NY 174: Oldy Mafia 2 (Game Over)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Red Leader: All wings check in.

Vote Save the Dragons

[Albert B. Rampage]

When did Shanba sign up for this?

[Albert B. Rampage]

When did Shanba sign up for this?

Any chance there could be an actual opinion coming from you, ABR?

FoS:ABR

No, I'm overcome by nostalgia.

VitaminR

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote LoudMouthLee

[Albert B. Rampage]

Serious vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

People I'm willing to lynch:

Petrolumjelly
Glork
LoudMouthLee

People I think are town:

DGB
VitaminR
farside22

[Albert B. Rampage]

Serious vote.

And would you like to elaborate on your motives?

Wow I don't remember you at all.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VitaminR's defense of the two leading wagons is legit, his suspicion of LML is warranted, and he's on the right track. Yosarian's assertion that the only reason why VitaminR would come to the defense of mafiaSSK and Tigras is because he knows their alignments, is misleading. The fact that Green Crayons references Yosarian's post confounds the issue. I believe in the LML wagon. VitaminR has my support.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Incidentally, I am SUPER DUPER AMUSED that people are crying foul at MafiaSSK's "big wagons good" theory, when

at the time he referred to my wagon as "almighty" he jumped AWAY from it, thereby creating a greater spread of votes.

Like, this wagon is legit based on nothing SSK did to actually hurt the game, and just on his theory crafting.

It's the beginning of the game, voting based on "theory crafting" is superior to randomly. We will gain more insight into the game with long bandwagons, determined very arbitrarily for the most part, and the quality of which will shape the outcome of the rest of the game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

LML, good choice, lock and load

[Albert B. Rampage]

I feel like this is Mafiascum: Heroes vs. Villains

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't like the Seol bandwagon.

4.)

VitaminR, who do you think the "weak" players are in this game? And yes, I ask this question with the knowledge that you are unlikely to be making friends with your answer.

VitaminR, please answer the question.

[Albert B. Rampage]

His votes don't inspire trust.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Go fly a kite chamber, we're trying to catch scum here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Chamber why don't you have a seat on this couch right here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No. No. No. NO.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I need both of you to trust me. Right now, okay? Please just work with me here, and I promise I will explain everything later, okay?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Everything I did....I did it for the family....

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sotty thoughts on LML and petroleumjelly?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I need both of you to trust me. Right now, okay? Please just work with me here, and I promise I will explain everything later, okay?

This is a quote from breaking bad. When Walter goes No no no NO.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Petroleumjelly

"May switch my vote soon" is scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VitR switch your vote to jelly

[Albert B. Rampage]

I agree, that's why we should vote for jelly now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote petroleum, vote LML

I will revisit this suspicion later.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Kill LML

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote LML, vote Petroleumjelly

[Albert B. Rampage]

LML sounds town here. I'm not convinced.

[Albert B. Rampage]

YES!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Am I voting petroleumjelly?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, I am. Good.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm fine with LML's recent posting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't like this shift from petroleumjelly.

[Albert B. Rampage]

its an excuse ton distract from PJ

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey Bookitty!

- Still happy with my LML vote. Found his four-point case (Post 451) against PJ flawed and unpersuasive. I'm curious how the other PJ-voters (

Albert, Vitamin, Bookitty

) feel about LML's four-point case.

I agree with the gist of it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I completely disagree with lynching Bookitty. If she's killed, I will hold those voting her responsible.

PJ needs to eat rope immediately.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't care that you're still fine lynching Bookitty. She's town and you should feel bad.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The case against Seol is laughably weak. He put some votes early on and absented himself after that. BIG DEAL. You carry that over to Bookitty and tear her apart for actually trying to contribute to the game. Keep pretending Bookitty is scummy, she's not. She is plainly and clearly what she says she is; a VT. Have you been so long away from this game that intuitive reasoning and you have split paths? Get your act together.

Yosarian, what are you talking about!??!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sotty, you really don't belong on this bandwagon. Out, please.

The rest of the Bookitty bandwagon looks like the Batman Rogues Gallery. Literally the scummiest players in the game. 2-3 scum right there.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm shocked that you think that Bookitty scum would amiably resign herself to town players lynching her because "it would yield information as she's interacted with everyone". And just claim VT like that. That's nonsensical. Keep scumhunting, keep the day going, and lynch someone else, like PJ.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Listen to Glork when he tells you to unvote Bookitty and vote PJ.

