NY 166: Knight-Errant 18p - Game Over!

[The Purple Rose]

Hi all!

vote abdelrahman

I didn't like abdelrahman's bandwagon vote post, looks as if he's trying to pass it off as super non-serious

Meeps sounds pretty damn cautious although that might just be him (played one game with him)
He has a pretty solid vote reason but sounds somewhat summaris-y which I dislike.

Byeee

I like this post, I was thinking the same.

Abdel's vote felt insincere. Many think it's alright to vote without giving a reason this early in the game, but he was doing it at the scummiest time.

VOTE: abdel

Once ur in da rabbit hole it's rly hard to get out

Vifam is being nice in this post. I find it hard to make anything of it. I think it might actually be town here.

How is Feg gonna stop the wagon from chugging along

Who knows???

Here the tone is different. Vifam is in control, knows what's going on in the game without taking an active stance.

That is classic scum behaviour, but I think he knows.

Not a bad start, 3 pages in and already having two reads.

[The Purple Rose]

So I'm apparently getting lynched for a bandwagon vote. What?

Yes, while the way I did it was scummy, it shouldn't really be put in account as it's so early in the game to actually start justifying votes.

HOWEVER, the way Concombre are action has really annoyed me, and I don't feel they're taking this serious. Maybe scum.

Unvote

Vote Concombre

You got called out, start to panic already at three votes and say you are getting lynched for it, then jump with a very pronounced "HOWEVER" onto the largest wagon, as if you are really scumhunting!

This was not a town response to getting voted.

[The Purple Rose]

Dat OMGUS vote. Even more proof you're scum, Concombre.

I'm not being aggressive cuz I'm still new to NOC, so I don't wanna mess up.

This hurts my eyes. It's ok to make an "oh my god you suck" vote when indeed your vote on concombre sucked...

I am slightly surprised by fege's reason for suspecting me. I wasn't aware I was in the back seat, given that I called out abdel twice and that's the leading wagon now. I'm not sneaking my way onto it.

I'm still happy with my vote, naturally.

[The Purple Rose]

Abdel wagon isn't bad but he comes off as just some guy that's really nervous to me, tbh

Why is he nervous before anything really happened, though?

Are you saying you think scum have daytalk?


Also, eddie is almost guaranteed to be town. Go ahead. Ask me why.

*asks you why*

Aren't town masons in play?

This is not a town question in my opinion, no matter how "normal" it seems. Town does not want to talk about this subject.

Fegelein isn't a force for the good in this game, regardless of his allignment.

[The Purple Rose]

it's not random, it's that you post post by post lists and shit 10 pages into the game, have a full eight of the posts and base reads on insignificant things (how else can you, 10 pages in, obviously).

You are working hard on looking active without taking any risks of your own. I'd be more then happy if we lynched you, too often it's scum who plays like this, rarely an overeager townie. Regardless, they usually make town lose with this playstyle.

[The Purple Rose]

I think notscience is town.

The response fegelein had to my post was what I'd expect scum to answer with, a very passive agressive approach. I haven't played with fegelein before, but this looks like textbook active scum.

vote fegelein

I can easily be convinced to lynch Katarina

[The Purple Rose]

white moves his knight to f7, king to g8 (slaying it with the rook gives the solution in 3 by slaying the other rook with the queen)
then knight to h6, king back to h8 (only out)
queen to g8, slain by the rook (king can't slay because it's covered by the knight)
knight to f7, mate.

[The Purple Rose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmG-Af0LK88

It's real.

Anyway:
You failed to answer my question, completely blanking it.
You barely expand on your case in your recent post, it's one-dimensional.
You say they're insignificant things, I call it scavenging for as much tells as I can so I have a good read on everybody.
You haven't even checked my meta to see if I normally play like this (and I do as scum and Town)

Derailed.

Oh yeah, you also gain scum points because this case sucks so much.

If they were significant, people would respond, be angry, discuss stuff with you, and sometimes on MS, agree with you.

Nobody does, they just let you talk. Your "tells" cause nothing, it just a wave of irrelevant information. Hence, you are active looking scum.

