NY 177: Simple Complexity (GAME OVER: Scum Wins!)

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Confirm.

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Too swaggy to place an rvs vote.
Also pls refer to me as insanity

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Guys I have something. Gonna share it later. Bb

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Actually I am genius and I think I know the setup. Just wonderin whether to tell it or not.

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I think everyone is in an neighborhood.

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Ugh guys stop wondering. I saw Wake posting and earlier version of this setup. Everyone was in a neighboorhood there and there was something.in addition. I will kepp it.for myself tho.

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Eh still not placing vote. Too much shit to read. SHIAT. So ye.

Also basically I saw Wake asking someone if making a montanious game with town members in neighboorhoods would be a good idea. Oh and something else brings me to this but idk if it will be against the rules to say it.

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Oh and I like Elyse so far.

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This is a Closed Setup. Players won't know exactly what PRs are at play, if any.

Ugh ye this and something else bring me to the idea it's mountanious. Also Wake basically wants to make only mountanious games so.

Speculating about setup like a boss.

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Like TSO if you remember out mount. game Wake said he would like to make a 21 person one. So yeah.

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vote reinoe

like sort of srsly

What happened with the Majify vote?

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Will knowing more about the setup help us find scum? I thought the object of this was to find (and kill) the scum.

It is always useful!

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vote reinoe

like sort of srsly

i will now

vote reinoe

for not being a team player

So what was the serious thing in the first vote?

I don't like you Psyche

VOTE: Psyche

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Elyse vs Ape seems town vs town.
I dont like Tree's OMGUS tho

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Sure, Psyche's posts are short.

But there's a clear sense of alignment (town) and effort in them

. On the other hand, it feels like reinoe is purposely trying to obfuscate his motivations and everything, trolling for the sake of trolling rather than actually just playing the game lightheartedly like Psyche is.

Ugh LOL? Where is that clear sense of alignment?

Also I didn't see reinoe trolling at all. Psyche on the other hand is worse imo.

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TSO I see you don't like reinoe at all but pls don't call him anything. I myself don't like being judged on previous games and it just feels ugh. So just stop.

Reinoe that vote on TSO seems like an angry vote.

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Oka um where did I state I hate speculations? Like I started the game with a speculation about the setup.

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Um Oka is the first question anyhow alignment indicative?

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I said stop wondering about the setup because I already had an answer to the setup speculation

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I just missed that one sorry.

The thing I wanted to keep for myself wasn't the setup speculation theory. It was something else.

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Just no one replace out pls

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Cus the info is bannable.

And Oka I can't really say how I missed it obviously lol. It's a fast developing game, my first large and when not having permanent computer acess, I get left with pages to read. So ye.

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Well ugh. I didn't knew it was bannable back then. But ye it has nothing to do with somebodie's alignment.
Oka what is that strange push on me? Like literally the questions you asked me are more made to frame me as scum compared to help guessing my alignment.

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somebodie's

Yep. Best grammar 2014.

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I'm scumhunting. and you are cracking.

you should replace out if you have cheaty info.

No cheaty info here. And how am I cracking?

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How did you decide I was scum? Like every time you asked a question I answered it lol. And every time I answered a question you asked another one even more absurd that the previous. And yet those questions aren't alignment indicative. Like "why am I in this game"?

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Asking me to hold on on my promises? Are you reading Oka's posts at all?

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Asked him before you even started questioning me.

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Oh I was invited too. I feel special hah

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Ugh guys the bannable info isnt anything special at all. In short I know as much as everyone does.

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Should I act dead just so it looks real?

It's hard to explain but I wont replace out. Once this is over I will say. Its silly tho.

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Oh god no

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Oook just woke up and read those sweet 6 pages you left me with.
So right now idk what to think of tree. Majify on the other side is a slight townread. Yes his case wasn't that good, but I feel like he did it just out of town motivation amd just doesn't feel fabricated to me.
Elyse vs Aero just made me like Elyse more. She had a point in all of her posts there. Aero really had some weak points but the things Elyse pointed out on Aero aren't really scum indicative. They are mostly some contradictions that can come out of newb/confused town as well.
I like Mir too. His latest posts are nice.
Oka I dont like. I agree with Aero that his push just seems like he is trying too hard and trying to get on on whatever he can. Also his push on me ends as suddenly as it started and I dont like this too.

VOTE: Oka

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gameplay vanilla town confirmed

VOTE: gameplay
will not retract until a proper response.

Um what?!
Also this was a response to tree:

rvs ended when the scum hunting began. and you are scum. I'm voting you now.

So what made you switch votes?

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Ok going to explain and post whatever I can withoit getting modkilled wjen I get back

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I dont need to replace out simply because I dont know anything more. Also I am not bluffing simply because Wake asked me not to talk about what I know. And to add to it my thoughts were kinda proved wrong. Wake gave me peemission to quote this:

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Our game is not Mountainous.