[Albert B. Rampage]

do not lynch bookitty

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also, not related to the previous; I've played with DrippingGoofball quite a bit in the old days and I know she's an accurate scumhunter. In one game I played with her and Adel she spotted the scum pretty much 1-2-3. She's worth listening to when she's town, and I think she is here.

*cough cough*

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote CES

Let's lynch this guy instead.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VitR could very well be scum, I don't see why he would vote LML as town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wrong. And you're also completely wrong about CES.

Also:

Vote:LML

One of the two of you or both are scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You forgot this one:

VitR could very well be scum, I don't see why he would vote LML as town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There's NO WAY that CES is looking town right now. Vote him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bookitty (7) -- Sotty7, Shanba, Cogito Ergo Sum, chamber, mathcam, undo, CrashTextDummie

We need to lynch from this player pool.

Vote: mathcam

[Albert B. Rampage]

One kill out of seven players is meaningless.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have no reason to trust PJ. I can't say that I know for certain that he's scum though.

Unvote, vote UT

This is acceptable.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Green Crayons, what has Yosarian done to make you think he's so strongly town?

[Albert B. Rampage]

PJ thoughts on Untrod Tripod, mathcam and Yosarian?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote mathcam

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Yos

Are you on the fence with CES, or do you think he's scum?

[Albert B. Rampage]

MBL no vote = bad

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not voting at the moment. Am I bad?

bad

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yep, it's confirmed. mathcam is scum. Bookitty, fetch me some rope.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lay down your votes, fools.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Lynch mathcam. PLEASE lynch mathcam. EVERYBODY.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I start out the day by voting mathcam, then he votes for me with flimsy half-baked characterizations, and then accuses me of OMGUS. He's caught. Lynch him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think he just made a genuine-sounding post.

Mathcam on the other hand I don't intend to let escape me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I start out the day by voting mathcam, then he votes for me with flimsy half-baked characterizations, and then accuses me of OMGUS. He's caught. Lynch him.

Replace mathcam with DrippingGoofball and you with me and I'm wondering why you aren't voting DrippingGoofball instead of distracting from it.

Why aren't you voting mathcam?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Breathe in, breathe out, move on.

I voted mathcam because out of everyone who was on LML's bandwagon, mathcam looked the most like the one bussing, although CTD is a close call.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm tired.

I mean out of the people voting Bookitty, mathcam is the scummiest.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Separate sentence: CTD looks like the one bussing LML the most, out of the LML bandwagon, and is a close call for being my next top vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

First, the "breathe in, breathe out" commentary towards Glork's alleged "tilt" does not seem sincere or necessary. I don't like it.

It's a song by Jimmy Buffet.

I start out the day by voting mathcam, then he votes for me with flimsy half-baked characterizations, and then accuses me of OMGUS. He's caught. Lynch him.

Replace mathcam with DrippingGoofball and you with me and I'm wondering why you aren't voting DrippingGoofball instead of distracting from it.

It appears that you were right.

Unvote mathcam, vote DGB

She's too quick to abandon the previous bandwagon to add herself to mine. She's scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bookitty (6) -- Sotty7, Shanba, Cogito Ergo Sum, chamber, mathcam, undo

Here's who I am leaning scum on: UT, Mathcam, STD, Sotty

There's scum here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm pretty sure mathcam or Sotty is scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You've made an enemy out of a friend DGB, and now I won't unvote you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What about yesterday STD?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're soft and sensitive. Please. I hunt scum, I don't dawdle about.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Do it, guys.

[Albert B. Rampage]

That's my logic. And yet you are voting me. So I'm voting you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I left you alone despite your craziness. Then you vote me. OK DGB. Shots fired.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I really wish the leading wagon was on someone other than DGB, not because I think shes town, but because I find her so hard to read that I don't find it useful in figuring out the rest of the game ._.

I see where you're coming from, but hey she already claimed, let's just take this bandwagon to its logical conclusion.

