Mafia 3 (Improbable Role)

[Mike Amok]

Hey, quercitron.. The name's Mike Amok, not makemeok. Didn't you red my sign-up e-mail? Okay, I sure hope Sketchwick wasn't serious about his reasons, but I won't vote for him before he defends himself (unless, of course, he stays quiet for too long).eillid, I think you're maybe reading jeep's comment wrong.  He wasn't necessarily saying if Sketchwick is guilty, Raamawen must be, too.  Just that Raamawen would be next on his list of suspects, perhaps. I somewhat agree that he seemed suspicious by at first seeming to disassociate himself from Sketchwick by voting for him, but then adding a sort-of-defense of Sketch's bastardly behavior.

[Mike Amok]

makemeok is in my e-mail address, and is the name I've been using on the GL, mainly because I lost the password for mikeamok.  Mike Amok is the name I registered and use here.  Sorry for the confusion.Hey, I just noticed this... Mike Amok ;apologizes. Hm.  Weird.

[Mike Amok]

Seems pretty black and white to me... Lynching Sketchwick means lynching an innocent (unless you honestly believe he made all that crap up). ;Whether you think his role is helpful to the town or not, by lynching someone else, we may still get someone evil. ;Therefore, I vote: radwulf. ;Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong

[Mike Amok]

Ah, so he did... Trying so hard not to mix up all my games, I guess I blocked out some real-life things too.  *blush*Okay, well, he said he'd be back Wednesday.  I'll leave my vote for him since he should be back soon, and Sketchwick is too far ahead as it is.

[Mike Amok]

Huh.  Definitely odd for SK to be so quiet.  Could have something to do with her role, I guess.  But then, she did post once.  Well, it's something to go on.  Unvote: radwulf, Vote: SaberKitty.Pretty good catch, for a vegetable. [Edit for clarification: When I say could have something to do with her role, I mean she might have a role that limits her posting somehow. ;As opposed to being quiet as mafia strategy, which would obviously have something to do with her role, just not how I meant. Blah, blah, blah...]

[Mike Amok]

Ah, crap...  Unvote: SaberKitty, Vote: radwulf.  Sorry to make you the scapegoat, radwulf, but it's the only way to save SK, and I have more reason to believe she's innocent than you.  Anyway, probably won't make a difference since we're apparently past the deadline, and SK is still ahead one vote anyway, by my count.Mike Amok hopes SaberKitty's lying, I guess.

[Mike Amok]

[Mike Amok]

8O

[Mike Amok]

Well, no revelations here, but since it looks like sweetwater will die soon, I may as well add my opinions on the issues brought up so far.

The first post story's description of the Mafia as "boring Mafia" strongly suggests to me that the Mafia

don't

have colorful, improbable roles like the rest of us. So Luna and mith seem to be pretty much in the clear. Kind of makes sense to make mith's investigations basically worthless when he's got the supervote goin' on. I understand jeep's skepticism, but I think he's likely barking up the wrong tree (no plant puns intended, here). I have good reason to believe jeep is innocent, though, so don't think I'm FOSing him.

You know, I was just thinking... That was a good amount of time the site was down and the game was on hold. I hope nobody's forgotten their roles.

Sorry, I know this post is sort of unorganized. I think it's most likely SK's vote-from-beyond was either a random bandwagon or just whoever was ahead at the time; seems pretty zombie-like. Anyway, no credible information there, I think. Let's see, what else...

As usual, I'm uneasy about lynching a completely inactive person. *Checks* Hmm... Well, not

completely

inactive, at least. sweetwater has posted once ever, a few days ago. There is, of course, some possibility that his improbable role requires him to be silent... but that doesn't seem very fun. Anyway, I'm not going to make a fuss over it... I hope for the best, but expect to be disappointed.

Guess I really don't have much to add. Pretty typical, I guess. I mean, I always feel clueless, but having to put what little there is to say into one post seems to magnify one's cluelessness, doesn't it. I take comfort in the fact that one of you will likely go through the same tomorrow.

Suppose I should vote... Well, sweetwater's not the only silent one, here. groza's still in the game, isn't he? He has not posted since the game started, despite being active in other threads.

