NY 166: Knight-Errant 18p - Game Over!

[Fegelein]

VOTE: notscience

If he's not science, then he's probably scum.

[Fegelein]

VOTE: Fegelein

Worst logic for a vote thus far.

Is this serious?

[Fegelein]

VOTE: Fegelein

Worst logic for a vote thus far.

Is this serious?

Are you seriously trying to take it seriously?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fegelein

[Marquis]

I'm asking him to clarify because that didn't seem like RVS.

[Fegelein]

This game has been up for hours now and it's still on the same page

fucking shameful

And you've done nothing to help that.

UNVOTE: notscience
VOTE: Vifam

[Fegelein]

This game has been up for hours now and it's still on the same page

fucking shameful

And you've done nothing to help that.

UNVOTE: notscience
VOTE: Vifam

smh

>complains about lack of activity
>does nothing to promote it

And it's not like you were powerless to do anything, you could have jumped on my wagon or NS's, or you could have commented on the brief exchange me and Marquis had.

[Fegelein]

This game has been up for hours now and it's still on the same page

fucking shameful

And you've done nothing to help that.

UNVOTE: notscience
VOTE: Vifam

smh

>complains about lack of activity
>does nothing to promote it

And it's not like you were powerless to do anything, you could have jumped on my wagon or NS's, or you could have commented on the brief exchange me and Marquis had.

I guess you are right but I'm not going to throw my two cents in on a quarrel on the first page of RVS

And I dont wanna hop on any wagons sooo

First point is fair enough.

Also, why?

[Fegelein]

(why is at second point btw)

[Fegelein]

Good to know.

[Fegelein]

Seriously though, it's sort of scummy, but that's only because I have nothing to go off yet.

[Fegelein]

Someone's got to be the opening bandwagon.

[Fegelein]

How is Feg gonna stop the wagon from chugging along

Who knows???

a wall

[Fegelein]

OK, time to revive the thread again with serious discussion:

I have Vifam and Beast down as my early 2 scum-reads, Vifam for his cautious, backseat attitude (although early-game) and failure to adequately explain why he didn't bandwagon and Beast because I think he was trying to justify an RVS vote, that's why I asked him to make sure.

[Fegelein]

And I have no real town-reads yet because the rest of the game has been RVS and Marquis trolling.

[Fegelein]

OK, time to revive the thread again with serious discussion:

I have Vifam and Beast down as my early 2 scum-reads, Vifam for his cautious, backseat attitude (although early-game) and failure to adequately explain why he didn't bandwagon and Beast because I think he was trying to justify an RVS vote, that's why I asked him to make sure.

So I'm scummy for not joining a bandwaggon during the RVS stage?????????????

No, you're scummy because you didn't explain it properly.

Anyway more reads:
Dopog is backseat scumhunting so some scum points go to him.
Want to see more of Meeps to reach a valid conclusion.
Concombre is Null.
I like Baldrick's attack on Concombre though. Seems Town orientated early on.

[Fegelein]

I am going to keep my vote on Fegelein. He didn't like my RVS reason, which was obvious RVS, so he pegs me as scum? It was my understanding that RVS was supposed to be some whack reason to vote someone and I did just that but apparently only I am suspicious for doing it.

Adbel is acting pretty scummy right now I can agree with that. I do not know if they have ever played forum mafia before though. I myself have never seen them play a game so I have no clue if they have a meta to base their reactions off of or not.

I think notscience's vote on themselves is really weird too. It might be a ploy to distract from the fact that they are scum. Kind of like the idiot approach, which doesn't work by the way. I can't say I have seen more scummy things from them in my point of view but self-voting is by far the weirdest thing I have seen in this thread making them a slight-scum read to me.

I would like to see more from KX and I am very interested in seeing how the people who haven't confirmed are going to reply to the thread thus far.

I know Fegelein and he asked me to join the game. I have played here before though so i am not sure how "new" that makes me. Also, most of the "new" people play forum mafia on a different forums. I am not saying which one because I do not want to advertise.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-54OpEwE0w

Seriously though, that's scum-play right there. That reasoning didn't seem like RVS and I called you out on it. Now I'm pretty sure you're lying to me. Whether or not is was RVS, you were trying to justify mine, which is scummy in itself.

Also, your tone is just as artificial as it was in that newbie game. You're making things way too long-winded and you're being too cautious to jump on the Abdel wagon.

You're trying too hard to appease the Town.

UNVOTE: Vifam
VOTE: Beast

I'll respond to the rest of this later, it's half past 5 in the morning at the moment.

[Fegelein]

And there's the newbie card by Abdel.

NOC = No Outside Contact.

[Fegelein]

^^^Not really a newbie card, but more of a I'm really a noob to NOCs.

You're still playing the newbie card, accept responsibility, don't try to weasel your way out.