You may post this PM in-game.

That was from a talk I had with Wake yesterday. Sorry for the delay had to copy it

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Ok going to explain and post whatever I can withoit getting modkilled wjen I get back

Or you could just replace like most of us told you.

This. Not only should you replace out. I think posting game breaking information should have you considered for banishment.

Already answered that.

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Oka why did you unvote me?

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Titus!!!!

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Ye really Titus what took you so long to post?

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Titus/aero/oka/farside?

Liking that just not sure about Aero.

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I am The Light. You know that slot that hadn't posted all game. The light was an alt account I was using to see if I was lynchbait due to my behaviors or just my name.

From this it sounds you lurked on purpose but you said you lurked out of real life problems?
Ugh Titus I don't like you here

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Just read 10 pages. Nice.
Townreads so far:
Majiffy, Pere, Alina, Elyse.
Weaker townreads:
Mirhawk, tex, Josh, Royal.
I dont like how tree just came in the thread, talked shit, did shit and left. Right now I dont like him.
I am getting less and less sure on Aero tho. Not liking him much out of soon.
Notscience makes it up to my lynch list.
Psyche and farside are both nullscum. Not liking them
Need to see more from Titus.
Still liking my vote on Oka.

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Tex seems newbtownish. Not seeing much coming from scum.
Gave my reasons for Oka.
Also move Psyche to the more leaning town list. I thought he was uncontributive and dint like his unvote much but after re-reading I seem to get the logic behind that.
You farside on the other side don't seem to do much. I especially didn't like how you argued with Majiffy that his reads are bad and such. I just dont see what this can help us with at all.
Notscience is really bad. Almost 0 game content posts. And as someone pointed out, why is he sheeping Majiffy if he wants Titus dead? Just no town motivation here.

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Ugh here is my problem with tree: "too scummy to be scum"

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Why did you call pyche null scum at all?

I didnt pay much attention to his recent play and mainly based that on his early fluffy posts.

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Um ok.

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Why did you call pyche null scum at all?

I didnt pay much attention to his recent play and mainly based that on his early fluffy posts.

So the bold is a lie?

Just read 10 pages.

Nice.
Townreads so far:
Majiffy, Pere, Alina, Elyse.
Weaker townreads:
Mirhawk, tex, Josh, Royal.
I dont like how tree just came in the thread, talked shit, did shit and left. Right now I dont like him.
I am getting less and less sure on Aero tho. Not liking him much out of soon.
Notscience makes it up to my lynch list.
Psyche and farside are both nullscum. Not liking them
Need to see more from Titus.
Still liking my vote on Oka.

I just didn't read that much into Psyche.

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Why is oka on the wagon?
Um not liking this.
But so are there 2 scum teams or one?

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I am just gonna wait for something and probably vote tree.

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We will figure that out eventually. I asked the mod about that

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It's just additional information so that you don't forget to string up Psyche when I die tonight after tree flips

town

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Where did he slip?

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Aero so do you scum read tree or not?

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If there is a vig he can kill tree.

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I'm done with you. Everyone else, feel free to look at at my posts and read between the lines. And look at his and see the bullshit.

I actually think this is coming from annoyed town.
Unfortunately this is one of the few unique posts that I still like in Aero.

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If tree flips scum I'm just gonna laugh and accept my lynch.

Missed that one.
And it's pretty bad lol

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Ok read. Gonna ask you something, you know.

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I asked you a question. Swamp land question.

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I asked whether there are 2 scumteams. Wake told me that:

Patience is truly a virtue.

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Waiting for VC to see if I want to vote somewhere else.

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Aero what is your read on reinoe?

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Reinoe what is your read on Aero?

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Ugh having a hard time reading reinoe

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@mod I think there is only one aeronaut this game

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Annnnnd Aegor is probably town

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Ok the Aeronaut wagon should fall apart.
Majiffy why are you voting Aero when you were so sure tree was scum?

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I think the Aero wagon is scum motivated. The scummiest on it so far are Shadow, T S O and NS.

VOTE: Shadow

Going after this or Oka for now.

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Ok so half of TSO's recent posts are about how the possibility of Aero being scum is higher compared to tree. Just no. Oh and the vote on Aero kinda comes with little to none reasoning. Just no
Aero is just pointing fingers everywhere and but not voting anyone. Ye right

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I'm ok with TSO too.

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I don't see the whole huge scum motivation he is being voted for. Just seeing being dumb and posting dumb things.

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Okay.

Here are MY reasons behind it-

His early interaction with tree about how people would take an IC seriously. It looks like he's trying to put up a charade of being all business and seriousness and "alrighty guys lets get down to work" and it doesn't read genuine.

Well trying to look serious and helpful isn't indicative as far as I know.

