New York 181 -- Game Over

[House]

/confirm

[House]

For the record, it should be noted that I am in violation of Rule #27.

[House]

if i had to put it into words, i guess i dislike that he said the 2v3v2 thing. his vote on wake looks like someone who spotted something odd and decided to do some digging to see how they could justify a vote.

That's pretty ridiculous.

That post wasn't a vote w/ digging for reasons to justify it. It was voting Wake and applying pressure.

[House]

Wake said in Fire and Ice that he was changing styles. At first, I wondered if that's what was going on here. Then I remembered he was scum there. House, what do you think of Wake's early votes?

Can't say I care for it, tbh.

[House]

VOTE: texcat

No.

[House]

Let's take a short walk down memory lane, shall we?

Spoiler:

ika posts something intriguing...

ok i am going to deduct everyones role by end of day 1.

starting with me.

texcat is wrong...

ok i am going to deduct everyones role by end of day 1.

starting with me.

This seems like something scum would do.

I scold texcat.

VOTE: texcat

No.

dragonspawn places an opportunistic vote that I don't particularly care for the thought process behind...

ok i am going to deduct everyones role by end of day 1.

starting with me.

This seems like something scum would do.

Going to seriously vote here.

vote texcat

It's hardly scummy to try to figure out roles. In fact it's precisely what we are supposed to do. How else are we supposed to find scum if we don't determine their role?

VOTE: dragonspawn

[House]

also i will divine if elusive is town or not very early on starting with this:

elusive are you scum?

I'm town, yay.


However, this leads me into RVS Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
2. What is your second favoritest color?
3. Are you scum?
4. What is your spirit animal?
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:

Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

1. I'm scum at heart.
2) Silver
3) Why are you even asking this if you are also asking scum not to answer these questions? If you are expecting scum to answer them anyway, why do you think they would disregard your request to not answer the questions yet be honest about the one that would get them lynched? This isn't random, this is just fucking stupid.
4) Irrelevant to my alignment.
5) I do what I do. I watch what people do.

As far as most dangerous player, I'd have to say T S O because he'll do town in regardless of alignment.

[House]

Shucks you figure me out. Clearly I'm looking for an opportunity to be blatantly scummy at the beginning of the game..

I mean it's not like I could possibly find voting for a stupid reason to be scummy.[/sarcasm]

Stupidity isn't scummy. Manipulation is.

texcat's vote was stupid. Yours was manipulative.

[House]

Except he totally was.

He's positioning himself to rolefish and point to that post to rationalize it.

[House]

ooh questions

also i will divine if elusive is town or not very early on starting with this:

elusive are you scum?

I'm town, yay.


However, this leads me into RVS Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?
2. What is your second favoritest color?
3. Are you scum?
4. What is your spirit animal?
5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:

Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

1.Eh both have their charm
2.Light blue
3.Maybe
4.A quick google search and a quiz after say:Owl
5. I am trying to figure them out myeslf

Bonus: No idea, I do not know anyone of you good enough to make such a call.

Also

Unvote

I am kinda baffled at the attention that two random vote gathered tbh

That's a lot of bother to go to for a meaningless question, mate.

[House]

Shucks you figure me out. Clearly I'm looking for an opportunity to be blatantly scummy at the beginning of the game..

I mean it's not like I could possibly find voting for a stupid reason to be scummy.[/sarcasm]

Stupidity isn't scummy. Manipulation is.

texcat's vote was stupid. Yours was manipulative.

can you just solidify your current read on texcat for me

Why? Are you going to base yours off of it?

[House]

Why don't you take a guess considering I'm voting for you

Well, voting me = stupid.

Following my vote on texcat = stupid


So... yes?

[House]

However, this leads me into RVS Questions for Town (Scum Plz Do Not Answer So We Know Who U R)
1. Which do you like being more? Town or scum?

Town but I'm getting more comfortable with scum the more I play it.

2. What is your second favoritest color?

Purple

3. Are you scum?

Nope, I'm town this game.

4. What is your spirit animal?

Wolf obviously

5. What are your favorite scum hunting strategies and how do they work?

pressure voting, questioning, analyzing voting patterns and pushes, looking at the motivation behind behavior

Oh and bonus question for like the Truly Amazing:

Who is the most dangerous player (for either alignment) in this game's player list and why?

I don't know everyone playing so I can't say. TSO and ABR worry me because I have trouble reading ABR and TSO has a reputation of being extremely good as scum.

My answers are in bold and I have a question for you. What do you hope to learn with this line of questioning?

SW, whether it's meant to be or not.

Or, here is a breakdown of the questions and their purposes:
1. I like to know the true soul of a player.
2. Sometimes I like to know a little bit of something about people I'm playing with, it helps with the intuition\psychic vibes.
3. Already answered this re: House
4. I love this kind of question and quizzes and stuff. See 2.
5. To learn more better.

Bonus: Who people think is dangerous helps me to know who to trust\mistrust etc. {Stuffs}

Everyone who took the quiz so far has passed

, yay.

Oh please, you're not even trying to give an honest evaluation, here.

My answers were clearly scummy. Just ask Flubbernugget.

[House]

VOTE: Aneninenenineneninen

Be natural or be hanged. This crap will just be a distraction the entire game.

[House]

I wish I could ignore just certain peoples avatars

Ad-Block is your friend.

[House]

(House)

———✹[/color]

I don't fully understand your shift from dragonspawn to Aneninen.

Get used to it. Nobody ever fully understand me.

[House]

@wake house is a better player than to scumhunt in places that would boil down to semantic arguments so something's up

Flubber talking like he knows more about me than he does is making me paranoid.

[House]

Flubber bores me, and davesaz is no better.

Somebody with something interesting to say, please engage me.

[House]

Flubber bores me, and davesaz is no better.

Somebody with something interesting to say, please engage me.

Sure.

So what have you done so far this game, and what's been on your mind?

A whole lot of nothing, and FFXI.

So far, there's been nothing worth doing here.

[House]

Flubber bores me, and davesaz is no better.

Somebody with something interesting to say, please engage me.

Sure.

So what have you done so far this game, and what's been on your mind?

A whole lot of nothing, and FFXI.

So far, there's been nothing worth doing here.

Your blade is sharper than this.

Why not take a stab at someone and see how they bleed?

Should you be Town, I'm sure you're curious to learn who is who.

Roughly, who are you current three Scumspects and why?

You'd be surprised at how curious I'm not when there's nothing to arouse my curiosity.

At the moment, I'd say Aneninenineninen, Nikanor, and texcat are on my radar.

I think I've already said why on Anen.

I like the pushes on Nikanor, and not so crazy about their posts.

texcat is flying under the radar. She's the least suspicious of the three, but moreso than the nulls.

[House]

Actually, texcat has posted nothing... albeit 8 posts of nothing.

VOTE: texcat

Be productive or be hanged.

[House]

Flubber bores me, and davesaz is no better.

Somebody with something interesting to say, please engage me.

Sure.

So what have you done so far this game, and what's been on your mind?

A whole lot of nothing, and FFXI.

So far, there's been nothing worth doing here.

Your blade is sharper than this.

Why not take a stab at someone and see how they bleed?

Should you be Town, I'm sure you're curious to learn who is who.

Roughly, who are you current three Scumspects and why?

You'd be surprised at how curious I'm not when there's nothing to arouse my curiosity.

At the moment, I'd say Aneninenineninen, Nikanor, and texcat are on my radar.

I think I've already said why on Anen.

I like the pushes on Nikanor, and not so crazy about their posts.

texcat is flying under the radar. She's the least suspicious of the three, but moreso than the nulls.

Which three do you least suspect?

There are many things that pique my interest this game.

Ika's vote, Garmr's turnabout, elusive's quiz, deltawave's misplays...

Even if you are the Serial Killer, you should have something interesting to latch your focus on.

Bounce some more ideas off me, why don't you?

Probably Anen, as the least of the 3.

As far as the possibility of being an SK, there is none. I care more about blending in with town when I'm not. As I prefer scum roles over town roles, I'm more invested in those games.

I still play to my win con as town, but there's no rule saying I have to give myself migraines doing so. It's much easier emulating town than it is to be town, for me. You should know this to be true.

[House]

There's a few people in this game who have been utterly worthless. I always wonder if it's apathetic town or scum trying to breed apathy because I know if people do nothing or talk about how nothing is going on while doing nothing, it just naturally makes me not want to play.

