup page had 15 people /in, the #9 slot was used twice. So somehow that meant Flinter is not in the game even though she did /in?
Like any other RVS vote? What other info could you gain from my vote?DLG wrote:Yep, that is strange. I don't know what to make of rekirtS vote even more, now.
Vote: Ender241
FinalFires is obviously noob.
Third post directed @ Ender who revoted right after. Possible leading? Maybe.rekirtS wrote:Why haven't you revoted him if hes not in any danger of getting lynched? Hmmm...?
Sheeping a vote on me based on Bud's points and his uncomfortableness with me which he has made NO MENTION OF whatsoever so far.rekirtS wrote:Mr. Bub brings up a very good observation. I had been uncomfortable with Darla's reasoning about Ender, and missed that he did the exact same thing about Final.
Unvote; Vote: DarlaBlueEyes
Next post, pointless but I am being fair and including everything in the iso.rekirtS wrote:^^^ She not he, my bad.
Criticizing my ScumHunting without doing any scum hunting of his own whatsoever.rekirtS wrote:Townie points for you, at first I was a little suspicious of you but I've found myself agreeing with these last two points. DarlaBlueEyes was definately wishy woshy.DLG wrote:VOTE: DarlaBlueEyes
DarlaBlueEyes's stance on ender241 is extremely wishy-washy. She has not provided reason for pushing the Final Fires wagon without being willing to vote. She used MoreWhisky's not answering her question as reason to vote him, but did not find bobsnox doing the same thing even worth noting.
I think Bub Bidderskins and rekirtS are on the right track.
Wait so you're only voting until you get an answer? For someone who initially hadn't voted yet on either of her two scummy vibes but shes voting because Whiskey missed a question?DarlaBlueEyes wrote:I am still not happy with Whiskey's explanation - he seems to be avoiding actually answering for what he said, and completely ignored my post.
@Whiskey please answer this post: #77
Until you do,Vote Whiskey- answers please.
Lynch this scummy scum.
rekirtS wrote:Like who? You can't just throw out comments like this! Who do you feel could be scum on his wagon? Maybe you were gonna give more if not on your phone but who do you feel is scummy on that wagon?DarlaBlueEyes wrote:My guess is that we have at least one if not two scum on that wagon because he's made himself the perfect target for a scum push.
Furthermore the only person who you do name as suspicious is Albie, who wasn't even on the ender lynch! (not that I disagree he needs to post more material).
Hypocrite alert. He's claiming his originality and scum-hunting based on one single post of his questiong me for scum hunting, and acting as if he has been doing so all along when his ISO clearly states otherwise. Also. My name is DARLA!!!!!!1111rekirtS wrote:Oops good thing you quoted me Broken, I went back and saw DLG had said DarkBlueEyes was wishy woshy with her stance on Ender, rather than her first vote on Whiskey which is what I found wishy-woshy. Oops.
Original thoughts? Although not until after my vote... later on I said "Wait so you're only voting until you get an answer? For someone who initially hadn't voted yet on either of her two scummy vibes but shes voting because Whiskey missed a question?", which seems original enough.
You have absolutely no other thoughts on Dark though? Just 'meh' and 'ehhh... don't know'. NOTHING?
and his last post, can't complain too much about this seeing as how I had the same questions.rekirtS wrote:Doesn't make you feel good? lol. examples?Nikanor wrote:I voted for Jahudo because he's such a cool guy! DLG gets scumpoints for pointing out my lurking.
Unvote.
Striker's posting isn't making me feel too good.
Vote: rekirtS.
RVS - Nothing special hereMoreWhisky wrote:Hi everyone![]()
vote Yosarian2lets get rid of any potential multis
His only real reaction to the FF post of doom. Notice his suspicion.MoreWhisky wrote:Final fires you got to laugh how your reasoning has everyone apart from you who voted for Yos as most probaly the scum, we just started. If the game was a bit older you would have my vote for that.
And here we go, next post, just a few down, and he's suddenly on Fire's side - trying to end and call scum on Jah investingating a legitimate possible scumslip on Fires' partMoreWhisky wrote:I find Fires reason for his earlier post about the voters on Yos believable, it is day one and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.
Reading between the lines of Jahudos last post I actually find him more scummy for trying to keep the discussion on Fires going, especially after his earlier post he said he wasnt getting a scummy vibe of Fires.
I have nothing bad to say about this post. Legitimate scum hunting. Good on you.MoreWhisky wrote:Ender i dont understand you behaviour , who is the nOOb? You started with,
then straight away unvoted because he was a newbie which was one of the reasons u voted for himender241 wrote:I'm going to VOTE: FinalFires this is because the "powerful townie" hint suggests to me that he's making people not want to vote him just incase he's a power role something mafia would do at the moment. The noob trick isn't a good sign either, everyone is told that if they've never done a mafia game to do a noob game and he plays like he knows what to do.
