NY 168: (GAME OVER) The Mod is Dead, Fire and Ice Edition
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/confirmBulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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@Mod: Does this game actually have fire and ice mechanics, or are the names purely flavor?
Vote YuniChikakoBulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Why is this an indication of her being scum and not an indication of her being busy?In post 38, Maxous wrote: I'm serious about being suspect of Arc Angel for taking so long to confirm and start the game btwBulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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What about all those who confirmed after or haven't confirmed yet?In post 42, Maxous wrote:because it would take a minute? less?
Fire & Ice is in the title. I think it's pretty clear it's multiball.In post 44, mastin2 wrote:If this game was advertised as being multiscum, I never read enough to have caught that, but now that we're here, it's clear that it is.
Townslip? Where?In post 44, mastin2 wrote: and, yes, I am town; I kinda townslipped in my last post accidentally so I'm basically going to be rambling the whole game
It isn't. I just checked. The kills won't cancel each other out.In post 44, mastin2 wrote: Still, though, if this Fire and Ice game is like the open
It's nice to know you've set the bar so low...In post 44, mastin2 wrote: Don't expect anything stellar, though. Last time, I got good because I replaced in. I'm a far more mediocre player when playing from the start, and only elevate to scumhunting-pseudo-god when replacing in or after enough time has passed that I can mimic the effect. Basically, when playing from the start, I've got a switch flipped to the off position, called "sheep me". Right now, "sheep me" is flipped off; you shouldn't be doing it. When I get my head into the game, I'll let you know when the switch has been flipped and you should follow.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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My point is that it's a null behavior, since activity is not alignment indicative.In post 51, Maxous wrote:
Pere and Mastin did'nt post since thursday before today. (I assume v/la)In post 48, Bulbazak wrote:
What about all those who confirmed after or haven't confirmed yet?In post 42, Maxous wrote:because it would take a minute? less?
I assume the other 2 are'nt playing.
Anyone I missed?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Explain.
How is that a townslip?In post 55, mastin2 wrote:
Here. It's there if you know where to look. Once I posted that, I knew I shouldn't have posted it, 'cause it made me obvtown AGAIN, meaning I'm dead in the first two nights regardless of how accurate my reads are.In post 48, Bulbazak wrote:Townslip? Where?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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I was planning on voting him anyway. That's just when I happened to come in.In post 59, JKLM wrote:4th vote on a ten vote required wagon is scummiest spot as it signifies the start of a wagon.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Is there a reason why you think Yuni is town?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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JKLM, if I was scum, I would have avoided that wagon like the plague.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Why? I agree with Garmr's reasons for voting Yuni. Why would I jump on that wagon as scum, but not as town? Since when are you an expert on my scum game? Oh, and you haven't answered this:In post 64, JKLM wrote:No you wouldn't. As town you would have.
In post 61, Bulbazak wrote:Is there a reason why you think Yuni is town?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Why?In post 68, YuniChikako wrote:just the thought of him being inno forms a pit in my stomach.
I'm not.In post 68, YuniChikako wrote: Plus, why in the world is he voting Arc, of all people?
In post 68, YuniChikako wrote: Toomai: I'll might be able to say something once he stops/finishes his dbz marathon and talks more.
You did? I must have missed them.In post 68, YuniChikako wrote: Bulbazak: Stated my reasons already.
What don't you like?In post 72, Yiley wrote:So ya I'm not liking slandaar here. I'm not really liking bulba either.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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JKLM, why aren't you answering me?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Explain.In post 81, Yiley wrote:I don't like the way you started...Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Are you ever planning on addressing my questions, Yiley?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Why so slow to the party, PV?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Why aren't you considering JKLM?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Actually, it's the same amount of scum, just split up into multiple teams.In post 109, mastin2 wrote: Multiscum doesn't mean "everyone's scum". It just means that there are more scum than normal.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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JKLM did the same thing. Why Yiley specifically?In post 128, Garmr wrote: and even through I am suspicious of toonami I will vote Yiley
VOTE: Yiley
He seems like his dodging Bulbs question by not explaining fully or not answering post 81(Didn't anwser fully) post 93 doesn't even mention it. There's other reasons as well but I want to see who's thinkingBulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Matias, do you have any reasons for Garmr being scum other than "eh" "ew" and "yuck"?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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It was the first response to Yuni's actions. Woop de doo! How does that make it scummy? To be honest, his thoughts about Yuni's post mirror mine. Just because you don't like the wagon doesn't automatically make the person who began pushing it scum.In post 137, Matias wrote:
I was uneasy about this because it was the first response and set the precedent of a really bad wagon.VOTE: Yunichikwowwow
I don't like this response from Yuni. I don't understand the reason why she didn't place the vote down. If it was because of the pregame thing why did she respond to it and why did she show intent to vote.
