NY 192: Game Shop Mafia (Over)

[RadiantCowbells]

There's non alignment related reasons for that though so I'm iffy about it just because I can see him as town pretty easily as well.

[RadiantCowbells]

psst, FA

sign up for blind follower status and vote Zulfy w/ me

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Zulfy FOR ADMITTING I'M AT 50% CHANCE TO BE SCUM LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE

Err

I find it odd he is pushing FA as scum given both you and him have very strong meta with FA.

I'm starting to have my own doubts on that front.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I think we still lynch Zulfy because his scumflip would clear FA anyway.

But if he's town I would definitely want to look back at FA.

[RadiantCowbells]

Please, it was

one

post after.

And this is two days.

Just admit it.

And yeah, PK is sketch.

if he is town , I must be scum?! he has no case against me!
/quote]

If he's town I'll look back at you. I didn't say I'd lynch you.

I'm leaning on that being a scumflip there anyway ?

I'm FUCKING TOWN AND YOU KNOW IT. why are you playing with words?

I'm certainly leaning on you being town, yeah, but I don't know it for 100%.

I'm real good, but I'm not THAT good.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's not no damn reason, it's because apparently we're scumpartners and I told you to act like a derp and then I'd loudly claim a meta townread on you.

Geez, weren't you LISTENING!?!?

And yeah, FA. Reads please

[RadiantCowbells]

But she had the best role model

[RadiantCowbells]

I hate people who NK me.

I really like the scum of this game. We should be friends.

[RadiantCowbells]

So you think I'm scum partner with you?! this is new!

HE HAS NO FLIP INFORMATION and NO READ. and he is finding scum teams here?!

Aren't you my partner? I must have misread night chat D:

HE NEEDS TO DIE. CONSIDER THIS AN OMGUS. IT IS AN OMGUS. AND I REALLY DON'T CARE.

HE FUCKING NEEDS TO DIE.

Wow I'm calling the police FA threatened to kill a man over a mafia game.

about Wicked I think there is a great possibility of him being dave's scum partner based on the posts you already quoted.

Did you read mine?

[RadiantCowbells]

Well your reads on the 3 people we asked you to look at are incredibly generic.

But I'm more interested in lynching Zulfy so.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well, that really affirms my Wicked TR.

[RadiantCowbells]

I don't think that characterizing Zulfy as just lynchbait is fair at all though.

His case didn't make much sense and he blatantly backtracked on half of it when he got under pressure.

I'd expect Newb!Town to double down on whatever their read is, particularly when the case was based on me being scum and I was the main one pressuring it.

Plus, their stance on whether I was definitely scum with her or not was incredibly murky.

[RadiantCowbells]

Well your reads on the 3 people we asked you to look at are incredibly generic.

what does this even mean?! You know I hadn't enough time for active scum hunting in day 1 of this game based on my IRL situation. and your not wanna w8 to see if I will do that later or not?

Am I voting or actively pushing you?

Come on

[RadiantCowbells]

later!

[RadiantCowbells]

I get a strong impression that either FA is scum herself or her wagon is scum led.

[RadiantCowbells]

Reread and I guess I still think she's town.

Zulfy!

[RadiantCowbells]

k cuz read on FA is based entirely on fucking alignment related info.

I'm not fucking defending someone because their my friend and I would never fucking defend someone for being my friend.

I can play the damn game, thanks.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fine.

Whatever.

Jesus fuck.

UNVOTE:

No stahp.

RC cant just go around saying things without evidence.

I gave my evidence.

You've done fuck all on that front.

You know why I think Wicked is town. If you want to lynch him then you must think my points don't apply.

Explain it.

STFU

Youre going to ruin an otherwise pleasant game with me in it.

I really think you might get off on making my winrate lower by fucking me over.

I haven't voted you.

I'm not seriously considering your lynch today.

So I saw a lot of butthurt for me from some people but not a lot logic.

you poor things.

FA/wicked with a side of DarDar Thats were we should be focused. Does anyone have a real thingy of daves iso?

Not touching Wicked.

If you want me to reread JarJar I can do that.

I have words with with you after my town flip whenever it happened in this game.

This assumes that he's town.

Why do you think that?

[RadiantCowbells]

@RC if he is scum he need something better than claiming to know my meta. if he is town, there is not much to talk about. I don't like to waste my time talking with idiots.

Why would this apply AFTER your town flip?

If he's scum and got you lynched simply by claiming to know your meta he doesn't need to know anything else I would think.

[RadiantCowbells]

but honestly none of this really convinces me any more of FA scum.

I still want Zulfy.

[RadiantCowbells]

I have a case.

Why in 1742 were you happy to just sheep my reads and out it blatantly but now you're insisting on making it clear that you're not following me, separate reads, etc.

Seems possible you could have been going for the towncred there, especially with the grandiose hammer.

[RadiantCowbells]

I was talking in general that I'm a separate person. and that I have a similar read list with you in this game and that I think your town is not applying everywhere. if that wasn't obvious

Yeah, but why feel the need to state that.

It's a little odd and doesn't mesh with the way you usually are.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean I GET what you're saying PK. I just question whether she's mafia for it.

I'm aware I have a history of falling for people who play games with minimal overt scumreading, and I'm trying to take that into account but I just don't feel it.

It's not even FA herself that makes me reluctant to vote her, it's the people around her.

[RadiantCowbells]

ok so your not going to consider dave and aero flips to reanalyze him? you feel its useless?

Dave flip made Wicked a hell of a lot more townie imo.

Those associatives strongly suggest that they aren't scum together.

I can't imagine Dave slipping all over the place D1 like he was and being able to pull that off.

I still haven't seen a Wicked case, either.

I pinky promise shes being scum.

Yeah, but where do we go from that?

For all the flak you give me about my game you know I know how to spot em.

I feel like FA is the type of person who is extremely apt to be misread by someone who plays like you.

Sometimes it really just is what it looks like.

But hey, dont take my word for it, look at how shes totally advancing the game and puttign forth deep reads with really good reasonings.

And totally not using emotions to spam the game.
Post by pisskop » Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:19 am

and totally not making shifty hammers after ignoring dave

FA does all of the above as town though.

What's she doing here that's NOT characteristic of her town game, or what's she NOT doing here that IS characteristic of her town game.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean it's definitely possible that she's scum, I'm not denying that.

I just hate the way people went around the wagon and its making me incredibly reluctant to vote her with people like Zulfy pushing it.

[RadiantCowbells]

*facepalm*

I have a girlfriend yo.

[RadiantCowbells]

Im going to lose zero slep killing FA after seeing both versions of her.

Dnt be blind, rc. FA will still like you if you put scumher down.

*facepalm*

I have a girlfriend yo.

[RadiantCowbells]

I think the word crush has been used to refer to our relationship from my perspective at least 5 times this game.

Record straight pls.

[RadiantCowbells]

PK, what's your read on Zulfy?

[RadiantCowbells]

This is painful for me to read.

[RadiantCowbells]

You're not on my lynch list.

My preferred wagon remains Zulfy.

[RadiantCowbells]

I usually don't insult. I'm really careful about that. sorry ...

You insulted me, not PK :\

[RadiantCowbells]

FA, if you were vengeful and got lynched right now who would be your target and why?

[RadiantCowbells]

Why would you want to kill the Miller claim exactly?

[RadiantCowbells]

Why do we need to get rid of the Miller?

[RadiantCowbells]

Not really an easy spot for scum to hide if it's getting policied before MyLo anyway and it paints a giant target on its back.

Where did you hear that, or is it your own thought process?

you want to have a claimed miller with you in lylo?

Besides Frogger, Jestr's the only person I know I want to have with me in LyLo.

So, yeah.

[RadiantCowbells]

Why am I expected to be in LyLo though?

Have you not played enough games with me?

[RadiantCowbells]

Also, consider that claiming Miller at the very beginning of the game means that if there is in fact another miller you're getting autolynched after the CC, so it's a risky gambit for that reason as well.

