New York 196: My Game, My Flavor Mafia (Mafia Win)

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I had the feeling Vedith was trolling when he got hammered and I don't have the same feeling now.

I don't usually.

I have before.

Since, I'm town, I'd normally throw a lot of eefort into final reads.

But we know those will not be re-read.

Besides, scum has been literally throwing themselves at the thread. You guys should be able to figure it out.

Plus, I'm leaving for the coast tomorrow!!

You have my attention.

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Good night everyone.

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wait one more question
lets say day 2 ended in a mirhawk lynch and mirhawk was indeed an even night doctor
would the nurse take mirhawk's place then? or is the nurse a stand by for the full doctor only?

Good morning.

Something doesn't add up here. I think Mirhawk lied. Possibly Almost50 too.

VOTE: Mirhawk

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Saving podoboq makes around zero sense.

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Transcend, you lost about every ounce of credibility when you hammered town doctor.

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So our

doc

protected Macho

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Wake claiming bomb yesterday makes no sense, why would you do that?

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Oh, I'm a nurse now, by the way.

How?

Titus wasn't a Nurse.

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I would be fine with a Titus, Boem, or Dunnstral lynch today, with emphasis on the two former.

As with the Mirhawk wagon I don't feel confident in or trust the PV wagon, because again I'm seeing little to no resistance to it. Neither are going to get my support.

To be honest with you shannon I don't feel Varsoon's crumb was obvious: the post never pinged my gut.

Dunn, if you have another shot, please vig wake.

Why?

Because we disagree and you're mad about it?

If I flip it'll validate every single thing I say, in that people will know I was honest about everything I said in trying to figure out this game.

Besides that, my ability would also kill whoever tries to kill me at Night, so good luck with that.

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I see about zero town motivation for claiming bomb.

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Dunnstral claimed 1-shot vig if I remember correctly.

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Also standard terminology on MS afaik is bomb = only goes off on killing actions, pgo (paranoid gun owner) = goes off on all actions.

This is the first time I heard about pgo, I thought he was talking about bomb.

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Does he still get a shot if he gets roleblocked tho

If he is 1-shot and he used that shot on Lapsa as he claimed, then what difference does it make?

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Didn't a50 jailkeep dunn?

Who the fuck knows anymore

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We need all PR's (who claimed) to say their N1 and N2 actions.

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Fuck, PeregrineV shouldn't have been lynched yesterday. fuck fuck fuck stupid fuck

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I'm considering that the scum killed Titus to frame Wake, but Wake is making that really easy with horrible reads and his claim is ridiculous.

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In that case he probably never should have said it. Which means he shitting us. I don't think it was a serious claim.

I protected Titus night one.

It was a toss up between her and wake.

Didn't you say you were even-night doctor?

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If Mirhawk flips scum, I think implosion is almost certainly town for that reaction.

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Jesus Christ.



I think I care not to.

Totally suckered me in.

I think we can speak in absolutes from now on

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if mirhawk is scum then almost50 is conftown

Why?

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If Dunnstral is town (very likely), Wake's yesterday lynchpool consisted of 3 town players (Titus, Dunnstral and me).

I'll have to ISO Airick10 before too long.

Currently I'm thinking:
POE: { Mirhawk, Wake }
Possibilities: { Airick10 }

Brace yourselves, lolcats are coming.

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I mean, you've caught me (cleverly) in your trap.

I'm a one shot lynch proof serial killer.

This is interesting. Maybe we have more than one serial killers in the game?

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Wait, Mirhawk if you are serial killer whom did you kill N1 and N2? I thought serial killers well ... kill at night?

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well n1 there was only one death so he obviously killed peregrine's protection target OH WAIT

is it possible mafia and sk targeted lapsa?
i think mirhawk is just BSing

someone explain this to me my head hurts and i cant be bothered to do mental gymnastics rn

Targeting the same player as mafia/vig did two times in a row is highly unlikely.

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By the way, I guarantee you guys that Wake is scum.

Remember I was talking about wake soft defending mirhawk all game? yep

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Why did you jailkeep kraska?

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Almost50, you didn't answer my question. Why did you jailkeep kraska? Walk me through your thought process.