So he didn't get an obvious joke until later. That's scummy how?In post 137, Matias wrote: Because he questioned mastin without noting a very obvious joke.
He had scum reads on JKLM and Yuni, who were pushing my wagon. Hence he didn't like my wagon. What's so hard to follow?In post 137, Matias wrote:
Didn't explain this and it's a blatant defense of you for no reason whatsoeverAlso I don't like the bulb wagon that much or some of the people on it. Looking at JKLM/Yunichikawowwow
How so?In post 137, Matias wrote:
This gave me a definite "insider knowledge" feelThe reason I said look at it in none alignment way was I was trying to get you to think. I didn't want to shove Ideas into your head so what I wanted you to see and figure out for yourself was the effect he wanted from his post. Which was distance.
Since we have two scum team distance is going to play a big part in scum hunting since scum will be legit hunting. The next step I was going to ask you to do was think this was this town trying to distance themselves from potential buddying or scum trying to stop a scum slip.
I don't. It feels more like Garmr is trying not to infect Maxous with his ideas and is wanting to hear natural conclusions from him, but I can at least understand how you came to this conclusion.In post 137, Matias wrote: I sense a great connect between Maxous and Garmr, like Garmr is doing a lot of coaching.
He explains it at the end. Although, to be fair, I did push him on his reasons for voting Yiley.In post 137, Matias wrote:
And this. Just a lot of that shit about Toomai and he falls on Yiley instead? There is absolutely no indication as to why or how he should vote Yiley over Toomai here.But at the time being that isn't enough evidence to label you as scum and the other things you stood up well against.
UNVOTE: Yunichikwowwow
and even through I am suspicious of toonami I will vote Yiley
VOTE: Yiley
He seems like his dodging Bulbs question by not explaining fully or not answering post 81(Didn't anwser fully) post 93 doesn't even mention it. There's other reasons as well but I want to see who's thinking
I asked him about his reasons for voting Yiley. Therefore, this post didn't come out of left field, and I don't think it weakens any of his previous arguments.In post 137, Matias wrote:
Considering he posted this right after, it weakens whatever argument he had against Toomai, if not nullifies it. He's doing a lot of weird shit between the two.In post 130, Garmr wrote:Well I was trying to get others to think but another reason is when I denied to go on your wagon. Yiley instanally jumped to the wagon I was on. I didn't like that it was like an attempt to get close to town.
This post also rings to me he want to be on a scum wagon but his aiming to dodge the bullet from scum on the other team by trying to look like useless town.In post 77, Yiley wrote:I like wagons ok? Wagons are fun. I'll probably try to start one soon but for right now I need a place to sit, and I like sitting on wagons.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Except he didn't ask Mastin that. He finally got a joke and commented and laughed about it.In post 145, Matias wrote: Scum like to ask fake questions (I do this a lot; review my scum games) and his "hey mastin I'm curious why did you say he was ice?" struck me as one.
I didn't get that from his post at all.In post 145, Matias wrote: I dislike this reasoning because it detracts from any prior suspicion on Toomai and he comes out of this seeming like he's defending him.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Garmr's thought process has appeared very genuine to me, and I can actually understand it. He's actually trying to figure out who scum is and is processing the game in a manner that I don't think scum would. I'm sorry, I just don't see him being scum, and he's actually my strongest townread.In post 148, Matias wrote: What is it about my hunch do you disagree with?
I didn't see that at all. I just saw him pursuing one read over another.In post 148, Matias wrote: It seems like he went out of his way to completely detract from his argument on Toomai to be able to vote Yiley.
