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mastin2 wrote:Spoiler: Rambling About My Experience With Other Players
I was sadly very busy and it wasn't due to my playstyle. It was Mini 1146 I think and I prompted the mod that I would like to replace IN for that game, since it sounded funny and all. Then last week of school hits and I have 40 pages to read up. (Well I mean that I replaced in a longgg time after that) I had to prod dodge to infinity hoping that I'd get a night to do my catch up xD But the nights were so quick! (I was irresponsible in that game, but that won't happen and I will post a ton) I was not adjusted to this. D4 comes, and alot of people are angry with my stalling. I was going to try and do a catch up to atone for my sins, but I saw WELL AT LEAST HE COULD BE HAMMERING so I was like FUUUu ok and I hammered someone I didn't even have a read on xD. That was a berry big mistake. Luckily, that was the last scum I had hammered, so we won the game, but I got temporarily black listed.
It was situational, and I don't like lurking either. You won't see that here. : P And yes, you will see my name alot.-
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Kublai Khan wrote:ohshit.. mastin2? *HEAD DESK*
mastin2 wrote:Vote: Khan Man. For old time's sake.
(Fun fact: I've been in two games with Khan.
In Both Games, Khan was scum.
I am in this game.
Khan is in this game.
Therefore, Khan is scum.
My logic is flawless! )
Flawless logic, indeed. You are not claiming roleblocker and you are still alive. Ergo I'm not scum.
And I'm obviously not a delayed action vig; though I agree with you on the definition--I think we'll see a minimum 2 bodies tomorrow (Empking+scum) assuming no blocking, etc.
Still, how much does Empking hate you?or ignore you and let nature take it's course.I'm trying to decide to either policy lynch you for excessive posting
DeityKabuto wrote:I am the Jailkeeper. I can target people and block night abilities used on them and that person cannot use night abilities. I chose my first target at random, so I need the town to lean me in the right direction of who to use it on N1.
What the eff--? You don't seem to have any completed games here on mafiascum.
Do you understand any of the basic principles of playing mafia?
Scott Brosius' vote is horrible. So is Mana_Ku's vote. She (?) should justify it soon.
DeityKabuto wrote:I played a game as a scum with mastin, and overall, he is our best chance at winning the game.
No talking about on-going games. (I didn't see any completed games in your meta.)
hmm
Vote: Scott Brosius
FOS: Mana_Ku
That's NOT GONNA HAPENNNN-
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mastin2 wrote:Delayed Action Vig?
I have no clue what role that is, and I doubt I'd find it if I searched on the Wiki. My GUESS would be that Empking sends in a kill, and said person dies either during the day phase at some time or during the next night phase.
Does anyone know if Empking would shoot on an N0?
Also. Gorilla is town. Discuss.
I'm also going to take a stab in the dark.
1. inHimshallibe
2. [winger]
3. DeityKabuto
4. Kublai Khan
12. Hiraki
The Scum Are Within Those Names.. For old time's sake.
Vote: Khan Man
(Fun fact: I've been in two games with Khan.
In Both Games, Khan was scum.
I am in this game.
Khan is in this game.
Therefore, Khan is scum.
My logic is flawless! )
Or maybe he'd have to send it in twice.
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Silver1337 wrote:Because it's dangerous to lynch someone without loads of evidence on D1.
If you need loads of evidence, how do you think you'd get it?
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Vote Count
- Skyquiem: 2 (Scott Brosius, Mana_Ku) L-6
Scott Brosius: 2 (Hiraki, Kublai Kahn) L-6
Kublai Kahn: 1 (mastin2) L-7
Mana_Ku: 1 (Ranmaru) L-7
Not Voting: 8 (inHimshallibe, [winger], DeityKabuto, Silver1337, Skyquiem, RisingPhoenix, gorilla, Reya Cookiebringer)
With 14 players, it takes8to lynch.
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Kublai Khan wrote:Ranmaru wrote:Kublai Khan wrote:I'm trying to decide to either policy lynch you for excessive posting
That's NOT GONNA HAPENNNN
It should. If you idolize mastin2, then you're an idiot.
Also, when responding to a single line within a big post. Just quote the single line (as above) instead of editing my text.
