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In post 1342, Thor665 wrote:In post 1336, Flubbernugget wrote:That reminds me, how come nobody took issue with Thor's reads list that was all town\lurksack?
Issue with it for what reason? Calling too many people town? Too many lurksacks? Or too many of each?
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In post 1341, davesaz wrote:Flubber, welcome! The different view on Thor is thought provoking. I'd be interested in your thoughts on goodmorning.
I should probably ISO her. All I remember is someone bitching about a bad reaction test. Not reading anymore today/tonight.
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In post 1338, Flubbernugget wrote:Noise to reads ratio anyone?-
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In post 1358, Thor665 wrote:In post 1353, Flubbernugget wrote:It kinda implies you're not scumhunting. I mean, you have that huge back and forth with PV over a superficial case, and thats the only scum read I can remember you having. If you have better scum reads, why are they less prominent than some scum slip discredit?
Out of 20 possible players I offered reads on 13 of them (14 if you squint, but it's really more of a 13).
And I have no stronger read than Pere - which would be quite clear from even a cursory examination of what I've said about him.
What are anyone's reads on those slots that I lacked a read on? Show me a strong opinion and I will show you a meaningless case.
In post 1356, Flubbernugget wrote:How much influence do you think Thor has had on the PV wagon?
Infinite - there is a reason there is only one actual wagon in this game and it's because I'm the only player who was willing to call someone scummy and also push on that wagon to make it happen.
You, meanwhile, are wondering why people aren't dinging me for not having enough clear reads.
Just work that one over a little bit and see where it gets you.
Bro I fucking hate your push on PV.
What baffles me is that a wagon on you never gained traction. Your push is based off of the same null speculation PV's is on. What's worse is how your argument ends up boiling down to a semantic that can't be proven/disproven (well this is what Ireallymeant by multiball). If that's not scum motivation, it's a dick measuring contest. I don't think it's a dick measuring contest.-
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Going a couple pages back here to finish talking to Fonz.
In post 1379, The Fonz wrote:Well, let's be clear - which things PV has done do you think are legitimately scumtells that Thor ought to be talking about?
385 could have been dug into to see how genuine the reads were. Or he could have been accused of fluffing.
525 scum reading Goodmorning for understanding sarcasm? Very synthetic.
547 fluffy fence sitting.
613 accuses someone of tunneling while tunneling Thor. Tunneling obviously isn't a scumtell, but it could have been investigated.
Further posting involves very safe and defensive play and filler. Either that or more Thor bickering.
We have an entire wagon on a player because he's losing a pissing match. The wagon is shady as fuck and nobody's batting an eye.
@PergerineV: How do you feel about your actions in the game so far? Do you think you are effectively scumhunting? Why or why not?
@Fonz: I must keep missing it; which post does Pergerine admit Thor wouldn't slip?-
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Because I don't like the noise PV and Thor are making over the multiball argument. GM wasn't contributing to that noise, but still made it elsewhere.
Kinda makes you look bad too tbh. I at least have meta of you getting into shitfests with Csaero.
A reads list or some other sort of proof you don't have a death tunnel on Aneninen would also be nice.-
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In post 1497, T S O wrote:You do? Because that meta is of me as town, so I have no idea how it makes me look bad.
I'd sure love to know!
That's what I'm saying. I'm scum reading 2 people for noise I don't like. You contributed to the bad noise too. But I have meta on you doing this as town, so it's somewhat less scummy. So I guess I have 2.5 noise-scum reads.-
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In post 1508, PeregrineV wrote:In post 1503, T S O wrote:Pere, who do you want dead today?
At this point, it will probably be me.
My vote on Scripten triggered too much for a simple vote. I'd want to lynch him.
Thor arguing like this I can see from town Thor, but the topic/reason/trigger was also insignificant. I'd lynch him. (But part of me wants to wait until multiball gets confirmed )
Egg for vote-parking. Unless someone can point out town-Egg doing this, classic scumtell.
Lurkers.
I'm ISO'ing your wagon right now and Muffin is probably vote parking worse than Egg yet was never mentioned.-
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In post 1520, Flubbernugget wrote:]
I'm ISO'ing your wagon right now and Muffin is probably vote parking worse than Egg yet was never mentioned.
Actually they're vote parking just as hard as each other, yet still somehow seem to be the least scummy players on the wagon. Either way Muffin got a free pass.-
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In post 1521, goodmorning wrote:I didn't realise that attempting to clarify Csareo's position on TSO could be classified as noise.
Good to know.
