New York 146 Zach's Insane Mafia World (OVER)

[jon_h61]

For now I'll be waiting to see who's lead I'll follow, since I don't have any knowledge of what's gone before. Sorry about being late to the party, was busy all day.

[jon_h61]

Changed my mind if Red said he was a bodyguard guarding the cop, and said cop died last night, something smells bad in Town
VOTE: RedFF

[jon_h61]

I apologize but at this stage I'm only a vote on what very little I hear, so until I hear more....

[jon_h61]

I guess I need to post something, I'm still just a vote waiting to find a lead that I'll follow. This is a very slow moving game right now, but I'm guessing it is because everyone is still trying to piece together what happened pre-crash.

[jon_h61]

I'm in a game that's added 8 pages in 2 days, so been pretty busy. It seems the general consensus is to lynch either DV or Jason. If anyone cares to, would you help me (who wasn't here pre Great-Crash) understand the cases on these two so I can make a better informed vote?? It'd be much appreciated.

[jon_h61]

I have Jason at 6 votes if I'm counting right.

@ Jason any reasons I shouldn't hammer you?

[jon_h61]

Between the two DV hits me more as scum, His appeals are mainly to emotion, while Jason tries to make his case on mechanics. My reservation is over the bookmark issue. Since neither is about to be lynched I'll place a vote on most likely scum IMHO.

VOTE: DeasVail

[jon_h61]

@ Mod forgot to unvote RedFF first, sorry

[jon_h61]

The arguements against Jason sound convincing. I also gave him a chance to better explain his lateness to game, but he didn't bite. Your argument would have helped me sooner (since this thread is all I have to work with). I may get a reputation as a vote jumper, but I'm looking for scum.

VOTE: Jason

[jon_h61]

Which question? Appeals to emotion? They are neither a Town or scum-tell. Period

[jon_h61]

I wonder how the people who've been gone for the weekend feel on the DV vs Jason issue. Also did anyone supply any preGreat-Crash data? I feel like I'm gambling more than investigating with the little I have to work with.

[jon_h61]

Ghostlin is the only one who has expressed doubt about Alice, so I've been running on the assumption that she was confirmed Town. I didn't catch that until a reread after HavingFitz's last posts. Havingfitz has muddied that idea a bit more. I'm getting ready to go trout fishing this afternoon for a couple of days and won't be around much.

Again HF's arguments sound logical. I need to "park" my vote somewhere, so I'll come back and read any new posts before I leave and then decide where it will go.

@ MoI What is your opinion of Alice?

[jon_h61]

pedit: I attributed the post to HF it should have been MoI. Sorry, doing to many things at once. Substitue MoI for HF in last post. Again apologies

[jon_h61]

A valuable lesson is learned -NEVER play Mafia While severely distracted, the post I was refering to WAS HF's. I know this makes me look the fool and I apologize. Will set down for one last reread before I go. Still more packing and prep for trip so...

[jon_h61]

We have to finish and get going, I am not sure of anything right now. It'll be late tonight before I MAY get a chance to read the thread. I'm leaving my vote where it is cuz I don't really have time to do anything else. Sorry I'm not more help. After this trip I'll be a more active scum hunter.

[jon_h61]

@ Deas Is "I found so and so scummy" your way of scumhunting? I'd be a hard sell if that is your best argument. My understanding of you so far is, if anyone suspects or votes you, then they are scum?

[jon_h61]

@ RedFF Could you explain this to me? "Fairly sure they heavily implied they were going to block me again, if not outright saying it." From Post 161

[jon_h61]

With info from kamrun's ISO, and the fact that a bodyguard is still alive after so many failed attempts to protect the night kills-
VOTE: RedFF

[jon_h61]

@ Deas I only have what is in THIS thread to go on, so what is said here is all I have to go on. AM I supposed to wait until I have all the facts before I can vote? You keep trying to paint me as scum with weak arguments, but you can't change my alignment.

@ Red The question I asked you about earlier, the "they" was a hydra? If "they" were going to block you, why protect them??? Posts 154,and 161. I guess it may be possible that RedFF was blocked both times on his attempt at being a bodyguard, but I don't see why a jailkeeper would keep a bodyguard.

I'm trying to paint as clear a picture as I can of what happened before I showed up, but until I get it done I'm gonna "sheep" who I think is most likely Town. I AM listening to all arguments and trying to find holes in them that will point to scum.

@ Alice Thanks for the links to pre-Great Crash posts.

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@ MOI I read your post while in the preview pane and will reconsider my stance on Deas. I had written a long post on my suspicions of him, I'll try to see if it's just a bias I picked up, or something really worth pursuing.

NS is also on my radar. The way he joined the game was weird. He adds very little to hunting for scum. His push on Alice was suspicious, he shyly asks what people would think if he said "Alice is not necessarily conftown". He quickly backed off when he realized Town wasn't buying it. His accusing MOI of still being alive doesn't seem logical. I do agree with P196.

As far as my vote on RedFF I still don't like the whole bodyguard subject. I'm going to look even closer for inconsistancies.