Ranmaru wrote:mastin2 wrote:Users browsing this forum: mastin2, Reya Cookiebringer
^What it was. I checked multiple times. Also saw Reya posting somewhere on the forum as the last post in one of 'em.
Users browsing this forum: mastin2
^What it is, now.
I approve of this.
You approve of scum-hunting based on looking at "users browsing forum"? Are you not aware that people can hide their online status?
Ranmaru wrote:mastin2 wrote:Delayed Action Vig?
Or maybe he'd have to send it in twice.
Huh? (I'm guessing at what specific part of mastin2's entire post you're talking about, BTW. Clarity helps town. Learn to edit, then post.)
Meaning a lynch won't happen for posting. Sorry. Nope, you'll have to see the bold.
I approve of poking at people to post if they are viewing.
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Skyquiem wrote:I personally disagree with head one. I believe meta is a valuable and strong tool which is why I do plan on releasing my head before the close of today, I'd appreciate if we heard no more about who our heads are until then.
Mastin, is your reasoning behind believing that there's 1-2 scum in the early posters because you believe mafia are much more likely to pay attention towards the game in a late start such as this and thus be likely to post instantly, because that's something that has popped in my head however it's not a reliable enough tell to pursue. Also people posting about spectators viewing the thread is actually one of the things that annoy me the most, don't get me wrong lurker prodding and pressuring is a very crucial part to the game but this early in the game you just need to stand back and let natural play occur.
Ranmaru, I've viewed some of your games and I have a fairly good idea of your playstyle. I'm going to recommend that you attempt to keep all your thoughts in one post, or at least in an organised fashion otherwise this is going to get frustrating very, very quickly.
Manu_Ku, if you don't mind can you state what issue you currently have with us so we can address it and actually move on to productive play.
I can't quite explain it, but Manu's lack of reasoning actually reads as town, I believe she would have put forward some shotty reasoning to avoid being in the limelight as scum. Not feeling the same way about Scott though, he states that the only reasoning behind his vote on us is that nothing else scummy has occured and then turns around and states that his vote will remain on us until we release our heads.
Vote: Scotty
- Head Two.
Aren't you being a bit hypocritical though? I mean, you believe meta is a strong tool, yet you then use it on me. (Which is fine, but it seems like you are fine with using it, just not fine with people using it on you)
And I'll try to be as organized as possible.-
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Scott, please answer this question: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p3080683
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[winger] wrote:Wait, did we really have a jailkeeper claim? On day one? On PAGE one? With no votes down?
I'm not sure I follow why that happened, exactly. DK, why did you feel the need to claim?
That was exactly what I thought. Seems either he claimed so that he wouldn't be pressured in the future, or he might usually be used to that in smogon type mafia or something.
@Phoenix: Eh? What do you mean? I don't know what you are talking about.
@Mastin: Ok that's fine... I don't like giving out town reads early myself but I ask because you shouldn't give out town reads so easily without reason. I look forward to WHY you have gotten the town reads.
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Ok. Honestly I would think the scum team wouldn't be paried together, though. Since the mod would have to randomize the list. I feel as though Khan is just anti-town and not really scummy. Need more from him.
@Silver: You should ask your suspect questions then, instead of sitting around and waiting for SCUM TO SLIP per say.-
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@Mastin:
Right. Can you compare this to his possible town games? Again, why does this make him scum and not null?
Explain what he did the last two games as scum, that he is doing here. Bring up quotes too.
You are saying Khan could possibly have been 3 or 4 in your demonstration, but that is only speculation. Of course, I hope you have some questions for him to draw reactions from.
Yes, it was long.
@Hiraki: Please don't be a hypocrite. You haven't said much yourself.-
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Hiraki wrote:
I'm not being a hypocrite.Ranmaru wrote:@Hiraki: Please don't be a hypocrite. You haven't said much yourself.
I've at least managed to get 8 posts out about the game, while the person who enters on Page 4 gets barely 5 lines, most of them lacking use.
Ok.
Why exactly are you voting Scott?
What are your reads on: Me, Mastin, Khan, Mana ku, Sky, and Phoenix?
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Expand on that.