[The Purple Rose]

Comments on the actual game, please.

7 posts ago, that's not that bad NS.

[The Purple Rose]

I could respond to abdel, but it's prize-shooting right now, NS.

First, it's a list. It's fun, take count of how often scum, esspecially those backed in a corner post lists of all and nothing. They usually have trouble making a case and by making a list you look like you are doing a lot without actually having to say all that much. Then, the "oh sorry, I was busy".

Sure

. Busy figuring out how to get out of this. Then "people want reads from me so I'll give them". Urg, like I said, prize-shooting. As if you are on the fair, you always get a prize!

Then the actual reads. He doesn't name 4, 8 of those are null reads or "I'm torn" right away at the start of the sentence.

I'm also rather amused that I, with my 6 posts up till that point and only a vote on him want to lynch everyone.

Lets also not forget that he's rather interested in finding masons. He doesn't think they are a scumteam, no, they look like masons.

tl;dr: that post is one big lump of scummyness, pretty much whereever you look. And it's a bit of a waste of time to analyse it in detail.

P-edit: go for it, omgus suits you. You could even selfmeta that it's not scummy on you!

[The Purple Rose]

Why am I getting a Town v Town debate feeling between Rose and Feg?

Leave male intuition out of it, please. It's not known to be that accurate.

Purple Rose, why are you nitpicking?

Firstly, I was legit busy, you have no info on my personal life so you can gtfo.

Secondly, you don't like my reads, why? Is it because I thought you were scum?

"nitpicking" implies I took something small out of a post and blew it up so it looked very significant. I did nothing of the kind. I took one post of yours and listed any common scumtell I could find in it, and it resulted in a post as long as the one I was analysing. I don't think you get to complain about nitpicking.

[The Purple Rose]

So, was this chess puzzle bullshit like for extra game points or something? Why are we wasting time on that?

unvote

Vote: HumanDestroyer

Because it's fun.

@Shattered, why are you wasting time by asking about the puzzle, and what's wrong with HD?

This is the scummy way to respond to a question. It might work with your mother, here you have to look like a grownup.

attacking me for scumhunting, I still can't get over how silly this is

If it were silly I would post about it. Scum is going to pretend to scumhunt, your scumhunting is either town who doesn't like to find scum, or scum who likes to seem active. It's not the town way to do it.

But glad I made it to your list of scummy people. With your over 40 posts of "scumhunting" the thing you use to complete a scumlist of three people is OMGUS. Absolutely stunning.

[The Purple Rose]

So, was this chess puzzle bullshit like for extra game points or something? Why are we wasting time on that?

unvote

Vote: HumanDestroyer

Because it's fun.

@Shattered, why are you wasting time by asking about the puzzle, and what's wrong with HD?

This is the scummy way to respond to a question. It might work with your mother, here you have to look like a grownup.

attacking me for scumhunting, I still can't get over how silly this is

If it were silly I would post about it. Scum is going to pretend to scumhunt, your scumhunting is either town who doesn't like to find scum, or scum who likes to seem active. It's not the town way to do it.

But glad I made it to your list of scummy people. With your over 40 posts of "scumhunting" the thing you use to complete a scumlist of three people is OMGUS. Absolutely stunning.

[The Purple Rose]

1) Why is Vifam scum

2) Why am I scum eddie. You have to give me a decent case or I'm just going to laugh at you

I do not like this post. It's too passive.

I'll only be satisfied with lynching

dopog

or

Abdelrahman

today.

Beast is doing a good deal in remaining calm while defending his own points. Fegelein is just tunneling a tad too hard there which might be dangerous in a town vs. town situation considering scum can generally pick a side and turn on the other once it flips. Whatever Beast does in return is immediately a major scumtell for Fegelein (which in some cases really aren't). There's minimal pressure on Abdel and he's already choking at a lot of points, plus I already highlighted dopog's overviewing scum meta.

I will give my list of reads when I get the time to go over the game again.

I know that I'm semi tunneling here, but this post does only three things. It buddies beast, it conforms to the the lynch that kat thinks is going to happen and sets up dopog for the continuation. I know, we could easily see that as town. But why then chose katarina to post these two reads before the promised reads list?