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anyways since i looked shady as f-ck and i'm out of actions i'm going to go ahead and roleclaim 2-shot motion detector

N1 I chose Varsoon because I had no idea about him and someone visited him

N2 I chose Dunn because I wanted to see if anyone visited him, I didn't expect him to actually visit then

I got him visiting someone.

So uh there's that.

A Motion Detector is considered Normal on mafiascum.net.

A Motion Detector should receive the same result if they see an action being performed by their target as they would if they see an action being performed on their target (and the same if they see both)

. If their target is Ascetic or targeted by a Rolestopper, they should receive a "No Result" pm, the same as if they'd been blocked themselves. A Motion Detector would not see a Ninja performing a kill.

Double scumslip would be hilarious.

So Motion Detector just detects motion? He receives only yes/no results?

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Transcend, what results you received exactly?

From mafiascum wiki: The Motion Detector learns if any actions were performed by or on a player, but not what they were, or who else was involved.

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md is also able to be used by both alignments.

so even if i'm scum, i'm scum motion detector since i did in fact confirm that dunn visited someone when he was perceived out of actions

. you're overanalyzing the shit out of this.

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precisely

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FUCKING HELL YOU GUYS ARE SO FUCKING DENSE

big words for someone who hammered town doc

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Is posting exact mod message (actions) in gamethread allowed?

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Transcend, I'm sorry for your shitty day at work but calm down. We just want some clarification here.

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Turning off CapsLk is also something I'd like you to do.

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you guys are just paranoid atm
agar and wake and probably airick are the remaining scum

That team composition makes sense.

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Shit, I don't want to angleshoot the mod but this is a hairy situation. Anyway, Transcend isn't going today so idk ...

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Does anyone have meta with the motion detector role? Because I've never heard of the role until I got the role pm lol.

This is the first time I've heard of it.

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Which mafia role would visit Varsoon? Mafia neapolitan would make sense, but with Vedith gone that's out of the table.

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Mafia roleblocker also makes sense.

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Maybe Varsoon was visited by mafia motion detector

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Transcend you're never a lynch as long as Mirhawk is alive.

I'll try to find other games with motion detector to see how that role works, maybe we're wrong.


Wise man said a long time ago:

Leave no stone unturned.

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Stop with angleshooting, I don't want you modkilled if you are town. Maybe the mod didn't mess up.

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Games are hard to find, seems like it's not a very common role.

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Zulfy is motion detector in this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=63716

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From Zulfy:

Night 1: Investigated Keyser Soze. Saw him move.
Hmm
Day 1, Cop and Follower are dead.
Me: If cop died last night, that must mean Keyser must have moved (wrong), I doubt there's any more power roles, so he's probably scum.
So I go after him.

Night 2: Investigated Aristophanes. Saw him not move at all.
Hey, wait a minute. Maybe Cop moved before he was killed. Maybe Trivium investigated Keyser and was then killed (right)
Now, coming into Day 3, it seems like everyone is town-reading me. Not good. Not good because I don't want scum to be lynching me. Haven't had a definitive result yet.

I'll play like a dumbass.
I'll make an incoherent case on Toolenduso.
Scum will see me as incompetent and let me live.
Turns out Performer is neighborizer, hot damn.

Night 3: Investigate Angry Pidgeon. He moves.
No, there's definitely no power roles left.
1 for 1, with 1 scum left for them to find.

Angry killed Performer.

I claim Motion Detector

I'll try to find a few more

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I can't find more games with motion detector

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We don't need more games with a motion detector

OK.

Can you elaborate more on Zach theory? What do you think about Airick10?

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Zach seemed pretty fine to me so far.

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Remind me - where did Wake scum claim?

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Besides being too crappy for town.

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Hey... I'ma be that guy that says we've hit 200 pages.

Where useful content could be condensed into about possibly 43 pages.

But I'm the one who started a hangman game in the game so I don't really care lol.

I guess that's why it's called mafia and not chess

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Based on wagonomics, Wake should be scum. He didn't vote Vedith D1. He never voted Mirhawk during D2 and he was trying to push me and finally ended voting PeregrineV who was an easy mislynch.

