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Vote: SubSith. How can you be only half a Sith?My academy.
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^The first one there has been there for well over five minutes. Might we expect a wall? (It aint coming from the second one, ironically enough.)My academy.
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Totally. Dead serious, in fact.(unsure if his vote on SubzeroSith was random or not, just replaced in so he missed the RVS stage though)
SubSith's SO Scum. Seriously.My academy.
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Actually. SubSith was a townread. Hence scum. So you can vote SubSith.silverbullet999 wrote:mastin2 wrote:
Totally. Dead serious, in fact.(unsure if his vote on SubzeroSith was random or not, just replaced in so he missed the RVS stage though)
SubSith's SO Scum. Seriously.
Alright.. sub is town.
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It really does. Unlike most of my posts, that one was made while I was perfectly coherent. You need only understand the history behind it. Nhammen, Pine, Silver, and Wraith are the ones besides me in this game who'll get it.
But yeah. SubSith was Serious. Totally mean it. Honestly. (Don't give me that look!)My academy.
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Dang cold. I meant to work on this game last night, but a sore throat at 2 am was my body's signal that I needed to sleep. >_< Looks like I'm out of time, and have to post this, 'cause nobody's paying attention to me. :/
Now I realize my vote on SubZeroSith is extremely poor, and gives off the appearance of a horrible RVote past that S.
But it actually does have a purpose. I'm typing this at 6:18 (the post SAYS 8:17 'cause I haven't fixed my time zone), to show how I'm not BS'ing when I choose to post it.
Essentially, I'm looking for specific reactions to my post. Everyone who knows me should realize that I don't like the RVS--hate it, even. And that I'd recognize better than anyone else when it's over.
And I did.
But I'm after those reactions. I'm actually quite concerned about SubZeroSith. I've played with DarthYoshi's half before. (Technically, I believe I've played with ICEninja once or twice two years ago, but didn't really pay any attention to those games. :P)
And this doesn't look like the Yoshi-town I remember.
Granted, he was a newbie, then, and he was also a Cop, then, (and hydra'ing is different than normal play) but it's still concerning enough to me that I'm looking specifically for reactions.
...In other words:Spoiler: My overall reads in the game were essentially
Worthless. (I was thinking originally, "how hard could it be?" Then I tried, realized how many null--therefore worthless-reads I had, and screamed, "GAH!")
I need to re-read the thread. And I decided that in the mean time, I might as well leave something with a "WTF?!?" factor to get in good reactions.
Oh, and some time in the future--a few hours, a day, I dunno--I'm going to respond to any "is that serious?!?" with a response of,
"Totally. Dead serious. Sith's So Scum."
...To get more reactions.
I know, kinda confusing, but it makes sense as play from me.
So, yeah. Is it random? Semi. It's not a strong vote. But it's a vote enough for me to get started in the game.
Now, for my catchup post:
Spoiler: hopefully, will be my only wall
Yeah. There's one word for my total contribution to this game, even with the above:
Fluff.
And lots of it. Sorry, guys. Thought it'd be easier. But, eh, I meant it when I said this'd be my only wall. What am I going to do?
Open a private QT, to store my thoughts in, and post only the conclusions from it.
I've got to click on every single one of the links I made, see why I thought what I did at the time, review it, and come to a final conclusion on the matter to get a solid read. (Which would be another huge wall, hence, me wanting a QT*. :P)
*Hey, it works when I'm in Calcifer! :P When I use a QT, I wall less. ;)
Vote will momentarily stay: SubSith IS a suspect of mine, despite the fact that they appear to be an easy wagon. I'll be pondering whether I think they're town or scum, but since (to my knowledge) they're nowhere close to being lynched, no harm in keeping my vote there.My academy.
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Ice, I assume?SubSith wrote:I'm not sure what you hoped to accomplish with your vote on me, but if it's something that you normally do then I'll just have to wait for some real scum hunting from the end of the day.