Pretty sure that Katarina and Abdellaramallamadingdong are on the same team (whichever team that may be).


This isn't going anywhere, so:

unvote

oriole is a good lynch for inactivity.

doopydog is a terrific lynch because he's scum.

But I'd really rather lynch notscience for

::reasons::

Vote: notscience

Why do you say so? Are you entertaining a bus? because I already stated my reasons (which others are doing as well) that Abdelrahman is VI. I'm not entirely sure about what your read towards the both of us means. Explain.

This post is incredibly scummy. It's stupidly scummy. Why did you even make it.

Esspecially as katarina flips here and calls abdel a VI. Which either means katarina wants to lynch someone for playing bad rather then being scummy, or she's switching reads too quickly. Neither is very good.

[The Purple Rose]

So

You don't think he's scum

And you want to PL him

VOTE: Katarina

That is the short version, yes! I like you!

[The Purple Rose]

oh, wow. That's a poor reaction.

And please don't say "but he did it too!!!", because that's exactly what makes this scummier then when he did it.

vote Katarina

[The Purple Rose]

"I wouldn't mind being lynched" and then there comes a huge ass post which gives "reads". That whole first line is one heap of suppressed nervosity. And I know that this is the easiest way to calm those nerves and show the town you are really trying! It's insincere, obviously. Either as scum or as town you are trying to work yourself out of a lynch, easily the first goal of that post. Those reads are just a tool.

I swear I'm being goaded into tunneling this game. First abdel, now you

[The Purple Rose]

"I wouldn't mind being lynched" and then there comes a huge ass post which gives "reads". That whole first line is one heap of suppressed nervosity. And I know that this is the easiest way to calm those nerves and show the town you are really trying! It's insincere, obviously. Either as scum or as town you are trying to work yourself out of a lynch, easily the first goal of that post. Those reads are just a tool.

So you believe those are sincere reads?

You seem to have some trouble reading.

No.

Also, the way the SV wagon forms, people are just way too happy they can make a counterwagon. It's a terrible wagon IMO, the reasons people used to hop on are all different, and none holds really well. It's a wagon, because some people like there to be a wagon on "someone else".

[The Purple Rose]

Obviously you do. He's your counterwagon.

And somehow I'm a little confused why you think a three year old player would repeatedly and purposefully shift wagons with little reason as scum. I can tell you straight away, it's going to get reactions. Nobody likes being voted, and OMGUS feelings are real. Scum don't play this flashy without having "reasons" for their votes they can fall back on when they are attacked on a vote. There's no backup plan if you vote without reasons.

Hence, SV is playing reckless. And scum don't do that unless they are newbies. SV is not a newby, and scum is flocking to a townie that's playing reckless, an ideal counterwagon for them. It's a bad wagon.

[The Purple Rose]

I don't want to tunnel, you guys are forcing me to. That's my complaint.

SV is all but new. That's the point. He plays a reckless game as a non-newbie. Hence he knows what he's doing and you do not, otherwise you wouldn't vote him for it. Experienced scum do not play reckless on purpose in the grand majority of cases.

Or you knew all this and he's just a convenient target for you to relief pressure.

[The Purple Rose]

The other curious thing is the abdel wagon to me. He's not the strongest player. People like him don't live long in general, and if he's town, at some point scum will harvest the doubt that's sown on such a person. If we assume abdel is town, it's not unheard of that scum let him stay in the game for a little. He's hardly a threat to anyone, the way the reads come out and it is very nice to have a mislynchable townie left at a later stage of the game.

The fact that while public opinion was rather against him, the wagon didn't advance that quickly or far, and since mostly disappeared makes me suspicious that the above is indeed going on. Which means I suspect there were scum who intentionally kept away from the wagon and buddied abdel not with the goal that he'd like them and wouldn't vote them, but to keep him in the game for a later day. A couple of pages into the game now, I think it's time to have a look who are the scum.