Look at his vote on tree. He voted essentially because Tree is anti-town. Note- he still thinks tree is town, just doesn't want him alive. It's not for reasons like my push where I need the people on the tree wagon to help my wagon so I join, it's just because he's anti-town.

His vote on tree was purely policy. And if you are going after him due to pursuing a policy lynch, you should then go after several other players

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Look at his scumread on me. Why is he scumreading me initially? For my sheeping. When I reacted, he then has to stretch and bullshit his way around my reaction.

Missed that one.

When he makes a claim about me, I ask him to give me quotes and concise points. I get nothing.

He said he is giving up and the way he did so really seemed town to me.

When asked for reasonings behind him, I give them and then get accused of "avoiding answering questions." How is that a town response?

I don't agree. Ye it is anti-town but definately not a scumtell.

What town- who is adamant that someone his scum and isn't voting them- would not be able to provide reasonings behind a claim he makes, a claim that apparently encompasses the entire thread?

Look at his REACTION to the push on me. First I'm scum, then look at his softclaim TO ME. His scumread. Does town softclaim like that to a scumread? No.

I didn't understand the second to last point and I didn't read anything about the last point. Cant comment on them

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Another useless post.

VOTE: TSO

Shadow hasnt posted for 2 days. I prefer pushing the active one then.

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Vote: Aeronaut

Places a naked vote

The only thing he says about Aero before voting him:

Tree is town, and everyone on the tree wagon who thinks he's scum is scum, and you're voting tree for policy, despite not voting reinoe for policy.

You hypocrite.

And not to mention 5 other people want policies.

The back-up case:

That jump on tree was awful.

But can't we lynch Aeronaut today and tree tomorrow?

Because I give a 30% estimate of tree being scum, but Aeronaut is around double that.

Psyche is voting Aeronaut.

Probability of tree scum - DOWN.
Probability of Aeronaut scum - UP.

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Town.

I've said it all game.

So you've thought tree was town all game, but you were voting for him anyway. That's what your saying?

^
Point here

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Actually both can try to look serious.

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Vote: Aeronaut

Places a naked vote

The only thing he says about Aero before voting him:

Tree is town, and everyone on the tree wagon who thinks he's scum is scum, and you're voting tree for policy, despite not voting reinoe for policy.

You hypocrite.

And not to mention 5 other people want policies.

The back-up case:

That jump on tree was awful.

But can't we lynch Aeronaut today and tree tomorrow?

Because I give a 30% estimate of tree being scum, but Aeronaut is around double that.

Psyche is voting Aeronaut.

Probability of tree scum - DOWN.
Probability of Aeronaut scum - UP.

Oh and not to mention the TSO vote was opportunistic as hell.

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Lol NS you only made a deal with Majiffy not everyone on the wagon.

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Hm NS don't get hurt but I am getting the feeling that you are dumb town.
Aero jump on TSO. NS is too butthurt from being proven wrong, to react properly. Not vote-worthy

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Ok I will :p

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Unvote Aero now. He is not scum. Like fuckin look at the people voting him omg.

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@Aero

It would save a lot of time if you just claimed now.

I'm not going elsewhere until that softclaim nonsense has been resolved.

That was just awful. Mir just moved down the town list. Like wtf is this shit.

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Aeronaut (7): T S O, Psyche, notscience, Majiffy, Shaddowez, Elyse, texcat

Now let me prove why this wagon:
Tso - placed his vote with almost none reasoning. Opporutunistic vote. More detailed in post 1265
Psyche - just like Tso, no reasonig places a naked vote:

vote aeronaut

Things he said for Aero

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~nothing before the vote

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~After the vote:

aero is a great wagon

Notscience - already proved why his arguments are shit - 1253. Also voting for a townread of yours half the game just speaks for itseld on what extend this person should be sheeped.

Majiffy- one of the less crappy votes here , but still almost no imput on his case on Aero.

Shadow - oh god ffs this is a fucking

RVS VOTE

... Like he was lurking hard, pointed a lot of fingers, didnt move his vote on none of those people, finally came and left his vote on Aero cus yolo ( oh wait softclaim? ; totally vote worthable!)

Elyse - the only person who may actually deserve to be here.

Tex - placed his vote on the early pages becuase of the Aero vs Elyse. Oh and didnt develop his vote/case on Aero since then. Just came back here and defended himself.

Mirhawk - just... look at this reasoning:

@Aero
It would save a lot of time if you just claimed now. I'm not going elsewhere until that softclaim nonsense has been resolved.

Wtf? It looks like you are voting him just to see what he claims. So bad.

Now pls just look how many crappy people are on this wagon and tell me it was town motivated...

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Ebwop: More detailed in post 1265

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Like this wagon should go down.