But why do you feel like the Miller must be lynched?

but I think its to dangerous to have a guilty-cop claimed miller in lylo.

There's a huge difference between someone claiming as Miller at the beginning of D1 and someone saying they're a miller after they get invested.

I'm heavily inclined to trust miller claims based on site meta alone, and Wicked is towny as fuck.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright fine.

The miller shit bugs the heck out of me and I'd expect Town!FA to omgus the shit out of PK and make him her priority target, and the absence of that makes me feel that she isn't as emotionally impacted as she's claiming to be.

VOTE: FA

This flips town I'm probs going to literally cry.

[RadiantCowbells]

TBF, I've been in two games where scum have fakeclaimed miller

Wicked does not strike me as the gambity sort.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Zulfy

Can't do this, sorry.

[RadiantCowbells]

I can't handle this

I'm going to take a break and look at something else and come back.

[RadiantCowbells]

part of me is ok with a FA lynch, the other part of me is worried that this is a town meltdown ala Sakura Hana.

You should totes start a Jester wagon though.

no one is lynching Wicked.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dont try to act like a townie, go right for the emotional appeal.

you need to reevaluate your fucking town meter if your town.

UNVOTE: just because I think I might get banned because of this.

How many times have you seen me selfvote now?

[RadiantCowbells]

That's not what I mean.

How could you think you could be banned when I've done it at least 3 times with you and nothing...

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm really sorry for making you stay in this game.

I wish we were on the same team.

VOTE: FA

[RadiantCowbells]

I hope next time you roll scum you roll scum with me and not against me, and we can lynch some townies :\

[RadiantCowbells]

FA ily no matter what alignment you are <3

[RadiantCowbells]

shut up. if this is how yure going to play I wish youd leave the site.

stop

[RadiantCowbells]

why the fuck is this all about me jesus when did my read become word of god

[RadiantCowbells]

is there an option that doesn't leave me feeling like shit no matter what the flip is

cuz i'll take that one

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm seriously contemplating quitting mafia and this site rn.

[RadiantCowbells]

FA's mom died just before christmas :\

Can I get mod killed please? please

you can't just ask that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Modkilling is the least of the consequences of doing that.

[RadiantCowbells]

You can't just ask to get mod killed though.

That's probably some sort of an offense

[RadiantCowbells]

Honestly don't feel too bad rn anymore.

Leggo.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm honestly past this.

My vote doesn't change.

[RadiantCowbells]

Whats the fun of that? I want them to see my flip.

Please do not make this game personal. It is only a game on a mafia forum. If you are town, play to your WIN-CON. I would hate to see this game ruined by unsportsmanship/anti-town behaviour. Day One was a success, take a step back from defending yourself and start scum-hunting.

FA learned her scum play from me.

I'm incredibly reluctant to assign any value to these AtEs at the moment.

[RadiantCowbells]

The fact that she immediately unvoted when she definitely knows she can't be banned for doing it stands apart from everything else.

I don't think she's town here.

I'm amazed by the lengths she's going here but she's not town.

[RadiantCowbells]

Your mood completely changed when I stopped reacting to your over the top screaming.

I don't think I'll be surprised at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

@Frozen Angel. Here were your reads on Day One.

I'm town reading Dweele and Fro99er so hard atm because of the degree of scum hunting.

RC is likely town. I expected more tunneling , but it wasn't that bad so far.

I have no idea about pisskop and keyser atm. I guess Keyser is scum because of lacking of gif's ! (kidding!) but seriously I think so careful about his posts. He is trying to don't take a serious stand and talk to others from that view.

Can you explain why your read on Dwlee99 has changed from "town reading so hard" to "scum". Please highlight the scum-indicative behaviour/posts.

I've tried this.

Just take my word for it, I've yet to misread her.

[RadiantCowbells]

@FA - you realize pisskop and RC aren't the only people in the game right? Do you really need to freak the fuck out because a few people are pushing your lynch?

Just stop. she's scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Do I get to make a bah post every time you lynch or NK me?

[RadiantCowbells]

I will address your change of read of Frozen Angel in this game later (the timing of Zulfy's case on her is interesting too).

Go ahead.

you townread dinks?

I haven't read him since the flip.

I was townreading him, idk now.

[RadiantCowbells]

When FA flips town (cause she's obvtown) are you gonna try and paint it as me knowing what she was cause I'm scum?

In 1737 me and FA were the townbloc of the town.

Both of us were scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

FA, the only reason I wasn't pushing you since a hell of a lot sooner is that I'd rather continue to play this game with you in it than without.

Since you clearly don't feel the same way, I don't have an issue getting rid of you while I'm still alive to do it.

[RadiantCowbells]

FA, the only reason I wasn't pushing you since a hell of a lot sooner is that I'd rather continue to play this game with you in it than without.

wait, what?

Not sure what you want explained.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah whatever I suck at mafia not playing towards wincon whatever the fuck you want to say go open a ticket.

I'm really not suited for games like this where everyone's getting so personal and I don't even want to fucking play this game anymore.

FA, whatever, you do you. make your choices. I'm actually pretty fucking shocked that you didn't kill me n1 here tbh, though I guess after we killed Davesaz you probs wanted to keep me alive to defend you.

Clearly too much to ask for anything else.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yes Keyser is the partner.

Moving along.

[RadiantCowbells]

like idgi i got daves and i lived n1 and then all this shit just ruins the game

i dont even want to play this game anymore because its basically a huge mess of everyone having all these preconceived of how im supposed to be and i cant make it past d1 ever without dying cuz oh rc scary kill always and when i do i spend half the stupid game arguing about why im not scum because of one stupid game i won half a year ago

everyone can just fuck right off thanks im done with you

[RadiantCowbells]

i quit im fucking done go play mafia without me

[RadiantCowbells]

i'm going to nap for several hours then try to make sense of this again

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm too frustrated with FA and this game rn to think straight about her.

I'm still leaning scum on the slot and I think PK is obvtown.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yo, rc, at the end of yesterday you said you wouldnt touch me with a 10 foot pole, no comment on the people scum reading me? Like atm I dont see any reasons for anyone scum reading me and I think it is bs.

I don't agree with your wagon at all and I think it's developing as a counterwagon to FA here.

[RadiantCowbells]

Zulfy you're fucking braindead if you think I spent half the game calling FA obvtown and then decided to retract their read while a sizable portion of the town TRed her and she had minimal votes as her scumpartner.

FA's probably scum and I've played like an idiot in games with her. whatevs. I'm still town, you can't lynch me, pull your shit together.

I don't even see how you see scum motivation in anything that happened between us today.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm too frustrated with FA and this game rn to think straight about her.

I'm still leaning scum on the slot and I think PK is obvtown.

then you need to talk to me since frozen site quit and I am kind of seeing why as in she replaced out of all of her games mebbe she needed a break or something Idk I am telling you this slot is town. I am confused as to why pple are being so derpy about it they can't all be scum.

I am especially confused about nero cos he isn't even remotely trying to sort me which is why I am leaning scum on him.

I can't

I might just replace out.

[RadiantCowbells]

leave me the fuck alone

[RadiantCowbells]

FA's said and done crazy shit like that as scum before.

Whether she's scum here is beyond me but don't rule it out because she flipped out.

zulfy's being absolutely ridiculous

I'm not rereading, if anyone wants me to respond to something bring it up again

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't know

it depends what FA is

[RadiantCowbells]

I guess they could both be town but something about the wagons suggests that one of the major players

{Dwlee, Zulfy, FA, PK}

is in fact scum, and I'm leaning that it's FA.

[RadiantCowbells]

A bunch of people who I'm townreading (Nero, PK) were early onto the FA wagon and the people who I'm thinking are most likely to be scum outside of that pile (Keyser, etc) were pushing away from the FA wagon.