Vote: groza

. Feel free to join my bandwagon, folks. And if he shows up with a good excuse, feel free to abandon it.

[Mike Amok]

Plant life

sucks. Awful timing with my post, yesterday. When I said that sweetwater had only posted once ever, I was referring to a sign-up thread for another game. I forgot he had posted as unregistered in

this

thread. That does change things. Whereas an inactive person might not be able to post or might have forgotten about the game, sweetwater has no excuse for being so quiet. And yet I saw people saying there was no longer reason to vote him, when popping up just to defend himself seemed even more suspicious to me.
Anyway, it was just frustrating not being able to voice my opinion.

Real cute, animal guy. Are you working for the Mafia, then?

[Mike Amok]

This is becoming my most frustrating and confusing game...

[Mike Amok]

Well, I'm hesitant... But do you think the role you claim is really that powerful, radwulf? 50% chance for 3 people? Compared to 100% for one person, that's only 50% more than a regular doctor. Of course I'm not saying that such a role wouldn't be useful, or that I'd want to lose it, but would the Mafia really sacrifice one of their own for a doc-and-a-half? I'm inclined to think that that's not such a bad deal...

[Mike Amok]

Hah.

[edit]Oh, and I'd like to point out that Antrax and

I

are in no way affiliated, but I didn't want to add a third post in a row.[/edit]

[edit2]Hmm, does it only show the "last edited" line at the bottom for

other people's

posts? Freakin' me out, man.[/edit2]

[edit3]Well now it shows it... But it says it's only been edited once (or I guess it'll say twice now). Is this a bug?[/edit3]

[Mike Amok]

For one thing, if you're Mafia, and we lynch someone innocent, you'd basically be taking someone down with you (which is pretty much all you

could

do at this point if you're Mafia, bar some wild gambit).

[Mike Amok]

If I'm mafia and if you lynch someone innocent... you are making a lot of assumptions.

I am making no assumptions.

You

asked "if I'm mafia..." I answered

your

question.

[Mike Amok]

Isn't that what you said in the first place, Neo?

3 smoke bombs which may be used once each. They block that persons ability for the night. I used one on radwulf, night 2.

2 fake pistols which may be used once each. They force that person to reveal their alliance (town or mafia). I used one on radwulf during the night and was told mafia.

Am I missing somewhere where you said otherwise?

jeep

's mistake, I think. I see no reason not to believe both Neo and Sketchwick (and

jeep

and Raamawen and Luna), for the time being.

[Mike Amok]

*looks over the

corpse

of

radwulf

*
There goes my "Mafia don't have improbable roles" theory... Time to review.

[Mike Amok]

And Sketch, your not a weasel anymore.

Not in the literal sense, at least. 8)

[Mike Amok]

Sure, Neo. Already got one ready. Hope quercitron doesn't mind.

2 eillid (jeep, Raamawen)
2 ralphmerridew (MiriYami, Soothsayer)
1 mole (Dragon Phoenix)

10 to lynch. No deadline yet.

[Mike Amok]

quercitron, you are like the mod from

Hell

!

Vote: ralphmerridew

.

[Mike Amok]

MiriYami, your "craft" wouldn't happen to be robotics, would it?

IS is replacing

Beaudoin

.

[Mike Amok]

Of course ralphmerridew is absolutely right! We should

only ever

lynch people who have

hard evidence

against them. *goes back to sleep*

[Mike Amok]

I would expect

Sherlock Holmes

to be more observant.

Raamawen, when you say your investigation failed, that means you got a different result from when you just found people to be

illogical

?

[Mike Amok]

Basket-weaving cults, maybe.

Almost had a heart attack when I saw Antrax's post.

..

Somehow I got mixed up and thought he had died already.

[Mike Amok]

Calm down, Antrax. He didn't even vote for you. Let's not forget that he

was

dead for a while. It even slipped

my

mind that Neo had checked you.

[Mike Amok]

Correct me if I'm wrong. We

don't

know Sketchwick is mafia, at all. He

claims

to be Johnnie Cochran,

not

mafia, but

appears

to be mafia to investigators if he targets mafia that night.