I don't care about apathy.

Brought to you from the Department of Redundancy Department.

[House]

There's a few people in this game who have been utterly worthless. I always wonder if it's apathetic town or scum trying to breed apathy because I know if people do nothing or talk about how nothing is going on while doing nothing, it just naturally makes me not want to play.

I don't care about apathy.

Brought to you from the Department of Redundancy Department.

What do you care about in this game?

I care about interesting things.

You're interesting, Wolfie. Maybe not every post you make (who could possibly make every post interesting??), but you as a player are definitely interesting.

[House]

Also, I'm an easy target for scum to push, so I wouldn't be surprised if one of Flubber or dave were scum.

That said, I can't see them both as scum because that'd be throwing a lot of effort into the same target and poses too high of a risk of creating associatives.

[House]

There's a few people in this game who have been utterly worthless. I always wonder if it's apathetic town or scum trying to breed apathy because I know if people do nothing or talk about how nothing is going on while doing nothing, it just naturally makes me not want to play.

I don't care about apathy.

Brought to you from the Department of Redundancy Department.

What do you care about in this game?

I care about interesting things.

Things, people, etc that capture my interest.

How do you define it?
You're interesting, Wolfie. Maybe not every post you make (who could possibly make every post interesting??), but you as a player are definitely interesting.

How do you define interesting?

[House]

There's a few people in this game who have been utterly worthless. I always wonder if it's apathetic town or scum trying to breed apathy because I know if people do nothing or talk about how nothing is going on while doing nothing, it just naturally makes me not want to play.

I don't care about apathy.

Brought to you from the Department of Redundancy Department.

What do you care about in this game?

I care about interesting things.

You're interesting, Wolfie. Maybe not every post you make (who could possibly make every post interesting??), but you as a player are definitely interesting.

How do you define interesting?

Things, people, etc that capture my interest.

How do you define it?

(Fix't)

[House]

@wake house is a better player than to scumhunt in places that would boil down to semantic arguments so something's up

House's reads are shallow. I don't see him analyzing intentions, just going after actions that in their current context that should be null.

This statement doesn't jibe with his previous one about me at all.

Two different examples of Flubber insinuating knowledge of my playstyle where the information in his posts are directly contradictory to the desired perception of his posts.

First off, he's attempting to enlighten Wake on my playstyle. Wake, of all people. The person that introduced me to mafiascum, and Flubber thinks he can tell him something that he doesn't already know about me... which is doubly bad considering he's dead wrong in what he's trying to pass off to Wake.

Then, he makes some bullshit accusation about my scumhunting when I haven't even had a chance to begin yet considering we're in day fucking one, trying to make it sound like I have ulterior motives when there's simply nothing to work with.

This isn't town pushing a scumspect. This is scum chasing a safe target that he knows won't be lynched but justifies keeping him off the mislynch wagon.

[House]

@House Hey you seem to be concerned about tex fllying under the radar, why aren't you also concerned about the other lurcksacks like art and delta ?

You haven't said much of anything about them. What gives?

I don't know art & delta.

If you're concerned about them, feel free to engage them.

[House]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

... tis late here.

[House]

House- He's gonna be a tough one for me. I had him as obvtown in my game with him where he was town. His scum game with me was one where it's hard to use because of certain events. Honestly, I don't see the TownHouse I saw in Fire and Ice. But nothing looks overly scummy. Hell, nothing looked overly scummy in his scum game until he softed a role that wasn't in the game to get the cop lynched, claimed he was town fakeclaiming, and showed dumbtown meta to back it. I dunno. I'm going maybe a step below null with my only reason for a scum read probably being paranoia.

In all fairness, I should have been turbolynched D2 in that game. Town really dropped the ball there, and I was scrambling around to maximize on it.

[House]

Dave - Interesting ISO. I see a decent amount of posts full of questions and statements. However, very little of it has anything to do with any reads Dave might have. It's all about playstyle changes, Elusive's questions, and looking for clarification on things. Dave also hasn't changed his vote since a wishy washy maybe this is scum type vote in post 49. A large I was in with Dave just ended (granted I died in October) and I was scum reading TownDave there, but a quick glance at his ISO in that game shows solid stances with use of the words "town" and "scum" even in the early game. Dave just entered my radar as possible scum.

You waffle a great deal over a number of players that you state misreading/having difficulty reading, yet you admit to misreading Dave in the past yet you want him lynched.

What's the difference between your read on Dave and your reads on me, Wake, ABR, etc?

This is only one problem I have with your reads wall. It's not typical Egg-quality analysis and I don't like it.

[House]

King - Hasn't done anything except jump on TSO. Answering he likes SK stands out, but I don't know what to make of it. Need to see more before I commit to a read here. Call him slightly scummier than my null pile I guess.

Kling is a

her

, please.

Anyway, I like being the SK because it's much easier to play as a Townie - I'm trying to kill off the Mafia too, you see. I don't have to deal with busing (I won't hesitate to bus as needed, I expect the same from my partners.) I don't have to protect any partners. When I'm Town I'm either a useless/weak Vanilla, or I'm a PR that's totally paranoid about getting NK'd. So, as an SK I get to play as Town and kill the hell out of everyone at Night. Good times!

I am Town this game, btw.

So KC, what do you think about the fact SW rolled scum this game?

[House]

@Garmr hmm I dunno maybe two cakes? But tgen again bribery seems like such a naughty thing. Let alone tgat the cake has a tendency to be a lie

So KC, what do you think about the fact SW rolled scum this game?

what makes you think so? I have been townreading her thus far.

You're not KC.

[House]

Oh my yesof course I forgot this game is between u and her. How dare I question your read.

If I could PM her and ask, I would. But you know, that sort of thing is frowned upon, so unfortunately I have to ask out here.

It wasn't an invitation to butt in just because you saw my post.

[House]

Oh my yesof course I forgot this game is between u and her. How dare I question your read.

If I could PM her and ask, I would. But you know, that sort of thing is frowned upon, so unfortunately I have to ask out here.

It wasn't an invitation to butt in just because you saw my post.

..........

My guess is housed is trying to get some response from kc about SW. As you aren't her, I don't think he cares about your response. Nothing personal just how house plays.

Makes me lean town on house. Only slight town but town so far.

Which is pretty much shot to shit with all this discussion about it.

[House]

PSA

: If somebody directs a post to a specific player, please reserve your comments until that player responds.

kthx.

[House]

PSA

: If somebody directs a post to a specific player, please reserve your comments until that player responds.

kthx.

Addendum: Unless that player is Flubbernugget addressing me.

Then, comment away.

[House]

Interesting, ABR

I quoted what I found scummy.

"If I were scum, I would buddy you" > proceeds to buddying silverwolf.

???

All kinds of alarms go off.

You really think Wake is that stupid?

???

All kinds of derp arlarms go off.

[House]

That quote I posed at the beginning of this page is the single most scummy thing that has happened in this entire game so far. Freeko close second.

He clearly said he wasn't scum in that post.

Why do you disbelieve him?

[House]

Interesting, ABR

I quoted what I found scummy.

"If I were scum, I would buddy you" > proceeds to buddying silverwolf.

???

All kinds of alarms go off.

You really think Wake is that stupid?

???

All kinds of derp arlarms go off.

What do you think he was trying to accomplish with that statement?

Leave me alone, I'm interacting with ABR.

Revisit this issue later if you can't figure it out.

[House]

Sort of. It's more that he's specifically using names and telling us what he thinks about who is a power role.

Do you think that is anti-town or scum?

[House]

House , maybe both. Anti town for sure. Still debating on whether it's scum or not.

I'd find it difficult to buy as scumplay, as I'd imagine they'd be far more likely to keep such opinions to themselves lest they give themselves away later when their PR reads start turning up dead.

[House]

King - Hasn't done anything except jump on TSO. Answering he likes SK stands out, but I don't know what to make of it. Need to see more before I commit to a read here. Call him slightly scummier than my null pile I guess.

Kling is a

her

, please.

Anyway, I like being the SK because it's much easier to play as a Townie - I'm trying to kill off the Mafia too, you see. I don't have to deal with busing (I won't hesitate to bus as needed, I expect the same from my partners.) I don't have to protect any partners. When I'm Town I'm either a useless/weak Vanilla, or I'm a PR that's totally paranoid about getting NK'd. So, as an SK I get to play as Town and kill the hell out of everyone at Night. Good times!