Also, I caught up because I'm not tired:
Purple Rose's tone rubs me the wrong way.
Backseat scumhunting = Not hauling your ass to scumhunt, just sitting back, asking questions, throwing suspicion away from you. It's an overly cautious kind of play.
Hate Abdel's half-assed reasoning to jump on the Concombre wagon.
TPR's next post I don't get.
Baldrick is solifying his town read.
meeps is a little more serious than usual early on, something to note.
It's unfair to call him out on my bandwagon, I was an RVS bandwagon and if it gets the Town info, so be it.
Evil Regals provides us with backseat scumhunting 101.
This Baldrick wagon is shite.
If anything, Baldrick has the strongest vote on Conc, so the reasoning makes it even worse.
Beast trying way too hard.
I like the way Conc thinks on Beast
Love his reasoning on Abdel
Conc is now a town-read

[Fegelein]

And why can't Fegelein, Baldrick and Concombre be Scumbuddies? Those are the three that are suspected the most by the playerbase.

What a blank accusation to get a bandwagon on people who are also suspected as well as yourself.

Also, Conc, no buddying about it. I'm just saying I like your reads, and they seem Town, which turns your initial Null read to Town.

[Fegelein]

I'm not even sure if you're serious, Fege.

The reasonings for both Baldrick's and Concombre's votes are probably the worst so far.

[Fegelein]

Dat OMGUS vote. Even more proof you're scum, Concombre.

I'm not being aggressive cuz I'm still new to NOC, so I don't wanna mess up.

This hurts my eyes. It's ok to make an "oh my god you suck" vote when indeed your vote on concombre sucked...

I am slightly surprised by fege's reason for suspecting me. I wasn't aware I was in the back seat, given that I called out abdel twice and that's the leading wagon now. I'm not sneaking my way onto it.

I'm still happy with my vote, naturally.

You backseat scumhunted in your post against Vifam. Also, Abdel already had votes.

Also, just want to make this crystal clear:
ABDEL BANDWAGONING ME IS NOT SCUMMY. IT'S AN RVS WAGON, I DON'T MIND BEING BANDWAGONED EARLY GAME, BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TO AND IT GETS US SOME INFORMATION.

But yeah, the rest of Abdel's play is very scummy for reasons I've made clear in my interactions with him and reasons that would just be parroting. I won't switch to him yet because I don't want people to pre-maturely hammer him, and the fact that I'd like to hear more from Beast.

The rest of Katrina's post is pretty good, a little bit recycled, but with that many votes on the Abdel wagon, it's slightly understandable.

[Fegelein]

And now Katrina is either being paranoid or is grasping at straws for the Baldrick wagon (although I will agree that the wagon is utter shite).

I'm accusing Beast because meta. He has a scum meta of trying to be "Mr Nice Guy", and while that's not always the case (there was a Mini Normal game where he was actually Town and I was accusing him for the same reasons), his town play has been quite brash recently.

And I'm keeping my vote on Beast for the time being because nobody else seems to be questioning him.

[Fegelein]

Not including HD and NS, who regularly go on this site, this is the list of my "group":
dopog
Beast
Concombre
meeps
Abdel
KX
Roy (who seems to have died)

Vifam isn't part of my group at all, I've never played with him before, though I have seen him about.

[Fegelein]

Fegelein, I have played a total of 2 NOC games and I believe I played the same in both of them. That means my meta is the same as scum/town. I feel you are afraid that I am going to be scum in all games I play and be pro-town thus tricking the village into not lynching me. So my options are play pro-town and get lynched no matter what my alignment or lurk and get lynched for lurking. I could very well be an inspector which is supposed to take an active role in my opinion and you would still jump on me for playing the game the way I play.

I know this is how you play though and my scum game was awesome except where i basically admitted I was scum and still won somehow.

I am going to agree with Katarina and say I wish people would make more valuable posts rather than just non-content ones.

Conc I think said they want me to post more so the can ridicule me. I have posted plenty for you to attempt to ridicule me on.

I'd be very willing to discuss this, but I can't speak about SOHV at the moment since not finished and I'm the host.

I'll give you credit, your argument wasn't too bad until you breadcrumbed. Gives me the feeling you don't want to be lynched.

Also, if this is how I play normally, why is your vote still on me? Given the fact I only have 1 scum NOC game to my name.

Also nice parrot and attempt to act "Pro-town".

[Fegelein]

@Fegelein:

How am I back seat scum hunting?

notscience is clearly bandwagoning and trolling.

Then again, he may be Vanilla Townie and has nothing better to do, so I'm holding off my vote on him.

Why are you speculating possible roles of certain people due to their behavior.

You're doing it in this very post.

And yes, it's actually my own tell and it's not complete shit either.

Evil seems to be alarmed that I'm calling them out.

[Fegelein]

@fege, how did the logic gap I pointed out make sense to you?

Abdel bandwagoning Conc was scummy. RVS bandwagoning is not scummy to me.

[Fegelein]

So then what information is there to be gained from an early game bandwagon, simply reactions to it, you can't judge people who either jump or don't jump on it at all?

You can judge the reaction of the person being bandwagoned, which in that case was me.

[Fegelein]

Do you think you reacted to it well?