I am going to keep my vote on Fegelein. He didn't like my RVS reason, which was obvious RVS, so he pegs me as scum? It was my understanding that RVS was supposed to be some whack reason to vote someone and I did just that but apparently only I am suspicious for doing it.

Adbel is acting pretty scummy right now I can agree with that. I do not know if they have ever played forum mafia before though. I myself have never seen them play a game so I have no clue if they have a meta to base their reactions off of or not.

I think notscience's vote on themselves is really weird too. It might be a ploy to distract from the fact that they are scum. Kind of like the idiot approach, which doesn't work by the way. I can't say I have seen more scummy things from them in my point of view but self-voting is by far the weirdest thing I have seen in this thread making them a slight-scum read to me.

I would like to see more from KX and I am very interested in seeing how the people who haven't confirmed are going to reply to the thread thus far.

I know Fegelein and he asked me to join the game. I have played here before though so i am not sure how "new" that makes me. Also, most of the "new" people play forum mafia on a different forums. I am not saying which one because I do not want to advertise.

Dat OMGUS vote. Even more proof you're scum, Concombre.

I'm not being aggressive cuz I'm still new to NOC, so I don't wanna mess up.

This hurts my eyes. It's ok to make an "oh my god you suck" vote when indeed your vote on concombre sucked...

I am slightly surprised by fege's reason for suspecting me. I wasn't aware I was in the back seat, given that I called out abdel twice and that's the leading wagon now. I'm not sneaking my way onto it.

I'm still happy with my vote, naturally.

You backseat scumhunted in your post against Vifam. Also, Abdel already had votes.

Also, just want to make this crystal clear:
ABDEL BANDWAGONING ME IS NOT SCUMMY. IT'S AN RVS WAGON, I DON'T MIND BEING BANDWAGONED EARLY GAME, BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TO AND IT GETS US SOME INFORMATION.

But yeah, the rest of Abdel's play is very scummy for reasons I've made clear in my interactions with him and reasons that would just be parroting.

I won't switch to him yet because I don't want people to pre-maturely hammer him, and the fact that I'd like to hear more from Beast.

The rest of Katrina's post is pretty good, a little bit recycled, but with that many votes on the Abdel wagon, it's slightly understandable.

Abdel wagon isn't bad but he comes off as just some guy that's really nervous to me, tbh

Vifam is more outspoken, this is either more confident scum, or just town. This doesn't feel as bad.

^

While obviously NS looks worse because of this again.

Hello my fellow players, I know you've missed me in my absence, but I believe I can finally grace you with my presence!

First off, not strictly relevant, but this is actually my seventh game here on mafiascum, 8 is you count a marathon game. Of those seven, I subbed out of one early on, so really doesn't count, was force subbed out of a second since I couldn't keep up, and subbed into one late game. So yeah, I think I count as being a player on this site, though it's true I probably wouldn't have joined this if not for Fege.

Moving along, posts #132 and #133 are interesting to me.

ABDEL BANDWAGONING ME IS NOT SCUMMY. IT'S AN RVS WAGON, I DON'T MIND BEING BANDWAGONED EARLY GAME, BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TO AND IT GETS US SOME INFORMATION.

Specifically, what about this I don't like is that some of the information we get from the wagon which fegelein talks about

is

that abdel is scummy, and yet fegelein uses the fact that abdel gave us information that he was scummy as a reason for why he isn't scummy. This is just exceptionally poor logic, and I'm curious as to if there's an explanation.

Also in #132,

An annoying part of this game is that majority of the first 6 pages of posts are stupid fluffy posts.

QFT.

@Vifam,

10 bucks says KX is scum also

at the time of that post, I had a total of one post in the game. As far as I can tell, the inactivity is the only thing you could use for the read. I'm not certain about others (can be if you wish) but I know for sure that the same could be said of at least HD, so why make a post about me? The only thing I can think of was myself being mentioned in another post recently, where it was said that the person would like to hear more from me. If that's it, then my question becomes why only evaluate players called out by others, not the entire game?

Also, to comment on some other events, while I find Abdel's behavior to be quite scummy, as far as I know, regardless of alignment he tends to think of himself first, and not be the most thoughtful or experienced on in the bunch, and so can't get a read on him yet. What I want to know is why others of the "group" have failed to mentioned this fact.