I'm very wary of the way the wagon went down, as well as some of the uncharacteristic shit that FA did when she was getting wagoned.

Still think she's more likely to be scum than Zulfy, because I have no explanation for why scum!Zulfy decided to make a case for me being scum with someone who is about to flip town; Zulfy really seems to believe that FA will flip scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, but I can't really see PK as scum after yesterday.

I can't see Wicked as scum but I'd be interested in looking at Jar again if Zulfy was scum.

[RadiantCowbells]

Lemme read through the first day again.

I got caught up in the cesspool that the FA shit dragged this game down to and I don't really remember the rest of the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yesterday = irl yesterday = the FA wagon.

I can't see scum being able to pull that off.

[RadiantCowbells]

I want to reread.

I still think that I need to see a FA flip to get traction on anything right now though.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright I'm caught up.

Zulfy's case is full of contradictions and retractions, as I've stated before, and I took the time to review his past games.

His town play in my estimation is way too capable for this to be it.

VOTE: Zulfy

If this is town, we better do FA.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright.

Zulfy or Mollie flips will edit this but here's where I am atm.

Town:
Fro99er
PK
Wicked

Slight TR:
Wake
Dwlee
Nero

Scum
DN
Keyser?
FA
Zulfy

Rest are shades of null.

[RadiantCowbells]

Everyone keeps hassling me to read JJ but I don't want to go through that right now.

I'll lynch anyone in my scum pool today.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nos is town as well, yeah.

[RadiantCowbells]

Actually I forgot about Nos because she's such a townread at this point that I wasn't even thinking about that.

[RadiantCowbells]

Alright.

Zulfy or Mollie flips will edit this but here's where I am atm.

Town:
Fro99er
PK
Wicked

Slight TR:
Wake
Dwlee
Nero

Scum
DN
Keyser?
FA
Zulfy

Rest are shades of null.

Give me my 10 foot pole. :C

I don't think the associatives between Daves and yourself are nearly as incontrovertible as I thought they were.

That said, still think you're town for other reasons.

[RadiantCowbells]

alright that fucking settles it

VOTE: mollie

[RadiantCowbells]

idk what call you have to jump into that slot and be a gigantic douchenozzle to me but im done with you

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm quitting Mollie.

I will NOT play with PK

he is being douchey. but you can ignore him and look at the game objectively I know that you can do this. I am trying to figure out if he is scum or not. leaning scum cos of his reaction to my replace in.

I really wld love to have some1 to bounce reads off of cos I have been trying to do it with you this whole time. I get the paranoia. judge me by what I do.

I am pretty sure I am doing stuff.

What's your read on DN?

Do you have any special feelings on how he expressed support and then retracted it for your lynch?

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm quitting Mollie.

I will NOT play with PK

he is being douchey. but you can ignore him and look at the game objectively I know that you can do this. I am trying to figure out if he is scum or not. leaning scum cos of his reaction to my replace in.

I really wld love to have some1 to bounce reads off of cos I have been trying to do it with you this whole time. I get the paranoia. judge me by what I do.

I am pretty sure I am doing stuff.

What's your read on DN?

Do you have any special feelings on how he expressed support and then retracted it for your lynch?

I'm quitting Mollie.

I will NOT play with PK

he is being douchey. but you can ignore him and look at the game objectively I know that you can do this. I am trying to figure out if he is scum or not. leaning scum cos of his reaction to my replace in.

I really wld love to have some1 to bounce reads off of cos I have been trying to do it with you this whole time. I get the paranoia. judge me by what I do.

I am pretty sure I am doing stuff.

You treated me like shit then asked to bounce reads.

I'm asking.

What do you think of DN and why?

[RadiantCowbells]

since my defense of mollie 300 posts ago, she still hasn't expressed desire to clear the game, so yeah, this slot looking p scummy rn...

This is what I keep coming back to.

Then I get AtE'd

And Jar tells me not to be bad.

And I strong townread Jar despite being on the fence about Mollie.

I just wish Jar, RC, you, and I had our own Mason thread.

Just humor me, why are you 100% positive that Jar is town?

I'm still TRing him but he isn't near the townblock status of Nosferatu.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, I guess.

But Mollie flipping scum would make his decision to townread me heavily for my meta defense on FA a little suspect.

[RadiantCowbells]

979 is pretty ridiculously towny actually.

I likey.

i am just going to say that as a replace in it doesn't really feel like a fair chance and pple are attacking any intel that I gather. like no really, I am gonna flip town.

wtf are you pple doing

why are pple ignoring that pisskop falsify-ied meta

when is is pisskop gonna address this and why are pple ignoring it

DN. READ.

[RadiantCowbells]

I mean, I guess.

But Mollie flipping scum would make his decision to townread me heavily for my meta defense on FA a little suspect.

He basically townread me for defending FA.

That's somewhat odd.

He spent most of D1 coming up with reads to TR her as well.

If mollie flips scum, it can't be PK.

Screw whether or not you think I'm town or not, you think that what happened between me and FA could be scum theatre?

Christ, dude.

blablapiratebla

979 isn't one of your posts. It's one of JarJar's.

What is your (Pirate Mollie's) read on DeathNote.

This isnt' a super complicated concept.

I aske

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm pretty sure Mollie's scumclaimed at this point and is just trying to avoid creating any further associatives since she won't give any reads.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm thinking about it, yeah.

[RadiantCowbells]

Either way, I'm really curious as to what Wake has to say.

You know, I thought that in Numbers mafia too, because Mollie wouldn't give me reads when I asked and asked.

Then she flipped town.

If she's not going to give reads then we can't not lynch her.

I am giving reads holy fucking shit if you pple let him get away with this than omg it won't be cos rc played a good scum game. if he is town then god rest his soul.

THIS IS TIME NUMBER FUCKING FIVE.

DEATH NOTE.

READ.

[RadiantCowbells]

Conclusion: Getting pressured as town gets her flustered and messes w/ her scumhunting. Give her till day 3 and reevaluate.

No one in the history of Mafia has ever given me this priviledge.

[RadiantCowbells]

do I get to brag about my scummy nom?

*flex*

[RadiantCowbells]

Theres nothing left for me but wait out the inevitable stall tactics of people unwilling to lynch their dear Aunt Scummella.



Wait? you has a scummy nom?

Yeah, for 1739.

Though I think I got the body of work nom not the single game.

[RadiantCowbells]

No, that's 184.

But you should +n that.

I convinced them that you couldn't have cop innod.

Hey, I deserve credit for winning literal autoloss in an insanely town sided setup with no partners.

[RadiantCowbells]

I rolled scum EVERY game since then with Ank too, and got him lynched in LyLo EVERY game.

I'm pretty sure he hates my guts by now.

[RadiantCowbells]

Did I threaten to blacklist you in 184?

I know I said a ton of nasty shit to people.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm pretty sure Mollie's scumclaimed at this point and is just trying to avoid creating any further associatives since she won't give any reads.

You know, I thought that in Numbers mafia too, because Mollie wouldn't give me reads when I asked and asked.

Then she flipped town.

just fucking lynch me or sideline it cos I will flip town. ffs froggy wth.

at least I don't have to finish reading the game which is a plus.

Reread.

I was defending you.

wtf is going on with this game

DN read.

[RadiantCowbells]

honestly fuck off mollie if you're town I'm blacklisting you for this.

[RadiantCowbells]

I was looking through the FA associatives a while back and I made some notes.

Lemme find and show you guys.

[RadiantCowbells]

You know there was a point in D1 where I thought Nero could have been bussing FA because of how uncharacteristic her reactions were.

It might be just generally scum weirdness but it's something to look into.

uhm why exactly are you blacklisting me?

Come into the game, antagonize me, refuse to produce content, cry that you got lynched. K.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, I was keeping a log of FA's reactions when the wagon first happened because I suspected that this was some sort of a hard bus planned before the game.

Then the way the wagon turned and she acted townier I moved away from that.