Then tried explaining away the action by the new excuse of saying u thought it 5 votesender241 wrote:UNVOTE: Finalfires It's way to early to lynch so i'm going to unvote just incase he is a newbie.
Then under pressure voted againender241 wrote:Fair does, sorry i got used to the 5 to lynch idea.
Now i dont think these are major scum tells , but to quote ''the noob trick isn't a good sign either'' you will alienate other players and pick up votes.ender241 wrote:Why? Because i realised he was on 4 votes and thought it was too early for a lynch and unvoted...
Here's where it gets hazy. This post prompted my questioning of him. Which was ignored until I voted for him. In the meantime we got these:MoreWhisky wrote:That bought out the scummy behaviour, my vote on Yos stands.
I questioned this again, asking how he had already decided Yos was scum based on an RVS vote and no other mention of him - still I get no answer. The vote comes in here.MoreWhisky wrote:Two of you asked this.Bub Bidderskins wrote:And last but not least...
What is this supposed to mean?MoreWhisky wrote:That bought out the scummy behaviour, my vote on Yos stands.
I brought out alot of the newbie behaviour (post61) that ender was doing , which 2 of you have agreed he was making, but ended the post saying im sure hes just a newbie but most probaly town. Yos jumped on the points i made trying, i believe, to start a BW . Having already marked down Yos as scum , hence my already vote on him, i made this comment.
Here I don't even know. He's agreeing with the person he's decided is scum that another person is acting scummy (but newbier than scum) and does nothing more than agree. He casts no suspicion on the fact that the person he's sure is scum is someone he's now agreeing with.MoreWhisky wrote:I totally agree with you saying Ender is more bothered with his apperence, but i see that more of a newbie act than scum. I suspose we will eventually find out whos right.Yosarian2 wrote:My analysis of ender's behavior, and my vote for him, had nothing to do with your post at all. I don't agree that ender's behavior is just "newbie behavior"; Fire's stuff just looks like newbie behavior to me, but Ender looks actaully scummy, in that he was willing to have his vote be determined by pressure from others; he seems more concerned about his appearence then about finding scum with his vote, which is scummy.MoreWhisky wrote: I brought out alot of the newbie behaviour (post61) that ender was doing , which 2 of you have agreed he was making, but ended the post saying im sure hes just a newbie but most probaly town. Yos jumped on the points i made trying, i believe, to start a BW .
Finally he addresses my questions, he 'spent time explaining how ender was NOT scum even though he was acting scummy, and ZOMG! Yos came and used his OWN brain instead of sheeping Whiskey and voted on ender so obv, Yos=Scum here in Whiskey's logic. I don't like the logic but unvoted since my entire purpose was to get him to actually EXPLAIN himself.MoreWhisky wrote:As i pointed out with my long post quoting ender i believe hes just a newbie town (which i might add so do you Darla post 64). After i spent time explaining this Yos comes on next and votes ender for being being scum. I actually thought this made him scummy as i thought my explanation over ender behaviour was pretty accurate, hence my next post calling Yos for posting AT THAT TIME scummy.
My initial vote for Yos on page one was a start of game joke vote, thats why i put my vote stands on post 63.
I really hope ive answered satisfactory Darla
This post is just ugh. He's inferring things into my post which are not there (I have defended this on the previous page) he calls me scum for scumhunting and questioning the play of others, and then begins the phone-fiasco of him using the fact that I was on from my phone as me being scum. (There is a chance as pointed out this was a misunderstanding, either way it's still a ridiculous thing to use as proof of scumminess)MoreWhisky wrote:DarlaBlueEyes wrote:sorry guys on phone here, gonna try to get to what I can see
@DLG - My stance on ender is simply Meta. The other game we participated in he acted exactly the same, blatant scum moves, and ended up we killed our doc due to other factors which I don't want to elaborate on due to the game being on going. If you want to see it yourself it's Newbie #1045. I am not disregarding his actions but I know this is how he plays as town, and granted I haven't seen him as scum either, I honestly just see him as a n00b and do not like his wagon. My guess is that we have at least one if not two scum on that wagon because he's made himself the perfect target for a scum push. As for Fires I don't know, I just get a noob vibes off him. Between he and ender I'd be more inclined to do an ender lynch, but again, I would need something more blatant from him to make me think he wasn't actually town given the meta I have.
Whiskey - thank you for elaborating and to everyone jumping on me for using a vote to get that answer out of him, pardon me if I felt that something needed to be done to get his attention since he ignored me twice![]()
unvote
I am still not sure what Whiskey sees as so scummy about Yos, and not Bob / Jahudo who're also on the ender wagon, but it's worthy of a look back at Yos' posts for me. Maybe he's seeing something I'm not, (although it'd be helpful if he articulated it more clearly if he is town.)