Need an unbiased viewpoint on this. But I thought I generally reacted to it quite well.

[Fegelein]

What do you define reacting to it "well" as anyway?

I responded to the pressure satisfactorily.

@Fegelein:

How am I back seat scum hunting?

notscience is clearly bandwagoning and trolling.

Then again, he may be Vanilla Townie and has nothing better to do, so I'm holding off my vote on him.

Why are you speculating possible roles of certain people due to their behavior.

You're doing it in this very post.

And yes, it's actually my own tell and it's not complete shit either.

Evil seems to be alarmed that I'm calling them out.

I'm not 'alarmed'. Please don't intentionally misrep me. I asked a question and wanted an answer. Not some snark deflect.

All you're doing is asking questions and looking out for yourself, both scum traits.

And I'm not misrepping, to me it seems like you're alarmed.

Yeah hd stop.being dead weight

Hypocrisy at its finest.

[Fegelein]

@Vifam: Pretty sure on the former, null on the middle, disagree strongly with Baldrick. Can you explain it more?

@Beast: You parroted it in order to make yourself look pro-town. Also, when you attempt to justify an obvious RVS vote, of course I'm going to react BECAUSE IT'S SCUMMY.

[Fegelein]

Time to catch-up.

[Fegelein]

Baldrick minorly buddies me but it's nothing horrific.
RVS can be scummy if you vote them for a reason that is very poor
Oh good, did I sabotage that potential fakeclaim from you?
#194 made me PMPL it is so scummy.
Note that Evil Regals is very over-defensive and is only asking questions. To answer, asking questions is not scummy, though simply sitting back and doing nothing but that is sitting in the backseat.
Oriole's analysis is OK.
Eddie is Town.
dopog lurks again, with shallow, sloppy reads.
can't be bothered commenting on the stuff that happened before KX's posts, already been done appropriately.
God, KX is giving me the Spanish Inquistion here. But anyway, I was honestly expecting myself to get more votes. I was aware of the bandwagon would die eventually which is why I was calm. It doesn't mean scum can't do the same or someone over-reacting to a wagon is not Town.
Abdel's #222 made me lol.
@225 from Abdel: It doesn't, but it shows an element of over-protectiveness.
I really like Regals's meta search, very town move imo.
"Fegelein isn't a force for the good in this game, regardless of his allignment." That was random.
Abdel's read list is lol.
Katarina noticed a HUGE breadcrumb that I missed, I'll put her leaning Town since her posts haven't rung any bells yet.
Abdel is making me lol.
Marquis gets thrown into the town list for good arguments and gut feeling.

I'll make my reads list after I catch-up in my other game.

[Fegelein]

I destroyed a potential Cop claim (if you are scum)
PMPL = Piss My Pants Laughing
Abdel's "I'm an important role" one.

And you're not going to put your vote anywhere else?

[Fegelein]

Town:

Baldrick (good overall content, good accusations towards players)
Concombre (solid pressure coming from this hydra, making good cases against a lot of players)

Leaning Town:

EddieFenix (actually posting a reads list, asking an intelligent question, good logic, needs to post more)
Katrina (good reasoning behind voting, geniune reactions towards Vifam, pointing out a breadcrumb. Didn't like the WIFOM in #214)

Null:

KX (good reads intially, interesting questions towards me, though very slightly backseating and his meta as Town is a little more reckless)
Evil Regals (ER would be my third strongest scumread behind Abdel and Beast had it not been for her meta check on NotScience, which I can't see coming from scum at all. Otherwise, over-defensive and backseat scumhunting a lot)
notscience (too fluffy early game, difficult to get a read on, though ER's meta check helped)
PeregrineV (needs to post more)
meeps (really can't a read either way from this slot)
oriole (needs to see more, slightly backseating)
The Purple Rose (weird play in general, slightly backseating)

Leaning Scum:

Human Destroyer (no contributions yet active)
dopog (sloppy play, reads don't have much substance)
Vifam (scummy early game, anti-town, reasoning on Abdel is not expanded upon)

Scum:

Abdelrahman (read everyone's case on him)
BeastCharizard (read my case on him)

It's in order of towniest to scummiest btw.

I'd quite like to see everybody's read list at this point too, helps us find out where we're at.

[Fegelein]

Town:

Baldrick (good overall content, good accusations towards players)
Concombre (solid pressure coming from this hydra, making good cases against a lot of players)

Leaning Town:

EddieFenix (actually posting a reads list, asking an intelligent question, good logic, needs to post more)
Katrina (good reasoning behind voting, geniune reactions towards Vifam, pointing out a breadcrumb. Didn't like the WIFOM in #214)

Null:

KX (good reads intially, interesting questions towards me, though very slightly backseating and his meta as Town is a little more reckless)
Evil Regals (ER would be my third strongest scumread behind Abdel and Beast had it not been for her meta check on NotScience, which I can't see coming from scum at all. Otherwise, over-defensive and backseat scumhunting a lot)
notscience (too fluffy early game, difficult to get a read on, though ER's meta check helped)
PeregrineV (needs to post more)
meeps (really can't a read either way from this slot)
oriole (needs to see more, slightly backseating)
The Purple Rose (weird play in general, slightly backseating)

Leaning Scum:

Human Destroyer (no contributions yet active)
dopog (sloppy play, reads don't have much substance)
Vifam (scummy early game, anti-town, reasoning on Abdel is not expanded upon)

Scum:

Abdelrahman (read everyone's case on him)
BeastCharizard (read my case on him)

It's in order of towniest to scummiest btw.