Didn't you IC a game with him?-
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In post 852, davesaz wrote:The reason I voted PeregrineV is that his post of reads was very comprehensive but mostly really thin. I believe I commented that I didn't see how there could be so many reads with so little information. When I combined that with the aspect that Thor pointed out (Pere seems to be fishing for a 2nd scum team) it pushed Pere firmly into scum territory for me.
I read this as "my vote on PV is shit so maybe sheeping thor will spray enough fabreeze on it for nobody to notice."-
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Tell me what you like about Thor.-
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In post 843, Thor665 wrote:Really, I think the primary issue is simply the written word. In person I say the same sort of stuff and people think I'm polite and to some degree funny. Same thing happened when we played audio mafia (except for the scum players). I think my vocal tone is different from what people presume it to be.
I should try doing an alt where I insist on posting readings of every post I make. I wonder what that would do to how I'm reacted to...
OT post because I didn't want to bring this up outside of the tread because of ongoing game rules and such but I reeeeeeealy wanna see you play this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6284925-
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@thor: your case is sound and valid as far as I can tell but it's beating the rotting remains of a dead horse and cousing apathy. If you don't see any other scumtells in him (or opportunities to dig for additional scumtells) what about this particular instance do you think could in be causing something worth going on about for this long?
@axle: okay I misread your post. But I don't understand the hesitation to list other scum reads.-
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Okay. So I ISO'd you, and did a CTRL+F on "pere."
This is what I found that isn't in regards to multiball.
In post 388, Thor665 wrote:
In post 385, PeregrineV wrote:In post 36, Thor665 wrote:I now support Csaro's lynch also.
Scripten's drunk post is also a policy lynch.
People should vote one or the other, my RVS stage is over.
I found Csaro's post refreshingly direct. What about them makes you want to lynch him?
Since when have drunk posts been a policy lynch?
1. I found it annoying that he was taking derp fake claims serious and extending the derp fake claim discussion.
2. Since always, for me.
Your post here is shockingly empty.
Vague. Though this is very early in the game so not necessarily poor play.
In post 435, Thor665 wrote:Could you vote Pere instead? You seemed to paint him with the same brush, and at least I know he's better than that. From what some people have said 'useless as Matthew McConaughey's shirts' is somewhat par for the course for Cho.
Request him to a Vig pool and vote Pere?
Vague.
In post 447, Thor665 wrote:I want to lynch Pere - get with the program.
Empty.
In post 449, Thor665 wrote:
In post 439, Izariael wrote:Sure, but I haven't posted my reads on every one of the other 20 players yet. Doesn't mean I don't have reads on such players though. I still found Scripten's "here are some minor reads - look I'm participating" to be the scummiest read I have.
Your reads are not very impressive to me then.
Want to sheep me on Pere? Maybe he's alternate scum team to you, yeah?
Empty.
In post 477, Thor665 wrote:In post 463, T S O wrote:Does anyone want to explain why Pere's actually scum, without attached mindless rhetoric? I don't get it/I'm too lazy to read it.
For lack of participation, awkward sheeping, and general lack of buying into the game.
Why do you think he's not scum?
Vague.
In post 559, Thor665 wrote:@Everyone - Pere claimed scum. I caught him. You may sheep me now.
Empty.
In post 835, Thor665 wrote:I think Pere is scum via play in thread, his lack of presence in the neighborhood means nothing really as he was checked out of the game for days after that anyway.
Vague.
In post 848, Thor665 wrote:Have you ever played with Pere prior to this? I feel like you must have.
He is not only doing a slow start (which I might buy as town him) but is pairing it with sloppy reads and not really looking over the thread (note how he agreed that...whoever that was, Muffin?, who had earlier brought up multiball was scum after it was pointed out. But if he had actually read and also actually thought that was an issue (as shown by his reaction to me) he would have mentioned it.
If he had openly stated he was skimming/sipping stuff - no worries.
But he didn't, he chose to present like he read.
He was probably lying about that.
Why do you think town Pere would do that?
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In post 1542, Thor665 wrote:6. You have failed to suggest why my case isn't good enough even while now admitting it is sound and valid... .
Because people make mistakes as town. So you could very well be playing on a pride issue to paint him as scum over an issue that is a lot smaller than it's being made out to be.-
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In post 1542, Thor665 wrote:5. Also, in case you missed it, he is playing super evasive since I started in on this - and I have been after him 100% when he does pop through, so complaining that I'm not digging is not being aware of the gamestate and annoying to me.
This should have been with the other quotes I found. And again, beating a dead horse causes apathy. So now it's a matter of evading as scum or evading a Thor beatdown.-
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In post 1544, Scripten wrote:In post 1525, Flubbernugget wrote:Scripten talk to me about your read on PV.