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- Scott Brosius: 3 (Hiraki, Kublai Kahn, Skyquiem) L-5
Skyquiem: 2 (Scott Brosius, Mana_Ku) L-6
Kublai Kahn: 1 (mastin2) L-7
Mana_Ku: 1 (Ranmaru) L-7
Silver1337: 1 (RisingPhoenix) L-7
Not Voting: 6 (inHimshallibe, [winger], DeityKabuto, Silver1337, gorilla, Reya Cookiebringer)
With 14 players, it takes8to lynch.
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Being scummy may be anti-town, but not the other way around.
Anti-town means that the person may be either scum or town, but are also being 'hurtful' to town. (For example, Dk here being apossibletown Jk, and then not even explaining his vote on me; What he is doing is hurtful to town but it doesn't make him scum, just something that you should press and look into further)
But your point about multiple factions seems good, actually. Sorry if you do actually know what Anti-town means. I'm used to looking for scum, so I'll concede to that.
Yes, I don't know why he is able to explain his reads and yet doesn't really have a good reason to back it up. That is anti-town, and so was his pre-mature claim.-
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I think he has the right to call bullshit on Mastin though. I know Mastin's reasoning wasn't good, but it's good that Khan points out what Mastin may have been trying to do in addition to seeing what Mastin may try to explain.
Yes, it was. I have been in a ton of games since then. Here, and offsite. As you could see, I was usually attacking weaker players or gunning for inactive/lurker/useless lynches. Eventually the whole town imploded though. If you would like links to other finished onsite/offsite games, I could post those as well.-
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Sup Gorilla, will you post? :3
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- Scott Brosius: 3 (Hiraki, Kublai Kahn, Skyquiem) L-5
Skyquiem: 2 (Scott Brosius, Mana_Ku) L-6
Ranmaru: 1 (RisingPhoenix) L-7
Kublai Kahn: 1 (mastin2) L-7
Mana_Ku: 1 (Ranmaru) L-7
Silver1337: 1 (DeityKabuto) L-7
Not Voting: 5 (inHimshallibe, [winger], Silver1337, gorilla, Reya Cookiebringer)
With 14 players, it takes8to lynch.
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gorilla wrote:Ranmaru wrote:Hi Gorilla! Post thoughts now?
I'm thinking you need to start posting content instead of whitenoise junk,and the fact that you're asking others for thoughts but not really following up on the questions makes me think you're scum
leaning scum on scott for the dumb outrage/push on the hydra.
silver reads more noob than scummy
I don't get why DK was made to claim on page 1, that was really dumb
I don't have anyone else I particularly feel like commenting on atm
Parroting. You lurk alot too.Unvote Vote: Gorilla
DK wasn't MADE to claim. Lrn2read. He asked to claim, Mastin said yes, so he then claimed.-
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gorilla wrote:I misremembered how things went, w/e
just because someone else said it doesn't make it true: you've been posting for the sake of posting. I'm lurking in the early stages of day 1 and I don't care how you perceive me for it, I'll comment when I see fit.
What??? Explain how you misremembered how things went.
No I haven't, there is more to me than meets the eye. Your only lead is that you THINK I am posting to just post. What else do you think of me then, if you aren't parroting?
You are lurking so that when you see others give suspicions, you can simply prey off of their suspicions and simply agree without having to really give a genuine opinion yourself. You have viewed many many times but never did you say this before Phoenix or Sky has brought up points against me.-
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gorilla wrote:Ranmaru, I read page one when the thread opened and thought mastin had goaded DK into claiming, not that DK had offered to claim. I hadn't re-read that page when I posted again.
I think you're annoying, possibly scum as I said earlier.
Thank you for explaining my motivations to me, I like others to tell me what I'm doing because I'm not aware myself. I'll post when there's something for me to say. Yawn.
preview-edit: DK, I just don't always get into games right away with the voting and the arguing etc. A number of players have yet to post and I don't feel like my reads will be worthwhile until things get moving. I figured this game I'd wait with my vote until I have decent reason, and just talk until then.
My playstyle shouldn't be based on finding my alignment. I'm an active poster and if you read my completed games you could notice that. Don't like it, too bad. Possibly scum? That's not a reason, that is a possibility, and that falls in null because then you are REALLY saying "You can possibly be scum or town, dunno".
Oh I'm sure you WOULD. You are being hypocritical here because you also have been trying to say that my motivation per say is to fake contribute. Why shouldn't I try to read what your motivation is?-
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@Gorilla:
That was situational. I was very busy with school and such, I consider that my worst game.