Oh yeah, VOTE: notscience, you've proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that you're here, do something. I've played with you before, you aren't this fucking bad. Same goes for Vifam to an extent, though at least they've shown a few opinions, and no meta I believe.

OK, so apparently people are still moaning and targeting me for my reaction to people trying to lynch me, here's my explanation:

Now, you see, the thing I mostly hate about Mafia is how people jump on other people who react to something minor angrily. The reason I reacted this way is because I didn't wanna get lynched. Being lynched d1 sucks ass, and I think everyone should know that, especially when being an important town role. So if not wanna get lynched is scummy, fucking sue me...Or even better, hammer me, I don't care anymore. I didn't know that not getting want to be lynched d1 was scummy for you guys.

Alright Abel, I'll bite. Mainly because I wanna hear you out. Who do you think is scummy and why?

Baldrick minorly buddies me but it's nothing horrific.
RVS can be scummy if you vote them for a reason that is very poor
Oh good, did I sabotage that potential fakeclaim from you?
#194 made me PMPL it is so scummy.
Note that Evil Regals is very over-defensive and is only asking questions. To answer, asking questions is not scummy, though simply sitting back and doing nothing but that is sitting in the backseat.
Oriole's analysis is OK.
Eddie is Town.
dopog lurks again, with shallow, sloppy reads.
can't be bothered commenting on the stuff that happened before KX's posts, already been done appropriately.
God, KX is giving me the Spanish Inquistion here. But anyway, I was honestly expecting myself to get more votes. I was aware of the bandwagon would die eventually which is why I was calm. It doesn't mean scum can't do the same or someone over-reacting to a wagon is not Town.

Abdel's #222 made me lol.

@225 from Abdel: It doesn't, but it shows an element of over-protectiveness.
I really like Regals's meta search, very town move imo.
"Fegelein isn't a force for the good in this game, regardless of his allignment." That was random.
Abdel's read list is lol.
Katarina noticed a HUGE breadcrumb that I missed, I'll put her leaning Town since her posts haven't rung any bells yet.

Abdel is making me lol.

Marquis gets thrown into the town list for good arguments and gut feeling.

I'll make my reads list after I catch-up in my other game.

conclusion

It's a bit of a big pool to find scum in. Beastcharizard, NS, stay off in a way that could go either way easily. Esspecially Fegelein stays off in a scummy way. KX was not on my radar but definately earned a spot.

[The Purple Rose]

I enjoy this bandwagon

vote Katarina LeBlanc

I can't decide if I dislike the vote itself or passing it off as getting carried away gambiting more.

Purple Rose, I absolutely disagree with your defense of Shattered Viewpoint based on him playing recklessly as a non-newbie.

More tonight when I'm not on my phone.

It's not scummy. There's a difference between not having any backup and straight up scummy. Hiding yourself is scummy. SV is doing a very poor job at hiding.

[The Purple Rose]

I'm not opposed, but it's a bit late to change my vote. See ya tomorrow!

[The Purple Rose]

it's of people who didn't vote abdel but did comment on him when the game as a whole was rather negative about him.

[The Purple Rose]

Well, in case people didn't realize yet, Concombre is obvious town.

I don't think I want to sheep onto beast yet, I don't see a reason not to lynch katarina.

[The Purple Rose]

ah, who am I kidding. If there's any support, here we go.

vote fegelein

[The Purple Rose]

if he's not an universal townread you guys are doing something wrong.

Vote Count 1.26

Shattered Viewpoint (4) - Abdelrahman, oriole, Katarina LeBlanc, PeregrineV
beastcharizard (2) - Concombre, Fegelein
Baldrick (2) - Metal Sonic, Human Destroyer
Katarina LeBlanc (1) - notscience
Abdelrahman (1) - meeps
dopog (1) - Baldrick
EddieFenix (1) - dopog
Evil Regals (1) - beastcharizard
notscience (1) - Shattered Viewpoint
Fegelein (1) - The Purple Rose

Not Voting (3) - EddieFenix, Evil Regals, KX

Countdown: (expired on 2013-08-12 11:00:00).