I am Town this game, btw.

So KC, what do you think about the fact SW rolled scum this game?

I'm not sure what to think of her, but she is on my overly-long Potential Scum list.

Wanna wagon her?

I think I wanna wagon her.

[House]

PSA

: If somebody directs a post to a specific player, please reserve your comments until that player responds.

kthx.

Belay that request.

I'll take answers from anyone con mucho gusto.

Belay that belay.

it's not hard to give somebody a chance to respond first, and it's far more helpful to not shit up the thread and ruin the inquisitor's efforts to give them some time before piping up with your own 2 cents.

[House]

pedit: house who are your top 2 town reads, top 3 scum reads and top sk read atm?

Not keen on egg's play so far, but I don't like him for a D1 lynch because he's simply too good an asset to risk mislynching.
Silverwolf is pinging scum to me, but I'm looking for input from others who are familiar with her scum game to confirm I'm not paranoid.

As far as top town reads go, I'd prefer not to give scum targets, thanks.

As far as sk goes, I frankly wouldn't be surprised if it's you.

[House]

House , maybe both. Anti town for sure. Still debating on whether it's scum or not.

I'd find it difficult to buy as scumplay, as I'd imagine they'd be far more likely to keep such opinions to themselves lest they give themselves away later when their PR reads start turning up dead.

EBWOP:

It does however fit sk play because there are two reasons why a player might be pinging a little scummy, and that's if they're either a PR or scum. An SK would need to have a good bead on which is which in order to maximize his/her chances to survive to the endgame while simultaneously avoiding the lynch and NK him/herself.

[House]

Serial Killers typically con as town (hence the existence of FBI Agents, which is notably absent in this game), so our SK has nothing to worry about from our PR's and stands to lose nothing by picking up crumbs and defending them should they be wagoned, thus earning them town cred when the PR claims.

[House]

Wanna wagon her?

I think I wanna wagon her.

I have no idea why you are trying to gang up with others to wagon me, continue to talk about me like I'm not here, and refuse to talk to me when I ask you a couple questions.

It's rude.

Buckle your seatbelt then, because here's more:

Silverwolf is pinging scum to me, but

I'm looking for input from others who are familiar with her scum game to confirm I'm not paranoid.

[House]

Wanna wagon her?

I think I wanna wagon her.

I have no idea why you are trying to gang up with others to wagon me, continue to talk about me like I'm not here, and refuse to talk to me when I ask you a couple questions.

It's rude.

Buckle your seatbelt then, because here's more:

Silverwolf is pinging scum to me, but

I'm looking for input from others who are familiar with her scum game to confirm I'm not paranoid.

You think I can't read? I already saw that. I'm not blind.

If that's true, your previous post is disingenuous, because I had already explained why I asked KlingonCelt her opinion on making a wagon on you, so you were misrepping my intentions.

VOTE: SilverWolf

[House]

Wanna wagon her?

I think I wanna wagon her.

I have no idea why you are trying to gang up with others to wagon me, continue to talk about me like I'm not here, and refuse to talk to me when I ask you a couple questions.

It's rude.

Buckle your seatbelt then, because here's more:

Silverwolf is pinging scum to me, but

I'm looking for input from others who are familiar with her scum game to confirm I'm not paranoid.

You think I can't read? I already saw that. I'm not blind.

If that's true, your previous post is disingenuous, because I had already explained why I asked KlingonCelt her opinion on making a wagon on you, so you were misrepping my intentions.

VOTE: SilverWolf

No, what you did is ignore me when I asked you a couple questions and told me to leave you alone. Then you asked Klingon what she thought about me rolling scum this game while never once engaging me about one damn thing at all. Then she said I'm on her list of scum suspects and I've asked her twice about it and she's going on and on about the SK instead. Then you ask her is she wants to wagon me while still not engaging me directly and now you vote for me by twisting my words about instead of asking me questions and you've made zero attempt this game to try to read me.

If you are town, you should easily be able to figure out my alignment from the over 80 posts I've made so far but you don't really seem interested in that. You just want to aggravate me for some reason and you want Klingon to help you.

More dissembling.

1) I asked Klingon how she felt about you being scum before I asked you to leave me alone.
2) I asked you to leave me alone because I was interacting with ABR & flat out asked you to revisit it later. It wasn't a brushoff like you are implying.
3) You're putting your beef with KC in your post in response to my vote. WTF is up with that?
4) I've obviously read you and you're responding exactly how I would expect scum!SW to react.

It's funny how you criticize me for not interacting with you to form a read when you're... interacting... with me... right now. You are more aware than most that I form many of my reads via reaction testing, and you are failing badly here because I'm not seeing town!SW in your response to my vote.

[House]

PSA

: If somebody directs a post to a specific player, please reserve your comments until that player responds.

kthx.

Belay that request.

I'll take answers from anyone con mucho gusto.

Belay that belay.

it's not hard to give somebody a chance to respond first, and it's far more helpful to not shit up the thread and ruin the inquisitor's efforts to give them some time before piping up with your own 2 cents.

Which is great if you get a reply right away. Kinda sucks if your intended respondent rarely posrs.

That's the questioner's fault for directing the question to a lurkslot. Be smart with your questions.

[House]

Bringing your USMB site meta over here feels pretty forced, SW.

This isn't your first time drawing votes on this site, and you didn't make this kind of scene about it.

If you had pulled this over on USMB, I'd have moved on. Here, I'm not buying it because you're an IC that knows better than to set such an example even outside the newbie queue.

[House]

Interesting, ABR

I quoted what I found scummy.

"If I were scum, I would buddy you" > proceeds to buddying silverwolf.

???

All kinds of alarms go off.

You really think Wake is that stupid?

???

All kinds of derp arlarms go off.

What do you think he was trying to accomplish with that statement?

I think Wake is nobody's fool. There's just as much (if not more) possibility that he is town trying to look scummy than there is him being scum screwing up in the same post he mentions his meta.

[House]

Bringing your USMB site meta over here feels pretty forced, SW.

This isn't your first time drawing votes on this site, and you didn't make this kind of scene about it.

If you had pulled this over on USMB, I'd have moved on. Here, I'm not buying it because you're an IC that knows better than to set such an example even outside the newbie queue.

Fuck You!!

I'm going through some serious shit IRL and I play this game to enjoy it. This isn't about getting votes. You notice I didn't care about Delta's. This is about common human decency which two people who I thought were my friends can't even bother to show me a little bit of.

You never asked me questions or interacted with me or tried to read me. You are just taunting me and being an asshole. I have no interest in that right now and frankly, I don't have to put up with it.

Who the fuck do you think you are? I have not taunted you once. If I had ever unleashed on you the way I do with others, you'd probably leave the fucking site.

I've been reading your posts and building my read on what you've said. Making a vote isn't always about "LYNCH THIS PERSON NAO", many times it is also to see how said person reacts to that vote. IT IS A WAY TO READ THEM.

Get off your fucking high horse, I have done nothing to deserve your bile.

[House]

Thinks I got from the last two pages.

I think silver wolfs town from her reactions in this convo alone. I don't think she has the heart to fake a emotional response like that.

I think that klingons probably the sk. She seems to have gotten wrapped up about it and by pushing the sk label on silver I think she thinks it's actually her attempt distancing herself from the role in the future.

663 would have been easy to fake as scum, but 667 pings me as genuine.

UNVOTE:

[House]

Eh I dunno what to make of the above stuff. It does seem a bit over the top reaction especially if u consider that

I was told that this is how house is

but then again I don't really know how SW acts

Bleh still town read her

Who told you such a thing?

[House]

meh, silver was always probtown.
house too.
ika why do you think that klingon cannot be mafia?

631

also her defense of "you know how i play as sk" (hint for kling: that was MM not sk) is eerily similar. where she just kinda talks about random stuff and doesnt really solve the game

Scum can also setup derp, I've done it in the past as SK.

Why are you discounting the fact that she can be SK?

[House]

VOTE: KlingonCelt

Here there be scum.

[House]

house can you cop garmr tonight if i protect you?

wtf dude.

[House]

house can you cop garmr tonight if i protect you?

wtf dude.

house would you like a nice glass of WIFOM?

Would you like to not do that when you don't know whether you're right or not?