Right now I'd like to see more from Albie. So far his posts have been primarily fluff, o/t or one or two lines.
more coming when i am not on my phone. and apologies if autocorrect did anything wonky in this post, no time to check it.
I really dont like this post you seem to be all over that place finding someone to pin the scum tag on. I also dont like how u ask someone a question about there actions on other players, normally this is sort of ok but here im sure this is another tactic to deflect the chat from you.
And whats all this phone business? we all have stuff to do. have some more time on the phonevote Darla
Again with the OMG PHONE = SCUM logicMoreWhisky wrote:Darla , you brought up 'personal hindrances' ie the phone so of course im allowed to use that anyway i want, you posted it. The point i was making was i couldn understand why u mentioned it. To add a personal touch to your post ? maybe, but more likely just to add more scummy flim flam.
Ditto above.MoreWhisky wrote:DarlaBlueEyes wrote:forgot:
vote Nikanor
Edit: Ninja'd
@Whiskey You're seriously pulling at threads here. If someone announces they're V/LA for being sick will you use that a case against them as being scum too? Please understand the difference between comments made within the game and comments made to inform others of activity level changes no matter how great or small.
Come on.
Being sick and being on the phone are totally different.
Yes, I did. I answered you in my post which came before the big phone-gate fiasco. I can go and quote it if you need me to.rekirtS wrote:Darla you never answered my question you claimed that one or two mafia are probably on the Ender train any clue on who they could be?
I am not trying to scare Ender out of his vote. He can vote me if he wants, and FOS if me if his wants. That wont have any affect on my read of him. I would/will vote him if he continues to be more and more blatantly scummy outside of his newbie meta, and I was letting him know that while I had been letting it slip in a sense due to our previous game, I was not going to continue to do so if he kept being such a sheep.DLG wrote:For my part, it comes down to several things in combination.Yosarian2 wrote:Can someone who's on the wagon explain why you're voting for her again?
Plausible deniability posting in regards both Final Fires and ender241This was her final stance on the Final Fires early game wagon. The last part is the problem. It allows her to move either way without fear of contradicting herself. And, she can point back at this post to support whichever move is convenient.DarlaBlueEyes [i]re: Final Fires[/i] wrote:With his explanation I think I was wrong in my initial impression and Fires really is just a n00b who made a bad move, but I really see no reason to lynch him over it.Keep him on my scumdar? Yes. Lynch right away, no.This was her initial stance towards ender241. She has vacillated between a progressively scummier read on ender241 and not voting due to her recent experience in another game with ender241. Same problems here as with what she did with Final Fires.DarlaBlueEyes [i]re: ender241[/i] wrote:Knowing what I do about Ender's META coupled with what he's done so far here, I'd say he's suffering from uber-n00b syndrome even still. That or he really just is not good at this game. Either way, I was a bit unsure whether or not to take his actions as noob or super scummy and then he re-voted seemingly only out of pressure. Now I lean more towards scum.
FoS Ender.
I consider this as much more indicative of scum thinking than cautious town thinking.
Strong-arm play against ender241Aside from the bare fact of manipulating ender241 puposefully, I find the fact that DarlaBlueEyes did this for the specific purpose of scaring ender241 away from voting her to be scummy.DLG wrote:How can he OMGUSsing you if you didn't vote him and in fact were leaning more town in your read of him? That reads like a false attack to try to make ender241 look scummier to everyone else.DarlaBlueEyes wrote:@ender is that an OMGUS I see? I think it is. If you read what I said I wasn't calling you scum I said I was leaning towards scummy more than noob town after I saw you revote out of pressure. I still was not convinced enough to vote you however. It's a contextual thing, maybe I should have made that more clear. However the more you do these obvscum things, the less I feel like I can validate my lack of a vote on you based solely on meta.keep it up and I will vote you meta or not.DLG bolding
At the end, is trying to scare someone as demonstrably weak-willed as ender241 the act of a townie, or the act of a scum using fear as a weapon? I read it as the latter.
These have already been covered in the thread. Below is something that I find scummy that has not been covered.
Grasping at straws to shift the wagon off her onto someone elseNikanor has not provided anything real to agree with. This struck me as a desperate attempt to find someone, anyone to help build an alternative wagon.DarlaBluEyes wrote:Alright. As per your(Nikanor's)point I did an ISO of him(rekirtS).
In combination, these points add up to a strong scum read for me.
bobsnox wrote:add Final Fires to the grasping at straws group
how the heck does FF know my meta? I've played 2 games here and none with him.