18 alive, 10 to lynch.

[The Purple Rose]

Please go ahead and explain what you are saying there.

[The Purple Rose]

We only have two days to get a lynch and that's not even counting claims. I think we are in trouble, with the weekend coming now.

Also, who said you were an SK?

[The Purple Rose]

I agree with the entire post above.

vote katarina

[The Purple Rose]

just 10 hours left...

[The Purple Rose]

ok so if im correct fegelein's top three scum reads were abdelrahman/beast/purple rose

not saying they can all be mafia, because any smart mafia would prob make an attempt to kill fegelein tbh.

but i kinda get bad vibes from all three players

abdelrahman - i've had a scumread on him throughout the course of the game. and i basically really cannot make anything out of him that would make him town

beast - he put katarina on l-1, but considering how close it was to deadline and the likelyhood of her getting lynched at that point was very good, it's more of a null point for him. but his previous actions really dont help him

purple rose - pretty much the only player to have accused fegelein of scum outside of rvs.

ok im lazy sorry bye

wish peregrinev posted more content w/e

I think this is a bad reason to vote abdel, and that's a shame, given all the good reasons that were there to lynch him.

Suppose you were in a scumgroup with abdel. Just think about it. Would you spend your kill hoping to keep him alive? No way. You kill someone you actually need to die, then prepare your bus of abdel in the coming days. If you don't have to bus, all the better. But there's no way a scumgroup kills for the lynchbait abdel has been since the start of day one.

I am not at all confortable with how you start out the day using the nightkill as a reason to vote. Somehow, I think

someone

on the scumteam argued in favor of the fege kill "because we can't lynch him, he's town, and it's going to incriminate none of us". And you are way too eager to cash in on that, meeps.

Am I the only one who forgot SK existed? I was honestly surprised at 2 kills.

VOTE: Metal Sonic

He comes in and says he likes his role. Pretty much claimed a PR and did nothing to be helpful.

p-edit:
You are voting me because Feg didn't like me. I will accept this vote to honor his death. I would like an explanation eventually though.

p-edit2:
I didn't breadcrumb on purpose and I didn't even breadcrumb a possible role. I said inspector. Also, I am not the only one who breadcrumbed. Look at Metal Sonic.

hey, this guy is scummy!

vote beast

Scum is in { Abdelrahman, Shattered Viewpoint and Metal Sonic }

VOTE: Abdelrahman

I rather kill this first, thank you.

Three strikes and yooouuurrrrr OUT!

[The Purple Rose]

I think, but I'm not 100% here, that perV avoids his scumpartners if possible. That Baldrick vote speaks in his favor, same with SV.

[The Purple Rose]

Shattered Viewpoint (3) - Metal Sonic, Abdelrahman, Evil Regals
beastcharizard (2) - EddieFenix, The Purple Rose
Hopkirk (2) - notscience, Human Destroyer
meeps (2) - oriole, dopog
Human Destroyer (1) - Concombre
Metal Sonic (1) - beastcharizard
Abdelrahaman (1) - meeps
dopog (1) - Hopkirk
notscience (1) - Shattered Viewpoint

Can someone explain to me why I have 0 confidence in any of these wagons, even my own

Because your own wagon is on someone who's way annoying, probably wrong in as many ways as he's right, but regardless putting himself in positions where he's talking as if he's always right. And it's hard to read.

V/LA for a few days

Also god I feel like half this town is scum. Will sort it out and explain later.

This one deserves death.

The Purple Rose, are you going to explain why I am scummy or just hope every else jumps on the wagon?

I am against policy lynches in general. You never know when someone might stop trolling the game. Also, they are an easy lynch for scum to push.

@Mod: The vote count doesn't say how many we need to lynch. It would be appreciated if that was added.

Either works, beast. I don't mind. Beyond what I didn't like about yesterday, what we see in the post I voted you for is a good example of a tell Glork used now and then. And who am I to disagree with Glork?

Am I the only one who forgot SK existed? I was honestly surprised at 2 kills.