What would you like to talk about? I've already given pretty much all the thoughts I can on it. Just ISO me, the posts aren't that far up.
I find your (1361) and (1541) inconsistent. Most I can make of it is that 1541 invalidates 1361. Am I right?
What makes him more scummy than the other players you are taking issue with?
And it's one small issue blown out of proportion. The last back and forth I saw town Thor get into covered a wide range of topics. They all accumulated into his case.-
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In post 1548, Thor665 wrote:Well, a couple of those are actually quite explicit and not vague at all.
And I don't see the point you're trying to make regardless.
6. If he made a mistake he had plenty of time to at least discuss why he believed in that mistake. Instead he got dodgy - was that also a mistake on his part?
5. Which do you think is the more likely response from a town Pere who thinks he's right? How about from a scum Pere that doesn't?
If he is more focused on winning the argument what makes you think he would admit a mistake?
And either way I see you two arguing about it regardless of alignment, although the argument is more beneficial as scum.-
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In post 1554, PeregrineV wrote:128
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He voted 3x more people than Egg.
But since you brought it up, ISOed me and CTRL+F "Muffin", what did you find?
I ISO'd Muffin. His vote isn't sitting for as long as Egg's, but Egg pushed you several times after his vote, and made stronger pushes than Muffin. Both votes are equally "stale" IMO.-
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In post 1559, Garmr wrote:@Pere and thor
I think I'm falling asleep with this thor vs Pere thing can't you two resolve this.
You could put up a final case on each other then wait for like 3-6 days while focusing on other things then come back after providing reads and pushing other people. Whats the point of clogging up day 1 with just a case on one person. Your just filling walls upon walls and you stop addressing your views on other people with this tunneling.
How could you be falling asleep with the argument when Thor created a wagon from it!?!?!?!?!?!?!?-
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In post 1558, Thor665 wrote:Meh - I don't care because that's an empty comment and should justify you voting Pere as much as voting me, so it is meaningless to this discussion and shows a lack of thought in your actions. Am I wrong?
I had a better chance of changing the gamestate with a vote for you over PV.-
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In post 1612, Aneninen wrote:Flubber may be town. Eg. his 1493 seems to be genuine (and most of the 15xx posts too). Care to write more about 1520 and 1522?
Hm. Maybe not as complex a question as I thought.
But anyway. Muffin's vote doesn't suck because of 521.
Egg basically took his reads list and was like "your whole reads list is omgus. wtf."
Everyone else was like "Yaaaaay Thor." Especially Dave and Boonskies.
While I'm at it, I liked Fonz's reason for voting PV, but I didn't like that he really didn't dig into it. But I've kinda already gone into that enough.
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In post 1647, AxleGreaser wrote:@PereVHi.
It is important you read the words that I say in this post and respond to this post.
Do not try and explain your case/points against Thor to me, I read that already.
Your are a towny, you are trying to work the game out(or pretending to)
(ooo spooky colours)
What is your current belief in how likely this game is to be multiball?
Why?
Why are you bringing this upagain. Any conclusions to be made from this discussion should have already been made.-
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In post 1658, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 1655, Flubbernugget wrote:Why are you bringing this up again. Any conclusions to be made from this discussion should have already been made.
@Flubbertbugget is spelt like this @Flubbertbugget
@PereV is spelt differently.
@QuestionDodge is spelled like @AxelGreaser
Why do you not have a read on this issue already?
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In post 1663, AxleGreaser wrote:I find that scum players, especially the not so good ones, focus on finding scummy things someone did then ride that like there is no tomorrow.
This is exactly what you're doing when you bring up the multiball tell.-
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In post 1662, AxleGreaser wrote:(not a black and white thinker)
"I don't know what the fuck a summary is."
Still trying to parse your Anen read because one of us here is really fucking dumb.-
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In post 1662, AxleGreaser wrote:I largely think (most plausible) his recent flip onto me, 1612 was mixture of OMGUS and surprise shock, that he had mistakenly thought I was an ally come to save him when he realised my play said TSO was scum and was mute on his alignment that came as shock.
This is the closest thing to a read I could find in that wall.-
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In post 1680, davesaz wrote:I got something useful technique-wise from his reply to your question about it. I already knew a little of the technique and had previously used it to decide whether to vote PV. I hope that this back and forth didn't screw the process he was trying to use. I don't think these 3-4 posts will actually stall things, and I think if it does then we look at the people who make too much of it.
No I already tried that and I wasn't making a case, failing at reaction testing, and making a big stink about nothing.-
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In post 1717, AxleGreaser wrote:In post 1715, Flubbernugget wrote:
I probably have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about here though.
I kant imagine what you think that has to do with the game.
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