New York 131: Tricycle Mafia (Day 5)

[Pine]

Get off of Silver. I don't see Silverscum doing what he's done lately, his frustration is real.

Mastin or Uite should be our lynch today.

[MrZepher]

I read Mastin's post as a buddying post.

I'm beginning to favor a Pine lynch. I'm starting to feel like my earlier justification for seeing Pine as town may in fact be wrong.

Shut up Jmurph. >.>

[jmurph3]

[biting tongue] I will not gloat, I will not gloat... [/biting tongue]

If the support's no longer there for a silver lynch, then I'm obviously in favor of a Pine lynch. In fact, let's get that rolling. UNVOTE: ,VOTE: Pine

[Pine]

Why?

Seriously, NO ONE has provided any semblance of a case against me. The Townies amongst this crowd moving have been persuaded by Mastin's constant barrage of arguments through repetition, and the scum amngst you are taint advantage of it.

Produce the case, Mastin.

[Toon Fighter]

I could get behind a Pine lynch, but I see no case against him. Can someone make a convincing case? If so, I'll hop in

[MrZepher]

Is it me or is it getting harder and harder to see Toon as being town >~<

[mastin2]

He's still town.

Right now (short of jmurph, of course), if every other single one of my reads were off (other than NS, who's probably cop-confirmed innocent), then my Toon read wouldn't be.

If that makes sense. Essentially, Toon's my most confident town-read.

[Toon Fighter]

That's... good to know, mastin

[jmurph3]

UNVOTE:

I went back through the thread and realized that my justification for why mastin was most likely not bussing scum (in the case of the amor lynch) must also then apply to Pine, as Pine had the same opportunity to stay on the Toon wagon and lynch a possible townie. By my own logic, if mastin is unlikely to be scum because of that, the same applies to Pine. My apologies.

This means that, to me, there are two scum somewhere in the set of silver, nhammen, MrZepher, Nobody Special, Uite, Toon, and Maxous. I'm personally not convinced that silver is town based on his reaction to the votes against him today. Do I doubt his frustration is real? No - but caught scum can be just as frustrated as a townie. Frustration and appeal to emotion =/= town. In fact, if anything, silver's attitude today has been distinctly anti-town. Instead of focusing on finding an alternate viable lynch candidate, he instead demands that we hammer him and self-votes. Why would a townie want to do that? Even a frustrated townie should be concerned more with gathering information.

For those reasons, I am going to once again VOTE: Silver

[Pine]

No. Silver is Town.

Someone other than Maxous or Mastin explain to me why we haven't been looking at Maxous lately? I seem to recall some very circumstantial evidence early on giving him some "clear for now" credit, but nothing since. Same goes for Mr. Zepher.

[Toon Fighter]

Why do you believe silver is town, Pine?

[jmurph3]

No. Silver is Town.

Someone other than Maxous or Mastin explain to me why we haven't been looking at Maxous lately? I seem to recall some very circumstantial evidence early on giving him some "clear for now" credit, but nothing since. Same goes for Mr. Zepher.

I don't disagree that we've been focusing on the same players, but like Toon, I want to know why you're so convinced silver is town. Because the only reasoning that I can find that you've stated is because silverscum wouldn't act the way silver is currently acting, which is WIFOM and you know it.

[Maxous]

This game, I swear.

You know I've seen mafia do this before as a excuse to lurk and to avoid taking solid stances on any of the players in the game.
Explain why Pine and Mastin are a team please.

The Townies amongst this crowd moving have been persuaded by Mastin's constant barrage of arguments through repetition, and the scum amngst you are taint advantage of it.

Who/what scum are taking advantage of it?
Re - post 759 : Do

you

have a reason to think that I am mafia? Or Mr.Zepher? Why did you mention that?

[silverbullet999]

any day someone wants to hammer.. feel friggen free.

Can we throw a policy lynch on me? Distraction?

-jto the fucking murph

Instead of focusing on finding an alternate viable lynch candidate, he instead demands that we hammer him and self-votes. Why would a townie want to do that?

I HAVE STATED SHIT BUT IT DOESN'T GET FUCKING LISTENED TO. Everyone has a fucking hard on for me, just fucking lynch me so you can realize how much of a fucking tunneling idiot you are and move the fuck on.

[Maxous]

^
Yeah this is starting to look over-done.
Like if he keeps doing it he will keep the lynch off himself.

[silverbullet999]

No, I want the lynch maxous, give me my lynch.