Also, Cadmium, I would like to hear your reasons for believing jesternl is innocent. If I recall correctly, he refused to believe Neo and backed radwulf just before he was lynched. Do you know something I don't know?

[Mike Amok]

Okay, that's the part I wasn't sure about. Point is, Cadmium should probably stop saying "we know Sketchwick is mafia."

[Mike Amok]

Simple: we don't. 8) (At least

I'm

not convinced.)

And what about jesternl?

[edit]That "we don't" was in response to Cadmium's asking why we believe Sketchwick[/edit]

[Mike Amok]

Well, I'm not sure I know what you mean. But Corsato is, indeed, on my list, too, so I'll go with it.

Vote: Corsato

[Mike Amok]

Hm. Well, I was initially very skeptical, especially considering he didn't tell us anything we didn't already know. However, a quick review of his actions so far didn't reveal anything that seemed contradictory. But if Cadmium wants to put his neck on the line, I don't see the harm... Unless he's just being dumb, of course. You're not being dumb, are you, Cadmium? Is this actually based on info you have from your role's ability, or have you deduced something just from the thread?

[Mike Amok]

Actually, I take it back - I do see something contradictory. (Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.)

Corsato, you claim you checked jeep night 4. And this was

after

he had been revealed as a mason on day 3. Right?

What were you thinking?

[Mike Amok]

But was that

your

reason for being so sure, Cadmium? And if so, why didn't you say so?

IS, radwulf was mafia, and therefore part of a group.
The only living people directly confirmed innocent by dead people are jeep (by Raamawen) and Antrax (by Neo (unless, of course, the Godfather was immune to fake pistols (but even then, he has been confirmed by other living people))).

Um... Corsato, if Raamawen was lying about jeep, and jeep went along with it, one would have to think they were in a

group

(mafia) together, right? So either way, you get "in love." Useless.

Shall we hear your other "investigations?"

[edited to change

you're

to

your

...

ugh.

]

[Mike Amok]

Excellent, Cadmium. Any reason you shouldn't reveal who else you've investigated (or at least if jesternl was one of them)?
How many mafiosi are there likely to be? My list is down to 3 or 4 people (not counting Corsato).

[Mike Amok]

But if you got Corsato as "rich" and he is mafia, then it is likely anyone who you

don't

get as "rich" is innocent. Unless only the Godfather is rich, or something. Either way, I don't think there's any harm in it, so more info for the town is better.

unvote: Corsato

for the moment, just so the day doesn't end too soon.

[Mike Amok]

Oh. Hm.

[Mike Amok]

"Going radwulf," indeed. I was just thinking, reading

your

posts, Corsato, how radwulf-esque your "give me one night, you can always lynch me tomorrow" sounded.

Revote: Corsato

.

In other news, I could've sworn mole said he was an amateur, too.

[Mike Amok]

Um.. I think you cast the lynching vote, there, Luna. But just in case, I'll

unvote: Corsato

again

.

[Mike Amok]

Must've gotten stuck in traffic.

[Mike Amok]

As Sketchwick pointed out, the new killer is probably the "Flying Pumpkin that Shoots Laser Beams Out of its Ass." I assume this is a vigilante type role (and therefore innocent). From my info, it would have to be one of Antrax, DP, and jesternl.

Good to finally know Sketchwick is innocent.

I have to say, I'm sick of sweetwater signing up for games and then not participating.

Crap, I just realized I forgot to take Sooth off my list when he died... My list of possible mafia is now down to DP and jesternl.

Vote: DP

.

Hold on, one more thing. What do you mean, mole, six people sent targets and three didn't? Should be 11 total, shouldn't?

[Mike Amok]

Okay, so you just weren't counting jeep and sweetwater. That fits perfectly, then.

[Mike Amok]

You're misremembering. jesternl never claimed to be an actor. I believe he's implied that he has a night ability, possibly investigative? Anyway, he's on my list because nobody has confirmed him innocent. Same for DP.

I don't know where the flying pumpkin originated from, but it's some GL mafia in-joke, isn't it? quercitron mentioned it in the sign-up thread, though.

[Mike Amok]

Nice. Okay,

unvote: DP

.