I'd quite like to see everybody's read list at this point too, helps us find out where we're at.

[Fegelein]

Oh, my Shattered read disappeared:
Place him at the lowest of my null reads for the "Let the adults scumhunt" comment, yet barely doing anything after that.

[Fegelein]

it's not random, it's that you post post by post lists and shit 10 pages into the game, have a full eight of the posts and base reads on insignificant things (how else can you, 10 pages in, obviously).

You are working hard on looking active without taking any risks of your own. I'd be more then happy if we lynched you, too often it's scum who plays like this, rarely an overeager townie. Regardless, they usually make town lose with this playstyle.

You're attacking me for scumhunting and using my resources?

[Fegelein]

#133. Did you even try?

[Fegelein]

*#113

[Fegelein]

In general, recklessness is more often Towny than scum and vice versa for cautiousness. That's not always the case of course, but even cautious players can get involved.

Let's use the post I called scumhunting 101 from Evil Regals:

@Notsciene:

Do you have a history in trolling? We're passed the RVS stage yet you aren't doing anything, but posting fluff and trolling.

@Concombre:

Is there any way you can maybe give a link or two so I can read up on Meep's meta? I still think it might be too early to get a solid read off someone, but I don't think it's enough reason for Baldrick to jump on you for.

@Vifam:

You are going to call the Concombre wagon trash, but not do anything to actively make it decrease.

@Meeps:

Why did you feel the need to 'lol' at all the bandwagons. Real time mafia isn't like a speed game such as skype mafia or anything like that right?

@Question for everyone:

How many of you are followers of Fegelin? I want to know where I stand with whom I'm playing with right now. I need to know if you have any type of mafia experience or are you just new in general.

Notice here that they do not attempt to draw suspicion to themselves by posting mainly questions. They do not offer any real personal thoughts, they do not attempt to counter points, they simply ask questions and sit back in order to not draw attention to themselves, which is why I especially did not like Regals's reaction to my pressure. This is backseat scumhunting, sitting in the backseat is posting fairly actively, yet not really getting stuck in and asking questions is a good disguise to don to say you have been scumhunting.

Now, simply apply this to all of the other posts I have called out for such, to a lesser extent (as that post seriously was the worst)

I'm not saying that asking questions is scummy, but when you ask questions most of the time, it looks as if you're taking a step back. Other things can also be backseat scumhunting, such as lacking substance in your posts, but asking questions constantly is probably the worst example of backseat scumhunting for me.

[Fegelein]

This is a scum-game of his, although he subbed out:
http://pokemon-online.eu/forums/showthr ... -NOC-Day-2

[Fegelein]

@Eddie: I just posted my reads list. Though depending on how I feel, I may go in-depth on Abdel and Beast.

@Chess Problem: Move the Queen diagonally down two spaces to the left so it is facing the first pawn. (probably done it wrong but I'm not a Chess pro)

[Fegelein]

I think Knight is scum, he's trying to distract us with chess puzzles instead of allowing us to scumhunt!

In all seriousness, NS, I think I know why you're voting Katarina, but can you tell me why JIC I'm wrong?

[Fegelein]

That was indeed my guess.

NS, can you post your entire reads list?

[Fegelein]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmG-Af0LK88

It's real.

Anyway:
You failed to answer my question, completely blanking it.
You barely expand on your case in your recent post, it's one-dimensional.
You say they're insignificant things, I call it scavenging for as much tells as I can so I have a good read on everybody.
You haven't even checked my meta to see if I normally play like this (and I do as scum and Town)

Derailed.

Oh yeah, you also gain scum points because this case sucks so much.

[Fegelein]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmG-Af0LK88

It's real.

Anyway:
You failed to answer my question, completely blanking it.
You barely expand on your case in your recent post, it's one-dimensional.
You say they're insignificant things, I call it scavenging for as much tells as I can so I have a good read on everybody.
You haven't even checked my meta to see if I normally play like this (and I do as scum and Town)

Derailed.

Oh yeah, you also gain scum points because this case sucks so much.

If they were significant, people would respond, be angry, discuss stuff with you, and sometimes on MS, agree with you.

Nobody does, they just let you talk. Your "tells" cause nothing, it just a wave of irrelevant information. Hence, you are active looking scum.

People are discussing stuff with me. You must be blind.

And even if they weren't, how does people not responding to me make me scummy? That makes no sense.

Contemplating putting a vote on you, this case is hilariously bad.

[Fegelein]

Why am I getting a Town v Town debate feeling between Rose and Feg?

Explain both.