[House]

House

-

Spoiler:

Did you purposefully push SW to the point of emotional reaction to figure her out? What do you think about her role reveal (for example I think revealing as VT is bad to do because you let scum narrow down the PRs). Where do you stand on Klingon's assertions that SW fakes emotional reactions which SW refutes? If I were hyper paranoid I might think that the entire situation was staged to make it seem like you aren't all on the same team.

Not a fan of replying to wall posts, but thank you for at least showing the courtesy of placing your question to me somewhat close to the top to make it easier to edit.

Klingon is more familiar with SW's meta than I am, and she should have told me I was being paranoid instead of bolstering my scumread.

[House]

Nik, weren't you saying something about dragon not having played with me before.

On, ika, I think it's obvious. If he keeps blatantly rolefishing, he's going to out power roles making him a very dangerous liability especially if he outs the doc. He's not playing to a town win condition regardless of his alignment.

This is bad.

[House]

liking House, texcat for town.
Wake, elusive, dragonspawn look scummy. elusive less so than the others, just one post is pinging me, where she got her back up over the sauron joke.
all my reads are conflicting though. like, probably only one of garmr/wake and one of dragon/elusive are scum. but i'm scumreading all four. it sucks.
whine whine whine

i also just skimmed five pages so my reads are prob shit

Why is texcat town?

pls don't do the thing where you ask questions as you go along, it's super obstructive and this is already a big game. /:

Why is texcat town?

[House]

Nik, weren't you saying something about dragon not having played with me before.

On, ika, I think it's obvious. If he keeps blatantly rolefishing, he's going to out power roles making him a very dangerous liability especially if he outs the doc. He's not playing to a town win condition regardless of his alignment.

This is bad.

Why? Do you disagree?

ika gambits. A lot. It's bad to try to lynch him for that when it's just how he plays. I'm not calling ika town, but I certainly wouldn't lynch him without a stronger read than I have.

Soft-selling his wagon as a couched PR is scummy and you should know better.

[House]

Anen, there is something called the Garcia rule where you don't answer questions directed at another player. If I'm trying to get a read\reaction from someone and someone else defuses it, I will be annoyed.

omg have my babies.

[House]

Scum-Texcat, Klingoncelt, Flubbernugget, freeko, Shiro

idk about freeko (not a soft-defense, just haven't been paying attention to them), but the rest of that list looks legit.

[House]

"You've never treated me like this before..."

Damn right I haven't. I've put up with your ridiculous tantrums and your self-proclaimed "tells" long enough. You are scum. And your tantrum after just a couple of votes is inexcusable, as is your rush to claim.

I never said you faked emotional reactions, I said you have them because no one is allowed to vote you off, ever.

So fuck that, hunny.

This is completely unacceptable and inexcusable.

If somebody is personally attacking you, or if you feel they are, the correct course of action is to report it to the mod.

Not threaten to quit.

[House]

Frankly, I don't care who other suspects are at this point.

KlingonCelt has not crossed a line, she erased & bounded over it.

She needs to go for the sake of the game.

[House]

@mod

: Please either mod kill or force replace KlingonCelt for her personal attacks against SilverWolf. She has made posts that have zero bearing on the game and flat out break site guidelines.

[House]

@#864 Garmr: Isnt the setup public knowledge in the first post? Last I checked it has a breakdown of there being 15 town 4 mafia and 1 sk.

Why would klingoncelt try to be theorizing on a thing that is literally the first thing shown on the first post? filler?

I think the technical term is, "not reading".

[House]

Still policy lynching kling

Unwise.

Unfortunately you aren't making a good case for this

Okay. I'm all ears. What would make a good case?

Something more than unwise

Okay.

Policy lynching me is not fair. I did not lash out because there were a couple of votes on me, that was someone else.
Punish the player that started the shit, not the one that finished it.

Further, I am 99.99% sure that wolf/her slot is Scum/SK. Why should I not be allowed to vote for her/it/them/him?

Nobody gives a fuck about your vote. Where you crossed the line was your venomous bullshit and you need to go or we'll be doing this shit the entire game.

[House]

Just checked everyone voting her. Everyone has presented/or sheeped reason to think she is scum sk/mafia why was this called a policy lynch?

What reason other than not seeing how town SW was is there? DId I miss anything?

Do you really agree there is enough stuff to make KC look like scum over other people?

Of course there is. Inciting unrest is scum as shit, and all this drama has scum motivation all over it.

[House]

Just checked everyone voting her. Everyone has presented/or sheeped reason to think she is scum sk/mafia why was this called a policy lynch?

What reason other than not seeing how town SW was is there? DId I miss anything?

Do you really agree there is enough stuff to make KC look like scum over other people?

Of course there is. Inciting unrest is scum as shit, and all this drama has scum motivation all over it.

How she become the center of attention while she could have dropped it and diffused the situation and suspicions.

You forger that you instigated this house

I forgot nothing, because I didn't instigate shit. I was not sitting at KlingonCelt's keyboard or whispering in her ear when she exploded her shit all over this thread. The only thing I "instigated" was her opinion when I asked what she thought of SilverWolf being scum.

That's not instigation, it's inquisition. Your misrep is shit as well, and I wouldn't be suprised if you were her scumbuddy.

[House]

Say what you want but you did instigate this. SW was arguing with you first telling you to sto treating her like that then you backed off and Kc prolonged it.

How exactly am I misrepresenting anything?

In anycase tell me then what are the reasons she is scum other than the drama caused? Because honestly that isn't much of a reason.

1) Precisely, I backed off so things could chill out. You don't understand the definition of the term instigate. My interaction with SilverWolf was genuine, and when I read her as town, I left her the fuck alone. KC shit up the thread with all this bullshit to create the very drama that is dredging on right now & it's not going to end until one of us is gone, period.

2) You're misrepping me my claiming I put KC up to all this bullshit by asking her opinion, which is a flat out lie & extremely offensive besides.

3) Drama is pro-scum you nitwit. It's shitting up the thread a hell of a lot more than innocuous fluff posts.

[House]

my = by

[House]

Ika, my bad.

Freeko, Anne and drix weren't random. But if you don't have an answer for me, it's not relevant.

Drix, I think it was the way you phrased it. It felt like" everyone drop your scrum reads and vote a lurker" and my first thought was something like now why is this so important to you? I don't know. It just felt weird to me. Talk to me about king though.

I took the SK stuff as a town tell for her transparency about how she would play it.

Why? I've discussed my scum game as scum. She's far more brazen than I.

[House]

For me with opens, i find its much easier to jsut find everyones roles. its too textbook of a game to play.

this is literally my take on opens:
PR want to act like VTs
VTs want to act like PRs
VTs want to just be VTs cus then cna obvitown
Scums want to act like VT

its a stupid cycle. nobody ever wants to diviate from it.

pedit: its fine, your still a strong town read of mine. is the second refering to em or somethign?

I'm not concerned with your read of me. I'm concerned with your read of KlingonCelt. Your soft-defense is troubling me. Although, you

do

have a history of going to bat for scum on weak grounds.

[House]

now you want o be useful to me and tlak about your scum/town reads or not?

After KlingonCelt is dead one way or the other, sure.

If people want me to participate, they'll get rid of the player that damaged the game. As far as I'm concerned, this game is frozen as long as she's still in it.

[House]

For me with opens, i find its much easier to jsut find everyones roles. its too textbook of a game to play.

this is literally my take on opens:
PR want to act like VTs
VTs want to act like PRs
VTs want to just be VTs cus then cna obvitown
Scums want to act like VT

its a stupid cycle. nobody ever wants to diviate from it.

pedit: its fine, your still a strong town read of mine. is the second refering to em or somethign?

I'm not concerned with your read of me. I'm concerned with your read of KlingonCelt. Your soft-defense is troubling me. Although, you

do

have a history of going to bat for scum on weak grounds.

that was directed at egg house....

And mine was directed at Egg. idk why I misquoted.

[House]

House, SKs usually avoid talking about SK. Your only goal is survival. I've never played with King though so maybe I'm wrong. Still, I feel like the case is very weak.

Whose ass did you pull that assumption out of? When it's known there's an SK in the setup, there's zero motive to avoid discussing it as the SK.

Meta KlingonCelt, because like I said, she's more brazen than I am.

Your assumption is terrible & you're making the same mistake you made in our last game together.