[jmurph3]

@Silver: No. You haven't said "shit". Actually, you have. All that you've said today has been pretty much bullshit. Who do you think is scum? You mentioned nhammen weakly, but that's it. Please, make a case against someone. I'm not tunneling, I just don't see any conceivable way that you can be acting the way you are and be town.

[Pine]

Why do you believe silver is town, Pine?

I don't see this attitude coming from scum. I've seen scum vote for themselves, hell I've BEEN that scum. They don't push their hammer and annoy the shit out of people looking to die. I've played with Silver-Town before, and this looks like when he gets frustrated. I'm distinctly reminded of the last day of TWBB when he went batshit crazy.

The Townies amongst this crowd moving have been persuaded by Mastin's constant barrage of arguments through repetition, and the scum amngst you are taint advantage of it.

Who/what scum are taking advantage of it?
Re - post 759 : Do

you

have a reason to think that I am mafia? Or Mr.Zepher? Why did you mention that?

TBH, I've got no fucking clue. The only real scumreads I have are on Uite (mostly gut) and Mastin (which I've explained). I mentioned you and Zepher because you've received almost no scrutiny since D1, and that makes me uneasy.

[Maxous]

Wondering how I forgot this up until now..

Later on, Subzero had explained his vote on Toon Fighter, and why he think Toon Fighter is scum. His reasons were valid, but also more of an assumption. This caused Toon Fighter to lose his temper and snap on SubzeroSith, at the same time, he seems like an innocent townie

He defended Toon Fighter!
And then Toon used that excuse
Yeah I'm getting more confident here.

Come to think of that post is a good place to look for buddies. I mean okay, it looks bad for me being so low but still..
Will examine more later.

[jmurph3]

@Pine: and you don't think it's at all conceivable that silver, knowing that you and everyone else who played TWBB remembers that he acted that way as town, is doing the same exact thing as scum and relying on the fact that you will think he's town because of it?

[Maxous]

Okay I decided to do it now instead..

silverbullet999 - 55% (Trollish?)

Would you call you're buddy a troll? Doubtful.

mastin2 - 50% (unsure if his vote on SubzeroSith was random or not, just replaced in so he missed the RVS stage though)

No opinion on Mastin - but Mastin did just replace in..

MrZepher - 58% (he seems to be playing it a bit too safe on post #77)

Mr.Zepher is looking more like town.

Pine - 60% (serious RV, never really explained his vote unlike how Subzero did)

Looks good for Pine

Toon Fighter - 53% (he seems kind of innocent, but lost his "cool" when he voted SubzeroSith claiming his reasons "bs")

As I said above this looks like lightly defending to me.

nhammen - 50%

No comment at all? Hmm suspicious. DK did'nt give Thor a comment either however.

Nobody Special - 53% (admitted earlier on that he wasn't that interested in the game, and not contributing much)

Uite - 60% (claimed he would start posting and failed to do so)

Surye - 60% (placed a vote, then went under the radar, inactive)

DarthYoshi - 60% (not posting/contributing much)

Very interesting contrast in DK's attitude to Nobody Special compared to the other 3 players who were doing pretty much the same thing.
Looks suspicious about NS.

[MrZepher]

No. Silver is Town.

Someone other than Maxous or Mastin explain to me why we haven't been looking at Maxous lately? I seem to recall some very circumstantial evidence early on giving him some "clear for now" credit, but nothing since. Same goes for Mr. Zepher.

I've been playing close attention to Maxous, and while he does say one or two things that make me question mark, it's not enough for me to redirect my attention. I feel like it would be the same/a similar story for other people.
I'll go back and take a closer look though.

On another note, I have been playing with a Toon Scum, Mastin third party idea.
It would make sense for Mastin to want to keep another source of night kills alive, and then flip his reads to make Toon scum as soon as one or two of us flips town.

It doesn't NOT make sense... Idk. Thoughts by anyone else?

[Pine]

Hrm...Mastin as third party would indeed make a lot of sense, and would explain his weird (even for Mastin) behavior.

[Nobody Special]

This game, I swear.

You know I've seen mafia do this before as a excuse to lurk and to avoid taking solid stances on any of the players in the game.
Explain why Pine and Mastin are a team please.

I didn't say they were. I just put out the idea as a hypothetical. I have seen scumteams argue like this.

[Pine]

And now that it isn't gaining traction, you're backing off of it. Interesting.