[Fegelein]

I really can't see how 73 is scummy.

[Fegelein]

@HD: I guess he could have expanded, but I've seen a lot worse.

@Beast:
Don't get how NS asking for reads is backseat scumhunting, it's more annoying seeing as he hasn't really posted a list of reads yet.

I'll go in depth tomorrow, tired atm.

Also Evil vote would have been very good earlier, but not after they did that meta check on ns, arguably the most towny thing I've seen so far.

[Fegelein]

SV is now a leaning scum read.

[Fegelein]

@KX: Shattered basically wanted us to stop RVS so he could "scumhunt", and now he's making posts like that.

@NS: While your posts aren't bad, they could be a little bigger to be perfectly honest.

[Fegelein]

Also, the reason I haven't laid a vote, is so we can drag day 1 out and get as many scum as we can in 1 swoop.

???

[Fegelein]

Now that's lazy.

[Fegelein]

Start from his first post ofc.

[Fegelein]

UNVOTE: BeastCharizard
VOTE: Abdelrahman

I was meaning to unvote Beast a while back, but I didn't know who else to throw my vote on. I was thinking Purple Rose if she spoke a little more. But that most recent post by Abdel was horrific.

Your first post not only parroted my backseat scumhunting method, but you also did it yourself in that post. Talk about hypocrisy.

But your second post, good lord. You try to reassure people that you're trying not to take eyes off you, then you weakly and lazily try to push for a Shattered lynch as he is simply "the scummiest-looking" at the moment. You're pushing for a SV lynch, with what, 15 days left while you yourself are in danger? This is desperate scumplay.

[Fegelein]

Dopog's post is him flailing and flailing HARRRRRRRD... Also, the reason I haven't laid a vote, is so we can drag day 1 out and get as many scum as we can in 1 swoop.

This ain't vanilla.

That's just faulty reasoning to not vote there.

Tell me something I don't know.

[Fegelein]

Yeah, I can agree to that I guess, but the second post was still horrific.

[Fegelein]

^^If you agree, why did you vote me? Is it because of this one post? Why didn't you vote the obvious lurking Purple Rose? Or if you agree with my comments, why didn't you vote SV?I realise I've been very scummy so far, but to vote me just because of this ONE POST is a terrible reasoning tbh.

I've had you second on my scum list for a while, haven't you been paying attention?

And even then, your first post was pretty bad, with the hypocrisy I called out.

[Fegelein]

That's mighty fine and dandy, but I'd like a reads list from you.

[Fegelein]

Concombre, you are now my #1 town-read. Congratulations.

@Abdel, look at my initial vote post where I discuss your first post, it's a mixed bag.

Anyway, as for my 3 lynch targets, It's going to be hard to narrow it down.

I'm ruling out Concombre, Baldrick, Katrina and Eddie because they're all Town-reads (although Eddie's most recent post makes him closer to Null).

Next ones out are the ones I don't have scum-reads on, so bye NS, KX, Peregrine, HD, oriole, meeps and Evil Regals.

Dopog and Shattered are scum-reads I'm not so confident on, so they're both out.

Leaving me with Rose, Vifam, Beast and Abdel. Out of the 3, Vifam is the one that hasn't recently pinged my scumdar as much, so I'll rule him out for today as well.

So

Abdel, Beast and Rose

are the 3 I have left.

Abdel is scummy for excessively bad posting and pretty much doing everything scummy in the book which includes:
Diverting attention (and a lot of it)
Backseat scumhunting
Bandwagoning
Rolefishing
Parroting
Poor reasoning
Jumping to conclusions way too quickly

Beast is scummy for a posting style that appears to be contrived and trying to please the Town, as well as being "Mr Nice Guy", which is his scum meta (although he sometimes plays like it as Town, his Town meta has changed up a bit). His attempt to try and justify my RVS vote in order to vote me was also pretty scummy as well. I didn't like his breadcrumb either and his random unvote on me as well. In general, he's trying too hard.

Rose is scummy for a terrible case against me (attacking me for scumhunting, I still can't get over how silly this is) and in general really strange play. Doesn't seem new either, so no newbie card to slightly justify the actions.

So yeah, happy with those 3 lynches today.

[Fegelein]

You WERE my strongest scum read.

[Fegelein]

You're null leaning Town and Vifam is scum because of Vifam's early play mainly.

[Fegelein]

Good fucking god, our votes are scattered. We need to focus on 5 people max.

[Fegelein]

And by that, I mean lynch targets today.

[Fegelein]

I'm not saying "We should only analyse 5 people", I'm saying we should knuckle down and find our max of 5 potential lynch targets today whilst still paying attention to everyone else. Everybody is still eligible to sub in to be a lynch target at any time. But at the moment, the VC is ridiculous, only Abdel, Dopog and Shattered are even remotely close to good lynches on that VC.

Also, NS seems to be towny when he's not posting nonsense, primarily due to meta and gut though, which are unreliable, so that's why I have him down as Null, slightly leaning Town at the moment.