[Albert B. Rampage]

All aboard for the DGB train!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Maybe you're not. It's OK if you want to replace out, if not I think you're scum, because why would you first call me a cop and then vote for me at the first opportunity to bandwagon when I haven't said anything against you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Do it, guys.

If you were town you'd read me as town.

So let me get this straight. If I'm town, I should read you as town. If you're town, you can read me as scum, vote for me without any reason, and declare everyone except one person on your bandwagon is scum.

Sounds like something scum would say, sorry.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Because Glork and PJ gave reasoning and I understand their viewpoint, while you hopped on very opportunistically. You should know more about how I play than they do as they haven't been in a game with me in 5 years. Also I had completely forgotten that we were ever locking horns before you mentioned it, so it's nothing personal. The only time I recall that we were trying to lynch each other was when we were both scum, anyway, and it now looks like you're going down and trying to drag me with you in a last-ditch distancing gambit.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your shift between "Albert is a cop with a guilty on mathcam" to "Albert is scum" doesn't seem sincere to me at all.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not out to get you or to cause you grief. If you're suffering right now, you need to ask the mod for a replacement or even leave the house and look for help.

The things you're saying in this thread, can and will be interpreted as "gaming", trying to play tricks, and deceiving other people because you have an agenda. You've lied many times in "game threads". We were both in games where people blamed personal problems to get away with things when they drew a role that required them to lie. So if you're sincere, I ask you to leave this game, tend to your pressing concerns, and I wish you the best of luck. If you're playing mafia to relax and you're finding yourself more tense, you're not letting anybody down by taking a real break, not saying that you need a break, asking me not to talk to you, while you're still sitting there while voting for me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

#1291 is extremely simplistic and naive, even. Is Glork usually this straightforward in his reasoning?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was away from the game. When I came back, the thread was locked and LML was lynched.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Untrod Tripod's vote on undo wasn't town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Untrod Tripod

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Glork

[Albert B. Rampage]

This is a good deal, guys, let's take it.

DGB, speaking on behalf of this town, I promise you that we will lynch the players on your scum list, based on the surely sound analysis that you will be providing.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lol ^

[Albert B. Rampage]

Enough to vote?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm willing to go the distance with you, and there will be others joining our cause as well.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I will vote for you in my next post if you make another post without analysis.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I will vote for you in my next post if you make another post without analysis.

Big threats coming from a guy who has jumped onto nearly half the game and neither said not accomplished anything.

You interpretation of the game is so pathetically literal, it's shocking you've made it this far. Personally, I prefer throwing my support behind this wagon or that until the sound emerges from the noise, but, by all means, keep spouting your backwards rhetoric.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote PJ

I can throw my support behind this, as promised.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Untrod Tripod

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote: DrippingGoofball
Vote: Glork

Reason?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote mathcam

Untrod Tripod is suspicious for shamelessly bandwagonning at the most precarious moments. Seems no one else wants to vote him now, so I'll switch my vote back to mathcam, as he's my main suspect now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@chamber and VitaminR

What the hell are you two talking about???

Yosarian made an award-winning post, completely logical and I agree with everything he says. I'm very upset at chamber and VitaminR's ambuiguous replies.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Both chamber and mathcam wanting a UT lynch now makes me think that UT is town. Mathcam/everyone else, what are your thoughts on Porochaz? He has received very little attention in this entire game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What do you mean CES is talking about his TOWN READS? He said SCUM TEAM. How is that a TOWN READ?

[Albert B. Rampage]

chamber and VitaminR, explain why you think that CES saying scum team: DGB/Sotty/ABR/Green Crayons is his confusing way of giving a town read.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I just won a scum game a few hours ago, didn't gloat...that's really petty.

And FYI deadline is approaching really soon, I would claim if I were you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=47172

Here you go.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Glork, could you kindly help us lynch mathcam, please?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote VitaminR

Join me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ignore MBL case, vote VitaminR.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I will post a case in time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

mathcam's Post 1578 reads pretty genuine to me. Not a fan of this wagon.

I know this to be from a scum's perspective. I can't articulate my thoughts very well, but VitaminR sees mathcam as town, because he knows he's town, unlike the rest of the townies who see mathcam in shades of gray. Our attention isn't honed in on every genuine thing he says, because we recognize the ambiguity in his posts and can't relate to him that much.