[House]

@house: -.-

while im in agreement, it shouldn't stop you from talking to players about the game

Well it does, and if you were as offended as you claimed by her sociopathic rampage, you'd do the same.

[House]

I don't have any meta of King. I've never played with her.

That deflection is weak, Egg.

[House]

I don't have any meta of King. I've never played with her.

This is not Egg quality townplay. Even when he's wrong, he at least does his homework. He's avoiding it here.

[House]

With Silverwolf's departure a policy lynch is no longer warranted, because an essential element required to keep that specific conflict going has unfortunately left.

Running off a quality player makes the policy lynch all that more important because such shit behavior should not be tolerated regardless of alignment.

[House]

prodge.

[House]

Go for it.

You know how I feel about cop clears. They don't mean much.

Enjoy yourself, though.

[House]

ika, I feel like being mean towards someone. House is one of the possibilities. Think I can break him?

Prepare to be indifferented to death.

[House]

but seriously what the hell is ika saying about investigating himself?

It's ikaspeak.

Don't get all caught up on it.

[House]

Hi House What are your reads on the game? I know you least and second favorite color, what is the first?

Should we lynch Nikanor today? Why or why not?

Is ABR always so horribly manipulative?

I don't really care until KlingonCelt is lynched.

Blue.

No. Because we need to lynch KlingonCelt.

KlingonCelt needs to be lynched.

[House]

@Egg, You're probably right that my vote for Dragonspawn was mostly irritation at being compared with Delta. Some of it was also his weakass list of suspects.

UNVOTE: Dragon
VOTE: Klingoncelt
I agreed with Anen's #779 way back when, and Klingon hasn't done anything to make me change my mind.

@ABR, what's up with you? Your recent posts have not inspired confidence.

ilu.

[House]

House,

SO you are saying that you aren't confident in the Mod making the right decision and have to make players do it even if its anti-town? And not only that you will approve of scummy players doing it?

Unless this is a scum catching trap?

KlingonCelt needs to die today.

Period.

[House]

Full. Stop.

[House]

Also how do you not have hair?

omg, you can't just ask someone why they don't have hair

i thought the questions you dont ask are "weight" "age" and "when you expecting"

Nah, it's not so straightforward.

As a rule of thumb, don't ask any questions that might so much as infer they are less than a greek goddess.

[House]

REvised: *House, I'm thinking PG13 mean thoughts towards you"

I'm seething with apathy.

[House]

House, the Greek Gods are so played out. I prefer something more unknown and ancient. Sumerian? Babylonian? Phoenician? Mayan? Aztecian?

ika, an Avril Lavigne song of course

Egg, what about "Did your ancestors do slavery?"

elusive, did your ancestors participate in the slave trade?

[House]

Just figured I'd help you figure out the answer to your question.

[House]

House, the Greek Gods are so played out. I prefer something more unknown

omg you're a hipster.

[House]

Zooey Deschanel

No, I think you're more like a Mischa Barton.

[House]

Tonight could have meant IRL tonight or in-game Tonight. I suspected the latter one and because Klingonette hasn't posted anything else for hours it seems that I'm right – therefore, it might have been an SK-slip.
Also, there's that (2) point in that post from me, it wasn't only the word "tonight" why I re-voted her again.

I'd be shocked if the SK actually talked about tonight's kill in thread.

It could easily be done as a misdirection tactic.

[House]

klingon is town because of her obstinacy re:SilverWolf

That's just plain naive.

[House]

So it was ABR who actually put personal info on SW (although KC did too in a passive aggressive way) out and then Mod redacted it? I'm not sure why people were railing just against KC and not getting rid of ABR for that alone? SW should be told what the original post contained, by her friends, and then be recommended to have higher authorities deal with it. House and ika, why not mad at ABR?

Because ABR's post would not have happened were it not for KC's instigation.

He's not without blame, but I'm not a fan of scorched earth tactics. Take out the root of the problem, and the rest will resolve itself.

The root of the problem is KlingonCelt.

[House]

The person who instigated a murder is charged with Accomplice or something like that. The Murderer is charged with Murder.

I don't know what redacted held but if it seriously held a value then that is much worse. KC is not off the hook because it tried to use "backhandedness" to do the same thing but ABR actually crossing the line 100% is actually more so bad.

For example, you share you RL picture with someone and then you have an online fight with them and they say "House shouldn't even be talking, do you know that he's not 6feets but much less then that?" And then another person comes and states, "Yeah he's 5'6" The first is bad and the second is murder because they weren't involved in the actual emotional drama of it as a primary person.

Wrong. I'm glad you're not my lawyer because you've never heard of terms such as depraved indifference.

[House]

Well God forbid I have to ever need a lawyer and most people don't. So you are saying ABR is depraved-indifference or second degree murder?

No, KlingonCelt displayed depraved indifference in her attacks on SilverWolf, which spurred ABR's post clarifying KlingonCelt's insinuation as to her age.

[House]

To constitute depraved indifference, the defendant's conduct must be 'so wanton, so deficient in a moral sense of concern, so lacking in regard for the life or lives of others, and so blameworthy as to warrant the same criminal liability as that which the law imposes upon a person who intentionally causes a crime. Depraved indifference focuses on the risk created by the defendant’s conduct, not the injuries actually resulting.

Source: http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/depraved-indifference/

[House]

@house and elusive.

Stop arguing about who's at fault it will make the game stale again.

It already is.

[House]

House,

Did he put a real age or did he make some sort of joke? I'm assuming because of redacted that he put a real number. From my understanding of SW it was the sharing of personal info that really got her to leave the game, before that she was only saying VLA.

Garmr, I will leave a game where I think the people suck so it's important to me to know many things like which player to avoid playing or knowing because they suckage.

He put her age in his post, in clarification of KlingonCelt's insinuation. Had she not gone there in the first place, there is no reason whatsoever to believe that ABR would have posted it.

[House]

@house&elusive

What do you hope to achieve by continuing this and keeping the game in a stale state?

@Elusive can you do that after the game not during it?

Justice.

[House]

House,

I guess I think both committed egregious breaches but you're only calling out KC rather then ABR, did he have permission from SW to do so? I doubt it concerning her reactions and what's worst making insinuations or making the actual concrete thing?

That is what I meant by female drama in that its about making insinuations or being backhanded so that its harder to pin someone down for being cruel or whatever. Whereas its more masculine to just be direct and all offensive with cursing and stuff like that.

If KC & ABR were both removed, I'd have no complaints. I just place more gravity on the one creating the entire scenario than I do 1 who makes 1 erratic post. If getting rid of KC meant he went too, I wouldn't shed any tears over it.

[House]

ABR, ok to the clarification.

House, to be honest I'm thinking that SW and KC could make up if they have been knowing each other for a while and stuff and like cry it all out which is why I'm hesitant to say stuff like that.

What you're ignoring is the effect all this drama had on the game. Condoning it just encourages it to happen in the future.

[House]

Crap, just now read post 1260, my apologies.

[House]

UNVOTE:

I still feel like my vote should be here due to reasons, but I don't want to be hyper-focused and ignore other behaviors.

I will be rereading this thread when I have more time, going to sleep soon.

[House]

I could do an Anen lynch.

Several of his reads feel very convenient and poorly explained. Not to mention the whole, "Look how town I am for catching ika's hints" b/s, which town shouldn't want called out because it just informs the scum if they happened to have missed/misunderstood it.

His 3 probscum reads are all low hanging fruit that have a history of being lynched D1 as town.

He's keeping me in the null "safety" zone to avoid provoking my interactions by scumreading me, likely because he has seen how I reacted to that in the past and wished to avoid the attention. (Not enough to really say much on its own, but it raised a flag considering he knows my play).

I'd be thrilled to farm his reads list for scum buddies if he were to flip scum, because I think there's a couple good leads in there.

VOTE: Aneneninenineneninenineneninenineneninenineneninenineneninenineneninenineneninenineneninenineneninenineneninenineneninenineneninenin

[House]

Yeah, a lot of that reads list surprised me, especially on the town side. Drix and Wake stand out the most.

Drix stands out more as a whiteknighting read (assuming Anen scum). I'd be more likely to believe Wake was his partner of the two, if it came to that, because scum tends to leantown or nulltown their buddies to allow them to bus easier later.

[House]

Read the postcount, and I don't see how Drix would need any WKing, so idk...