[Fegelein]

attacking me for scumhunting, I still can't get over how silly this is

If it were silly I would post about it. Scum is going to pretend to scumhunt, your scumhunting is either town who doesn't like to find scum, or scum who likes to seem active. It's not the town way to do it.

But glad I made it to your list of scummy people. With your over 40 posts of "scumhunting" the thing you use to complete a scumlist of three people is OMGUS. Absolutely stunning.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that you knew the scum. Please, go ahead and lynch the evil scum Fegelein, #1 scumhunter.

Normally, I'd be fine with a vote on me (Marquis's early vote on me is a good example of this, he actually had decent reasoning). But when you're going to attack me for the way I play without even checking out my meta, you continue to evade my questions and points and you have the daftest reason for voting I've seen outside of Newbie Games and RVS, then we're going to have some problems. I like how you blatantly try to misrep me too by saying my suspect on you is nothing more than OMGUS (you were actually near the bottom of my Null list at the time), when your accusations were torn apart in a previous post.

[Fegelein]

Yes it was

Talk to me my masonbuddy

[Fegelein]

@ns:

Yes it was

Talk to me my masonbuddy

@Peregrine: Why is Baldrick scum? And did you see Evil Regals's metacheck, that was Town as fuck. Although the rest of her play has been scummy.

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WORK TO PRODUCE A QUALITY READS LIST THEN PLZ

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WHAT IS THE PURPLE ROSES AND ABDELRAHMAN'S ALIGNMENT?

TUNNELSNAKES RULE.

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What scumtell?

Suppose the dopog vote could have been better, but I liked his early play so that doesn't displace my town-read on him yet.

#226 was the meta check.

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Have you even seen my only scum game or are you just making stuff up as you go along?

To answer your question, I think it should be 3 favoured, 2 personal. We have Abdel, Dopog and Baldrick covering favoured at the moment, and I have Rose and you as personal. My priority is Abdel > Rose > You > Dopog > Baldrick at the moment. Basically, these'll be the 5 lynches that we are firmly backing today. Helps show people's opinions, whilst also not creating a clusterfuck of wagons all over the place.

The only favoured lynch that's had a lot of support is Abdel though, so keep an open mind.

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If I am not mistaken I have played RTM with you which I am also taking into account here since I am limited to what I can base stuff off of.

Why is Rose in front of me? I remember a post saying that you were going to vote them if they posted more but then voted Abdel because of one of his posts.

I am reading the Wiki right now so I am going to come back soon and reread the whole thread based off of what I learn off the wiki.

I think I've played 1 or 2 RTM games with you, maybe I was scum, but the point is, that's entirely different. RTM is Real Time, this is where you can sit down and think things through. Do you remember anything from my scum-games if I played any with you, or are you just going to say "He's good as both".

Rose is ahead of you for a particularly bad case against me mainly. Read my narrow down to 3 list for more info. Didn't like the way she responded to that list either.

Also, did you see the Evil Regals meta check on NS? That was probably the Towniest thing I've seen all game, although the rest of her play is scummy, I can agree there, so she's a null read for me.

@NS: Why do you feel that Abdel is Newbtown?

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SHAMELESS SELF-META, THIS SLOT IS SCUM AND SHOULD BE REMOVED AT ONCE.

But seriously, I'll check it out. I remember vaguely following because of you, Bebbz and citro.

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Self meta'ing really isn't scummy.

Pretty sure I made it clear I was joking :/

Anyway, I didn't get around to reading NS's game again due to fatigue, but I'll get round to it later today.

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It was way back when it was just starting to be a thing. I don't play anymore.

Yes I do remember that you were aggressive as scum. Your aggressiveness actually made most of the people playing believe you were town. You use your aggressiveness to push whomever you want lynched. This can be for the better or worse. I also remember that you would not change your opinion during the time. I do see where you are coming from with the whole RTM is different then this.

It is like comparing Server to RTM. They are not really similar in the least. I apologize for that.

Scum can do town things very easily. Evil's posts are nothing sort of fluff. One town thing does not a townie make. Whose to say say that Meta check wasn't an attempt to bus NS? Scum will always try to look like town and do anything they can to seem that way. You can't allow one town thing to over shadow all of the scum tells that are going on especially when the town thing was a long time ago.

Aggressiveness is a null tell for me. People that have played with me in the past know this.

Your last paragraph is one of the worst things I've read this game. You're trying to argue that ER is scum no-matter-what. It's anti-town if you're town, and scummy if you're scum, so either way, it harms the Town. Remember when I did the same thing to Marcello. in GE and how much I fucked up that game? But anyway, the reason it was towny as fuck is because scum usually would have just left NS to die. It COULD be a change to gain town-cred, but it's best to use Occam's Razor in this case and not overcomplicate stuff. ER is null for me for all the scummy things she did before, but she's still null, very slightly leaning Town. Also, your argument for ER to bus NS is shite.