The word "honestly" is key. Glork considered it a scumtell and I think he's right. There are multiple ways to look at it, either that the person using the word needs to specify it, because he was dishonest in other posts, or he uses it to put himself in a town perspective. Just imagine you were town and had to say you were surprised that there were two kills. You wouldn't use the word honestly, it's silly in that context.

Hence, beast is scum and I want to lynch him.

[The Purple Rose]

I think a good lynch would be SV, still.

Js

Exactly how do you think posts like this alter your life expectancy?

[The Purple Rose]

Scum-Beast claiming 3-shot Commuter:

any Town Tracker, Town Doctor, or Town Roleblocker will know for sure that he is lying.

How do you figure this? As far as I could see, cop or BP would know for sure. And I'd be rather annoyed if a cop claimed for that here. That's more then beast deserves.

Further - even if it is not geniune; the claim will be easier to verify as the game goes on, and dropping a lynch "just in case" or "wifom", when there are almost definitely players in the game who would know if beast were lying, is pretty rubbish.

It's the only one where he doesn't have to explain why he isn't dead yet. Now I wonder how that helps a fakeclaim of scum on day 2. And @marquis, it's hardly random, being at l-1 he was more or less forced to claim something. This isn't the worst fakeclaim on the board, gives no info, can be counterclaimed by the cop, has the ability to live for a couple more days.

[The Purple Rose]

UNVOTE: Unvote dopog
VOTE: Vote abdelrahman

Why wouldn't a pr claim on l-1. Sounds more like a scum wanting an easy lynch and disappointed about it.

I can't be unhappy with an abdel lynch, but seriously guys, of the available claims, this one is by far the most convenient fakeclaim, and nothing from beasts play makes him anywhere near town.

I'm not stupid, people obviously are moving away from it and with momentum gone, you are actually going to let beast go playing like this. If there were scum on the wagon, and why wouldn't there be since there was no viable counterwagon, depending on if beast is scum they either linger right now if he's town, or got off when they got the moment to do it without looking obvious if they were bussing before. Regardless, SV's move fits what he's been doing this game, Metal Sonic's jump off could be the scum that bussed beast but is eager to hop off. He's not the first, but when momentum is lost he's quite eager to jump ship.

When I have more time, I should investigate the interaction between those two. For the moment, I'm sad to see the beast wagon go. I would still love to lynch him.

[The Purple Rose]

I want to call certain people out as scum but I'm pretty sure most of them are too new to have grasped the concept of a fakehammer yet

I agree! Maybe one of them is scum, who saw others responding to it like that as an opportunity.

[The Purple Rose]

I see that you are all painfully unfamiliar with my patented fakehammer gambit.

yeah and so that allows you to fakehammer any time you want

and you didnt even check back to say its a fake hammer

sorry dude not buying it

It might just be a bit silly to tell everybody "this is a fake, do not react to it in a scummy way". That's rather the purpose, isn't it? To get people worried a lynch actually happened and get reactions this way.

But somehow, you think an experienced player, 1: forgot where his vote was and 2: decided to hammer when someone had just killed the wagon. Even newbies don't do that.

I think this is the reaction SV could ever wish for. You are being an idiot, because it suits you to have a wagon on SV, regardless how townish his play is. Scum rarely fakehammer, it puts them in the center of attention. Town now and then do, they don't mind the attention to get scum to step out and do silly stuff.

You did silly stuff.

vote metal sonic

And PS: why the hell is anyone ever sorry if they are voting as town? Only scum are sorry for someone, if they know they are falsely accusing that person.

[The Purple Rose]

hey, I got prodded. I see nothing really changed, but by now I think Marquis deserves support. What he's saying could very well be true.

vote HD

[The Purple Rose]

I do not understand how you got the idea that either of those is a response.

[The Purple Rose]

With one day to go, I'd be available for a lynch on beast, HD. I cooled down on metal sonic, I just don't know what it is with him. I'll always be happy to lynch KX, I dislike his play, but I can't put to words why, the way I could with beast. I don't want to lynch notscience or SV.

[The Purple Rose]

yay, we won!