DY's claim makes him suspicious, but I'm not convinced. I'm going to reread what pre-Rollback posts we have. So far I've read them only once in a very distracting environment.

[jon_h61]

UNVOTE: Thez I'm unwilling to see Thez lynched before Antiheroe gets a chance to comment on what has transpired while he is on v/la. Other than that I've lost interest in what the lurkers think becuase They are prob scum anyway.

Meat World interferes again, be back later.

[jon_h61]

OOPS wrong game so sorry.

[jon_h61]

I'm willing to move my vote to either NS or DV. I gave reasons earlier and will be willing to restate them if asked. I'm sure I'd be parroting mostly things already mentioned by others though.

[jon_h61]

I wrote up a post the other day, but didn't post it, I deferred to MOI's opinion of DV. A Reader's Digest version of previous post: His scum hunting tactics, him always finding anybody who mentions him as scum, him asking who he says are scum for advice, his AtEs, etc...
More specific things, he starts off calling HF and NS as Town. Later accuses both of being scum. Him trying to say Ghostlin was distancing his votes from Jason. His asking if NS is too helpful to be Town. The only thing NS had done was try to tentavely push a scum claim on Alice. In P158 he says he doesn't act erratically as scum, he only acts erratically as Town? He keeps trying to push suspicion on people with little to no evidence, scum do that.

[jon_h61]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NobodySpecial I've already stated NS and DV are my main scum candidates, and would be willing to vote either, or.

[jon_h61]

OK since the beginning of THIS thread Snake only posted twice, and from my understanding this was his play before the Crash. How did he avoid getting replaced?

@ NS I still think you are the best lynchee for today. Your accusations (to me) are so weak, and without any justifications to back them up that I have a very hard time seeing them coming from a Town perspective.

@ Tammie I absolutely see the arguments for you being the serial killer. But, thanks. Your questions have helped me to better understand a few things.

[jon_h61]

@ Magua thanks for the posts, I'm going to try to make some sense out of them and post later.

[jon_h61]

DV is who I thought was most likely scum all along, but noone went for my case..

VOTE: DeasVail

[jon_h61]

@ Magua From what I've seen him do in this thread, his freaking out and voting anyone that looks crosseyed at him, like P. 55 in reference to MoI's comments toward him.
His AtEs like P. 59. His very weak cases he has made on his defense, ie "MoI:, "I'm town, so... nah., I'm sure there's some interaction somewhere that makes it impossible for me to be scum with Jason.", his claiming DY should know his meta and that his meta proves he is Town.
His asking if NS is "appearing too useful To be Town" -NS hadn't done anything at that point I would consider useful to Town. NS had asked "Alice is not necessarily conftown" -- how would that be received?" and that was about it. I "feel" a lot of his posts are meant to baffle more than dazzle.

Yes I am starting to believe his claimed PR.

From the very short history I've had with DV and from what I've seen him do, I would be very shocked if he didn't with a little OMG I can't believe you did that thrown in.

[jon_h61]

@ DeasVail I know you are more experienced than me, but if you're Town, wouldn't that be against your win condition. Of course if your scum, which I still believe, go ahead.

[jon_h61]

@ MoI I'm fairly sure he isn't the SK, but why do you say he can't be scum?

[jon_h61]

That's why I said that, you still haven't explained why he can't be scum?

[jon_h61]

With your experience I expect you to run word circles around me, and maybe lynching me is playing to my win condition, since I've mainly just been trying to make sense of this game. It would let me concentrate more on my other games, rather than try to make sense of the mess Magua gave us.

Well I won't self vote.

[jon_h61]

Call for a policy lynch you want me dead so bad. Town sorry I wasn't more help, maybe after a few more games I'll be able to bow at MoI's feet.

[jon_h61]

I still bet Deas is scum though.

[jon_h61]

@ Deas Cuz if your Town isn't that against your win condition. Unless As MoI says You could use it to somehow find scum.

[jon_h61]

All the posts with no names or formatting Magua gave us.

[jon_h61]

I'm still not half way through and won't really have time for a few days to even try (MeatWorld) issues.

[jon_h61]

How is it against my win condition if I think your still scum? Besides if I tell you to self hammer would you do it? I said IF, your the one threatening to self hammer. Now you try to use it to paint me scummie? Like I said lynching me is most likely better for Town anyway. The only reason I replaced in was because I'd been waiting in the newbie que so long, (After the Crash) and didn't know most of this thread was gonna be talking about what PRs did and didn't do. I'll stick with Rome and Little Italy for several more game before I'll even try playing with you again.

[jon_h61]

I had what I thought were legitimate issues with RedFF, but MoI convinced me I couldn't possibly be right.

[jon_h61]

We have about 2 hours.

[jon_h61]

No I thought that his targets for protection dying all the time was scummie. And his post 177 where he said he had no motivation to show where kamrun said they were going to block him was suspiciou too.

[jon_h61]

He said 10 AM, that's in an hour and a 36 mins.

[jon_h61]

I'll tell you what, if I don't get lynched, I'll ask Mod to replace me, since I'm not up to par to be playing with you.

[jon_h61]

If you think it will profit Town I'll self vote this once.