Beast is doing a good deal in remaining calm while defending his own points. Fegelein is just tunneling a tad too hard there which might be dangerous in a town vs. town situation considering scum can generally pick a side and turn on the other once it flips. Whatever Beast does in return is immediately a major scumtell for Fegelein (which in some cases really aren't). There's minimal pressure on Abdel and he's already choking at a lot of points, plus I already highlighted dopog's overviewing scum meta.

To be fair, he's not as bad as he was, that's why he's moving lower on my scum-list.

@Baldrick: Favoured by the majority, not by me, that's why you're last on the list. Also, TUNNELSNAKES was an all-caps hydra I did with Bacde.

Katarina, what the hell is your problem? It's not that you want to lynch me, because I like Fege's plays so far and he is also voting me, it's because you say a lynchlist without giving out any reasoning. You quote a post of mine, and say "scummiest person of the game" without any reason at all. Please explain your posts a bit. Kthxbye.

Bandwagoning, Parroting, Refusing to answer simple questions on why you did such, Not providing any original town info or any reads with proper reasoning.

You just kinda post "wow fuck you im not scum" every time you post.

This is awfully parroted.

Pretty sure that Katarina and Abdellaramallamadingdong are on the same team (whichever team that may be).


This isn't going anywhere, so:

unvote

oriole is a good lynch for inactivity.

doopydog is a terrific lynch because he's scum.

But I'd really rather lynch notscience for

::reasons::

Vote: notscience

Congratulations, you are now a scum-read, maybe even further ahead than Vifam.

Anyway, checking up on NS's 1354 Newbie now.

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Checked the first few posts, but now I'm busy, so I'll get to it later.

Notes:
Seems more concerned about himself than he does the other players.
Don't like the only thing that he finds scummy is Autti's inactivity.

(and yes, I am aware of you flipping Town)

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Checked the first few posts, but now I'm busy, so I'll get to it later.

Notes:
Seems more concerned about himself than he does the other players.
Don't like the only thing that he finds scummy is Autti's inactivity.

(and yes, I am aware of you flipping Town)

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For a joke since we were spamming caps.

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Are you going to stop trolling at one point?

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I enjoy this bandwagon

vote Katarina LeBlanc

I was about to say your bandwagon was shit until you did this. Now I'm starting to suspect it as a gambit.

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I need to update my reads list and iso Katrina harder, is there something I'm missing?

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Null, very very slightly leaning scum.

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@Eddie: I've done exactly the same thing as scum, so how is that an excuse?

Katrina is making less and less sense at the moment.

Beast is try-harding to look Town.

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You COULD be Town, anybody here COULD be Town. I just think you are more likely scum.

Try-harding to make posts that appease the Town and portray you in a good light etc etc.

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Lacking motivation to look through that game, I'll be honest. I will try though. From what I've seen though, I honestly can't draw too many parallels yet.

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You're implying that everything that he's done is newbie stuff?

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The difference being between you and Abdel is that you were more cagey from what I saw, whereas Abdel was just flailing wildly.

Can you summarise the case on Katrina for me before I ISO her?

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Probably applies to people with less than 20 posts.

The activity does need to step up though, it'll help keep me motivated.

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hd should post more i can't get an accurate read on his slot

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ER, are you an alt?

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ER, are you an alt?

This came up on one of my games. If I'm an alt I'm not saying. If I'm from another site I'm not saying. Asking me will get you no where.

Well, I want to see if your meta is usually like this.

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hello PO!!!!!!



got a pretty nice role here gonna catch up now

Is this not breadcrumbing and highly suspicious? They did not state an actual role but their saying the pretty nice role thing could be referenced later.

Nice hypocrisy.

And the rest of your post is backseat scumhunting.

UNVOTE: Abdelrahman
VOTE: BeastCharizard

Sheeping Concombre/you are a high scum read.

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For the most part it was backseat scumhunting, I was a little subjective there.

Inspector = Cop

Yes, he was breadcrumbing, but you called him out for it when you've done it before, which is worse.

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It's amusing as to how Beast started making this push after I called Evil Regals's meta check Town as fuck.

Lynch Beast please.

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That was a kneejerk, wasn't it?

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Yours, mine or NS's?

You calling me opportunistic.

I should post like that more often.

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Please do not fish me. I will summon Captain Hook on you and put you on a boat and send you to evil Neverland.

I want to call you town for having good taste in shows.

I really really do.

Yet I don't have a townread on you. It's not even that you feel scummy, it's just that I don't feel any town from you.

I WANT YOU

To check her metacheck on NS.

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don't worry concombre i'm not mad.

I do think SV is scummy though, but I'll be much happier with a Beast lynch atm.

@Beast: You seem to be missing my pressure earlier on that slot, and by pressure, I mean probably my secondary scum-read at that point.

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And by that, I'm not saying that ER is conf Town, she's not even a town-read. But there's no way she should even be considered a lynch target today.

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And by that, I'm not saying that ER is conf Town, she's not even a town-read. But there's no way she should even be considered a lynch target today.

Can you elaborate fully on this? I feel like there's something here that I want to know more about

I'm open to ER being a lynch target in the future. But not now.