(By lack of familiarity. Not surprising, considering I barely remembered that name, and the memory's probably mutual. )
I clearly explained everything in the post.Spoiler: Initial ReadsSo, yeah. TL;DR version of everything:Spoiler: Rambling on VCA
My mind works on a different wavelength than most people's.TL;DR of that? Scumhunting Pending. Hopefully, I'll get something solid in by tonight.Spoiler: More RamblingMy academy.
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While I SEE the Toon case, there are a few things I have observed from Toon which look town.SubSith wrote:Also--I notice that you're referring to both us and Toon as "easy wagons" or "easy lynches." But one of the two (us) you think is scum and one (Toon) you think is null despite you apparently seeing the point of the case. Why the discrepancy?
When I look at you, I don't see that town view.
But, admittedly?
I think I'm tunneling on you, so I need that re-read to revaluate things. See if I'm really tunneling, or if you're just that obvious scum.My academy.
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Just finished some VCA. It pretty strongly implicates both Silver and SubzeroSith as scum, actually. (Along with Amor...) Since I haven't done the reread of the thread, yet, I haven't thought out these reads in more detail, but their interaction certainly looks like it COULD be bussing...
(Still trying to analyze the VCA to make some initial conclusions. I've got some ideas for townsfolk which might surprise you, and some which obviously won't. Same goes for scum. Interesting note, is that in pretty much all the votecounts, Amor is someone who COULD be scum, and fits pretty well.
Yes, this means {Amor, SubSith, Silver} are my three main suspects right now based off of preliminary findings. Not sure on anyone else, though, and again, these reads might change. If I had to take a wild stab in the dark as to a fourth member, it'd be one of Zepher or {Surye,Wraith*}.
Just initial findings. But will ponder if this scumteam makes any sense by anything other than the VCA.)
*Working off of four scum, which seems right. Five's too many in a game this small.My academy.
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Yeah. Initial VCA might not be the most accurate tool, but I think it's done its job:
I have something to work from, something which--while not conclusive--is at least a starting point, to help me better my reads. We'll see how things go once I start the process. (It's rather complicated, what I have planned. But the end result might end up with me nailing the entire scumteam, if I'm correct. For instance, an alternative to Amor being scum is Thor being scum, but I simply found that slightly less likely by my initial findings paired with the VCA. If I complete my planned process, that theoretically could be reversed. We'll see...)My academy.
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Yeah...sorry, Silver. But you really look like you're bussing SubSith, who's bussing you back. That's just my impression on reading this page nine, but the reaction between you two seems quite forced.My academy.
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silverbullet999 wrote:-Mastin
In our other game... what did VCA have you reading pine as (I honestly don't remember and want to know)?Confirmed town before I DID VCA, so called confirmed town IN the VCA.
...Okay, so not quite.
...Actually, if memory serves, I was beginning to get suspicious as to just how many times the VCA showed evidence Pine'd be scum.
My town-read was degrading on Pine from 100% to something like 95%. The VCA which implicated him multiple times bumped it down to its final level, like 80-90% sure he was town.
In other words, yes, it caught Pine. I just didn't realize it until it was too late.My academy.
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So, yeah. I'm going to probably be wasting hours of my time in the future analyzing the VCA I did. It looks accurate, but my conclusions (while they seem to be backed up from what little I've seen) might not be correct as of now. I'll know in a couple days or so (in-game time), but for now, I'm going to put it aside. It's served its purpose for now; I've got my head in the game.My academy.
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Essentially, what I'm saying?
I think my VCA nailed it, is dead-on what the scum are this game. And if not, is pretty darn close.
My conclusions, however, FROM the VCA, I am not as sure on. There's only so much I can learn from it without wasting countless hours (with no guarantee that'll work) and/or a flip (which usually helps, but doesn't always).
Current conclusions (give or take--it's not an exact science ) implicate Silver and SubSith, along with {Amor, Thor} and one of {Wraith/Surye,Zepher/Deity}. Bolded my current choices of the choices. We'll see how these conclusions look when compared to actual in-thread evidence.My academy.