I'm not really feeling it anymore, just reviewing.

[RadiantCowbells]

The D1 one that is.

[RadiantCowbells]

idk why this game is getting me so angsty

I won't blacklist you mollie, and there was no call to say that, sorry.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd ask why.

[RadiantCowbells]

Sure thing boss. don't hurt Mollie slot, ill kill her tonight for you.

SK claim?

[RadiantCowbells]

Be back in a few hours, will figure this out.

[RadiantCowbells]

If he is an SK, it would be wiser to lynch than leash.

The problem with the assumption of him being SK is that there's only been one kill.

Actually I've had a theory for a while that I was killed by scum and the kill was stopped, and that Aero was hit by SK or Vig.

It was based on Scum!Zulfy's bizarre way of speaking to me at the beginning of the day, but it makes sense either way.

Why would scum have killed Aero?

[RadiantCowbells]

Aero was scum as fuck dude.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fine then. SK.

Whatevs.

[RadiantCowbells]

Except for the part where he wasnt?

And he didnt act like it?


I could see how some scumbag thought he was a PR, but scum?

k w/e I'm not having this conversation.

[RadiantCowbells]

But that would mean scum know whether DN is SK or not.

[RadiantCowbells]

Look what I can't fucking understand is how you guys don't realize that if FA was town she'd have been lynched literally eons ago.

Scum would be all over this.

Meanwhile, the only person on the wagon I would really place as scum is Zulfy and he started it.

So, yeah. Plus she wouldn't give reads, isn't posting, pretty sure she's just trying not to give anything away.

[RadiantCowbells]

I've mostly stopped reading at this point because I'm just waiting for the lynch to go through.

I'll consider associatives tomorrow if I live that far.

My biggest one is Keyser atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

Dwlee's read list is weird as fuck.

Explain those.

[RadiantCowbells]

I am wondering where rc and aero are

still think I am the best lynch for today!

I agree with you on Dwlee's vote.

Why do you feel that way?

[RadiantCowbells]

I've literally asked you to explain reads a billion times and you ignore me. I like your vote though, it's solid.


I note that she was acting completely emotionally effected then 180d completely when Fro99er got upset. I'd think that if she was actually town she wouldn't switch those feelings so quickly.

And the way she was calling for herself to be lynched struck me as her wanting to make Fro99er feel better about what she said when he sees the scumflip.

If this was town, the wagon wouldn't have stalled all day. leggo.

[RadiantCowbells]

hey pisskop!

if you are town start thinking who my scumpartners might be. at this point I think you are stubborn town.

PK is obvtown, thanks for that.

[RadiantCowbells]

RC fought like hell for that scum lynch.

This shouldn't clear me. I have no issues bussing people.

If you think that I'm town for anything it should be the FA wagon. If you think I was faking the way I felt about it then you're an idiot.

[RadiantCowbells]

Whatevs, you think I was scum theatreing and both of us got to the point of wanting to quit mafia in the process?

Not happening.

[RadiantCowbells]

I DIDNT SAY YOU THOUGHT THAT

ugh.

[RadiantCowbells]

Fine, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to call you an idiot.

I'm dead p soon anyway so no point in even having this discussion.

[RadiantCowbells]

I'd try to draw this game if I wasn't worried about how AP would feel about that.

This has been complete cancer.

[RadiantCowbells]

This has been complete cancer

This.

I called it on page 5.

I enjoyed D1 tbh.

This game was fun for me until the FA wagon made me feel like complete shit.

this woulda been a great game to get n1ed.

[RadiantCowbells]

They play with their emotions and false standpoints and bad logic, and they use any sign of stopping and they worm their way into your doubt. They use tragidy and they imply whatever they can. They threaten, pretend to replace out, and call people jerks for being blunt.

This isn't fair at all.

PM clearly knows she upset Fro99er and is letting herself get lynched now so he won't feel bad about the shit she said.

I'd be pretty pissed if she were on my team but I can't fault her for having a heart.

[RadiantCowbells]

can I discuss reads with some1 plz?

oh gee.

Too bad no one wanted to discuss reads with you

[RadiantCowbells]

I'm fine with that.

[RadiantCowbells]

UNVOTE: PM

idk

yeah sorry PK but I just don't see this flipping scum rn.

Most of it's just the way FA reacted out of game more than anything but I just don't see this flipping scum rn.

and ftr I did not like pisskop sexualizing my interactions. that is a play towards gender inequality in that you dismissed every interaction I had. I felt tense and self-conscious. good job I guess

I've been thinking about that line forever and I don't think that mollie scum would have either had or falsified a thought process that would lead to that thought being expressed like that.

And yeah, I somewhat feel the same way.

I'm kinda worried that my personal situation with FA has fucked with my judgement but like, I get it, mollie not doing anything, but idk.

Like everything says that I should be lynching this but I just got this gut feeling that it's the wrong move and I know it cuz I keep trying to think through what my reads are gonna be when she flips scum and I really can't get anywhere on that front sorta like I know this is gonna end up flipping town but yea

Can we do like Keyser or Zulfy or something

[RadiantCowbells]

can we like go back to that give Mollie another day thing and see if she starts doing shit

[RadiantCowbells]

Like PK you said that Mollie scum was terrible and she'd hang herself.

If that's the case then she's gonna still be scummy as fuck later in the day or tomorrow and we can deal with her then.

I've read some of PM's town games and I've seen shit like this in a few of them and like she's pissing me off cuz she won't talk and she's calling me scum for no reason but I don't wanna lynch it atm.

[RadiantCowbells]

I actually feel way better about this game now that I'm not voting Mollie anymore.

I'm taking that as confirmation.

Most of it's just the way FA reacted out of game more than anything but I just don't see this flipping scum rn.

so others can see read the blitz thread and note that she replaced out of another game with PK.

[RadiantCowbells]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=550

[RadiantCowbells]

i don't need help sorting anyone in particular.

just read the game and find what you think is important pls

if you need more structure go look at Keyser or DN.

[RadiantCowbells]

hell you have a p big wagon on you.

whose votes do you think could be town, whose are scum, what's up?

[RadiantCowbells]

what do you think of keyser's vote being so sticky while simultaneously talking to me as if I were town?

I don't like it at all and he's my primary scumread atm.

I think that dwlee is lynchbait but he still might be scum if you can possibly wrap your head around that.

Yea, I was feeling him for lynchbait yesterday but now I'm not so sure.
The specific timing of his vote on you was an absolute catastrophe.
There are some things I like in his associatives with Daves though, so idk.

nosferatu is an alt I am pretty sure about this. froggy vetting her like is makes me unsure of froggy but I don't think he wld drag this much emotionalism out so I lean very town on him.

You should read D1. Fro99er is pretty obvtown here. No comment on Nosf. alt status.

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like there was a point on the FA wagon where Keyser was claiming to not support it but making no effort to stop it and throwing in offhanded comments about irrelevant shit when it seemed like it was inevitable then as soon as it slowed down when you got in KS felt the need to vote.

and yea, he's doing a lot of talking to you like you're town. I actually thought he was bussing you when I was scumreading you but idk

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did deathy claim bp yes or no cos that is what I can't move past.

yea I think he's SK atm though cuz he's had some weird ass fucking reactions and apparently claimed that he was gonna shoot wake.

but I am confused with him saying "I won't be nked" cos why does he think this?

I think he meant that more in a fuck this game I want to be out of it but that's not happening than a legitimate "i won't be nked" shpiel.
plus, I'm still alive and everyone knows I'm a fucking magnet so he could even mean it literally considering that me and Nos are both getting killed first unless scum's hunting PRs.

I replaced into a town slot and he vigged me and town lost.

sounds like Thor, yea.

I used to think he was like god but then I played him more and I'm like eh this guy's ok but nothing special.