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Votecount during the glorious Mirhawk wagon D2:

kraska77 (2): AGar, Zackstralkita
implosion (2): beeboy, Varsoon

Mirhawk

(8): implosion,

PeregrineV

,

Boem_u_dusi

,

Titus

, Dunnstral, kraska77, Airick10, shannon
Dunnstral (1):

Mirhawk

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(3): Wake88, podoboq, Transcend

PeregrineV

(1): Almost50

I painted myself green, for those who don't like it gfy - I'm obvious town here.

This votecount makes me think shannon is also town, putting your teammate at L-1 is risky.
Airick10's vote is less risky because they can always agree that Mirhawk claims something after which wagon probably disappears.
kraska77 switched from me (I think) to Mirhawk so I have reasons to believe she's also town.
I don't like how AGar just parked vote on kraska77 and that was almost all of his contribution D2.
Podoboq voted Titus later, who flipped town.

Notice how my wagon looks so pure

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I honestly had early doubts about Wake but for most of D1 and D2 I had him as solid town. But his D3 thus far has been awful.

Speaking of awful D3

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Claims from memory:

Boem_u_dusi : VT
Dunnstral: 2-shot vig
Mirhawk: BP scum
Almost50: jailkeeper
Varsoon: nurse
Transcend: motion detector
Wake: bomb or paranoid gun owner, not sure (it's probably bullshit anyway)
podoboq: macho
beeboy: miller
AGar: asshole

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Just kidding AGar, don't take it personally

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I think I'm not 100% buying that podoboq macho claim. 2 machos? Hmm.

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That's a problem we can worry about later. Plus-- with Wake!Scum do you think Podo!Scum would confront Wake!Scum the way he did d1?

I'm just entertaining few thoughts. You have a point there.

@everyone: I suggest ending this day earlier, I see no point in stalling for too long and game thread is bloated enough already. Say what you have to say, let's all agree on some strategy if possible and that's it. 3-4-5 RL days should be enough.

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I think Mirhawk is at 6 votes so he's at L-2. 15 players left, 8 to lynch.

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Why wouldn't Scum take out Mirhawk?

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Can I do the L-1 without saying anything thing again?

Count before L-1 please.

Your EOD votes are 2/2 scum, nice record. Keep it that way.

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Dunnstral is Mr. Hammer 2016

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i was lyncher on mirhawk i can finally exit this toxic piece of sh** game

Huh?

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I thought people would say I'm anti-town when I was suggesting ending the day earlier in 4995, but I guess not

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Dunnstral is clearly wrong. As is IMPLOSION

I'd prefer an Airick10 wagon to sickofit

Why?

Well, V/LA is the perfect " NOT GET LYNCHED" card. I also kind of feel like he should have tried to post more if he knew he was going to be VLA the next few days. Not that there was too much info to go off of, but yeah.

Found it

That looks a bit fishy, but it could also be just a single bad post.

Why are you scumreading AGar? I am relegating him from my town reads for sure. I'm upgrading implosion to my town reads.

AGar could have been trying to deflect from Mirhawk wagon by tunneling you in 3105 and he really has atrocious reads in this game. In 4035 he says

Seriously, this Mirhawk wagon is so awful, for fucks sake. It makes me cry and vomit

. He said the following in 4202:

The fact that Kraska still lives gives me a huge sad. C'mon guys, this Mirhawk wagon is absolutely shit.

That looks seriously bad in retrospective.

He's either completely wrong town or mafia. We'll sort him out D3 or D4.

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He's around null to me because of his wagon on D1, I'm having a hard time buying that top two wagons were w/w.

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But then again, who knows. Weirder stuff has happened.

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I guess Dunnstral is a full vig and he killed Wake?

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Those kills leave us at 13 players and there should be 2 or 3 mafia left, I'd say odds are pretty good.
I have to say that I didn't expect both podoboq and Wake to be town. Wake had horrible reads throughout the game except for podoboq.

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{Zach, Dunn, Me, Trans, Varsoon, Implosion, Kraska}

Who is left.

?

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That leaves Airick Boem and A50

I'm not intending to get lynched in this game after demonstrating a good town game and correct reads so I have to disagree with my inclusion in that POE.