Yes, the backseat scumhunting is bad, in fact, it's very bad. But the meta-check I honestly can't see coming from scum, even it's to buy a few Townie points. Scum would have just let the notscience wagon accumulate.

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Also, The Purple Rose, I can maybe sort of understand you having a scum-read on me.

But the thing that I fail to understand is that your reasoning behind it is faulty, and the fact that you have me as the top scum-read for those reasons. Those 2 in tandem are just terrible reasoning for getting me lynched.

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Because I don't think the scum-read on her at the moment is right for what she's done beforehand. I think she should be placed in the Null zone by everybody. Keep her open maybe the next day, but she should definitely not be lynched today solely because of that meta-check.

Right now though, we have many better wagons such as Beast, Shattered and Katrina for all.

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I wouldn't talk about SOHV when it's not even finished yet and there are people here still playing it.

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I feel bad about the MS slot at the moment, mainly due to his blatant breadcrumb and Vifam's play.

But in a game I played with him in the past, he has been an easy mislynch and he was taken to LYLO. So I'm not sure whether this recent play is typical MS, or potential scum MS.

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lol

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What do you want to discuss?

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Hmm...
dopog makes a fair point in that.

Baldrick falls into the Null zone.
dopog rises very slightly to the Null zone.

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my breadcrumb is a breadcrumb

how can my breadcrumb be scum are you daft

thanks for telling everyone i breadcrumbed now the scum are going to shoot me at night!!

It's called lying.

@why is Kat scum: I can't really see it either. The case against her seems to be based on inconsistencies mainly, which is quite scummy, but other than that, I've not really seen anything noticeably scummy.

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Never said you were, I was responding to your second sentence. The way you brought it up seems both scummy and counter-productive.

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No, breadcrumbing is scummy and counter-productive.

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Also it's shameful how ms has more posts and content than some people already.

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no; its because his posts are short, his reasoning for his voting are bullshit, and doesnt help the town at all

The former applies to you by the way.

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Assuming you've all played with Metal Sonic before, is it natural for him to slip up with that breadcrumb? I mean just looking at his general post style I'd like to assume he didn't do that on purpose. One of those things you have to trust at the mean time but keep in mind for now. He's leaning towards town a bit but a day can change most of that.

Looking back at Baldrick's slip it

does

seem a pretty scummy but if you want to course along the Baldrick and Eddie scumships I'd like to highlight posts post 166 and post 357 from Shattered Viewpoint. He clearly calls of EddieFenix town with

no

basis at all. When asked to explain he simply dodged out of the question. I'm not entirely sure how meeps managed to join the pair, he had Eddie as null scum and Baldrick as null town maybe ignoring the slip by Baldrick. His post might be a little overview-ey but it's can bump him up from scum to at least null in my opinion.

If you want to pursue this wagon I suggest we start SV.

Doesn't strike me as normal Metal Sonic behaviour tbh, it's a little more controlled than usual.

That's a blatant mis-rep, he did answer it, albeit with shaky reasoning, but he still damn well answered it and you failed to acknowledge it.

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You know, the more that I think about it, the more I get cold feet about Shattered. Maybe he's just genuinely not even interested in the game.

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What is with all the "Meta" reads lately? Just because one person did it and got town points and is not apparently not a lynch option, which is completely dumb, doesn't mean you all need to start doing them just to look town. It feels like you are all desperately trying to cling to something. I especially mean you Katarina. You are trying to hard to look town from my perspective. You agree with almost everything that is posted in the game. Soon we are going to need to give you a cracker.

Rather than looking at all these meta-reads as scum tells, I look at them as null-tells from now on, and you should too.

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It is Day 1. Just thought you should know that. Don't get mad at me for calling you out on stuff.

Can you explain why you said this?

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So, you read 1 of my completed games, specifically one of my scum games (I haven't had many completed games on here because I've only been here a few months) and just go, "he's scum!!" That... Is... Terrible.

Why not ask for some completed games from me personally??

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If attacking someone's bad reasoning on one of my strongest townie reads is bad, then I am guilty as charged. And, yes to the first question.

Well, my read was mostly on SV. He commented on your scumgame when you were just 3 posts in the game. I didn't really have that big of a scum read on you until Baldrick and SV had a bunch of scum slips surrounding you on the earlier parts of the game that I just missed.

I called him out for having a town read on you 3 posts within the game. It's true that your posting picked up on the latter part, but it's pure bullshit for him to have that SURE TOWN meta read on you since I checked myself.

Also
>selfmeta-ing

How you reacted to this was poor, your partners are scumslipping.

How in the love of hell is this self-meta?

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V/LA for 4 days, out of Town.

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one last thing. I HAD A BURNING QUESTION;

@Fegelein(even if v/la, if you can answer that'd be cool ; What is your read on kat?

null

VOTE: shattered viewpoint

on phone, he scumread, compromise

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still phone

liked sv's response

VOTE: kat

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^that is shit

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can we get abdelrahman if hannah is town

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Bahh, win this for me Town.

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I died for your sins.

GG all.