VitaminR doesn't know what opinion to have, so he invents an opinion, and it happens to coincide nicely with what he knows, that mathcam is town. At this point, mathcam lynch will probably happen, and he's happy for it to happen without him. He's not pushing alternate bandwagons because he's happy seeing "genuine mathcam" getting lynched.

Eh, did not see that coming.

Unvote, vote: Glork

This vote is such a throwaway. "I can't vote for that guy so I will vote this guy so that I'm voting someone".

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If you look at VitaminR's post 58 onward, his statements and questions are painfully obviously filler. Noise. A pony show he has to put on to keep him off the radar.

I'm convinced that VitaminR is scum from his posts in the last several pages.

I do agree and can relate with some of his sentiments, however, such as:

Unvote, Vote: Glork

Glork's been bothering me all day. Also, this DGB wagon is real easy and I don't like how he's pushing it. Posts like this one seem real simplistic for someone like Glork:

I don't think I've seen DGB simply acquiesce to being lynched as either alignment. The impression I got from her "I give up" post is that it worked for Bookie, so it might just work for her.

Glork REALLY DOES have a way too straightforward and simplistic game.

Although I'm not sure if VitaminR is just parrotting me, like he parrotted chamber criticizing Yosarian's quote of CES.

I wouldn't play my hand this early unless I had something serious to go on. It's VitaminR. I urge you all to join it.

PS: Pretty much all of my previous suspicions, before VitaminR, were very weak. That's why I made two mistakes in a post about who I thought was scum; my heart wasn't in it. I always fabricate reads and reasons to get the ball rolling, when I've got nothing. Fake your reads until you have them.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VitR should be our lynch today.

Ha, you can't seriously believe that. I've found your scumhunting underwhelming all game and this would be the icing on the cake. Please explain why you would think this.

Disengenuous.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VitaminR spends a lot more time defending other players than investigating and pressuring. He parks his vote on Glork for most of the day. Says there's something "off" about PJ and joins the bandwagon, then goes back to Glork. This is all very, very suspicious behavior. I could quote, and analyze, and write paragraphs, but I won't.

I'll summarize my reasons instead:

-defense/offense ratio
-park vote on Glork
-disengenuous posts
-tries hard to appear like he's contributing
-seeing things from a scum's perspective
-more calculation and precision in his posts to convey a deliberate image of him

Please let me know if you guys have questions for me. I think I've struck gold.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm OK with Spyrex.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tomorrow. We need to settle on a lynch.

I want VitaminR. I'll compromise for:

mathcam
Glork
Spyrex
DGB

[Albert B. Rampage]

Except it won't be a mislynch!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ha, and here I was thinking that a sincere appeal to you would net more than a throwaway one-line response.

No, that doesn't work when you're self-aware.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tomorrow will be one of the most epic mislynches. Last minute scrambles always end up in dead townies.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Albert, your case on VitR is your first serious case of the game. Cool. Quick question though.. if part of your hypothesis is that VitR uncannily knows that cam is town, why is cam still on your compromise lynch list?

I was actually going to take him off my list just now.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Claim please.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote VitaminR, vote Glork

[Albert B. Rampage]

CTD might have been the vig kill. Assume nothing.

Vote: VitaminR

[Albert B. Rampage]

I have two main theories.

VitaminR

Case outlined here.

Mathcam and Bookitty

mathcam (3) -- Cogito Ergo Sum, Bookitty, Glork

A careful vote from Bookitty here. I interpret it as a soft bus.

Bookitty's lynch me thing doesn't really sway me either way. I'm fairly certain I've said similar things as scum before. Also, VT claim. So what. It's a better lynch than PJ and a better lynch than LML. Seol's were really quite scummy.

((As a sidenote, mafia is a hard game and I don't think I would ever assign a >50% chance of being scum to anyone, like, ever. Beyond cop investigations or role information or whatnot.))

LML: Who was lurker hunting?

Is mathcam the mafiassk slot? Either way, his recent posting has seriously struck me the wrong way. He's my number 2.

Shanba might have gotten dangerously close to the truth in this one post. He singled Bookitty, mathcam, and LML. That may have been enough to set the scum off.