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I am not ok with Maji's sheep. It is scummy to jump on Aero with almost no case and reasons compared to how many things he came up with on tree. Like wtf. You were pushing tree exactly half the game, at least 60% of your posts are about him and you blatantly sheep the Aero wagon with almost no reasoning? Um no.

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Instead calling mw useless try proving it is so.

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So you voted Aero for having bad votes but you didnt vote NS who was voting a townread of his ?

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So you voted Aero for having bad votes but you didnt vote NS who was voting a townread of his ?

Aero voted for someone that he not only thought was town, but would be willing to be lynched himself if that person flipped scum.

Like I don't understand why you keep bringing up NS as if he's worse than Aero and your defense of Aero sucks.

I don't get why everyone needs new, original reasons to hop on a wagon. I certainly don't expect people to find more scummy stuff about Aero when I'm trying my hardest to do so to get him lynched. Should I stop scumhunting so other people can find stuff and have justified spots on the wagon? It's bullshit that the wagon is falling apart when I've brought up so much stuff about him just because other people are sheeping me.

So you prefer to get blatantly sheeped by people who have hardly expressed any suspicions on Aero? Mkay.

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Aeronaut flipflops, aggressive under pressure

Where does he flip flops btw?
Also I dont think he is being aggresive because of the wagon.

Also your reasons are pretty outdated.

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So you voted Aero for having bad votes but you didnt vote NS who was voting a townread of his ?

ns is confirmed terrible

Why isnt Aero confirmed terrible then?

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I think aero might be scum I am not going to argue with the wagon or join the wagon at the moment as I don't really have a strong opinion of it.

Let me translate that for ya:
"If it happens for Aero to get on L-1 I will hammer him but right now I don't feel like saying anything about the wagon simply because I will draw too much attention on myself".

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I don't think the odds of Tree flipping scum are all that great, he feels like lynchbait.

Though I suppose if we don't lynch him we're going to have to go through this song and dance again tomorrow.

Alright

Vote
Lynch: Tree

Another awful vote. Like both of Mir's votes on tree and Aero look like Mir is making a compromise on who to vote. Not liking this at all.

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Actually doing this:

VOTE: Mirhawk

Tso can be a little longer. His reaction didnt give me the feel of scum. Still keeping an eye there.

Pedit: um reinoe not this vote

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This is especially to gameplay like what the fuck is that Mirhawk vote? You're the only one voting him. Do you seriously expect that lynch to go through?

I seriously think it can go through, There is plenty of time we don't need to rush lynches.

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@gameplay
Yes I am completely fine with people sheeping me and not adding reasoning of their own or suspecting Aero beforehand. If he flips town then we can look at them later.

Lol. This is shitty. Do you know how bad this sounds? Like wtf. You are so blind that you don't see further out of Aero.

Wtf? Why don't we determine whether he is town now instead of lynching him to see so.

TSO's vote is absolutely fine and not opportunistic.

Um look at post 1265.

Psyche's vote isn't great but he's encouraging the wagon's growth at least.

This is getting shittier and shittier.

NS' vote is good and you trying to hurt his credibility based on his tree vote is LOLawful because you're supporting Aeronaut.

What exactly is good in NS? Still no reasoning. Pushed a previous townread of his. I don't see anything good in him.

Majiffy's and my vote, as you said, were good.
Mirhawk's vote is good too because if we let that softclaim shit hang around it will just lead to more and more WIFOM and Aero will have to claim anyway.

Oh so let's out the pr for the sake of no WIFOM.

It's better to do it today. I will give you the RVS vote by Shadow being shitty (though it's RVS and it's not like he's trying to justify it) and texcat did sheep me but oh well he found my reasoning good.

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Kinda mistook you for other people. But I already answered all your arguments.

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No I'm saying that I don't give a fuck who's on the wagon and why because there is a shitload of evidence against him. I'm not going to stop the lynch because a few people on it didn't give an essay as to why they are voting him.

Elyse lol. This is so wrong that I dont know what to say.

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Fuckin shitty elyse. Are you happy now? Ffs.

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You dont know how wrong you are. Or how bad this vote is actually.

But ye Aero's wagon IS scum motivated. Going after Psyche/ Mirhawk right now.

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Elyse pls stop destroying town and outing pr's. Just stop.

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Reinoe
alina
T S O
notscience
Shaddowez
Elyse

These people are basically conf town and if you don't like it you can just shut the fuck up because your opinion is invalid.

Not agreeing

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Well ok...

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Ok this shit with Aero is just going over the top. Scum really don't want to let go of it, do they?

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Um I am going after who I thin is scum... with decent reasoning

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Ok the levels of awfulness here made me sick. Just ...

I am in a neighborhood with Aero. He already claimed there and I know his claim. And his claim is actually beliavable and it's not something scum would claim. That is why I am going against so much shitiness right now. And fighting against the wagon. And thinking it is scum motivated.