If you've decided sketchwick is mafia, why are you voting IS? Do you think we have more than one left? (Honestly asking.)

It's true that IS hasn't been cleared by anybody. But neither have I and neither has jesternl. However, I

am

innocent, and I can vouch for IS.

Vote: jesternl

.

Now I'm not sure I understand, Antrax... Do we say

pumpkin-vote: sketchwick

, for instance? And you can do it during the day? Or are you just volunteering this yourself?

[Mike Amok]

So everybody is cleared but me, IS, and jesternl. Correct?

[Mike Amok]

Good. Because IS and I are

A

c

t

o

r

s

.

(I hope he doesn't mind me outing him.) We didn't know each other at the beginning of the game, but we knew to use colors in our posts (by name or in colored text) to identify ourselves. I thought it would be painfully obvious long ago, but apparently not. If you doubt, feel free to look back to the beginning of the thread. You won't be able to see the colored text anymore, but Beaudoin(IS) and I both had "red" in our first posts. Unfortunately, you won't see anything from sweetwater.

Confirm vote: jesternl

.

[Mike Amok]

What he said.

Although, "methodical cop" would be improbably probable for improbable role mafia, I suppose.

[Mike Amok]

AGHh...

[Mike Amok]

Care to claim your role now, DP?

I'd like to hear what Sketchwick's been up to, too.

Sorry, jesternl.

[Mike Amok]

I'm really sorry, mole... It looked to me like everybody had been positively cleared except jesternl. I

thought

there was no way jesternl could have been innocent.

As for DP being "cleared," remember that we haven't gotten the Godfather yet. It could be that Antrax's aiming ability couldn't pick up on the Godfather's guilt.

I'm also wondering if MiriYami's ability works differently on the Godfather, or even the last remaining mafioso (since radwulf couldn't accept because he couldn't leave his family, right?).

Also, I disagree that IS was cleared by jesternl, since a cop certainly wouldn't pick up on the Godfather. However, I

know

he is an actor, and I cannot fathom that quercitron would be cruel enough to put the Godfather in the mason lodge.

If you really think I'm a mafioso clever enough to pick up on the use of colors after like one post, before the game even started, when it seems like

nobody

else figured it out through the entire game, up to when I explained it, then there's really nothing I can say, I guess. If you honestly believe that, then you're probably already as convinced of my guilt now as I was of jesternl's.

Also, wasn't there a mafia kill when Sketchwick said he targetted me?

DP, could you say if you used your ability to target someone the night mole did his thing?

[Mike Amok]

Actually, I guess there were quite a few posts by jeep and Beaudoin before my first post. Bleh.

[Mike Amok]

Actually, I think sweetwater had about five posts total, and I only caught one which had a color (yellow). I did have sweetwater as a possible actor in my notes for a while, but I didn't see any more evidence of it.

By the way, was there ever an explanation given for why eillid's ability worked when Sketchwick claimed to have blocked her?

[Mike Amok]

Yeah, he does have a point.

MiriYami, I don't find it unusual at all that IS isn't convinced of your innocence. It

seemed

like everybody had been cleared, but it is obvious now that things are not what they seem.

Something

we had previously taken for granted must be wrong.

[Mike Amok]

Sketchwick, since MiriYami answered your question, are you ready to tell us who you targetted?

[Mike Amok]

Did I miss something? How do we know DP didn't target anyone?

[Mike Amok]

Also, if the mafioso does have a special ability, couldn't that person account for two targets on your list, mole? Six targets does not necessarily mean six people sending targets. Did quercitron specifically say six people sent targets?

[Mike Amok]

Right. So if DP is mafia, he

did

send a target. Of course, if we believe Sketchwick's role, that seems to clear DP. Which leads me to think that the mafia is someone already on that list.

[Mike Amok]

Well, I'm not sure you would be clear, since you didn't accept. But that does sound like a possibly good idea.

[Mike Amok]

Bah, I dunno. I still find it terribly unlikely MiriYami is recruiting mafia or something. But Sketchwick's idea seems very practical.

quercitron, is the lynching machine still malfunctioning? If so, what percentage is it up to, and is it possible for it to kill more than one random voter a day?