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I really want to hear from the standing stones cos this checking out and not posting is bullshit. and that is exactly what is going on.

yea cuz I was thinking that you not getting lynched probs meant you were scum but there's so many people passively standing around not rly voting you or pushing scumreads and I'm starting to wonder if scum wants town to push this lynch through then use it as justification to push a ML onto like PK or myself who were on the wagon.

I don't at all like the fact that so many people checked out cuz I'd figure that if you were scum at this point scum would prolly have bussed you by now, particularly considering that you were avoiding giving associatives which would scream to me as scum that it's time to lynch you and pile up towncred.

look at the people like KS who weren't voting while FA was in the slot during the time that it seemed like the lynch was absolutely gonna happen then as soon as you replaced in and momentum started slowing voted (and you're pretty objectively less scummy than FA was) so I don't really understand how KS ended up voting you when he did, especially when he was claiming to TR you for all the time before that.

[RadiantCowbells]

wait, is KS voting you?

[RadiantCowbells]

Nos is obvtown dudette.

why wld you jump to deathy being sk rather than scum?

because he literally claimed SK and in a bizarre fucking way and DN doesn't strike me as the type to do that as a reaction test legitimately.

I see it as more likely him claiming it as scum so that he can claim it's a reaction test and be like HA HA WHY WOULD I DO THAT AS SK LOL

[RadiantCowbells]

ooo that was Nos that voted you.

That actually makes a ton more sense.

I wanna reread RQ.

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah the one where I said you were obvious fucking town and was calling out both scum?

not fun yo.

fking thor.

[RadiantCowbells]

idk you said that Keyser was voting you and I assumed it was true and mixed up some of the votes.

Still p sure he's scum because of the way he's sidelining the wagon here, plus his awful daves associatives.

[RadiantCowbells]

So I'm not liking how he's reacting. I'm just gonna say what I have to say, and you guys can make your minds up as you want.

In post 15 after Dave died he said 'It's at this point that I say screw it and kill you anyways. BP SK, pretty stupid to have a mafia and SK and town all in one right? Bye wake.' That was on Dec 25th. I figured it was a bluff, so I waited to see what was up. So on the 26th he says this: 'You really aren't going to check/reply to this thread are you? Ok then, yeah I am not an SK. I think that would be pretty unfair to pair a Mafia/SK in a hood together. I am going to just assume you are town for now for that reason. I hope you do the same for me.' Last post, on the 29th, he hopes I replace out, but that's not important.

The problem is trying to read this. He could be Town for trying to get some sort of reaction out of me. The only part that does make me question him is when he says he's just going to assume I'm Town because I didn't respond, and that he hopes I do the same for him. I've never played with DeathNote before, so I don't know how this bit from him jives with his meta. If anyone knows him better than I do please help me out here.

[RadiantCowbells]

And look at DN's fucking ISO.

It's literally so much garbage.

[RadiantCowbells]

Also take a look at

So what I like to do when I play this game is quote things I want to respond to as I read up. There was a bit I missed overnight so this was probably going to be a long post.

However, I reach the last page and suddenly lost my desire to care because Mafia is a bullshit game. What's the point of playing if people can just meta read so hard? Like either Aero/Fro99er are both scum or they are both town (most likely the later) but the fact that the can just "townread" each other like that defeats the purpose for me. I can't get back into the meta of this game because I don't know enough of peoples meta.

Fro99er has been acting more and more increasingly textbook scummy until about the breaking point when they town-read each other. A town player getting flustered because he knew another aggressive townie was going to push him, yeah I get that. It's a little bullshit though.


Spoilers below for my "quotes" but don't see a reason to respond to half of those now.

Spoiler:

Page 2.

Also I remembered wrong about davesaz.

Noted.

Sheeping Aero.

Early sheep noted.

Has Aero done something that makes him sheep worthy?

No.

Aeronaut could maybe be considered pro-town now

Explain.

FA could be scum.

Fro99er more likely scum?

things are getting sirious in here.

Why serious?
Number of votes?
The reasons for the votes?

I mean siriously what the hell is this? I ever said Dweele is scum for it?

why are you guys all putting things in my mouth?

and No omgus is no allignment indicative :

VOTE: Nero

I reread this thread and I can't find "why your happy with that vote" it seems you only want to make a fast wagon and get over with it.

Yes, she can.

There's a critical difference in her mentality between her scum and town games that's really easy to sort if you know what you're looking for.

IS it?

Why overreact on something that is not?
How many votes is not serious?
Is there enough solid reasons on your wagon to 'make it a fast wagon and get over with it'?

I never overreacted to something that is not. I didn't even voted him because of OMGUS. It was RVS and I did something to gain intel. (one of my misterious tests!) and some people overreacted to it because they can't see further than their noses!

But Nero in the other hand questioned me about what I did and stated "I feel good about my vote" , well that's not a reason for joining a wagon.

and I said its getting sirious (that means we're out of RVS - lets start a valid conversation)

and I never said there is. I asked for them and he couldn't give me even one.

I feel good about my vote

It's clear death note has never played with me.

RC has though. Why was my entrance bad RC?

btw, who wants to take bets on how long I last?

You scumread him for doing a weird RVS vote without ever having seen him do an RVS vote?

Right. But I was right in that I DIDN'T remember him making an opening like that. I just misremembered I hadn't seen him make an opening at all.

Would scum me really be that lazy on post one?

VOTE: dwlee

VOTE: Fro99er

I don't like that as soon as I say that I'm suspicious of you and another person, you immediately vote the other person.

Aero might actually be scum.

He knows my vote hopping is pretty fucking normal for town!me and has even said so in past games. This time he spins it as me giving into his pressure which is bullshit.

Aero might actually be scum.

He knows my vote hopping is pretty fucking normal for town!me and has even said so in past games. This time he spins it as me giving into his pressure which is bullshit.

link meta

Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512

Aero might actually be scum.

He knows my vote hopping is pretty fucking normal for town!me and has even said so in past games. This time he spins it as me giving into his pressure which is bullshit.

link meta

Sure. Here's the exact post: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p7188512

I was also scum in that game though, which means most of what I said was just BS

No, it wasn't BS. It was true because you were buddying me there.

You know my vote hopping is town. It was in refraction. It was in that game.

Now you're pretending you were saying BS? You know what you said was true there, even if you were scum.

unvote

I'll just come back later and try to figure out who to vote then.

This basically strikes me as scum crying because town are townreading each other.

I have no ability to comprehend how town makes this post.

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He then entirely 180'd his point of view expressed in the post.

It's super clear in this post that he accepts that they're right; he said they're BOTH SCUM or BOTH TOWN and bitches because he can't get back into the meta.

Later, he says instead that he was bitching because he couldn't PUSH them. This is entirely not what he said the first time.

The idea was also suggested by PK which I find fishy as fuck if we see a main faction scum flip by DN.

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Here's the second post.

Thats not what Im asking.

Im saying that if you looked at his other games you'd see things that support your claim or contradict it. Youll be more informed as a result. You dont have to play with somebody to read their games.

Click on his name
Click on his topics
Click on his completed games.
Find out what his alingment was.
Find evidence to support your claim otell us you were wrong.

Its a skill you could learn, and it helps me understand where you are.

This is also frustrating because let's face it, I'm lazy as hell. I don't want to join a game to be forced into learning everyone else past games.

I might just replace out at this point.

Grow a pair. Like, replacing out because of pressure doesn't solve anything. What do you get? Away from people accusing you? Why did you even join the game then?

Too be honest, I see this as an empty threat and more scummy then town.

That's not my point.

DN's post basically assumed that these meta townreads were unviolable confirmed townies. Why would he as town be mad that 2 people mutually confirmed themselves as townies (aka MASONS.)

RC is probably the one person in this game that I can recall playing with in the past and I remember ignoring you a lot. It's cool, people ignore me too. I won't bother trying to convince you of not voting for me because you will probably sheep someone else later on anyways. I will say that Meta is bullshit. I had a scumread on someone and then I realize there is no way in hell I will ever get that read pushed simply because there are players that can Meta "Clear" each other. Fro99er comes off as a player who probably doesn't get lynched day 1 very often if at all.