[House]

votecount*

[House]

Yeah, a lot of that reads list surprised me, especially on the town side. Drix and Wake stand out the most.

Drix stands out more as a whiteknighting read (assuming Anen scum). I'd be more likely to believe Wake was his partner of the two, if it came to that, because scum tends to leantown or nulltown their buddies to allow them to bus easier later.

I dunno. Drix hasn't had the pressure for WK to make sense in my opinion (and it looks like you came to the same conclusion in your next post). Scum usually spread their buddies out on lists like that so one town, one nullish, and one scum would be most likely although it's not really quite that black and white.

Dave, Drix stands out because I don't see how he got such a strong town read on an unexplained "vibe".

Read my post immediately after.

[House]

I could do an Anen lynch.

Several of his reads feel very convenient and poorly explained. Not to mention the whole, "Look how town I am for catching ika's hints" b/s, which town shouldn't want called out because it just informs the scum if they happened to have missed/misunderstood it.

His 3 probscum reads are all low hanging fruit that have a history of being lynched D1 as town.

Do you primarily agree or disagree with Anen's reads? If it's a mixture, which ones do you disagree with?

Why do you think I'd want him dead if I agreed with his reads?

[House]

I have "pings" right now an if I told them, that would change certain players' forthcoming posts. Is that clear?

Then why even bring it up at all until you're ready to share what the fuck you have to say?

No, it's not clear at all.

[House]

Isn't it a lot like waiting for a response to a question to a specific player before commenting?

In what universe?

[House]

No longer mad at house I get it now

Wait, what?

[House]

The way I see it, this game needs a fresh gameday to hopefully remove the taint that this one has brought.

If you want to remove the taint, stop referring to it.

Your passive-aggressive attempts to keep dredging it back up is scum as fuck.

[House]

I'm keeping my eye on Wake and House. They make me nervous because they beat me with their scum hydra in our last game together. I'm trying to keep them separate but they seem to blend because of the hydra as well as their avatars.

95% of that game was me, by the way. Wake was preoccupied w/ Work. It should be relatively simple to see which posts are Wake's (he signed his, I rarely, if ever, signed mine).

[House]

Perhaps nervous is the wrong word. I'm wary of you and House for fooling me before. I'm wary of you because you don't seem to be scum hunting, or don't seem to be scum hunting up to your ability. You and House are both on my watch list.

So why are you wary of me?

[House]

VOTE: DeltaWave

Think I'll just stay camped here until errbody else figures it out.

[House]

Post 1453: freeko is "scum as fuck"
Post 1457: yeah but I won't vote him

Makes me think 1453 wasn't genuine.

1453 was plenty genuine, but here's the rub... town does scum as fuck things, too.

Just because an action is scummy doesn't mean the player is. If I thought his actions were scum motivated, then my vote would be there. But I don't.

Yours, however, are pretty obviously scum motivated and you need to die today.

[House]

Obviously it is not. I really do not like it myself either as it looks like he is forcing himself to distance from me for when he flips scum. People would bring this back up so I would potentially be mislynched because of it. Interesting ploy really. I still stand by my vote of Albert B Rampage as being my number one candidate for being scum in this game, though KC and House are providing interesting alternatives.

Because it would be nothing but a simple OMGUS vote toward House at this point, I would reserve moving my vote until later on when I can find a more clear cut reasoning to do so.

Also with that KC slot being vacant currently, I would reserve judgment on that as well until it reactivates.

In other news, would lynching an inactive slot that is likely to be scum due to previous actions in the game be a worthwhile consideration? I only ask this since I have not actually had it come up in a game before that I have been involved in.

Dude, are you coaching your scumbuddy here?

[House]

I mean, after all, I'm voting DeltaWave, so you voting me wouldn't be OMGUS. It'd be a chainsaw.

[House]

Post #155, House basically says anything to do with him is stupid. This is a deflection tactic that scum who do not want attention drawn toward them generally use. Noted for future use.

Positioning yourself to chase after perceived low hanging fruit? Noted for future use.

[House]

Ok fine, you got me. I used the wrong term.

The bolded sentence in my post quoting yours (and the sentence immediate following it) look like you are crosstalking.

[House]

Post #155, House basically says anything to do with him is stupid. This is a deflection tactic that scum who do not want attention drawn toward them generally use. Noted for future use.

Post 155 was made for a reason. I don't see why town would draw attention to it. I do, however, see why scum would pick up on it and try to twist it to rationalize suspicion of me, because it's always easier for scum to get town to do their job for them.

I don't see town posting what I quoted above.

[House]

(Had to go back and read 155 again because it's been a while)

[House]

Y'know what... I'd prefer a freeko lynch, today.

VOTE: freeko

There's a possibility that he may be setting up DeltaWave for a mislynch, or it might actually be crosstalk. Either way, freeko looks much scummier in his own right.

I still think there's a better than average chance that DeltaWave is scum, but he can wait for D2.

[House]

Crosstalking with who exactly?

You have registered a blip on my radar ever since I entered into the game. The simple fact is that you do not have as much going against you compared to others until this point. Very simple to understand this yes?

So if you really feel like voting for me because I got my mafia terms backward, go nuts. Seven years and all being away, excuse me for not remembering all the lingo correctly.

Though you contradict even yourself with what you are saying. I am setting up Deltawave for a mislynch in one sentence, but Deltawave is scum in the very next sentence. So which is it exactly? This looks like you really just floundering about trying to line up your own mislynches. Also of note was how convenient it takes over 1000 posts in the game before you even question something I say.

You would not surprise me in the least when you flip scum.

This post further supports my read because for all his accusations, he still isn't voting me.

Man up and 1v1 me.

[House]

Nice of you to join us SK. You can kill Freeko tonight. Let's lynch A or texcat

You haven't even been around long enough to form reads, what's the basis of this chainsaw?

[House]

Hmm.

Didn't expect that.

[House]

freeko, can you picture any reason a townie would make post 155, or are you certain that is a scummy post?

[House]

UNVOTE: freeko[/v]

Dumb, not scum.

[House]

UNVOTE: freeko

Dumb, not scum.

EBWOP

[House]

I don't think, at this moment, I buy Aneninen being Scum because he's been engaging this game quite a bit. However, I don't have much knowledge of his meta. He is in my Townreads for now.

That's incredibly weak & makes me paranoid of you.

[House]

ika, I did one a while back wo rainbows. I might do another but need to reread since avoiding and not much has changed due to the shenanigans.

Saint, which saint are you? Their usually so tragic.

Also, avatars make it easier to identify you during the police lineup.

Wake, I agree. I put a vote their for Other Reasons.

Do you really come from a site that's dedicated to writing & filled to the brim with grammar nazis? Because... damn.

[House]

I don't think, at this moment, I buy Aneninen being Scum because he's been engaging this game quite a bit. However, I don't have much knowledge of his meta. He is in my Townreads for now.

That's incredibly weak & makes me paranoid of you.

I don't understand this.

I've only read a little of this game, and only once, with few parts of it more than once. I do not have the time to reread this game thread multiple times. If you think it's weak for me to have a Townread on Aneninen this game then please enlighten me as to why and please better inform me on the state of this current game.

I'm not saying townreading Anen is necessarily weak, just your stated reason for doing so.

You keep leaning on your unwillingness to read the entire thread. That's fine. But if you're going to make a declaration of alignment, the least you could do is ISO that person and read the posts & surrounding interactions.

"They're town cuz they post a lot" is terrible logic.

[House]

I don't think, at this moment, I buy Aneninen being Scum because he's been engaging this game quite a bit. However, I don't have much knowledge of his meta. He is in my Townreads for now.

That's incredibly weak & makes me paranoid of you.

I don't understand this.

I've only read a little of this game, and only once, with few parts of it more than once. I do not have the time to reread this game thread multiple times. If you think it's weak for me to have a Townread on Aneninen this game then please enlighten me as to why and please better inform me on the state of this current game.

I'm not saying townreading Anen is necessarily weak, just your stated reason for doing so.

You keep leaning on your unwillingness to read the entire thread. That's fine. But if you're going to make a declaration of alignment, the least you could do is ISO that person and read the posts & surrounding interactions.

"They're town cuz they post a lot" is terrible logic.

But I didn't say that, and if it sounded that way I didn't mean it that way. Aneninen is providing a lot of links and being factual like I tend to be when able to thoroughly engage. I guess I Townread him this game because I'm seeing a bit of my own Towngame in his posts.