[Mike Amok]

Heh. Oops? Don't tell me you forgot about it and I just reminded you...

[Mike Amok]

Well, I think it would make sense that DP, having already seen three fellow mafia scum attempt to claim roles and fail miserably, would pull this "I would claim my role, but I can't cause it would be really bad trust me." His last statement is ridiculous, by the way.

I haven't voted yet because I honestly am not sure which is the best way to go. I don't see what's wrong with being "afraid to commit" when we don't know what info we can trust. I don't share DP's optimism for a town win, seeing as we could lose 3 innocents in a row right now. But anyway.

MiriYami, I thought I had been pretty talkative the last couple (real time) days. I thought Luna and mole were being really quiet. I certainly wasn't intentionally being quiet, though I was waiting to hear a clear opinion from mole.

I still would be very surprised if the mafia was not between DP and Sketchwick. The two people I do trust are voting for the latter, so I will also

vote: Sketchwick

.

[Mike Amok]

Actually, I'll

unvote: Sketchwick

, and say that I

intend

to vote for Sketchwick (

see, Antrax? It can be done!

), but will hear him out if he has anything to say.

[Mike Amok]

No, I voted for you because I believe either or both of you and DP is/are mafia. I'm actually more suspicious of DP, but since it's not much more, and since I trust that IS and mole do not have ulterior motives behind their votes, I have no reason not to go along with them.

I unvoted you because I'm in no hurry to end the day, and thought you might have something more to say in your defense.

Just for clarification, you think I'm both actor and mafia?

[Mike Amok]

Blah... I read the "if nobody reaches a majority" part wrong, quercitron... I don't suppose you'd let me throw my vote in...

[Mike Amok]

Sorry, IS. As I said, I read wrong and thought there was only going to be a no-lynch if the vote was tied. I would've gladly revoted Sketchwick, but I figured the machine would be that little bit more likely to take DP too if I didn't.

[Mike Amok]

MiriYami, where are you?

[Mike Amok]

Eh, yeah. I suppose. Although I would like to hear from Luna sometime this day, like if she says she wasn't blocked, then I'd much rather lynch Sketchwick, obviously. But he probably did block her, unless he was feeling really lucky about lying.

[Mike Amok]

So why didn't you "protect" Sketchwick last night, seeing as you were voting for him yesterday? You stated pretty clearly you thought a no-lynch would be bad. What would be the difference if you had killed him instead?

[Mike Amok]

The only reason Sketchwick wasn't lynched was because I screwed up. There were enough people who wanted him dead that it should have happened. If you didn't want him to die, what were you doing voting for him? Whether you were 100% convinced or not has nothing to do with it. I'm far from convinced of your guilt, but you've done nothing to make me think you're innocent.

Anybody want to wait till Wednesday? I'm a patient man.

[Mike Amok]

And what if you and Sketchwick are mafia? Then you're trying to make yourself look innocent and set up a lynch of Miri or me tomorrow.

And how would lynching you be throwing the game away, when lynching Sketchwick is "no harm done" even if he's innocent?

[Mike Amok]

Actually, if you and Sketchwick are mafia, it might be wiser to lynch Sketchwick today, in case he does block people at night, to make sure he doesn't block Miri, so she can invite me, since I'm the only person she hasn't checked yet, right? Phew, long sentence.

[Mike Amok]

Alright.

Vote: DP

.

[Mike Amok]

Um. Hm. Well, I was of course invited by MiriYami, and given the choice. I have chosen to accept, though I guess that doesn't matter much unless we choose to not lynch today.

[Mike Amok]

*waves to Miri*

*sits back and twiddles thumbs*

[Mike Amok]

Well, it's good to be relatively sure about something. Unless Luna anticipated Sketchwick would "block" me or Miri, and chose not to kill to make that person look guilty to him (yeah right).

Vote: Sketchwick

.

So what happens today if there's a tie?

[Mike Amok]

For the record, I'm here. Welcome back, Miri.

[Mike Amok]

Well, that's a relief. As everyone has already said, excellent game, quercitron.

*weaves a basket*

Mmhm, pretty.