Aeronaut probably is in the same boat.

Vote: Cow

These PoVs are literally impossible to reconcile.

Yeah, fuck your stupid neighbourhood shit. we're lynching this.

VOTE: DeathNote

[RadiantCowbells]

PK is emotionally impacted by your slot, as was I, and he seems to genuinely believe in his reads.

I don't think he's scum here no matter what.

I'm leaning town on Nero because of some of the posts he made while FA was still in game but yeah, I'm not a fan of his disappearanec from thread.

I don't believe anyone has claimed, besides deathnotes "BP" claim aka excuse for not dying, and the hood is Wake/DN, and had Zulfy in it before.

hi KS, responding rn.

[RadiantCowbells]

he's my primary scumread atm.

It's the first I've heard of it. When did I become your primary scumread? Before or after where you kept flip-flopping over the Frozen Angel/pirate mollie wagon?

I forgot about DeathNote because everyone was being a moron about the neighbourhood thing.
But yeah, you're behind that. Somewhere around when you made that "everybody loses their minds" post and I realized you'd done literally nothing that could be construed as scumhunting today.

and yea, he's doing a lot of talking to you like you're town. I actually thought he was bussing you when I was scumreading you but idk

Where did I say I think/know pirate mollie is town?
How can I be bussing pirate mollie?
I've wanted to give that slot a fair chance, but no where did I claim pirate mollie was town. That slot deserves pressure.

See:

Who has Frozen Angel got "chainsawwy about"?
What do you think Frozen Angel's "endgoal" is?
What part of her "emtional tag" is scum indicative?

Shit like this that you said to PK highly implies that you're townreading or at the very least nullreading her, yeah. Are you denying it?
I don't like how she became a scumread when it got to the point where her lynch might need your vote.

Still p sure he's scum because of the way he's sidelining the wagon here,

All I ask is for someone in that slot to present their reads and not threaten to rulebreak/overreact/tunnel/get mod-killed/want to be lynched. I have been

very clear

about this. I have not town-read that slot since Frozen Angel was sat in that chair. Because of their emotional/defensive dispositions I feel like that slot has not played to its potential, therefore, we risk a miss-lynch if that slot is town. If the slot fails to contribute to the game it will be lynched/replaced. That is why I asked pirate mollie to take a step back from her defence tunnel on pisskop, breathe, and share her reads on

everyone else

.

OK, I guess.

But I'm ehh about how robotic your attitude towards that is.

plus his awful daves associatives.

Please highlight all these awful "associatives".

[/quote]

Follow up post for that.

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Keyser, besides your PK case which is meh and on one of my biggest TRs what are your reads?

Share some instead of asking me to share mine.

[RadiantCowbells]

You made a bunch of posts giving reasons to scumread Davesaz, criticizing his questioning and such, then never voted him and completely forgot about him.

786, 793, 797 all expressed suspicion of Davesaz and then he completely dropped off your radar and you said nothing about him till he got lynched.

I see that dave flipped scum neighbour, do we really think that ap wld put 2 scum in a hood cos I don't think that he wld altho i can see the sk angle in the hood.

omfg can everyone fuckin stop with that.

as a moderator I'd find it downright hilarious to throw 2 scums in a hood with a townie, SK or otherwise.

DN is fucking scum regardless of what neighbourhood he's in.


Pedit: Zulfy was never in the hood.

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Davesaz was the scum who was in the hood.

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Better start comprehending rc, that's a town DN right there.

you literally can't even argue that the positions you took in the two posts can be reconciled.

like if you admitted you changed your mind because you got antsy under pressure we can go from there. you're scumclaiming atm.

I was asking pisskop to look at his own scum-read of Frozen Angel. How are my questions scum-indicative?
Very early in the game, pisskop posted this:

FA was literally asking to be lynched and you were super calm collected asking PK questions about how he felt about the wagon.

If you are LF info from PK to sort you clearly don't have a strong read on FA. I also got a definite impression that she was a TR before this point.

Nice job twisting it so it's directly about your alignment instead of showing your read on FA.

It has truly been a horror show. However, it appear pirate mollie is now looking at the game critically with wider focus.

No shit?

You posting this moves you to scum-lean.
Show me where I was scum-reading/pushing Frozen Angel/pirate mollie's lynch (and why it is "scummy")

Your earlier posts heavily implied that you were townreading her.
When did she become "not a townread"?

Show me where you think I wanted to vote/hammer/push her wagon.

I actually thought you already had. Mixed you up with Nos with the fake hammer shenanigans.

I've tried to show as much patience as possible on her slot.
You are actually describing your own play here - flip-flopping/changing your read on her slot countless times. You realise pirate mollie isn't getting lynched, what do you do, say your #1 scum read is Keysor who could have hammered her anytime he wanted, but then you place an easy vote on 'I'm-a-serial-killer-Death-Town-hehe-or-am-I-hehe?'

I think it's pretty evident by the evolution of my read on her slot before and after the replacement that my read changes are legitimate.
You were literally playing maximum robot mode 0 stance on the biggest wagon passively asking questions and barely following up on them except to vote PK, who is obvtown and certainly not getting lynched today or tomorrow.
Is it an easier vote than sitting and letting PM get lynched?

You realise pirate mollie isn't getting lynched

if she's not getting lynched, she's not getting lynched because of me.

Where the f**k is your vote on me?! "Primary scumread" my arse

I don't think there's a chance in hell I unvote DN for the rest of this game, yeah. Literally 180ing your PoV because someone else suggested a different possibility that makes no sense is not town aligned.

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I mean if I'm scum here I'm either

1) sticking my neck out super hard for my partner who is at L-1 asking to be lynched and whose scumflip doesn't come close to pointing to me.
or
2) sticking my neck out super hard for a random townie who is at L-1 asking to be lynched while I'm already generally townread and personal problems between myself and the slot's previous owner basically give me immunity to being scumread for the vote.

Which do you think is the case?

"You made a bunch of posts giving reasons to scumread Davesaz" YES. That's scum-hunting.

Yeah, that's good. You didn't follow up though.

"completely forgot about him" NO. He was one of my "primary scum reads" / frustrations.

And you didn't mention him much at all for the rest of the day?

"786, 793, 797 all expressed suspicion of Davesaz" YES. That's scum-hunting.

Yeah, that's good. You didn't follow up though.

"completely dropped off your radar" NO. Still on my radar, but I believe in widening your focus to all the players. What if I had tunneled him and he flipped town? It is tactically wrong.

Yeah well he didn't flip town and you did fuck all to get him lynched despite you 'scumreading him'.

"you said nothing about him till he got lynched" NO. I was engaged before his lynch. Sharing my reads/case with fro99er.

Link me this. I'm too lazy to ISO dig any more tonight.

But I recall from the read that you said nothing more about Daves after 797.

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Oh and don't fucking spin my DN read as anything to do with his SK claim.

I've wanted that slot lynched from the first few fucking pages.

[RadiantCowbells]

You should read the beginning of the day where I cased him based on his Daves associatives and then PK and others basically told me to go fuck myself.

[RadiantCowbells]

Oh and don't fucking spin my DN read as anything to do with his SK claim.

I've wanted that slot lynched from the first few fucking pages.

I don't understand why you don't think he might possibly be grpscum

I DO BUT WHEN I TRY TO PUSH THAT SHIT EVERYONE FUCKING JERKS ME OFF.

[RadiantCowbells]

What is wrong with my vote on pisskop, do you town-read him?

Why would townreading him be the first reason you have to suggest that she'd have a problem with your vote?

I am indeed "cherry-picking" the points I have problems with. Where are the rest of your reads? There are over 100 pages to look at

I can agree with this but she could use more time to read.