Pedit: Josh reading is a good thing. I already stated who I am going after - mainly Mir, Tso and Psyche.

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Lol just... can you guys unvote now? If it's not enough the nb already knows the claim. There is no need for Aero to claim publicly.

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Um not sure I should say.

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If it's more than 2 people you obviously have scum in the hood.

Even with 2 you probably do.

So.

Aero is definately not scum tho.
And even if we do have scum it is a win-win situation for us.

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Omg. You really are bad.

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The fact he claimed in a hood with more than just 1 other person is a scumclaim.

Ok why is it so?

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Not so sure about that. And since Aero already claimed his role there if he dies it is highly possible there is scum in the nb. But not outing anything now.

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Obviously titus is in a neighborhood herself.

I think we all are

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Maybe....

And yes the wagon should fall apart. Like it is fuckin scummy.

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Josh claimed in vain.
Josh unvote now.

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gameplay suck it

Um sorry but you got proved wrong.

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Omg this wagon is pure shit. Pure fuckin brown, black white shit. Like Wtf. Scum motivated wagon at most...

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I have seen town pr in a nb. And instead of Aero giving full claim he can just say whether he is rb or not. Or I can do it myself.

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Aero is not a RB.

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He go hammered already

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Not sure if I believe but no reason to lynch today.

Fuckin bad.

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You deserve this Elyse:

VOTE: Elyse
Call it a placeholder vote. Call it whatever you like. But if you are town you should just know that by your idiotic push you outed 2 presumably town pr's. And now when Aero claimed pr you go like "oh really you were a pr I didnt know, sorry unvoting you". Literally wtf. Leaving my vote here at least for the night.

Pedit@ reinoe I already answered that one. Mainly leaning on Psyche, Mir and Tso. Maji and NS arent good either.

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I feel like outing the other players in the neighborhood will just set us off on another shitty push. There is absolutely no evidence that there is scum in the nb and I dont feel like outing anyone.

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Gameplay, can you trust me that I will push Elyse tomorrow if it is a good idea and I am alive if you vote Aero now?

Here is my problem with this Titus.

I am townreading Aero

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Pedit: oh god Psyche you just hit my scumradar with a hammer.

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Ok I am going to have nightmares now.
Tree wtf just wtf.
Psyche pls commit suicide now.
Pls pls pls.
Leaving this before my eyes start bleeding and my brain melts.

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Elyse and ns, you should both be ashamed of your boundless incompetence that has prompted this horrifying display of idiocy.

Reading up and I saw this. Agreeing 100%

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I am actually a Role Blocker- This is a two for one special, even if I die in the night, and the third member isn't identified, we have two known scums, that can be vigged or PL'd in succession.

Seeing you claimed in vain I higly doubt anyone would kill you.

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Ok then I have some questions. When are neigborhoods typically open, and do neighborhoods typically have daytalk?

Josh you are obviosly a VI who needs glasses. I said that Wake discussed a Mountanious game variant with neighboorhoods. Just... Oh gosh.

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He was definitely being aggressive, his interactions with notscience in particular.
How could those reasons have been outdated if they were both false?

Being aggressive but not because he was being wagoned. He was aggresive with NS because he thought he was scum.
The other reasons the ones with the keep on eye on smb. If I remeber right

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Gotta read some people and form a stronger scumread. Leaving my vote on Elyse to make her feel guilty.

Liking Titus "bad ass bitch". I dont get what she is doing but she seems yolo town right now. For now.

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Um gotta read Tn but not now

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We test if Aeronaut is bsing it tmr.

Today we lynch tree, or titus, or gameplay.

Gl with me.

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Ugh catchup time:

Titus is being overly aggressive.

Titus isn't being overly aggressive, she's being Titus levels of aggressive.
This is normal for her, I'm more curious as to why she was being so passive before now.

who first suggested this

The multiple scumteam thing was first suggested by whoever found the thread where Wake was speculating on possible setups. I can't remember specifically who it was, Gameplay or Reinoe maybe?

It was not the wiki as Titus was suggesting, as whoever brought it up brought it up near the beginning of the game.

No it reads as "I'm so sure tree is town that if I'm wrong I deserve to be removed from the game." This is coupled with a vote on tree. Do you understand why that doesn't make sense?

You wonder why I'm calling you a liar.

And yet you do shit like this.

I'm vaguely sure Aero was calling Tree town at the time, so I think Elyse is more on track with this then you.

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I seriously wouldn't mind lynching Aero today. I mean we can wait a bit I suppose but even if he's a gunsmith I don't think there's much of a chance of him being town.

Um what? Aren't gunsmiths town aligned? Also this sounds really reckless.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: tn

You are arguing lies to make me look worse and refusing to explain anything.

Butthurt vote. Not even sheep worthy.

I'll agree with that, but what's your read on him?