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Wait a sec.silverbullet999 wrote:-Mastin
that's fine, but what did you read pine as in VCA in there will be blood (Yes i'm basing your whole logic from that game and yes that will obviously affect me).
Just hit me.
If my VCA implicated Pine (which it did), and you're curious about my VCA this game (which implicates you)...
...Is that a scumclaim?
(This...probably makes more sense in my head than it does to anyone else, but the chain of thought is there, if you understand my wavelength of thought. )My academy.
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And for the record?
Yeah, my vote is now, honestly and legitimately, a serious vote, if you couldn't tell. It's not much, but what I've seen thusfar would leave me happy with a lynch on either of 'em. (Silver, SubSith.)My academy.
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...Yeah, that looks like a scumclaim to me.My academy.
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My vote's currently on Sub, Silver. Who I believe to be scum more than I believe you to be. I still believe both of you are (currently, at least), but SubSith more than you. If someone's chances of being scum start at 25%, you'd be at 50 or so, whereas SubSith is a good 60.
("...That doesn't look too bad." Keep in mind, I aint goin' above 90 without a role result. I am not going to exceed 80 without having done a thorough read, which I'm in the process of doing. Considering 25 is the baseline--instead of some people who start it at 50--that means that SubSith is a full 35% more likely to be scum than the default. Which--for those who like to start at 50--is actually an 85% chance of being scum.
THAT is pretty high up, for so early in the game. Hence, keeping my vote.)My academy.
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^Another wall incoming, I presume?My academy.
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So, based off of my reads so far...
silverbullet999 (2) - Maxous,SubzeroSith<--Good wagon.
Amor (2) - nhammen,Surye<--Fairly good wagon, but not the best.
Pine (3) – Wraith, jmurph3, DeityKabuto <--This wagon needs to die, believe it or not.
Thor665 (1) – Knight of Cydonia <--Lesser alternative to Amor.
SubzeroSith (2) –Surye, silverbullet999, mastin2 <--Winwagon.
Toon Fighter (4) –SubzeroSith, Pine, MrZepher, Thor665,Amor<--Yes. This wagon DOES need to die, believe it or not. It's not the best wagon.
More or less. (Though, again. Initial reads and analysis might not hold accurate when I look at things in more detail.)My academy.
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For the record, Zepher's chances of being the fourth scum (if my initial reads are correct) just increased.My academy.
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You're not. You just have above-average chances of being scum by theZepher wrote:Also, why am I scum exactly?VoteCountAnalysis. (This is answering jmurph as well about what VCA stands for.)
Pine: you're obviously ignoring my posts, where I mention my VCA has actually quite effectively pinned you as scum, and me IGNORING the VCA caused my read to be wrong. (Also, I have the sneaking suspicion my VCA is far less accurate in two-scumteam games. >_<)
^Not reading the thread, but probably not scum. I only have one wall. Rest of my posts have been as short as I can possibly make 'em.Toon wrote:Wow, mastin, you sure made a lot of walls.
Interesting, how Thor goes after Amor. Interesting because my VCA suggests that if Amor isn't scum, Thor would be. Makes my town-view on Thor slightly larger, 'cause he'd know by now that if I thought he was scum, he'd get lynched pretty quickly.My academy.
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SubSith, I stopped reading your post when I realized you were leaving out the second half of the quote, which changed the entire meaning. (Maybe not an intentional misrep, but it's at the very least a misinterpretation, and when I realized that the assumption behind the post was wrong, I decided to ignore that entire rant.)
Yes. I think my VCA nailed all the scum.
No. I don't know all the scum without flips. Because my INTERPRETATION of the VCA isn't perfect.
I made that quite clear. (I did, didn't I? I certainly thought I mentioned that at some point.)My academy.
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Right. I did.
