New York 146 Zach's Insane Mafia World (OVER)

[Tammy]

I'm on page 41 of the cache...gonna try to finish reading *slow effing reader here*

Basically the town reads I have are gone. *Be more trustworthy people*

Alice, I still have a basically town read on. Magua, have to have a town read on, I don't even know who the hell his predecessor is in the cache, so gonna have to go with now.

I'm uncomfortable with DV, but I don't think scum uncomfortable, I just still think he's jumpy, gonna go town.

Thor/Jon - No, don't have a good impression of him. Nor do I have a good impression of NS. My problem is that NS seems a lot more focused and engaged in the earlier part of the game and just is gone now. Do not like at all. Especially hate the MoI's alive so is scum argument. *this could be a personal frustration - I'd almost lynch someone just for making this argument because I hate it so much so not very objective here*

My town read of HF is gone. Don't have a scum read as of yet nor can I explain it, but I don't think he's innocent. <--- is that middle roading or being wishy-washy...not sure.

Hate DY's catch up posts, but trying to accept site differences, so they might not be scum posts.

Redff - Is he still in the game. Why can't we lynch him again? Oh I remember...blech.

[Tammy]

^ I realize I just contradicted myself there. I said that DY's assertion that MoI was still alive sounded like town paranoia, and I do believe that. NS sounds like a fabrication, which is frustrating. (But, could also be because I just helped lynch someone because he suggested we prophylactically lynch someone who's a good player but hadn't done anything suspicious in a game, just to be safe.)

[Nobody Special]

Wait. I suggested what now?

[DeasVail]

Wait, aren't we really close to deadline now?

Do I self-hammer or not?

[jon_h61]

@ DeasVail I know you are more experienced than me, but if you're Town, wouldn't that be against your win condition. Of course if your scum, which I still believe, go ahead.

[MagnaofIllusion]

Do I self-hammer or not?

I'm not voting for you. I don't see you as Mafia and you can't be SK regardless of whether Darth is lying.

Self-hammer if you think your death would help Town out in the long run by exposing scum. Otherwise don't.

[jon_h61]

@ MoI I'm fairly sure he isn't the SK, but why do you say he can't be scum?

[MagnaofIllusion]

@ MoI I'm fairly sure he isn't the SK, but why do you say he can't be scum?

Are you paying attention to the game? Despite Alice's suggestion to the contrary yesterday did not play out as a lynch choice between two scum members.

You are 'fairly sure' he's not the SK? Darth claims he isn't. That means he's clear regardless whether Darth is lying or not.

Can we get two votes in here to hammer jon over Deas please?

[jon_h61]

That's why I said that, you still haven't explained why he can't be scum?

[MagnaofIllusion]

That's why I said that, you still haven't explained why he can't be scum?

And brilliant ... you haven't given REASON ONE why he is. Period.

Looking at your ISO you've given not reason 1 why ANYONE is scum.

Why can't you just die at this point?

[jon_h61]

With your experience I expect you to run word circles around me, and maybe lynching me is playing to my win condition, since I've mainly just been trying to make sense of this game. It would let me concentrate more on my other games, rather than try to make sense of the mess Magua gave us.

Well I won't self vote.

[jon_h61]

Call for a policy lynch you want me dead so bad. Town sorry I wasn't more help, maybe after a few more games I'll be able to bow at MoI's feet.

[jon_h61]

I still bet Deas is scum though.

[DeasVail]

Magna: Why would I know better than you regarding what my death will achieve?

Jon: Why didn't you just say you wanted me to self-hammer? And what mess?

[jon_h61]

@ Deas Cuz if your Town isn't that against your win condition. Unless As MoI says You could use it to somehow find scum.

[jon_h61]

All the posts with no names or formatting Magua gave us.

[jon_h61]

I'm still not half way through and won't really have time for a few days to even try (MeatWorld) issues.

[DeasVail]

But if I'm town, you voting me is against your win condition (unless you're scum).

I would expect that if you think I'm scum and want me lynched, you would much rather I self-hammer than risk a no lynch, because then you've either lynched scum or gotten rid of someone who was going to distract you from the actual scum.

What you said instead is what I'd expect from scum trying to look reasonable.

[havingfitz]

Wait, aren't we really close to deadline now?

Do I self-hammer or not?

Ok...I hate to say this but DVs last page or two have me doubting (gut) he's scum.

UNVOTE: for a bit.

Would still gladly go for red.

[jon_h61]

How is it against my win condition if I think your still scum? Besides if I tell you to self hammer would you do it? I said IF, your the one threatening to self hammer. Now you try to use it to paint me scummie? Like I said lynching me is most likely better for Town anyway. The only reason I replaced in was because I'd been waiting in the newbie que so long, (After the Crash) and didn't know most of this thread was gonna be talking about what PRs did and didn't do. I'll stick with Rome and Little Italy for several more game before I'll even try playing with you again.

[jon_h61]

I had what I thought were legitimate issues with RedFF, but MoI convinced me I couldn't possibly be right.

[DeasVail]

Thanks Fitz.

Can someone who has a better idea of timezones than me tell me when deadline is? Because I'm pretty sure Zach could come in and lock the thread any time now.

[jon_h61]

We have about 2 hours.

[havingfitz]

I had what I thought were legitimate issues with RedFF, but MoI convinced me I couldn't possibly be right.

I don't recall any pro-town cases on red that outweigh my suspicions towards him being the sk. I would still go for a NS wagon also if it materialized.

[havingfitz]

We have about 2 hours.

I misread the mod's deadline extension ...I thought we had until this evening. We have just shy of 3 hours. I'll be online via phone and will place a vote before time is up.