I haven't been paying a lot of attention to BooKitty and I didn't find her predecessor's play as problematic as some others, but I could see myself sheeping Sotty here.

I don't like this shift from petroleumjelly.

I am not surprised.

LoudmouthLee (3) -- Green Crayons, Yosarian2, petroleumjelly
Kublai Khan (1) -- MrBuddyLee
MafiaSSK (2) -- CrashTextDummie, undo
Bookitty (6) -- Sotty7, Shanba, Cogito Ergo Sum, chamber, Untrod Tripod, Save the Dragons
Cogito Ergo Sum (1) -- MafiaSSK
petroleumjelly (4) -- Albert B. Rampage, VitaminR, LoudmouthLee, Bookitty
Porochaz (2) -- DrippingGoofball, Zorblag
Yosarian2 (1) -- Glork

That BooKitty wagon is pretty damn glorious.

Notnice MafiaSSK (mathcam) is avoiding the Bookitty wagon.

So what do we know:

Bookitty's end of day vote for mathcam.
MafiaSSK's avoidance of the Bookitty wagon and replace-out.
CTD's suspicions of Bookitty and mathcam.
Shanba suspecting Bookitty and mathcam.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VitaminR is my #1, mathcam my #2, Bookitty is my #3, but if mathcam flips town, she's more likely town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I really hate VitaminR's defense of mathcam, as I think that was the most disengenuous thing I've ever read.

[Albert B. Rampage]

DGB, pay attention to my last post. Thanks.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The only reason to lynch Spyrex is because everyone in the slot is replacing out and Spyrex hasn't begun contributing. It's not enough to go on.

I'd like everyone to offer a robust defense of VitaminR, Bookitty and Mathcam. If there is no one capable of doing this, I humbly suggest we lynch them promptly.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mathcam comes in, decides to leave vote on CES at first. Then moves over to the BooKitty wagon. He then tries to argue that BooKitty's resignation post was probably scum motivated. He tries to imply that the BooKitty wagon would be especally informative somehow, but when I questioned him about this, he didn't seem to have a good answer for how.

This quote by Yosarian also supports my mathcam-Bookitty theory.

Yosarian, back me up on this, and tell me why VitaminR deliberately making posts that don't attract attention to him isn't scummy, why his defense of mathcam isn't scummy, and more importantly, why does his votes produce little more than a fizzing sound of a balloon losing air?

[Albert B. Rampage]

PJ, undo, help me, so that I can help my case, and get some scums lynched.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The sad thing is that our masons were both being run up yesterday because they didn't look pro-town nor provide much value. Although I had a town read on undo, PJ was playing badly in my view, and could have been scum. If PJ still wants to lay a claim on my head, I'll be disapointed. The masons need to get it together and force a scum lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My strongest town read besides the masons, is Green Crayons. GC, what do you have to say about my theories?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think if you just thought about playing through the end of Day 1 with an LML/BooKitty/mathcam scum team in mind, almost nothing makes sense.

You deliberately trying to distance yourselves so the connection doesn't fit to untrained eyes, is exactly what you intended. It's clear to me that you're scum.

Tell me, what do you think of VitaminR and Bookitty at this juncture?

[Albert B. Rampage]

MafiaSSk-LML, and VitR's vote for LML are red herrings. It doesn't tell us anything about their alignment. Are you ready to vote VitR, MBL?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Early on day 1 I thought VitimanR looked town, but his play since then has been weak. He could be scum.

Votes are needed.

[Albert B. Rampage]

There's got to be at least 1 scum on the Bookitty wagon here, probably 2. I'm becoming increasingly confident that CES has to be scum here. Mathcam is also on the suspect list.

vote:Cogito Ergo Sum

No, the scum on Bookitty is mathcam. We can get to mathcam later. VitaminR is today's vote.

@ABR:

My strongest town read besides the masons, is Green Crayons. GC, what do you have to say about my theories?

- I don't agree with your Vitamin points. I skimmed his D1 posts and founds several that were not just fluff. How do you respond to his Post 1614 rebuttal to your problems with his D2 play?

- I'm open to a mathcam vote. Currently pursuing my own thing at the moment, though.

I didn't criticize VitaminR's early posts. He simply ran out of fuel later, and started showin his true colors. I specifically stated from which post he started acting scummy. Anybody can use a town mindset for the first slice of the game, but it becomes harder to keep the appearance up later on.