Context is your friend!Mastin, in the post SubSith quoted wrote:My conclusions, however, FROM the VCA, I am not as sure on.My academy.
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If that made sense. Don't make me ramble about VCA for a third time!Spoiler: ANOTHER ramble about my VCAMy academy.
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You know, you two really aren't doing a good job of convincing me I'm wrong about the whole bussing thing.My academy.
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You and Friend were Town, so it was Town vs. Town.Silver wrote:This is literally like the debate with me and Friend in TWBB except more extreme which commonly happens with me.
You imply that this is the same, which'd mean it'd be town on town as well.
Yet your vote clearly indicates knowledge to the contrary, that you're thinking SubSith is scum.
Small contradiction, but noteworthy enough.My academy.
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Hey, guys, quick question--
Does Silver have a meta against bussing? (I mean, there are some players who don't bus. Like me.)
...No?
...Okay, then, how about DarthYoshi? No meta against bussing?
...Alright, then, how about ICEninja? Is he against bussing?
...Yeah. Unless any of the above were "yes", then I have one final question for you guys:
WTF MAKES YOU THINK THAT ONLYONEOF THEM IS SCUM? >_<
Bussing's the new norm. This looks a lot like bussing.
Sure, I suppose it's possible only one of 'em is scum, but it's not CERTAIN that only one is scum. It's pretty much certain AT LEAST one of them is scum, butcertain that ONLY one of them is--that's what bussing is for, people! Especially mutual bussing--to make people think "nah, only one of 'em could POSSIBLY be scum after they fought like that..."not
(Still need to read, though this is again what I am seeing: bussing. That's what it looks like. Not town-on-town. Not town-on-scum. Scum-on-scum.)My academy.
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Both?DeityKabuto wrote:I guess it's time we decide who's more scummier, Silver or Sub. I will expect the rest of you guys read thoroughly examine their actions, and I will do the same. Failing to do so, reads Anti-town.
But, yeah. SubSith more than Silver.
Since I've been sick, the time I was supposed to be using reading up on the game in more detail was instead spent sleeping the cold away, so unfortunately, I still have yet to even start my reread. :/ But when it's finished, I'll see about my conclusions.My academy.
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[b[Unvote, Vote: Silver[/b]
^Intentionally broken, as to 1: keep my vote on Sub, and 2: Not risk hammering Silver before I'm ready for the day to end, but consider that an honorary L-1, Silver.
In other words:Claim Time, Silver. Or it becomes real.My academy.
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I realized that as well immediately after I made the post and was thinking, "oh, crud, I hope I didn't just get myself modkilled". In Hindsight, probably shoulda been something likeHoS: Silver.
(Also, to clarify--I don't want anyone hammering yet, even after Silver claims. I don't want a premature hammer to happen, and my experience is that when someone's put to L-1...they're almost universally hammered, anyway, despite the request not to. Sometimes it's the player at L-1 in question, too, if scum [or really emotional town]. Or it could be dumb-town. You get the idea. Lots of reasons why I prefer not to put someone at L-1 so soon.)My academy.
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My vote remains firmly parked on SubSith.My academy.
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silverbullet999 (7.5) – Maxous, SubzeroSith, Pine, | nhammen, DeityKabuto, Surye, /\ Knight of Cydonia <> mastin2
First three on last official votecount.
Second three within rapid succession of said votecount.
KoC hopped on a little bit later than that.
I never joined, but am an honorary member of this wagon, too.
The first group likely has one scum in it. (SubSith would be my guess.) The second group ALSO likely has scum in it, due to the size of the wagon. (Ditto.) In a game of this size, I'm assuming four scum, so that's pretty much a maximum of two in a wagon. (Admit it: as scum in a 4-man scumteam, you hesitate to join a wagon which already has two of your scumbuddies on it.)
This has me inclined to believe that KoC's placement was a town-placement, though I'm not positive. By that same logic, I believe nhammen joined at a time which wasn't scummy, too. Deity and Surye, on the other hand... (Only ONE of them, though--not both.)