P-edit: Yeah, I F3'd his ISO and couldn't find anything. I have my own ideas about it, but I think that is something better left for Garmr to answer.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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If he's like me, he's probably not posting everything he's thinking.In post 151, Matias wrote:Why would you think that he would have a read on JKLM prior to that post?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Vote JKLMBulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Do you see what I see?In post 198, JKLM wrote:May as well ask a question to mastin, TSO and matias: what is the scummiest post so far?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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It's a lazy scum tactic. You get others to do your work for you, and then you side with them, pretending to scum hunt.In post 215, Matias wrote:No?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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He hasn't posted anything since that, and now that I've pointed it out, I doubt he's going to just mindlessly agree.In post 222, Matias wrote: I will note that, but your point would have more weight if JKLM had instantly agreed with what any of us had to say.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Yuni keeping her options open is making me wonder why I ever unvoted her in the first place.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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How can you be so sure?In post 245, Yiley wrote:I am indeed. Gar and dry I am 100% sure at least one of them is mafiaBulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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We need more JKLM votes.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Do you have a town read on JKLM?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Explain, because I'm not seeing it.
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I felt his defense of Yuni was strange and not sincere. Then there's his trying to get other people to scumhunt for him, and his lurking, which while I normally don't take it as a scumtell, the fact that he's purposely trying to avoid the discussion, while watching it, tells me that he's not interested in finding scum at all.In post 291, Yiley wrote:How you seeing scum bulba?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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I've seen him do this as scum.In post 298, Slandaar wrote:
He has shown quite a lot of aggression and then flat out states he is going to sit back as he has nothing to say as a newbie(very town) while being proactive in the same post.In post 290, Bulbazak wrote: Explain, because I'm not seeing it.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Not right now.
Hmm... I didn't, did I?In post 316, Maxous wrote: so,
I explained JKLM-town.
TSO explained JKLM-town. I think somebody else did too.
you did'nt adress any of these.
yet youstillgo 'idk man, I just can't see how JKLM can be town'.
Why?
Your main point for JKLM-town is his aggressiveness early in the game. The problem is that I've seen him be aggressive like that as scum, so that is not enough to convince me. I don't think his play in this game shows the town motivation that you say is there, and as such, I want JKLM strung up from the highest tree.In post 295, Bulbazak wrote: I felt his defense of Yuni was strange and not sincere. Then there's his trying to get other people to scumhunt for him, and his lurking, which while I normally don't take it as a scumtell, the fact that he's purposely trying to avoid the discussion, while watching it, tells me that he's not interested in finding scum at all.
You know as well as I that the speed of a wagon means nothing. Stop pushing surface crap Mastin. I know you're better than this as town.In post 335, mastin2 wrote:This Dry-fit wagon feels like it's on scum, and I'll tell you why--because, contrary to the Yunichika wagon which appeared basically overnight, this one hasn't. It hasn't exploded into an L-2 wagon. Its built gradually and steadily. Furthermore, while the points against Yunichika were fairly weak and rushed (making the wagon on her unwarranted), the points against Dry-fit feel like they're more solid and grounded in reality.
Get ready. He's scum this game.In post 338, T S O wrote:Mastin's gonna be a bitch to beat if he's scum this game, dammit.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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That AtE...In post 365, Dry-fit wrote:Go ahead and lynch me. This is probably the worst game I've played on site.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Pacman, Slandaar is town. JKLM is not.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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In post 389, OhGodMyLife wrote:I know I have confirmation bias because I already believe my own theory but come on now. Toomai/dry scum team. Opposing scum team adjust your aim accordingly.
You're overcompensating in your attempt to look townie...Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Mastin, don't you dare pull this patronizing crap on me. Your posts feel artificial as crap.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Now that it's finished, absolutely: The Legend of Zelda: Defense of Hyrule. Watch closely how aggressively JKLM goes after Waynegg d1.In post 404, Maxous wrote:@BulbazakCan you show me this game where JKLM was agressive as scum pls? I'll take a quick look through it
Also, where's my cookie?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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I don't accept non-cake desserts to be lies.In post 413, Maxous wrote:
The cookie is a lie :SIn post 408, Bulbazak wrote:Also, where's my cookie?
In other news, Mastin is continuing to speak in double talk..