Gameplay

- You never addressed this post by Psyche:

Ok I am going to have nightmares now.
Tree wtf just wtf.
Psyche pls commit suicide now.
Pls pls pls.
Leaving this before my eyes start bleeding and my brain melts.

why are you so confident in your aeroread

Um shadow maybe because we are in 1 nb. and he claimed earlier there.

Change texcat with tree

Your recent posts are really disturbing. You are blatantly saying vote tree, vote tree without providing any new case or reasons for anyone to do so. The even more disturbing part is that you stopped scumhunting.

But texcat must be destroyed.

Why?


We still won't lynch obvscum Aero. Great. See you tomorrow.

Ok Titus lets get this straight: Aero is a bad lynch for today. Yes I know, you see some kind of clues or whatsoever that he is scum but the risk of going over a pr exist. If he is scum sooner or later he will be caught thanks to his claim. But right now we don't need to pursue needless risk. Patience is a virtue as one wise mod said

Not sure how to read okapoka. At the very least he's speaking without thinking.

EBWOP: which is typically a town thing to do. Or scum in tunnelmode.

Actually his recent behaviour is not towny at all. The lack of scumhunting just says that he js either afraid of drawing too much attention on himself again or that he is just being lazy. But that is definately not townreadable.

So I am going to do my iso's soon. And my suspect group would be mainly made out of people on the Aero wagon.

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This is exactly what I was worried about. Gameplay is treating the neighborhood like a masonry.

Treating Aero this way. Not the whole nb.

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Someone can investigate aero too. So

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Someone can investigate aero too. So

Or, you could use your fucking neighborhood like it was designed for and you could investigate Aeronaught.

Oh reinoe I guess you are pro. Now pls tell me how to investigate him cus I don't know.

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Someone can investigate aero too. So

Or, you could use your fucking neighborhood like it was designed for and you could investigate Aeronaught.

Oh reinoe I guess you are pro. Now pls tell me how to investigate him cus I don't know.

1)First thing you wanna do is sub out...
2)then let somebody who knows how to play mafia into your slot
3)person who knows how to play mafia proceeds to investigate Aeronaught

really simple.

O nice. So um I guess I am too bad to play with such pro. Sorry reinoe. Replacing out.

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Ok now so reinoe how should I investigate Aero in the nb ? Why don't you show me how to investigate him, by investigating him yourself here in the thread. I will take notes if needed.

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i think ive figured out who else is in the neighby by now

Who?

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Ok now so reinoe how should I investigate Aero in the nb ? Why don't you show me how to investigate him, by investigating him yourself here in the thread. I will take notes if needed.

I think the above post confirms that there's 0 scumhunting going on in the neighborhood.

Why are you dodging?
Also I do scumhunting but here. But if I townread the people in the nb.

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I am ok with Oka too/

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Oka make a case on tree

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Elyse Aero is on that wagon. Doesn't that bother you?

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No

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So you just called them his buds?

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Ok just read the few pages. Titus from what I read in the rules it is inpossible for Tso or Pere to have told anything to Aero if they are scum simply because scum dont have daytalk. Also Aero came up with himself on that in the nb.

I suggest we lynch someone scummy today other than Aero and cop investigates Aero tonight.

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Shit you are right Gameplay...but then why wouldn't Aero highlight what he thought the crumbs were? Suspicious.

Aeronaut is scummier.

I told them to shut up and not discuss anything.

Soo Titus who do you scumread? (if you already made a list link me to it). Maybe we can work out a lynch we agree on.

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Gameplay, this is a Titus tunnel. I am getting Aeronsut's head today. You think they are scummy. That us the lynch we can agree on.

Jiffy, I can countermove any pretend investigation from Aero. His claim will not sort itself out.

Titus there is no need to lynch him today. Someone can easily investigate him tonight and if he catches him Aero will be lynched tomorrow.

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Oh, I know, Aero will you lynch tree or investigate him? This could really solve the issue of who is doing what.
And then we could all get along to lynch Gameplay. He's in a neighborhood, but for some reason thought this game was mountainous. LOL WUT?

VOTE: Gameplay

Josh you are blind and stupid. I already said that Wake wanted to make a mountabious nb setup and that is from where I got my theory. Also a neighborhood and mountanious can go together. So try again.

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No they can't.

Um Wake came up with it. So yes they can.

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No they can't.

Um Wake came up with it. So yes they can.

um the stereotype of MOUNTAINOUS is ALL VANILLA

Christ

I feel the IQ points draining just talking to you

NS lol. THE NB WOULD HAVE BEEN MADE OF ALL VANILLA. Ugh NS just go away.

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Josh you are blind and stupid. I already said that Wake wanted to make a mountabious nb setup and that is from where I got my theory. Also a neighborhood and mountanious can go together. So try again.