I was talking about LEADS man. I then say "What else do you think of me" regarding leads. I'm sorry if I didn't come off as clear. I meant, what other leads do you think may cause you to believe I am scum?
Why do I come off that way now, as opposed to your previous read of me?
@Phoenix: Khan isn't scum like Mastin says. Dk's early claim was really bad. Sky's first head is taking quite a while to post to "reveal" themselves. Gorilla's a parrot. The pokemon thing was just a joke. That is my opinion so far. I'm against pl's. Town's a bit slow activity wise.
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RisingPhoenix wrote:Ranmaru wrote:Khan isn't scum like Mastin says. Dk's early claim was really bad. Sky's first head is taking quite a while to post to "reveal" themselves. Gorilla's a parrot. The pokemon thing was just a joke. That is my opinion so far. I'm against pl's. Town's a bit slow activity wise.
First is unexplained, second and third are IioA, fourth as such can be called hypocrisy, fifth and seventh is fluff, sixth is completely null.
See how easy it is to take any post and call it whatever you want?
Let's use the same subjects: My turn.
I think you're coasting on asking others to contribute while not providing any contribution of your own.
I think the Mastin vs Khan debate is a waste of space; Under the precept Mastin has at least an ounce of grey matter his "Khan was scum, thus he is scum" push is a joke, Kublai pushing a PL on Mastin is, frankly, understeadable (walls are anti-town, Mastin is unable to summarize thought patterns, thus Mastin is anti-town), but I wouldn't take that as a basis to advocate a lynch on Mastin, at least until day 2 or 3 and we notice he has YET to post anything readable. Regardless there's a fairly acceptable chance that Emp would've shot in Mastin's direction given the latter's known playstyle. Can anyone confirm or deny Empking's N0 vig policies? All this to say, lynching Mastin day 1 would be IMO poor play.
I think DK dug his own grave when he asked day 1 if he should claim, as that was a very clear indication that he had a PR he thought he should share with the class. Plays surrounding the policy of claiming said PR could have been handled better (supposing he hadn't claim, there'd have been a chance for scum to wifom themselves into thinking he'll be doc protected as the one outed role). People saying "the claim was terrible" is NOT people posting content. We know it was, get over it.
The debate surrounding the identity of hydras is a stance. Considering they got the role after forming the hydra, saying they want to hide their scum meta is IMO paranoia. It's just as likely they want to hide their identity to be able to play without having to fear having a bullet put through their skull because their name begins with Gl and ends with ork and they're thus qualified as giant threats. Heck, "Best Scum Performance" and "Best Third Party" winners and nominees systematically get giant target drawn on their back because they're "dangerous", so the town will lynch them over the smallest technicality. Similarly, strong town players getting NKed instantly because they don't suck have a damn legit reason to want to hydra: They're here to play a game, not speculate day 1 then get shot before the real thing is on. I think the people pushing for a head claim are paranoid. Not town, not scum, just paranoid.
Gorilla being a parrot is akin to you being a "what do you think about this thing I haven't addressed?", except he sounds more legitimate than you do, because at least he's putting an idea on the table, even if it's borrowed.
I'll give you the town is slow, since you're at what, L-6?
Yes I didn't explain it because I was waiting on Mastin's 'case' on him. I don't want his answer tainted by me. (Even though I have been telling him his reasons for ScumKhan = Null anyways). I didn't have much else to talk about. I mean, the town isn't as full force as one would expect. The best suspects we can get is Scott and Silver? I admit my suspicion of Gorilla is minor as well, but I'm trying to do what I can. Although I have already given my thoughts on Scott and Silver previously.
I usually try to ask questions and always think that asking about people's reads are the most important to ask about, so I usually do that and drop a few names to get discussion going. I'm not coasting though. I think your push on me is legit, and Sky's points on me were legit, yet Gorilla's were not in my pov.
I'm currently null on Mastin. I see alot of theory crafting and not as much scumhunting. I can symphathize with his unorganized manner because I myself can't organize well, which is why I try to read his walls because if you don't even TRY to read his walls, you yourself are being anti-town because you shut yourself down from allowing yourself to work with Mastin just because he posts long posts. Big deal. I'm against a pl on him though. (On anyone) I would rather lynch scum. Nah I don't know Emp's NO vig techniques.