So do you think Mastin is town?In post 432, Garmr wrote:
I've listed so many things why JKLM is scum. But this Bolded part shows me something important. You have confirmation bias because even when thrown heaps of information that JKLM you still believe him to be town. Lets put it this way JKLM>Dryfit chances to be scum.In post 429, mastin2 wrote:
Because he is?In post 399, Garmr wrote:Tell me how this guy is a town wagon again.
I might not be an expert at JKLM.But I'd like to think I'm not incompetent at reading him, and he looks like town.
So? That just means he's not scum with JKLM.In post 434, Dry-fit wrote:Also Toomai is on that wagon, so there's that. Still think Toomai is significantly more likely to be scum.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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I want an Aptil PL now.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Vote AptilBulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Hello Ice Scum.In post 484, YuniChikako wrote:Well. No reason given from Aptil to vote Dry-fit, this is certainly interesting. TSO, I'd like to know why you seem to dismiss that hammer. Possible maf partner noted.
Oh my gosh Maxouswasmaf. I feel so happy.
VOTE: Aptil, and he better give me a good reason why he's inno if he wants to change my vote
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What inquiry would that be, Scumstin?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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No clue. I'd probably have to reread him in ISO. I just know that this is not town Mastin posting. There's a lot of double talk from him, where he's giving himself outs, and he's playing it way too safe, which I think is due to this being a multi-scum game.In post 496, Desperado wrote: @ Bulb: Which team is Mastin on?
@Aptil: There was still no excuse for that quicklynch. You should have still given intent, as well as more time, before you hammered. We were nowhere near deadline, so really, that hammer of yours was inexcusable.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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I'll catch up when I get back.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Mainly this one. Mastin came across as strongly town there, and I'm not getting the same from him here. I'm also looking at his posts and noticing how weak they are stance-wise, and how he's built himself so many outs. Mastin is not giving me the town feels that I got in that game, and I don't think there's a reason why he wouldn't play so strongly in this game than he would in that one.In post 509, Desperado wrote: @ Bulb: What games are you using to base your metaread?
^Worst. Disguise. Ever.In post 524, NJAC wrote: BTW: this is my first multiscum game so I'm still trying to understand if typical scumhunting works or not. I also have the impression that multiscum games are a bit easier for us the town, I mean someone (mastin IIRC) mentioned a game where town won because the scum groups killed each other. So that should give us some advantage because scum are trying to get rid of each other. Am I right? Of course I understand there's a balance so this is not going to be that easy, but at least the ice group already helped us to get rid of one scum.
Read that game and find out. He does take strong stances, that's for sure. He's not doing so here, and I feel he is more concerned with making sure he has a plan of escape, rather than finding scum.In post 526, NJAC wrote: How does town-mastin post?
I don't see why he'd be playing it safe, especially since he didn't play it safe when he was IC, and especially since he voiced that he might be killed. Besides, why would he prioritize survival over scumhunting? Even as a PR, that's more dangerous and anti-town than just scumhunting while keeping a low profile.In post 526, NJAC wrote: Do you think is it possible he's playing safe to avoid being NKed? I mean he says he is a likely target on N1 or N2 in multiscum games, what do you think?
Know something I don't? Why the strong defense of Mastin?In post 526, NJAC wrote: Also, is it possible he hasn't had enough time to engage in this game properly?
Hmm....In post 530, mastin2 wrote:ptil's (relative) lack of experience (and my judgment on his current skill level as a player) combined with his slightly-out-of-place defense of Bulbazak. Nothing's changed it; the only way I can see aptil as scum is if he's scum with Bulbazak. And even if Bulbazak is scum, it's no guarantee of aptil being scum. It's just that if Bulbazak isn't scum, aptil isn't scum either. For the record, yes, I currently lean towards Bulb being scum and aptil being town.
You know it is possible that scum could be voting other scum, right?In post 577, aptil wrote:This wagon has at least 3 scum from .
Maxous- confirmed .
Evil ,Toomai - most likely .
Bulbazak- a little less than above two .
Garmr - most unlikely .