Look at VitaminR Day 2. Scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Green Crayons; pay more attention to Yosarian's bottom lis + bookitty. What are your thoughts on each?

[Albert B. Rampage]

MBL-Gren Crayons feels like town v. town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

\Why are you certain that CES is town?

The brothers are sticking together:

ABR's case is wrong on all counts, really.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Alright, let's get this over with. I'm already sick of this day.

Unvote, vote mathcam

[Albert B. Rampage]

@MBL

I've played similarly to VitaminR when bussing on Day 1. It's a good strategy. His posts are crafted to be imperceptible from his town game, so I give no credance to any read of VitaminR Day 1. It's easy to fake being town for the first day, especially when you're trying to earn townie points by bussing a partner.

I'm so sure of my suspicion, that I will change my vote.

Unvote mathcam, vote VitaminR

I'm also open to voting CES.

[Albert B. Rampage]

@DGB Would you mind doing a proof of concept of your system on this game? http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=47172

[Albert B. Rampage]

How about if you only used data available on Day 3? It's a short game.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Excellent explanation, Bookitty! Flawed and misguided logic, DGB.

[Albert B. Rampage]

QFT ^^^

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think it's worthwhile.

[Albert B. Rampage]

FOS: Yosarian

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote mathcam

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Yos: I meant to FOS Mathcam, not you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Alright, Bookitty, are you voting for mathcam?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's get this lynch over with, too bad if we're wrong. Vig save us.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yosarian: What do you think of mathcam's opinion of CES? 1894

Question not addressed to me, but I want to mention that it feels like scum on scum to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, Vote Sotty

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm frustrated by the slow pace of the game so I'm bandwagonning.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I finished my last large in 68 pages.

chamber, Sotty, Porochaz, I have no idea what their stances are off the top of my head.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Very passive behavior.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote VitaminR

[Albert B. Rampage]

VitaminR is living up to my case on him.

-defense/offense ratio
-park vote on Glork
-disingenuous posts
-tries hard to appear like he's contributing
-seeing things from a scum's perspective
-more calculation and precision in his posts to convey a deliberate image of him

His case on Sotty is completely contrived. I voted her to get a reaction. Sotty is town.

VitaminR spends all his time defending chamber and CES and placating them because I think that he believes they know him better than anyone else.

His voting record his terrible.

He isn't even scumhunting. The sotty case is trash. He's so extremely passive and antitown it's incredible. We have to lynch him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I like playing with DGB because she's aggressive and pushes bandwagons. This game frustrates me. I'll vote against VitaminR, chamber and CES any day of the week. VitaminR happens to be scum. MBL brings a different angle to the game, but he doesn't understand the concept of voting = pressure = information. I honestly want to kill everyone that's dragging this game on longer than it needs to be. I'm glad that we're no longer discussing the system DGB that mathcam proved is useless, but I'm eagerly awaiting for this game to pick up and interest people a little more.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My biggest problem with chamber is that his list of suspicions is too short.

[Albert B. Rampage]

My biggest problem with chamber is that his list of suspicions is too short.

I'm sorry that 2 of them turned out to be masons and I haven't put in the time since to figure things out properly?

Do you know why you're voting for Sotty at least? When do you plan on putting in the work?

[Albert B. Rampage]

My biggest problem with chamber is that his list of suspicions is too short.

I'm sorry that 2 of them turned out to be masons and I haven't put in the time since to figure things out properly?

Do you know why you're voting for Sotty at least? When do you plan on putting in the work?

Of course I know why I'm voting for sotty.

Why? And why aren't you asking my other question?

[Albert B. Rampage]

EBWOP

answering*

[Albert B. Rampage]

I bemused at how much chamber VitaminR and CES are defending each other or at the very least refraining from attacking each other.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're in LYLO with CES and VitaminR. Who do you vote and why?

[Albert B. Rampage]

ya

[Albert B. Rampage]

VitR. Though I think it's more likely that I get lynched in that case.

Why VitaminR?