Fair enough.
Fair enough. I just find it a bit annoying that they ask me for links to my games when I can't even check their own meta, you know? I think if they are good players trying to hide from being nk'd for their popularity, would SACRIFICE the right to ask for meta. Or rather I think they should. I'm not paranoid about them at all, because I'm fine with just observing their in-game actions.
I disagree.
My only suspects are Gorilla and Hiraki. I don't like that Hiraki is trying to cock block my play. Everyone else I just don't remember at the moment (meaning that is a sign they should post more) or aren't a worry to me.
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RisingPhoenix wrote:Ranmaru wrote:RisingPhoenix wrote:DeityKabuto wrote:Failing to do so would only give Ranmaru a reason to vote me.
You should vote Ranmaru then
Otherwise I'll have a reason to vote you.
... See where I'm going?
Uh, voting a confirmed townie not a good idea genius.
context clues, learn to see them.
I just don't think it's right that you vote him to vote others. Instead, why not ask him WHY he is voting PlayerX instead of me?-
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Silver1337 wrote:DeityKabuto wrote:Silver1337 wrote:Deity is catching my attention. He's changing votes waaaay too often.
Yea, keep in mind, it's not a scum tell. But I still want you to explain your way of lurker being your game play and how that is not scummy...
I have a reputation for making useless posts. They tend to be based on a good reason, but I don't really give very good examples. This includes mafia games outside of this site. Therefore, it's probably best I keep my mouth shut.
Also, I know changing votes on D1 isn't a scumtell,but this arouses my suspicion for D2.
Why? Dk has caught your attention with something that isn't a scumtell on D1? Can you explain that.-
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@Khan:
Yes but Silver freaked out after two votes. I can only see this as a newbie tell so it's null to me. (Thus why I am asking him a question)
Explain your Hiraki read a bit further please.
I actually disagree with Mastin on your scumminess. What he explains is just bad reads, not scum motivation.
I agree Mana seems to dislike Gorilla's play but has yet to place a vote. Is Manu new?
Winger/Gorilla I agree on. Gorilla > Winger.
Rp is legit.
@Everyone: Which of you have played with Empking before? Which of you all KNEW who he was?-
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gorilla wrote:Ranmaru wrote:Hi Gorilla! Post thoughts now?
I'm thinking you need to start posting content instead of whitenoise junk, and the fact that you're asking others for thoughts but not really following up on the questions makes me think you're scum
leaning scum on scott for the dumb outrage/push on the hydra.
silver reads more noob than scummy
I don't get why DK was made to claim on page 1, that was really dumb
I don't have anyone else I particularly feel like commenting on atm
Ok Gorilla. You vote Winger, but none of the scum reads you state here. Why is that?
Why is Winger Scum?-
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Kublai Khan wrote:[winger] wrote:Actually, KK, that's pretty accurate. I'm just waiting for someone to do something scummy, then pounce on them.
Funny story. You know what's a great strategy for scum? To say as little as possible until someone else messes up, then they can jump on the bandwagon.
Like Gorilla did. What do you think of Gorilla voting your scumread?
Ah, have you ever seen Hiraki as scum to know that it isn't his scum game as well?
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Right, but why didn't you vote at that time, instead of voting him after Khan voted Winger in his #211? You never even questioned/talked to Winger.
At the time, you had Scott as scum. Is this still your read on him?
Now now, please no insults.
Ok, why is that not a town question? How does that instantly make him scum?-
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mastin2 wrote:Khan is my alternative wagon.
Reason why's simple.
I currently do not believe winger is scum.
inHim has not provided me any content.
Reya is far too minor a suspect.
Hiraki I am not confident enough in to lynch.
Sky might,be a good lynch, but I'm not completely sold on Sky being scum, yet.might
Khan's really the best option.
What is your read on Brossius again?
How has your Khan read developed? Has he progressively done more scummy things? Have you ever played in games he was town? Did he do anything differently?
Why aren't you completely sold on Sky/Hiraki?-
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Mastin, why didn't you comment on DK's vote on Khan without much reason?
I disagree on Gorilla being town, hence my vote on him. I'd much rather keep Khan then Gorilla.