Can you see how projecting is flawed logic? Regardless of the read on the player, just because you play a certain way as town doesn't mean that it is a valid tell for someone else.

[House]

(ie, regardless of whether you want to call them scum because that's your scum game, or town because that's your town game)

[House]

Not to mention, you're usually proud of being unable to read, and if you had such an easily fleshed out town game, you wouldn't be.

FoS: Wake

[House]

I agree that quantity is not a town-tell, but I think Wake has clarified with:

and in general I do Townread people more when they provide a lot of thought, logic, and sources.

And I agree.

Look at how many posts were made between his initial "read" of Anen and his "qualifier".

I'd have lent it credence if he had said that in the same post as the read.

[House]

Wake or House would be excellent lynches today. I think we should focus on those two.

Works for me, I hate playing town.

[House]

I know this is mostly non game relevant but I like to get to know folks I play with and that comment struck me as sort of odd given that you will be town around 2-3x as often as you'll be scum on the long term. It also seems counter-intuitive to me for someone to enjoy scum but be apathetic as town. That would quickly result in you being pretty easy to identify when scum came up, as you would be pretty hard pressed to hide your enthusiasm if the gap is so wide.

My alignment preference is not a state secret. It can be found mentioned in a fair number of my games, as well as my GTKAS.

I'm not mislynched much when I'm town because of my apathetic approach (and scum loves my chatic nature), but I'm not lynched all that much as scum either because town is simply too lazy to do their homework.

[House]

chatic = chaotic.

meh.

[House]

VOTE: pisskop

Dude's faking familiarity with me in his attempt to shit talk me.

[House]

^^House's OMGUS^^

^^ Proof pisskop doesn't know my play as much as he tries to pretend.

[House]

VOTE: pisskop

Dude's faking familiarity with me in his attempt to shit talk me.

You literally did this same exact bullshit with me in the beginning of the game

It was scummy then, and it's scummy now.

I don't see your beef about it. if I was townreading him for this bullshit after scumreading you for it, I could see why you'd be pissy, but this?

[House]

caught up
only thing interesting that's happened is House's bizarre vote and unvote of freeko. kiiinda looks like bussing if only because it seems like House was really uncomfortable on freeko.

House are you uncomfortable on freeko?

Depends. Is freeko a guy?

[House]

Yeah.

Then hell yeah I'm uncomfortable on him!

[House]

So under then.

If by under you mean half a world away, yeah I'm cool with that.

[House]

caught up
only thing interesting that's happened is House's bizarre vote and unvote of freeko. kiiinda looks like bussing if only because it seems like House was really uncomfortable on freeko.

House are you uncomfortable on freeko?

Do you disagree?
I've quoted two posts below (the second one I pyramided to show the exchange). The first quote is House making a bad attack on freeko, telling him to 1v1 him. If someone makes a post like this, I expect them to have at least a decent scumread. The second quote is House being into thinking freeko is town. For... pretty much nothing. Anyone can refuse to do work. I feel like House was affecting confidence in his scum read, but as soon as he was pressured by freeko he backed off. Looking at it again when it's not 1am, it looks more like scum vs. town, where House-scum had already decided he wanted to back off before 1520 but was looking for an excuse to do so.

Look at it some more, until your head pops out of your ass.

[House]

Vote: House

Get your vote off me, ABR.

You know better.

[House]

The only point I will give to you Texcat is that I agree that Deltawave is lean town to a far degree.

House, I'm not sure. He and freeko have something going on and I'm trying to figure out if House is orchestrating some of it.

Riiiight, super keen observation.

[House]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

There's a wagon I could get on and ride into the sunset.

If PL's weren't frowned upon, I'd be up for stringing him up every game based on his avatar alone.

But it is, so I'll assume you have some other reason.

Care to share?

[House]

Stop trying to rile Wake.

D1 & D2 tends to be a snooze fest, but cultivating dissension and chaos isn't productive.

[House]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

There's a wagon I could get on and ride into the sunset.

If PL's weren't frowned upon, I'd be up for stringing him up every game based on his avatar alone.

But it is, so I'll assume you have some other reason.

Care to share?

Sure, House:
1. Had an overreaction at least two times in thread
2. Makes really reasonable sounding points at times but not enough of them
3. His wagon confirms some things towards TSO\SW\davesaz slots
4. He used "tumblrwhore" as if it were a negative thing when he wishes

Mostly he should talk more. Voting people does wonders for there talking abilities

Oh, P.S. I hate policy lynches.

1) Okay.
2) Okay.
3) What would his lynch infer towards TWO/SW/davesaz?
4) How is this germane to the topic?

[House]

TSO*

Whatever.

[House]

Does this board have a rule about avatars?

Not that I'm aware of. Having a unique avatar is helpful for other people though. It's very easy to associate posts with people's avatars. Wake and House having similar avatars is a bit frustrating this game, for example.

Anybody that is legitimately frustrated by perceived similarities between our avatars (Wake's and mine) seriously needs to get their eyes checked.

The only similarity is the character in the avatar, but even that is not similar if you're paying any attention at all. And for those who aren't paying attention, let them be frustrated.

[House]

VOTE: Garmr

Spending a lot of time talking about irrelevant minutiae and fluff.

[House]

House, be a dear and vote Flubber who popped in to chit chat with you and then dissipated. I don't want Texcat dead quite yet because it amuses me. And Wake is percepted to be a player to be reckoned with once riled and I suppose we can wait to see how interesting that might be. What do you think?

Did you see the hyper-defensiveness in the post above yours?

I'm happy where I am.

[House]

VOTE: Garmr

Spending a lot of time talking about irrelevant minutiae and fluff.

Even taking out the off topic stuff that in still posted more than you.

Is my vote based on lack of posts?

No.

It's based on lack of content

within

those posts.

Also I'm not the only one who's posted off topic stuff.

Motorist

: But I'm not the only one speeding, officer.

Officer

: Nope, but you are the one I caught.

If you don't know how to have fun house you can go fuck yourself.

Welcome to MafiaScum.

This is a website dedicated to having fun.

Shitting up the thread might be fun for scum, but it's a hindrance to town.

If you want to chatter, take it to general discussion.

[House]

House,

Meh, I pointed you to two flubber over cooked posts. I can get a little crazy as town or have. This game needs a new day. A mass murder would be fun but unfortunately unlikely.

Why are you resistant to flubber/ is this play normal for him? If it were I would be alarmed and unfavorable.

Why are you resistant to Garmr? His response to my vote is scumtastic but you are completely ignoring it.

Look outside your tunnel for a second. If Flubber is scum, he's not the only one.

[House]

i really think garmr is scum and even i think that's bs reasoning.

My vote was based on a passing review of the page I posted it and want particularly serious, as few of my d1 votes ever are (I hop around a lot on d1).

It was Garmr's reaction that convinced me that I made the right decision.

[House]

want = wasn't

[House]

House,

If I were at my computer I would post a Judge y gift. I feel like you're being judge y. This game is meant to be enjoyed.


Day needs to be over soon.

As Nikanor said you're stretching things to a far degree.

You remain silent on other possible leaches.

I am, but you are either misinterpreting or misrepresenting what I am judging. I haven't decided how to view that yet. The sooner you figure it out, the more likely I will view it as a misinterpretation

Also, as town it is our job to be "judgey".

[House]

i really think garmr is scum and even i think that's bs reasoning.

My vote was based on a passing review of the page I posted it and want particularly serious, as few of my d1 votes ever are (I hop around a lot on d1).

It was Garmr's reaction that convinced me that I made the right decision.

So me going wtf to shitty reasoning is scummy. Riiiigghhhhtt.

Is it scummy shitty reasoning ie towny shitty reasoning?

If you say scummy, your post better include a vote.

[House]

ie = or

Damn phone.

[House]

Thats how I feel about flubber popping in after being voted only to discuss his avatar with you rather then his lack of concern over the game.

I haven't even looked at Flubber. I actually avoid found so as much as possible because his avatar is fucking disgusting.

[House]

Found = doing

[House]

Thats how I feel about flubber popping in after being voted only to discuss his avatar with you rather then his lack of concern over the game.

Why would I criticize Flubber for his apathy when I'm apathetic too?

This is the first time I've felt like posting anything besides a null period dodge. Where is your suspicion of me?