[Albert B. Rampage]

LoudmouthLee

(5) -- Green Crayons, Yosarian2,

VitaminR

,

petroleumjelly

, Save the Dragons
Seol/Bookitty (7) -- Sotty7,

Shanba

, Cogito Ergo Sum, chamber,

Untrod Tripod

, MafiaSSK/mathcam,

undo

petroleumjelly

(2) --

LoudmouthLee

, Seol/Bookitty

LoudmouthLee

(6) -- Green Crayons, Yosarian2,

petroleumjelly

, Save the Dragons, Porochaz, Tigris/Kublai Khan
Tigris/Kublai Khan (3) -- MrBuddyLee,

Glork, DrippingGoofball

Seol/Bookitty (8) -- Sotty7, Shanba, Cogito Ergo Sum, chamber,

Untrod Tripod

, MafiaSSK/mathcam, undo, CrashTextDummie

petroleumjelly

(3) --

LoudmouthLee

, Seol/Bookitty,

VitaminR

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That's a pretty bold moment for VitaminRscum to abandon a bus... personally I had been scum in his position I would have been married to the LML wagon until

townies

started to come off it.

I disagree. It's 12 votes to lynch. Bringing LML from 6 to 5 is nothing. Plus you always think that scum bus. Scum don't always bus.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not really.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VitaminR is using a lot of AtE that I'm obliged to disregard.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not voting: MrBuddyLee, Porochaz, Kublai Khan, VitaminR

Yeah, you guys should vote one of the main bandwagons so we can get information.

[Albert B. Rampage]

False.

[Albert B. Rampage]

More than 3 times.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Go find them.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Then vote Yosarian, why are you voting Sotty?

[Albert B. Rampage]

[quote="In post 2076, chamber"]I've said quite clearly why I'm not voting for Yos yet.quote]

I wasn't replying to you, so how about you try to be courteous instead? Your rude behavior isn't cool.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't care much about chamber's abrasive personality. Complete lack of scumhunting, no leads, no content, all he can manage to do is try to get a rise out of people with his foul language. He's lucky that I actually want to find scum, and his active lurking hasn't given me enoguh reason to vote for him.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't attack your intelligence or person. I just think you're scummy. What I show disregard for is your case on Sotty, your strategy in this game, and your posts.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm sorry that I said that. I'll choose better words.

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What am I missing with STD? Why are you voting him?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I completely agree with undo.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think mathcam is scummy. If VitR flips scum, mathcam is less scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Tell me reasons why STD is scum that don't involve VCA and maybe I'll listen.

There is no way that LML didn't include a buddy in his list. That is NOT VCA.

From your perspective, if you're town, then one of STD or mathcam is scum.

OR you're scum.

That's just complete WIFOM DGB.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I strongly disagree with MBL's interpretation of STD's votes. I think STD is town after his case, actually.

As if LML is so simple as to IGMEOY his buddy after unvoting him. LOL. I don't believe it for a second.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VitaminR is the lynch today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Sorry MBL, but this isn't a scum post:

I plan on jumping on bandwagons this game, not on random people, but on people I find suspicious.

So here's my list of people as of this moment.

Would vote
4) Untrod Tripod
6) DrippingGoofball
8) undo
11) Petroleumjelly
14) LoudmouthLee
20) Yosarian2
21) Seol

Might vote
2) Porochaz
3) CrashtextDummie
5) MrBuddyLee
12) Cogito Ergo Sum
13) MafiaSSK
16) Green Crayons
15) Albert B. Rampage
17) Zorblag (replacing Natirasha, who replaced farside22)
22) Tigris

Won't vote
1) Chamber
7) Shanba
9) Sotty7
10) Glork
18) VitaminR

Vote: PJ

If later in the day we all decide to lynch LML, please, please, please don't be surprised if I jump on that wagon hardcore.

STD is town. Now switch your vote to VitaminR.

[Albert B. Rampage]

MBL's case on STD is logical, given that he also pointed out that it wasn't logical for me to simultaneously suspect mathcam, and have a theory that VitaminR jumped the gun on calling mathcam town because he knows mathcam is town. Similarly, he points out some minor contradiction in STD's play about his suspcion of LML, and a period of time where he had unvoted LML but kept stating suspicion of him; my rebuttal for that is the previous post.

So MBL stays at the same level of suspicion.