I love the OMGUS votes I'm engendering as well. give scum an easy target and watch how fast they flock to the fresh blood.
my vote is confirmed
Bub Bidderskins wrote:Okay, I did a quick iso of bobsnox, and I found out that you would have to go at a snail's pase for an iso of him to be anything but quick. Of the 11 posts he made other than his confirm and random vote, only four contain enough content to fill up more than one line (content being defined generously here). One thing that struck me as really scummy was that he said this
And then just eight hours later says this:Bobsnox wrote:Darla and ender still strike me as scummy.
That's pathetic.Bobsnox wrote:Darla and Final Fires are scumbuddies. Calling it.
bobsnox wrote:but I'm not scum?so you're wasting your time pointing out a pathetic townie?bub wrote:I agree that bob looks really scummy if you assume that you are town. Since I do not hold that assumption, I do not feel that bobsnox is very scummy.
are you not voting me because you know I'm not scum and you're waiting for a wagon on me to build so you can hop on it?
FoS bub bidderskins
Scum always work themselves up over contribution and content.
You think Darla is scum, I think Darla is scummy. Let's lynch Darla.
---Bub Bidderskins wrote:If you coming to save me, then why are you voting for me to kill me? This apparant contradiction can only be the spawn of scum.Jahudo wrote:But...but... I still wanna confirm! /confirm
Now then,Obviously Bub Bidderskin's evil twin brother has disguised himself as Bub. Don't worry real Bub, we'll save you.6. Bob Bidderskin
Vote: Bub Bidderskin
Vote: Jahudo
This game's gonna be easy if the Mafia are stupid enough to have leaked their presence to the press!
---Bub Bidderskins wrote:vote: Final Fires
I get the feeling that he voted Yos and the he looked back on his vote and thought that it looked scummy, so he had to invent a BS reason to unvote.
But regardless of whether or not Final Fires is town, he did generate some interesting reactions...
Allow me to paraphrase: "No! We spent so much time laying down our scum-plans and now you have to go and ruin everything during the RVS!!!"Pomegranate 31 wrote:um, it's RVS, SO SHUT UP
Pom, why did you say that? You didn't give an opinion on Final Fires, you didn't tell how saying the things he did say was making him more scummy, not less, and you didn't ask him a question either, to try and get more info. It was totally pointless for game purposes, so why post?
Why hold back your vote? Only two people had voted for him and seven would be required for a lynch. Like pom's post, this comment is kind of pointless. "I think he's scummy, but I'll let everybody else do all the work. ho hum."DarlaBlueEyes wrote:Though I am getting scummy vibes off that entire post, I want a little more evidence before I throw in a vote and make a bandwagon. Though he's at the top of my list already.
He said this after giving some pointers to Final Fires. Jahudo, if you think that Final Fires is not scum, then what do you think of Pom and Darla?Jahudo 35 wrote:I'm not getting a scummy vibe off Final Fires right now. Trying to take the lead and be proactive comes across as a natural townie response, even if his suggestion of grouping people together and lynching based on that is really flimsy reasoning for lynching.
---Bub Bidderskins wrote:Do you have a reason for voting Jahudo?Nikanor wrote:Vote: Jahudo.
Don't worry Fires. I believe you.
At this stage, a vote on Yos to get a bandwagon going isn't scummy at all, but a long drawn out post (like yours) is pointless this early becacuse there is so little info to go on.Final Fires wrote:Wouldn't a long, drawn out post accusing others of being scum look much more scummy than simply voting for yos? My motives weren't to look 'less scummy', but instead point out an observation I made, for what I thought was a better vote.
If you view Final Fires as town, then does that make the people who vote for him scummier, even if just by a little bit?Pom wrote:Honestly, I simply meant to tell you to stop being so serious, and although it may have seemed hostile, it wasn't meant to be. I have a null-overeager-newb read on you ATM.
I should have asked him as well, but I missed him. Sorry, my bad.DLG wrote:@ Bub Bidderskins
Why did you point out what DarlaBlueEyes had done, but give no attention to MoreWhisky who had done basically the same thing?
Ender, wtf? Vote, unvote, vote. You shouldn't be scared to run somebody up if you think they're scum, but I get what you were saying with your unvote. I do not like your re-vote, however. That "happy now?" sounded like you just re-voted because somebody asked you to.
FOS: ender
Bub Bidderskins wrote:Even though ender looks scummy, Darla looks like scum.
unvote; vote DarlaBlueEyes
That's two back-to-back mini-wagons that she said "oh, he looks scummy, but I'm going to reserve my vote" that kind of hesitancy with her vote indicates scum to me. A townie wouldn't be afraid to vote for somebody he or she thinks is scum. Essentially, she said she approved of the wagons, but didn't get on them.