Elyse's description of me earlier in the game is exactly how I feel right now. But seriously, I'm tired of you and Titus arguing about whether or not we should or shouldn't lynch Aero while the game in itself goes no where.

Obviously it should be clear that Titus believes that both you and Aero are lying about the Gunsmith claim. I also believe that. But it seems like most everyone else is hoping that this claim business is going to work itself out. I'm not sure how it's going to work itself out, because ultimately it is going to require a lynch of some sort to prove or disprove the claim.

Um I don't think Titus thinks that about me tho.

But at the same time, the reasons we should or shouldn't lynch tree, oka, tn, and texcat are getting lost in background and will have to be moderately rehashed moving forward. At best, the other town will spend hours ISOing each player for better reads and rereading the DP for context, at worst this DP is so cluttered that town will forget who they were voting for and why, and scum will slip away to victory.
In this superlong 2,000+ DP1, which do you think is more likely to happen? I just finished a 24 player game, and I don't remember DP1 being filled with this much nonsense. God forbid that Farside was actually town, whoever replaces him is in for a nightmare. Let's get back on track people.

Although this is a false dichotemy, can we at least get some input on who you think is the higher priority between

Aero(who is possibly fake claiming, along with gameplay), or tree (who purposely fake claimed twice)

Regardless of whatever else has happened, I think these two are the only serious lynch possibilities for this DP and I'm actually fine with either one of them. Truthfully, I think I'm leaning toward tree. But I'm caught up in the moment right now.

Talking like I am the only one not giving any imput on anyone is just bad.. Also I have a townread on tree and Aero. And just so you know I am not claiming anything so it's impossible for me to be fakeclaiming with Aero.

So lets get this straight. You are voting me for thinking that I am fakeclaiming with Aero eventhough I have 1 vote on me and Aero has 4? Not legit.

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Also you are badly interpreting tree's claims.

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Ok isoing some people right now and I especialyl don't like Psyche.

VOTE: Psyche

Would give more reasons when I finish doing everything

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He ain't flipping gs. Even if he was town, scum would not push for his lynch as mids require a methid to not follow the cop.

You keep saying that and while I'm townreading you, there

is

scum motivation to push a town gunsmith. Any town lynch, especially a PR, is worth the price of admission for scum.

I agree that pushing a claimed pr is not town motivational.

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So this stayed in my saved drafts for a few days and I didnt manage to post it. I feel like the deadline is coming close and I have to post this soon eventhough it is not finished.

Ok beginning with the analysis on the Aero wagon.

Aeronaut (8): Shaddowez, Elyse, texcat, T S O, Psyche, notscience, Majiffy, Mirhawk

So from this Elyse is town. No need to discuss that. She is dumb but town. ( joking Elyse no need to rage).
Texcat is the other person I am willing to call town. He was the second on the wagon ( third counting Shadow) and I found his sheep to be rather genuine:

I have been reading along, but haven't understood half of what is going on. Tree made a couple of quickly disproven fake claims that I can't see the purpose for. And I can't see the motivation for it from either a scum or a town. Although I will say that it seemed to generate quite a bit of conversation.

The recent interactions between Aero and Elyse have convinced me to
VOTE: Aeronaut

Also this post is giving me (newb/noob) town vibes too:

I've resisted giving any reads because a. it's difficult to read people you've never played with and b. it's day one and

c. I know all of these will change.

scum

Aeronaut flipflops, aggressive under pressure

omguscum

Aegor
farside And her recent change to TN is ?

people to keep an eye on

tree IC and dayvig
Elyse tunnel on Royal, vote on Aero, pretty quiet otherwise
gameplay wtf genius who knows the setup
Oka needs a re-read/iso
notscience townish, but votes tree with Majiffy deal
Majiffy townish, but is Tree the only scum in the game?

Mostly null on rest.

Only the bolded part bothers me. Tex mind explaining this for me?

Shadow can pass too. He hasn't been very useful especially his early game but his aggression then and now seems more like town trying to figure the game out. Also he has some good points in his posts. Overall leaning town.

Liking Majiffy too. His sudden switch on aero was scummy considering he pushed him tree for so long but after reading he previously questioned Aero and expressed suspicon of him. Also I still stand by my previous reasons I townread Majiffy for.

Ok I iso'ed Mirhawk. Eventhough his votes, unvotes seem scummy I read his earlier posts and everything and it gave me a better impression. His votes unlike other people's votes, don't come out of nowhere and he did scumhunt. I am not that sure in this read tho but still I am letting Mirhawk off today. (Sorry for the crappy explanation I isoed Mir a few days ago and I am writing whatever I liked and remember).

I am having hard time figuring the last 3 out - NS, Psyche, Tso. Yet I iso'ed Psyche and saw some things ( a lot ) I didn't like. I will try to elaborate on that later today.

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VOTE: gameplay

only vote that makes sense and people are willing to join because tree wagon is going nowhere.