"I will pursue it cos I think alts are shitty" - so a "shitty alt" is scum-indicative? If he is an alt, why can't he be town-Nosferatu? I am sadly not seeing how "alts are shitty" is helping you find out his alignment.

Did she say it is?

RN KS's questions to Pirate are fucking awful and they seem like they're meant just to leave a paper trail for an eventual vote.

They're absolutely terrible and hardly seem alignment indicative at all.

[RadiantCowbells]

Like these questions are so fucking leading that it blows my mind.

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"I will pursue it cos I think alts are shitty" - so a "shitty alt" is scum-indicative? If he is an alt, why can't he be town-Nosferatu? I am sadly not seeing how "alts are shitty" is helping you find out his alignment.

LIKE HOW ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DONT REALIZE THAT SHES NOT SAYING PEOPLE ARE SCUMMY FOR BEING ON ALTS

HOW DOES THAT CONCLUSION EVEN MAKE AN IOTA OF FUCKING SENSE

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K, first scummy thing I'm seeing from mollie is the fake responses to the fakehammers

FOSING THE FUCKING SHIT OUT OF THIS

in the only game jar jar and have played together I kept thinking I was hammered it was plot's game ad froggy was in that.

VOTE: pisskop

K, first scummy thing I'm seeing from mollie is the fake responses to the fakehammers

lol actually I'm pretty sure this exact same thing happened in numbers I said almost the same thing.

hmm

[RadiantCowbells]

Wait, why'd you vote PK?

[RadiantCowbells]

"I will pursue it cos I think alts are shitty" - so a "shitty alt" is scum-indicative? If he is an alt, why can't he be town-Nosferatu? I am sadly not seeing how "alts are shitty" is helping you find out his alignment.

LIKE HOW ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU DONT REALIZE THAT SHES NOT SAYING PEOPLE ARE SCUMMY FOR BEING ON ALTS

HOW DOES THAT CONCLUSION EVEN MAKE AN IOTA OF FUCKING SENSE

plz plz be town

You ever get the feeling whenever you agree with someone in a game that they're probably scum because town are always retarded?

[RadiantCowbells]

If she scum-reads pisskop, why the f**k would she have a problem with my vote sat on his slot? It is logical to conclude if mollie scum-reads pisskop, she would not attack my vote/read of pisskop.

But your case on PK is objectively shit, so even if I scumread PK I'd still hate your vote.

[RadiantCowbells]

Welp no one wants to interact.

how about you asked question s of pple and shoulder some of that responsibility?

are you interested in voting Keyser or DN with me, or do you have any other candidates that you'd like to push?

[RadiantCowbells]

Mollie...besides PK who do you want to lynch?

For the record I am NEVER lynching Nos this game.

I already said I am trusting you on nos.

dwlee's and pisskop's interaction looks weird but I dunno. I really didn't like dwlee's opportunistic jump on my wagon w/o a decent explanation. I cld settle for him but I am not moving from pisskop.

and goddamn froggy, we just finished a game where scum falsified meta I wanted molla lynched but 3 dice started being really cheeky and shiny

urgh can you please not try to push PK

this is just how PK is he frustrates the shit out of me as well but I'm like dead certain that he's town here.

he's being a dick but he's being an dick in a way that suggests that he's fully convinced you're gonna flip scum, that's why he's not taking your objections at all seriously. if he was scum I'm p sure he'd make an effort to discredit your objections instead of just letting them stand, plus he did some townie shit earlier and I'm just not seeing a scum flip coming from him.

plus the way he tried to get me on the wagon on FA in the first place felt really towny.

[RadiantCowbells]

no like this is fucking obnoxious because i literally guarantee you that like one of you two are gonna get lynched and then I die tonight and the other gets lynched tomorrow and we basically handed scum 2 the win after a perfect d1 cuz this town is so fucking briandead.

you're both town, I called FA scum which you don't seem to believe and that's not the only time. I'm not feeling it so much anymore and Mollie's thoughts seem really genuine in some of her posts. unvote each other pls

[RadiantCowbells]

I just finished my Newbie 1664 game, so I like to direct anyone still unsure but willing to read to it.

FA is superscums.

I played the fucking game okay, and I had pmed you before the night had ended that I was pretty fucking positive that FA was the scum.

I can read her, contrary to your assertions.

She could have been scum, could have been town, I'd be ok lynching FA with what we had to go on. PM has been town as fuck and you need to reread the game after the replace.

[RadiantCowbells]

Town mollie is capable of rational discussion. Town mollie reads. Town mollie doesnt shit over friends.

Did you read the part where she got upset and asked to be lynched because Fro99er overreacted?

Why are you being like this dude.

Pretty sure you just have a personal problem with FA here and are taking it out on Mollie and the game.

[RadiantCowbells]

VOTE: Pisskop

Pedit: no town Mollie behaved exactly like this in numbers. Jar Jar was there too.

FUCKING DONT DO THIS SHIT NOW

[RadiantCowbells]

k you want to vote PK?

Give me like one fucking reason that makes any sense that PK could be scum

case now and I will fucking destroy it

[RadiantCowbells]

I will literally hammer PK right this fucking moment if no one unvotes.

[RadiantCowbells]

Nos.

Who are we lynching today?

Top 3. Go!

Mollie
DN
Dwlee

Oh god people are just going to lynch pk just for being a dick. This is why we can't have nice things.

PLS VOTE DN WITH ME

PLS.

[RadiantCowbells]

pk can you jam a cactus up your ass because if scum have daytalk right now they are literally singing praises to how easy you have made this game for them.

get the fuck off mollie and vote DN

[RadiantCowbells]

I pmed ap and told him that I can't do this. I am going to replace out.

it is really shitty that I am getting bullied of a game but whatever.

I think froggy is town, jar jar is town and rc. I have a light town lean on deathy it is weak tho. nero is avoiding the game like the plague and I am telling you that is his scum meta. I have seen dwlee play like this before as town but he still looks scummy to me I just haven't seen his scum game it is mostly a gut scumread but eh sometimes my gut eats bad pizza.

sorry it isn't much but I have only been in the game for 2 IRL days.

please fucking don't

[RadiantCowbells]

If mollie actually replaces out, I'll be fine hopping on the DN train.

why the fuck should mollie replace out because PK can't control his nonsense tunnel

[RadiantCowbells]

RC. Why hasnt mollie read the game or done anything that we can logically analyse?

she has?

did you read anything she said to me last night?

[RadiantCowbells]

Mollie...besides PK who do you want to lynch?

For the record I am NEVER lynching Nos this game.

I already said I am trusting you on nos.

dwlee's and pisskop's interaction looks weird but I dunno. I really didn't like dwlee's opportunistic jump on my wagon w/o a decent explanation. I cld settle for him but I am not moving from pisskop.

and goddamn froggy, we just finished a game where scum falsified meta I wanted molla lynched but 3 dice started being really cheeky and shiny

I pmed ap cos this shit needs to stop.

and deathtunneling is NOT trying to sort the game it is the direct opposite of that.

I don't give a shit if I have to eat a ban pisskop's sexism is not okay and I am not putting up with it.

sexist bullshit deathtunnel

Okay. Lets see my sexism. Go.

every single time you sexualized my interactions with other players

the implication is that "they are townreading you cos of a sex thing" and not because they have a brain between their ears or think I have one. you are dismissing their attempt to read me you are fucking insulting me and them.

Oh and don't fucking spin my DN read as anything to do with his SK claim.

I've wanted that slot lynched from the first few fucking pages.

I don't understand why you don't think he might possibly be grpscum

rc, deathy is alluding to the fact that when I am town I am town and it is at IC levels. like I am obvs town right now and he knows it.

I don't like the jump to him being an sk or a second scumteam its like the implication is that he isn't grpscum and I am not sure why you wld think that.

keyser, rc I think there is a chance that you both might town. can you back off from each other plz.

how the fuck are nero and pisskop not lynched already like wth

Nah, Im talking to nero but not about nero.