"Why are you convinced there's two scum?"
Because it fits, regardless of Silver's alignment, 'cause on an L-1 wagon, I'd expect two scum. ESPECIALLY if Silver's town, but still EXTREMELY likely if Silver's scum due to a little thing we call, oh, y'know...
BUSSING.
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Ah, lots of content. Love when that happens. Sorry, guys. Since a lot of it is directed at me, I'll have to wall a little.
Deity: My normal way of scumhunting is wall-posting. That's more anti-town than my current method, because it kills the game. Gives better info, sure, but it's not doing any good if nobody reads it. So, I am developing this method. (Consider me kinda like a newbie--I haven't settled down into a posting style, so to speak, since my return.) Simply put, my way is a different form of scumhunting, neither superior nor inferior to the normal way.
As for Silver's claim--put bluntly, I wouldn't have believed anything OTHER than Vanilla. If he was desperate scum and claimed a PR, I'd lynch him then and there, end the day early. Since he claimed VT, it's possible (albeit unlikely) he's town. I still think he's scum; he's just not as scummy as SubSith is.Spoiler: How many times must I ramble?
SubSith: The only way my vote is moving is if I find someone scummier than my current vote.
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To elaborate:
I never intended to move my vote from SubSith to Silver unless Silver claimed to be a Power Role. It was always meant to be on--and remain on--SubSith, who I feel has a greater chance of being scum than Silver. (Even though I think they both are scum, still.)My academy.
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Working on it. Mainly, it's VCA, and a feeling which isn't quite "gut", but has no other word to better describe it. This is deeper than gut, more meaningful. That whole "different level" thing coming into play--it's subtle, perhaps even subconscious.Maxous wrote:@Mastin2: Can you give us some non-VCA reasons why Silverbullet and Subzero are mafia?
I'm trying to explain the read in more traditional terms, but have slacked off due to being sick.My academy.
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For the record, I have started my reread. But it'll take a long time for me to finish it. I'm trying to do something which I haven't done in a long time. (Nail the scumteam on day one. I've done it multiple times before, but always in a newbie game. It's harder to do with double [four] the amount of scum, but theoretically possible. A lot of the assumptions I make might prove to be inaccurate in the long-run, but I think the risk of miscalculating is worth the potential reward.)My academy.
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For the record, progress has been kinda slow for me, sorry. I'll inform you of any reads in need of updating, since I believe I've gotten my thoughts out there already. (SubSith, Silver, Amor/Thor, and one of {Wraith, Surye, Zepher, someoneelseIdonotrememberoffthetopofmyhead}, if memory serves. It's still my current read.)My academy.
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From you? Kinda used to it.My academy.
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Alright.
List of those I think are Scum: SubSith, Silver, Amor,
\/ one of the below which isn't Thor.
List of those I Suspect: Thor (in place of Amor), Wraith, Zepher, Surye, Deity? (was that my fourth? Can't remember >_<) (but only one of them IS scum).
List of those I think are Town: Nhammen, Pine, NS (yes, really), Uite, Toon, Maxous, KoC. (To varying degrees, of course. Some of the names are obviously stronger than others.)My academy.
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I will not take part in a Silver lynch. I'm having one of those feelings.
One of those moments which say, "STOP!"
Last time, I listened to said feeling, it was correct. And my original suspect was scum.
I'm gonna go with my history on this one. That is, I refuse to join the silver wagon and will continue to push SubSith. I'll accept the consequences if I'm wrong. But you're not getting me on there. Even though Silver was a scumread. I'm not going to go against this feeling.
Confirm Vote: SubZeroSith.My academy.
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That's not the opinion I was expecting. I was kinda thinking that if Silver flipped scum that people'd suddenly be suspicious of me for not following through.