What do you think about Khan's #236?
Since you haven't really played with Khan as town, I find your meta read on him to be slightly biased. How is that case with his town game in it going? You say "By checking his townplay" Does that mean you haven't gotten around to it? What is taking you?
Mastin, if I said i'd not budge onto a Khan lynch, would you bring up 2nd or 3rd FoS lynches to compromise with the town? If so, who would those be?
@Khan: Why are you taking Reg's word, shouldn't you base your read on Gorilla's actions in-game? (Unless you have a town read on Sky, then that must be why you trust him)-
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RisingPhoenix wrote:haven't played with Emp, or if I did I forgot since i've been on hiatus-ish
ambivalent on [winger]. I have gut town on him, but at the same time my last gut on him was wrong so... I'm keeping my vote on Ranmaru though, my read is just as strong as it was when I first made the vote
RisingPhoenix wrote:Why is everyone ignoring the fact that Ranmaru has done basically F-all besides ask questions?
That's a lie. I have done more than that. I can argue that you yourself haven't done much. You only responded to my question about Empking so far and gave a read about Winger. (Quote above ^ ) Your best post was when I actually asked about your opinion, which I did like. Of course, I can give you that there isn't many leads to go off of so I don't blame you.-
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Mana_Ku wrote:@Ranmaru
I'm assuming you're saying Gorilla is parrotting as he took the arguments from Sky and Phoenix. The attack from you comes basically down to: You lurked so that you could use the arguments from somebody else against a different player! To reinforce this attack, you mentioned that Gorilla was many times online, but never posted this argument until Sky and Phoenix had mentioned it. And that was your mistake. Because all your posts calling Gorilla out to post, came after Sky and Phoenix had posted their reasons. So if you saw Gorilla view New York before this part, why didn't you 'poke' him then?
I'd also like to hear from you what the difference between Gorilla and [winger] is.
Ugh, Silver is so scummy for reasons mentioned, for suspecting Deity, but not Hiraki who's doing the same and for what Hiraki pointed out about him immediatly responding to him after suspicions were shown against Silver. But I don't see his claim reaction come from scum.Lemme think this over.
@Khan
The time's not there yet to tell. After my explanation, you'll see why. To add, the same goes about that player I've mentioned.
@Ranmaru
Khan was talking about my vote against Sky. I had no intention to vote Gorilla FYI and I don't have it now as Gorilla's not scummy. Btw, I'm not new as you can see from my join date.
I've played with Empking before. But he probably has forgotten about it.
[Winger]'s rethorical question towards Khan is terribad ._.
Will look at pages 10 and 11 later.
What do you mean? How can I address his reads if he hasn't given them before that? I could only argue about his actions once he has done them. He then voted Winger a few posts after Khan did. I could be wrong, but his reason for it was very bad. If you are still confused, please address with quotes so I can understand. I think I poked him when I saw him. Even before Sky and Phoenix, I was ok with poking at people to post.
Sorry, I don't really look at the join date, I was just looking at how you played.
Winger also is sidelining. Not really a difference I think. Pressure is already being directed towards him, as well. I still don't think Gorilla's reason for voting him was good.
About Silver. Ask for his reads. Simplest way to start, and then question his motives from there on.
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Kublai Khan wrote:Ranmaru wrote:@Khan: Why are you taking Reg's word, shouldn't you base your read on Gorilla's actions in-game? (Unless you have a town read on Sky, then that must be why you trust him)
If RegFan is sticking his neck out for gorilla. So..
gorilla-scum/Skyquiem-town pairing is very, very unlikely
gorilla-scum/Skyquiem-scum pairing is unlikely
gorilla-town/Skyquiem-scum pairing is possible
gorilla-town/Skyquiem-town pairing is possible
So gorilla isn't likely scum.
Can you explain how each scenario isn't/is possible? I don't really know anything about Reg so need your help.-
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@Mana_Ku: Hmmm, you are correct, damn. I think I have seen him before but I thought he was going to post, and just didn't. I did poke others, just didn't poke him until after points were raised against me. I will concede to that point.
Although, that doesn't absolve Gorilla from his actions, because he could have stated those opinions before and it just sounded like repeated facts.
@Khan: Thank you. I just want you to substantiate your beliefs further, that's all. : D-
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