First of all you, Ns and shadow are the only ones who are willing to join. Secondly why does voting me make sense?
What a crap.

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2. Gameplay: I can't believe how he states " think settup is mountainous" but then reveals it isn't with his talk with Wake. Basically he lead town on a rollercoaster to nothingness when he could've said nothing and we would all be happy. Plus omgus. Also he is a sheep of Alina. Plus no rvs.

Ok this is super shitty

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1 day till deadline.
I don't want a no lynch and I find oka scummy so:

VOTE: Oka

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Isn't it to first of August?

If we have more then :

VOTE: Psyche

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Psyche's iso is terrifying. I want to higligh some things in it:

oh fuck it

vote texcat

i want today over NOW

Lazy opportunustic vote. Another blatant sheep with little to none reasons.

vote reinoe

we should consider a policy lynch

vote majiffy

there is no town mindset or something

vote reinoe

like sort of srsly

His first votes. Too much jumping there and here. The worst part is that he himself states those are not rvs votes.

We're still chitchatting instead of playing. How does this game get on track?

I think we should all simultaneously selfvote and then each present the soundest possible case for our own lynch.

I'll go first!

vote Psyche

The case: none of my posts are more than three lines what is up with that

He admits it and does nothing about it.

i will now

vote reinoe

for not being a team player

A shitty vote - exuse to look useful by placing an empty vote.

vote aeronaut

The main thing here - go to Psyche's iso, press Ctr F and then write Aeronaut ( Aero). Never mentions him once until that vote.

It is really hard to iso Psyche tho. A lot of his posts are either really confusing, empty, shitty or just unhelpful. Imo Psyche is being the lazy scum now.

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Pretty sure I wrote this for the first time. Mind showing me the post with your rebuttal?

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oh, sure
but nothing about your case is new except for the unedified parts

I don't see the old case.

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Oh wait are you talking about that?

Psyche - just like Tso, no reasonig places a naked vote:

vote aeronaut

Things he said for Aero

:

~nothing before the vote

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~After the vote:

aero is a great wagon

Um that is not a case nor is it equal to my last post concerning you.

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I am getting the feeling that if Aero is scum so is Psyche.

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Josh wtf. Where did your vote on me go?

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Fuck both of these wagons with a vengeance. I refuse to join either Oka or Tex.

VOTE: Tree

Do you like Psyche as scum???

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you really shouldn't lynch me or psyche

there are very good reasons to lynch texcat

Lol. Texcat is newb. I am not voting there until I see something compelling enough.
Why is psyche so precious for you?

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My god. No lynching confscum today. :sigh:

VOTE: gameplay

Majiffy join me.

Why lol?

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But like Titus wants a town flip today at any cost

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Titus lol. Well I thought you townread me.
Now could you please present your arguments on me?

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Um Titus I lost that Wake game. I changed for the better

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Overnight?
Overmonths is correct

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month

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Ok. I got bored out of this day so much that I dont care anymore.

VOTE: Oka

He is shitty. If he is maf great, if he is town, well he was shittier than tree or texcat so great again!

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You are scum, aren't you? :/

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Oka lol. It was hilarious to read how several people explained one thing to you and still you went like "oh no no I am right"

Also yes marquis is right. I kinda confused ban with modkill. So ye it wasn't that serious at all.

Um I am ok with Psyche's wagon. Or at least I was ok. But reading now his recent posts idk. I have to read him again .

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Why is psyche town?

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I still think shadowezz is town. If he is scum because he is lurky then bb.

Pedit:Oka you should die tonight. If there is a vig you should die.

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I mean it. You are useless, shitty and scummy. If there is a vig who is hesitant on who to shoot, he should shoot you.

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And psyche is obv scum now too

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tex you should claim

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texcat

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I dont feel dead

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we need to lynch gameplay tmr.

srs

I will get lynched once you learn how to make cases.

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If your awesome plan includes something that will make me clear as scum then I can gladly say it will fail.

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kk gl

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Why are we lynching newbtown

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Is this going to be like the tree push?

can you give one solid argument why I am scum?

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Since when did people start lynching claimed prs?

Since a mafia doctor exists.

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omg if you can come up with one solid argument why I am scum I won't rage

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You did? Lol. I mean a SOLID argument. A argument on which at least 3 more people agree on

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Um texcat I may have the some role as you. What is the exact wording of your role?

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lolz this town

Eager to lynch.

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Aegor is dead

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Also one of the neighborhood member hasnt posted at all. I intend to reveal who he is tomorrow.

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Sk and one mafia team ok

VOTE: Psyche

Right now I am ok with both oka and psyche. Reinoe is ok too.

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Also royal is in our nb. He never posted anything in the qt since the beginning of the game. Also we are 4 members

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Aero is really hard suspected. Thus I am not surprised at all