DGB, on the other hand, has abandoned her scumhunting efforts and is looking to buddy and wagon anything that moves. She was trying to get MBL lynched, and MBL posted a generally cohesive and detailed case, so DGB flipped around and votes STD.

She did the exact same thing with Untrod Tripod. Correct me if I'm wrong, but she picks out players who haven't been suspected much, but who are not under the radar either, like Untrod Tripod, STD, MBL, and Yosarian, and throws out accusatory comments about them without a vote, then waits for someone to make a case against them, then she puts down her vote. I'm not buying what she's selling and it's very likely her intentions are more insidious that they appear on the surface level veil of sarcasm and irreverence, peppered with mediocrely acted out moments of vulnerability.

I maintain a strong suspicion of DGB, but that nowhere reaches my committment to get VitaminR lynched. He's irredeemably scummy.

He's been defending himself a lot for buddying chamber and CES, but let's not forget, he pulled the exact same stunt with mathcam.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not acting out in self-interest. VitaminR also defended me by agreeing with KK when KK pointed out that me mixing up player names and suspicions didn't make me scum. VitaminR goes to great lengths to defend everyone in this game, but is unable to formulate cohesive suspicions, like MBL's case on STD, which comes accross very logical and well reasoned. His Sotty case wasn't very good.

We're giving a lot of credit to VitaminR Day 1, but he still appeared undecided between PJ and LML.

To go from that wishy washy behavior to then say that he was so confident that PJ was scum, that it shattered his confidence when he claimed mason, is unbelievable.

Unvote, vote: petroleumjelly

That last post of pj really sets alarm bells ringing for me, particularly the opportunistic jump on LML and the wilful misunderstanding of everything I've said in response to him.

I'm no longer feeling so enthusiastic about a pj lynch. I sort of buy the Socratic dialogue story and he comes off reasonably town in how he's reacted to his bandwagon.

Unvote: pj

.

Wrong. And you're also completely wrong about CES.

Also:

Vote:LML

Unvote, Vote: pj

Ehh, I've changed my mind again. Glork is right, there's still something very off about pj.quote]

Unvote, vote: LML

My switches from LML to pj and back were motivated mostly by indecisiveness and self-doubt, triggered by gut feelings that LML's frustration, and later pj's, were sincere.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If by some fluke, VitaminR is town, I would trust his townread of CES. Therefore, it makes no sense to lynch CES.

I don't think VitR bussing LML gives him any towncred, sorry.

[Albert B. Rampage]

She was trying to get MBL lynched, and MBL posted a generally cohesive and detailed case, so DGB flipped around and votes STD.

What game is this???

In

this

game I've had nothing but a rock-solid town read on MBL (I don't know how you came up that I wanted to get MBL lynched????) and I was voting STD waaaaay before MBL said anything about it (I don't know where you get the "flipped around" part????).

ABR, you on crack?

Spyrex, not MBL. What an overreaction on your part though.

FOS: DGB

[Albert B. Rampage]

When you used your system, you said MBL looked very bad or whatever.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Liked LML's crappy case on PJ

Guess who else liked it? VitaminR.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Not to mention that DGB thinks her system works, but not on MBL apparently. #failscum

[Albert B. Rampage]

lol no. Nice try tho

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll go ahead and

vote: Bookitty

[Albert B. Rampage]

ABR: Serious question: Do you consciously OMGUS vote everyone who votes for you as a psychological ploy to attempt to disincentivize voting for you?

OMGUS? Correct me if I'm wrong, I voted VitaminR when he had a townread on me. Bookitty also has a town read on me as far as I know.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'll save you the trouble.

Bookitty is third towniest in DGB's list. I'm third scummiest. I'm town, so if DGB's system is worth a penny, that points to Bookitty scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote DGB

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think she's scum, Porochaz.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Scummy yes, scum, not every moment of the game, no.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I prefer a DGB lynch to a STD lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well I guess DGB isn't happening today nor VitaminR, so

Unvote, vote Sotty

[Albert B. Rampage]

If Std is scum, he would probably be with Sotty, no CES? Let's concentrate on one bandwagon. Sotty.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can we please narrow it down to 2 wagons?

[Albert B. Rampage]

All this resistance to lynching Sotty makes me think that it's really the right lynch.