[House]

Period =prod

Damn...

[House]

See House, the problem I have is, it's not like there's been a lack of fluff in this game. To use your analogy, it's like an officer arresting a guy for littering at a landfill.
And your 1783 is more of the same stuff I voted you for in the first place, you're trying to act like the only way people can think something is scummy is if they're voting their target, which is mad disingenuous, yo.

And as I've already said, it was Garmr's responses after my vote that made me decide to keep it there. I likely would have hopped off to the next whatever vote if he hadn't raised flags.

And determining whether a player is scummy or towny when they are voting for you is part of the game. If you think someone is scummy but you don't vote them, that read carries zero weight.

[House]

Days on this site are too long. A week at best, 3 days ideally. Claustrophobia emerges otherwise

House, I'm not voting you because you might be fun at some point. You were busy for a bit till the pause.

On the other hand certain players have been consistent in their apathy.

Imagine if a Nikanor and Garmr did all this Bickering as a plot? That would be a fun twist.

Amount of posting is not alignment indicative, or even alignment suggestive, for me. My posting frequency is consistent regardless of my role because I read all my subscribed threads and post. I don't lurk unless it's out of sheer disinterest, regardless of alignment, which is easy enough to verify.

So saying you want to keep me around because I was busy before I went silent is disingenuous.

[House]

i really think garmr is scum and even i think that's bs reasoning.

My vote was based on a passing review of the page I posted it and want particularly serious, as few of my d1 votes ever are (I hop around a lot on d1).

It was Garmr's reaction that convinced me that I made the right decision.

So me going wtf to shitty reasoning is scummy. Riiiigghhhhtt.

Is it scummy shitty reasoning ie towny shitty reasoning?

If you say scummy, your post better include a vote.

If you haven't caught on by now after this many games that I constantly make jabs at you. I view you as idiot so I don't really know.

Lay off the personal attacks.

[House]

elusive, whats your read on house?

is he a scummy scum butt or magical healing town?

Neither. I'm a scummy ass town.

[House]

Sorry I will put in a nicer way. I have judged you as lacking in skill as a player and that's why I make comments like this.

"Things I got" I mean.

I don't know about house through I would normally scum read other people for what his doing but well it's house.

You can find comments like this littered through our games. I think you skill you lack is the ability to see things in more than one way as shown in this post.

i really think garmr is scum and even i think that's bs reasoning.

My vote was based on a passing review of the page I posted it and want particularly serious, as few of my d1 votes ever are (I hop around a lot on d1).

It was Garmr's reaction that convinced me that I made the right decision.

So me going wtf to shitty reasoning is scummy. Riiiigghhhhtt.

Is it scummy shitty reasoning ie towny shitty reasoning?

If you say scummy, your post better include a vote.

My answer to this is neither at the moment as I can see you doing it as both alignments and I'm unsure what you are. The answer to your question is neither of the options you put up. Also your pushing your own behaviors onto with the vote thing onto me I am not you I will react different I play different I have .

Because you lack the ability to think outside black and white and your own behaviors. You end up saying stuff that normal players wouldn't and push on the stupidest stuff while limiting the responses to stuff you can comprehend. This makes it hard to tell if your being genuine or not.

That's putting it in the nicest terms I can think of and explain my low opinion of your game. I could state why my opinion of your character has dropped during this game but the mod has forbidden for me to do so.


@drixx
I have put content through in fact I even put content on the same page house said that -_- I just mix it in with fluff to keep the game fun this is just how I am through all my games.

Was that so hard? That's much more interesting than some sophomoric insult.

Your disapproval of my playstyle notwithstanding, you expect overmuch for D1 of a game. There is jack all worth reading until content worthy of analysis has been created, and all D1 lynches are nothing but shooting in the dark. Putting on airs of scumhunting prowess does nothing to change the fact that there is no trail to the prey when the tracks have yet to be lain.

D1 always winds up in players lynching somebody simply because they do not like their posts, and that is why the vast majority of D1 lynches are mislynches. Scum lies low while town claws each other's eyes out, or scum fakes obvtown in a way that avoids confrontation with the move makers.

So for you to be preaching from on high about my blundering about when there's no fucking light to see anything yet, it just looks to me like you have me pegged as an easy target.

[House]

Unvote, Vote House

House and Flubber are both closer to null than anything for me. But my gut leans say House is slightly more likely to be scum than Flubber so I guess that works.

lol, cool with me.

[House]

Hi, just confirming that we should lynch the SW/ARS slot.

SW's posts are small, and more about taking jabs at people until something sticks.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6624192 426 example
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p6627175 599 wake vote
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6627646 652 Push
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p6627668 660 place out threat

Okay. I find it interesting how long it took to place out. People seem to be throwing around this 'blacklisted' term. I think it needs to be kept in the back of people's minds.
. Soft people are soft. That kind of stuff shouldn't be encouraged, but hardly should be ignored.

For example, SW placed out after her Albert interaction. Which I can see as reasonable. I'll clearly have to look at ABR.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p6630432 849

Thats a lot of stuff we can throw out for the sake of respect for the players involved.
. Pre-conflict I was scumreading SW, however. And I'm of the opinion that ARS will screw up somewhere down the line. He's almost certainly an alt, imo.

Wait, I thought you wanted me dead.

What happened there? Why nudge a different wagon than the one you're on?

[House]

Just stop the bullshittery and lynch me so the game can move forward.

All this diarrhea of the mouth is doing nothing but giving scum plenty of room to maneuver.

[House]

k

VOTE: DeltaWave

Look how OMGUSy I am!

[House]

Either way.

[House]

Please don't listen to ABR and lynch obv town.

VOTE: Texcat

Ok, Drixx let's make this happen. Her flip tells me something about Egg among others.

DeltaWave, are you good with Texcat lynch?

Royal, I think you said you would be as well?

House, Flubber, etc, please on Texcat - it's barely alive, let's put it out of its misery.

Why call on me to help you lynch texcat if you think I'm scum?

[House]

1) is Delta scumreading House?

1864, brainchild.

[House]

I don't know what you are if you have been reading my posts.

Actually I have.

Yeah any of these is fine:

{Texcat, Shiro, Flubber, House, Wake}

[House]

So elusive... why do you want me dead if you don't know what I am?

[House]

Could somebody point out where I defended Wake?

[House]

Your chainsaw vote.

Oh you're going to have to do better than that.

Wake has more than one vote. Did I chainsaw everybody?

Reachy bullshit is reachy.

[House]

I'll hammer Wake to avoid a No Lynch, but I'd rather string up DeltaWave.

[House]

DeltaWave is obvious town.

He's obviously not obvious town.

Your vacuous hard defense of him does him no favors.

[House]

You have no case.

Pot meet kettle.

[House]

You have no case.

Pot meet kettle.

I've been defending Delta since day one. Who do you want a case on?

You've been defending him WITH NO CASE.

"Delta is obvtown" is not a case.

[House]

Vote: texcat.

sorry cutie.

Nice chainsaw. You're too obvious in your defense of your buddy.

Why? Surely you must realize that when Delta flips scum you're up for a date with the gallows shortly after.

[House]

Second verse, same as the first.

Little bit louder and a little bit worse.

VOTE: DeltaWave

[House]

Ouch, make that 5-2. And the game I am watching is 0-0 at the end of 1. Not sure how the Devils are so inept with scoring being in the Av's zone the whole time.

Anyway in all seriousness, I think I want to look at everyone who played the elusive random question game at some point. Only question 3 of course since Drixx lied about that question. Maybe something can be found in how nonchalant some answers to that question are.

Drixx seems to want klingoncelt lynched for any reason possilbe during the drama, so i agree its likely a town slot with his interactions around that vote. Either that or one of the most amazing busses I have ever seen. Drixx making a point for me to make a case against Albert B Rampage makes me sick though. Just sick to the point that I want to instantaneously puke my brains out right here and now. I guess I am going to hold out hope that he is SK at this point as even I cannot possibly consider him to be a mafia member at this point (see WIFOM on best bus ever 2 sentences ago). Though I can certainly see a ragekill potential with how these two interacted.

I could totally see KlingonCelt as a bus, given the drama that was going on at the time.

What scumteam would want to risk being associated with that?

[House]

Fair point, Delta.

VOTE: Wake

Wake, scum reads. Bring it!