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How many times have you seen scum Mastin in a multiball game?In post 586, Desperado wrote: The scumMastin I know hates leaving himself outs and taking weak stances.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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I think he's playing it very carefully, because he doesn't have to contend with just town this time. He knows that his normal play would probably result in him being killed, and he knows that would be bad for his team (Remember, he's against bussing for similar reasons.). He's laying low, and I read over his posts, and I know for a fact that we're not dealing with town Mastin this game.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Why don't you think JKLM is scum?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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I'm looking at his posts in general. I'm looking at how he's wording his posts, how they're weak and fake. It's not like I saw 1 thing in 1 specific post. It's a cumulative effect.In post 598, T S O wrote:
What posts, specifically?In post 589, Bulbazak wrote:I think he's playing it very carefully, because he doesn't have to contend with just town this time. He knows that his normal play would probably result in him being killed, and he knows that would be bad for his team (Remember, he's against bussing for similar reasons.). He's laying low, and I read over his posts, and I know for a fact that we're not dealing with town Mastin this game.
That's what I was saying, although I don't think that anymore.In post 604, NJAC wrote:Also I don't like soft accusations so if you think I'm scum disguising my entrance post say it clear.
Policy.In post 604, NJAC wrote: Now, if you think this is scum-mastin who is posting, why are you voting aptil over mastin?
2 problems with this:In post 608, mastin2 wrote:Honestly, this begs the question. Dry-fit wasn't scum. Why was there a counter-wagon to him forming? My best guess is that one or more of the other wagons in the previous votecount (Toomai/Yunichika/Bulbazak/Desperado/Maxous) was on scum, and that they wanted to ensure that the lynch was guaranteed to--if not on town--at least not be on their faction of scum. In particular, I'm thinking about the Toomai and Bulbazak wagons. Probably not for the same faction, but both having a significant chance of being FROM a faction.
1.) There was never a serious wagon like you were implying on either Toomai or myself. Both of those wagons never really went beyond 3 votes, definitely not when Dry-Fit was scum. They were very minor wagons and never leading wagons, meaning there would have been no reason to create a counter-wagon if either of us were scum.
2.) You are discounting the possibility that JKLM could have been a town created wagon, mainly because said players didn't like the Dry-Fit wagon. That's actually a very big oversight Mastin, and one I don't think you would make as town.
That's incorrect actually. You had already reached your conclusions before you ever did your "reread" or "analysis". Anybody who has been paying attention will notice that your reads have never changed. All you really did was go back to the VCs and come up with ways to justify those reads, which tells me they were fake in the first place. In other words, NJAC is right (and saying what I have been) in that your scumhunting is fake, simply meant to look like the real thing.In post 611, mastin2 wrote:I actuallyhavereached conclusions. I've got a ton of townreads,anda preliminary callout on the entirety of both scumteams:
{Maxous, Bulb, Slandaar} and {PeregrineV, Toomai, NJAC}.
That's anything BUT "no conclusions".Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Yuni is scum. I doubt she's scum with Aptil, though. In fact, replace Slandaar with Yuni, and I think you have a winner. Maxous was heavily defending Yuni, as was JKLM, who was actively seeking a counter wagon. That leaves Aptil as Ice if she is scum. Slandaar and Yiley are both town.In post 617, evilpacman18 wrote: Bulba, what are you seeing in Yuni? Do you think aptil and Yuni are scum buddies?Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Wagon speed means nothing. Yiley's play is reminding me of his town play in his first Newbie game, only without him being so shy.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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How is Mastin town? Because he can post walls?In post 634, PeregrineV wrote:Mastin is probably town, but@Mastin- focus on finding scum, sort the teams out as it becomes necessary.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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No he hasn't. He already knew what conclusions he wanted to reach, and then made up some BS for each VC so that he could reach them. If you had been paying attention to his posts this game, you should not have been surprised by any of his conclusions.In post 637, PeregrineV wrote:He is actually attempting to reach conclusions.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Yuni, I loved how you buddied up to Mastin and Slandaar, while keeping their suspects alive and well as potential lynches.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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In post 655, PeregrineV wrote:
Yes, he reached those conclusions on weak information, and then tried to bolster them through some VCA. But, he always does that. The fact is you can see HOW he reached his weak conclusions in the first place.In post 638, Bulbazak wrote:No he hasn't. He already knew what conclusions he wanted to reach, and then made up some BS for each VC so that he could reach them. If you had been paying attention to his posts this game, you should not have been surprised by any of his conclusions.