FA is fairly obvious scum. We'll know if she is scum because she gets chainsawwy about partners and talks like she knows her endgoal and plays emtional tag.

pisskop where have you played with frozen and she was scum?

can you link the game?

It also does is no good for Dave to out DN's BP even if DN is third party/second scum because we figure that out pretty quickly and easily anyway.

why wld he have to be indie or second are you hinting that this is multiball?

it also reads like you were softclaiming bp which wld mean you wld be ccing deathy, why did you not do this earlier? unless you have another reason to think that you wldn't be nked?

@ rc, jar jar and froggy

okay I read p42 and do pple think that dwlee was bussing yes or no

I see that dave flipped scum neighbour, do we really think that ap wld put 2 scum in a hood cos I don't think that he wld altho i can see the sk angle in the hood.

who are the pple in the hood

eta: is zulfy no longer in the hood

nero voting me and avoiding the game is probs the scumread I have on my wagon.

like red alarm bells

eta: okay rc I feel like pisskop did the same thing when I replaced in. I see where you are going with this.

what claims are in place? who all is the hood?

Nos is obvtown dudette.

why wld you jump to deathy being sk rather than scum?

because he literally claimed SK and in a bizarre fucking way and DN doesn't strike me as the type to do that as a reaction test legitimately.

I see it as more likely him claiming it as scum so that he can claim it's a reaction test and be like HA HA WHY WOULD I DO THAT AS SK LOL

can you plz point me to the post where he claimed sk plz?

Vote Count 2.13

pirate mollie (5) - pisskop, Nero Cain, Zulfy, RadiantCowbells, Dwlee99
pisskop (3) - Wickedestjr, Keyser Söze, pirate mollie
Dwlee99 (1) - JarJarDrinks
TheCow (1) - DeathNote
Zulfy (1) - Fro99er

Not voting (3) - Nosferatu, Wake88, TheCow


With 14 alive, it takes 8 votes to lynch!



(expired on 2016-01-18 23:59:59)

this was the last vc.

I think i am getting keyser and nosferatu confused. cos nosferatu did vote me and I am not sure why cos he never said.

and rc you were in that game with thorella

did deathy claim bp yes or no cos that is what I can't move past.

yea I think he's SK atm though cuz he's had some weird ass fucking reactions and apparently claimed that he was gonna shoot wake.

but I am confused with him saying "I won't be nked" cos why does he think this?

I think he meant that more in a fuck this game I want to be out of it but that's not happening than a legitimate "i won't be nked" shpiel.
plus, I'm still alive and everyone knows I'm a fucking magnet so he could even mean it literally considering that me and Nos are both getting killed first unless scum's hunting PRs.

I replaced into a town slot and he vigged me and town lost.

sounds like Thor, yea.

I used to think he was like god but then I played him more and I'm like eh this guy's ok but nothing special.

why wld you jump to deathy being sk rather than scum?

I thought that you were sus of nosferatu so why do you think that you or him wld be nked?

like there was a point on the FA wagon where Keyser was claiming to not support it but making no effort to stop it and throwing in offhanded comments about irrelevant shit when it seemed like it was inevitable then as soon as it slowed down when you got in KS felt the need to vote.

and yea, he's doing a lot of talking to you like you're town. I actually thought he was bussing you when I was scumreading you but idk

god I am not freaking scum I am town and i am going to call you thorella to remind of a game where I replaced into a town slot and he vigged me and town lost.

can we plz not do that here.

what do you think of keyser's vote being so sticky while simultaneously talking to me as if I were town?

I don't like it at all and he's my primary scumread atm.

I think that dwlee is lynchbait but he still might be scum if you can possibly wrap your head around that.

Yea, I was feeling him for lynchbait yesterday but now I'm not so sure.
The specific timing of his vote on you was an absolute catastrophe.
There are some things I like in his associatives with Daves though, so idk.

nosferatu is an alt I am pretty sure about this. froggy vetting her like is makes me unsure of froggy but I don't think he wld drag this much emotionalism out so I lean very town on him.

You should read D1. Fro99er is pretty obvtown here. No comment on Nosf. alt status.

then what is he doing rc I don't understand. I lean town on him too I am telling you he wld not use this level of emotionalism against me if he wasn't. at least I don't think. but I am confused with him saying "I won't be nked" cos why does he think this? and no I am not role fishing here did deathy claim bp yes or no cos that is what I can't move past.

hell you have a p big wagon on you.

whose votes do you think could be town, whose are scum, what's up?

what do you think of keyser's vote being so sticky while simultaneously talking to me as if I were town?

I think that dwlee is lynchbait but he still might be scum if you can possibly wrap your head around that.

nosferatu is an alt I am pretty sure about this. froggy vetting her like is makes me unsure of froggy but I don't think he wld drag this much emotionalism out so I lean very town on him.

guys I am town but I am okay with getting mislynched. what makes me sad is that jar jar has never seen a decent town game from me it is lynch lynch lynch and it is hard to play on the defense. I am trying tho.

[RadiantCowbells]

and also by implying that PM is using the fact that she's a girl to elicit sympathy to keep herself alive you're being incredibly sexist and demeaning.

glad you stopped with that but fyi, and you were also going down that road with myself and FA.

[RadiantCowbells]

and also by implying that PM is using the fact that she's a girl to elicit sympathy to keep herself alive you're being incredibly sexist and demeaning.

glad you stopped with that but fyi, and you were also going down that road with myself and FA.

scum wouldn't have thought of it in this way tho

I'm not sure that scum!mollie would have actually given a shit about these accusations in this context, and if she decided to fake it she probably wouldn't have been able to do it in such a genuine way. it would have been way more offhanded or like way more accusatory

Thats nothing more than what I did to you in that newbie game. The one where I talked to you after you were hammered and gave a bunch of 'genuine' reads and feelings?

you were obvscum and i called you obvscum.

PM is not obvscum.

[RadiantCowbells]

K cuz here's the fucking thing.

and ftr I did not like pisskop sexualizing my interactions. that is a play towards gender inequality in that you dismissed every interaction I had. I felt tense and self-conscious. good job I guess.

this did not come from scum; end story.

[RadiantCowbells]

jarjar, i really didnt have you pegged as this whipped.

This took me 5 seconds.

more?

[RadiantCowbells]

Don't even pretend that the phrase implicated isn't "pussy whipped."

[RadiantCowbells]

Yeah, that's not how that expression works.

Should I dig for more?

[RadiantCowbells]

I changed my avatar to a girl to avoid getting lynched in my first game. In fact I did it again in a recent game.

This is nonsense.

I've had an Annie avi forever and I get N1ed every single game.

[RadiantCowbells]

It's still nonsense.

I call nonsense nonsense no matter who its from?

[RadiantCowbells]

It wasn't the cause of your push but much of the vocab was heavily influenced by the gender.

I shall take this time to make another massive quote wall.

[RadiantCowbells]

Im going to lose zero slep killing FA after seeing both versions of her.

Dnt be blind, rc. FA will still like you if you put scumher down.

So many feels and horomones.

RC, i think you have an MS girlfriend now.


oo.. rc


pedit: I have no clue, but the video spam makes me not care about him. Im defering judgement for now.

We arent all ganging up on me.

Mollie has placed in.

In that time she has

-Said I faked some kind of scum meta on her based on something I said to frogger (which is a social thing, hardly alignment indicative even if I did lie)
-Promoised to read after 'assessing the enviornment'
-Pushed on me for being unwilling to unvote her

You want her to have time, thats great. Scum will still be scum.


You want to talk with me you need to stop dickriding mollie and take this one step at a time.

She's choosing right now to try to turn a point of how impulsive players can be into a push.

Shes not reading, or 'getting a feel', she's just sitting here.

How much time is fair to give Mollie to catch up, btw?

Its not even close to being a townslot.

I get that you have this loyalty to her; its reall sweet and all. But look. The evidence is smacking you in the face.

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