But, yeah. I know it makes no rational sense, but when I have one of those feelings, I can't go against them. Meaning I'd rather no-lynch right now than see a Silver lynch. Not the smartest play, but, well...it's just that feeling. I have no words to describe it. It's something which just hit me. Something clicked into place, snappeed, which made me suddenly against the lynch. And I have no clue what. It just happened, and I'm sticking to it.My academy.
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Whoah, really?
You have 'em, too?
Heh. Thought I was the only one.
But, yes. I have faked it before. Once.
When I first Hydra'd with Nacho as Calcifer, in Outdoorsmen Mafia 2. I faked a strong town-read on my scumbuddy.
I tend not to try and fake them that often, because I don't really understand them when I'm town. So, when I'm scum, I don't know how I'd act well enough if I were town to pull it off very often.
This read isn't a fake, though. I meant it. If I had the time to figure out why I felt this way, we might be able to understand things a bit better.
(Sorry. Feeling a bit incoherent at the moment.)My academy.
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Silver's at L-1. This does not amuse me.My academy.
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Hey, guys?
Guess what?
I investigated Silver as innocent during the day!
Yes this is a serious claim of using a daycop ability.
Now get off that wagon, 'kay?My academy.
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I am not willing to vote for Toon.
He's one of my surprising town-reads.
I AM willing to go on Amor, under ONE condition:
If Amor flips town, lynch Thor.
If people agree, then they have my support.
Otherwise, it's still SubzeroSith for me.
Just not Silver.My academy.
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Good Idea, I suppose. Of course, for this to be valid, we must ensure no protective roles are on me.Toon Fighter wrote:If mastin survives tonight, I propose we lynch either him on silverbullet tomorrow. he may be pulling a gambit here and be scum with silverbullet
Any Protective Roles: Do NOT be on me OR silver tonight.
Let's see if the scum have the guts to kill me or Silver.
Trust me, I know what I'm doing.My academy.
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Silver gained respect from me in TWBBS after becoming a Neighbor as being a competent player. My scumread was also weakened by certain posts. More than that, Silver's opinions this game looked like--while not necessarily correct--they were on to something. And Silver isn't likely going to be NK'd, not even after this claim. Silver's only risk was lynching. That's why I debated the target (Silver) before I got a result, as well as whether to claim after. Inevitably, I decided the smartest play was to claim, because I felt that if I didn't, I'd regret it more than if I did.Pine wrote:Mastin, can you explain why you investigated someone who was, at the time, a strong scumread for you? How is that in line with your discussion article on cop methodology?
More or less.My academy.
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Please no Toon lynch. Toon's one of my few town-reads which have remained strong town-reads.
It should be Amor or SubzeroSith today, in my opinion.My academy.
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STOP LYNCHING TOON!My academy.
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Here's an idea, SubzeroSith--
Why don't you claim, then we'll start talkin'. Otherwise, we start by hangin'. You, that is, not Toon.
Toon shouldn't HAVE to claim. You SHOULD.My academy.
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silverbullet999 (2) – nhammen, Knight of Cydonia <--Leftovers.
mastin2 (1) - Nobody Special <--NS is a lurker, but is town.
Amor (1) –Thor665 <--Thought this was a larger wagon!
nhammen (1) – silverbullet999 <--Worthless wagon, Silver.
DeityKabuto (1) – Uite <--While there has been some INTEREST in a Deity lynch, it is not the course of action we need to take today.
SubzeroSith (5) – mastin2, Pine, Toon Fighter, Surye, DeityKabuto <--Consider this L-1, SubzeroSith. You're the lead wagon, and that means you die when time runs out.
Toon Fighter (3) – Maxous, SubzeroSith, Amor <--Please don't do this wagon.
Not Voting (3) – MrZepher, Wraith, jmurph3 <--Alarmingly, I believe I've seen pretty much all of these people post/be online recently...and they have no votes... :/My academy.