Think of it as putting the cart before the horse. The horse will push instead of pull, and it's not as efficient, but you'll still get to where you are going in the end.
Go look at just his first 11 posts and get back to me with thoughts.
Prod dodge. Will get to this later today.In post 657, T S O wrote:So went back and re-read for the sole purpose of sorting out Mastin. To really test this, I looked at readslists, got my conclusions, then checked his.
re: Maxous' readslists, they're exactly the same, exactly. the. same.
Bulba, I tried, but pretty sure you're incorrect here.Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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I forgot I was quoting those...Bulbazak is so town that everytime someone votes him Mastin coughs blood.- Nachomamma8, Maniacal Street Mafia
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Mastin starts off by faking ignorance of the game being multiball. How do I know it was fake? Two things: He was asked by the mod to play, and he mentions the game advertisement. Both stem from the same reasoning. The game advertisement had the game name in great big letters:In post 655, PeregrineV wrote: Go look at just his first 11 posts and get back to me with thoughts., and I would assume the mod would tell him the game name when asking him to sign up (Heck, I have people ask questions about upcoming games before they even pre-in, there's no way the most basic of information didn't get across.). Fire and Ice. The freaking title tells you it's multiball! I looked at the title when signing up and said, "Hey, look, a multiball game.". To be ignorant of this after having been both asked by the mod AND seeing the game advertisement means that Mastin would be incapable of putting even the most basic of conclusions together. Mastin's pretty clever, so I doubt this is the case.Fire and Ice
Next he tries to get early towncred by essentially saying "Oops. I townslipped.". That is an incredible obvious plant. If you point out your own townslip, it means it should no longer be trusted, especially if you call it a townslip. Town tends to be pretty ignorant of when they slip, and if they realize their mistake, they don't point it out in the manner Mastin did. His "Oops..." was meant to be seen, because he wanted the towncred early and didn't want to work for it in a game with multiple scum factions. Continuing off of this, he sets his standard of play very low in the exact same post. He doesn't want anyone to have high expectations for him this game, because he doesn't want to put himself out there too much. Why not? Again, it's multiball, and he doesn't want to make himself a night target for the other scumteam. If there was only 1 team in this game, he'd be towning it up, but he's playing it careful, which is why he's using contrived methods to gain towncred.
Then you have his interactions with Maxous. Do I think they're on the same team? Absolutely. He's the first to identify Maxous as scum, In fact, he actually identifies him correctly as fire scum. His voting of him straight off the bat is distancing. He's not bussing. Mastin doesn't bus, not in the traditional sense. He's smart about it. He doesn't want anyone to draw a connection between him and Maxous, and while he's going to call Maxous scum, he doesn't intend to keep his vote on him for very much longer. In fact, once someone gives him an out, JKLM in this case, Mastin immediately moves his vote off his so called strongest scum read. In fact, his vote stays off Maxous, all the while, Mastin continues to call him scum while not acting upon his read.
Finally, we end with Mastin's scumread of Aptil. Where did that come from? Well, it seems Aptil actually questioned one of Mastin's moves. Mastin immediately calls her scum. Although he answers her question, he doesn't do so completely, in fact, he ignores the very thing that Aptil had suspected about him.
All in all, Mastin's posts are meant to look impressive more than anything else. In reality, they are fluff containing very little content. Mastin has lacked conviction in his posts and has always given himself outs through verboseness. His posts are words for the sake of words, and he really could have said what he needed to in much less, but he wanted to create an impenetrable maze. This is careful Mastin. This is sly Mastin. Thisis nottown Mastin.
@PeregrineV: I've been thinking lately of a FEA block of much towniness. Thoughts?
After rereading what PV wanted me to, I think I'm right on the money concerning my Mastin read.In post 657, T S O wrote: Bulba, I tried, but pretty sure you're incorrect here.
Just because someone's reads match your own or they echo your thoughts back to you, that doesn't mean they're town. I fell into that pitfall with my family. Don't do the same in this game.In post 666, T S O wrote: Mastin analysed Maxous' readlists and came up with conclusions. To test his mindset, I did it myself before looking at his conclusions. We had the same ones.
Whether that's good or bad, idk, but it indicates Mastin-town.
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