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As for the contradiction:Spoiler: Cop Play
Explained already. Silver's a competent player, and one who has a bit of an unusual, slightly-unorthodox brand of logic from what I've observed. Who won't be NK'd unless the scum take my taunt, and preferably won't be lynched, either. Sound kinda familiar? Silver's not at, say, a Pine level of similarity to me, but he's still similar enough that having him clear seemed like a good idea at the time.My academy.
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I'd still prefer a SubzeroSith lynch, and even if I didn't, it looks like a SubzeroSith lynch has more support than an Amor lynch. But if it came down to it being a Toon Lynch or an Amor lynch, I'd definitely go with the Amor lynch and join ya. Otherwise, my vote is still where it needs to be.My academy.
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Unvote, Vote: Amor. Please not Toon.My academy.
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You're correct, in that your wagon likely has 1-2 scum in it. But you're incorrect as to who. It's Deity and/or Surye; I'm pretty sure of that. Mainly because I have a town-read on Pine and Toon.SubSith wrote:DK is nullish as he gets a pass for the moment on grounds of cluelessness (no offense, dude), but among the other three—Pine/Toon/Surye—I am dead certain you will find at least 1-2 scum.
Speaking of which, with Thor AND Jmurph ALSO as confirmed town, this really helps me with my own analysis, which'll help me conclude how to play tomorrow. (Regrettably, it looks like I will not be nightkilled in this game, at all. Three masons is a solid three nights of nightkills. ) Help me analyze the situation better.
We get the flip today (if it's Toon, it'll be town, if it's Amor, it'll be scum), plus the info from all the confirmed town, and can use it all to find the scum.
I know, it doesn't look like that good of a situation, but trust me, this puts us at a far better advantage than you might think.My academy.
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He's been a town-read since pretty much my entrance into the game? More or less, yeah, that.Pine wrote:Why? Maybe it's 1 AM speaking, but I don't recall you ever giving a good reason for your vocal opposition to Toon's lynch.My academy.
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Alright. Which ones were those, again? I might not be able to answer before deadline, but I will be able to answer Day 2. (Since there's no way the scum are letting three mutually-confirmed-town live the whole game. )SubSith wrote:Mastin, I claimed. Let's talk.My academy.
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Asking me to explain my town-reads doesn't end very well.Pine wrote:But WHY is Toon a Town read?
He just is one. I have trouble explaining it, but from the moment I saw Toon, I thought Town. Scummy, but town.
Kinda like you, I suppose. Was initially suspicious of you, but later thought things over and concluded this was the town-you. (This also addresses Thor, sort-of.)
Put bluntly--
I CANmy town-reads on Pine and Toon, but not within the alloted time. It'd have to wait 'til Day 2, since I can't write out the reasons why briefly. There's no way to do it without a long wall, essentially, something which takes too much time for me to finish today.explain
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Right now, my suspects are Amor, One of (possibly both) {Deity, Surye}, and POSSIBLY Zepher. But I need to review the game during the night. That's the perfect chance for me to make sense of this mess.
Put simply, I think the town got off on the wrong foot, but that we can turn this around into a guaranteed victory. Let's hope I don't slack off.My academy.
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So, brief rundown of reads for all (theoretically) possible lynches today:
4. Wraith <--Possible suspect, but very weak. Overall has been a slight town-read, but that was when all the confirmed town were still suspects.
5. Amor <--I'm around 75% sure Amor's scum, right now.
6. nhammen <--Ditto.
7. DeityKabuto <--Slight scum-lean before, bit stronger now.
8. Pine <--Town-read.
9. MrZepher <--Slight scum-lean.
10. Surye <--Same as Deity.
11. Nobody Special <--Weak town-read. Still holds. If Amor flips town, I'll be thinking NS is possible scum, but my opinion is that most likely, town.
13. Uite <--Ditto. Was a slight town-read.
15. Toon Fighter <--Town-read.
16. Maxous <--Old town-read. Still holds, I guess.
17. Knight of Cydonia <--Ditto. Has gone back and forth a lot today. I've overall been leaning town, though.My academy.
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