What makes you clear? Your miller claim?

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Yeah, we should massclaim. I already claimed VT yesterday.

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Doctor claim from someone basically spews Varsoon clear unless they are partners.

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Why haven't you been modkilled Transcend

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Setiously though can people read and comment on my post on airick?

I think there should be at least one mafia in Airick10/AGar.

Both Mirhawk and Vedith voted shannon D1

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what the fuck

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Conf town: Dunn, Varsoon

Prob town: Zach, Shannon

Null: Kraska, Airick, Boem

Possible scum: Beeboy, implosion

Prob scum: A50

Why is implosion in

possible scum

? What's your opinion on AGar?

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implosion is highly unlikely to be scum after yesterday

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Boem had a shitty day 2 but a solid day 3.

I'm sorta puttin implosion on the back burner since he did vote right and was a thorough advocate for Mirhawk.

Kraska and Airick are null. I need to re-iso airick since people are saying he's scum. Also I left AGar off. Put him in the possible scum cateory.

I hope that Zach and Kraska make me fully rescind my townreads on them.

Shitty day two? I guessed correctly Mirhawk was lying and if you didn't stupidly hammer PeregrineV we'd probably lynched Mirhawk then.

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kraska...... why would I ever LIE about me being scum come on you act like I claimed one shot lynchproof serial killer


By the way I have to switch my brain back on for a bit

AGar is town unless you really want to hand the game to scum, which was already well underway with your reads, do not kill him

What makes AGar town?

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implosion is highly unlikely to be scum after yesterday

How is that exactly? implosion never voted for Mirhawk yesterday. Everyone who was there saw the slip. implosion even calls it out, but never votes?

That's a weak argument, it doesn't even matter who voted Mirhawk after he slipped and implosion was the first vote on Mirhawk when he was at L-1 during D2.

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The Mirhawk wagon, broken down:

Implosion - probably town, but been off all game.
Peregrine - Questionable, lurky slot. Not really contributing.
Dunnstral - hypothetical 1-shot vig who shot* an obv town player last night, went along with a mason fake claim that garbled up most of day 1 and has had more flipped stances than Hillary Clinton
Boem - Opportunistic scumbag sliding onto yet another wagon.
kraska - "Please lynch anyone but me, PLEASE!"

This and few other posts show that AGar was seriously opposed to Mirhawk wagon which was fine at the time. Somewhat redeeming things about AGar are that he was among the first votes on Vedith and that he made few quite funny sarcastic remarks about his wagon. But I think he could be the type of player who just decides to get rid of an awful teammate.

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You mean the first unvote on Mirhawk at L-1 during D2. Mirhawk claimed doc, it's not unusual for anyone to unvote in that situaiton. If implosion was very highly likely town, wouldn't he have voted Mirhawk after an obvious slip? I'm not saying implosion is absolute scum, but to say he's very likely town because of that is illogical.

I find it hard to buy that implosion noticed the slip from Mirhawk and then nonchalantly responded within 2-3 minutes if he was a teammate

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It's time for Airick10 to claim.

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Stop it. For fuck's sake I would rather you lynch me than AGar. I said I would wagon myself before I let a Wake lynch happen. He got NK'd. I feel the same way about AGar.

Okay. Your word is still good with me so I'll listen. That means you are pro-Airick10 lynch?

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Almost50, why did you roleblock Airick10?

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So what exactly is the case on me again here?

You are currently in POE. Who do you think are remaining mafia?

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I am getting worried you guys are starting to notice I am not actually doing anything

At least you can say that you've been consistent throughout the game.

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Zach is on top of my list. Someone bussed Vedith D1 and as I said in D2 I did not like Zach's reactions to the Vedith wagon. Plus, he was pretty defensive of Mirhawk throughout D2.

Who do you think is Zach's partner if he's mafia?

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And I expect that list soon.

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Those kills leave us at 13 players

I thought we should be 12 now??

Not Voting: AGar, Mirhawk, implosion, Airick10, Zachstralkita, Varsoon, Almost50, Boem_u_dusi, Transcend, kraska77, beeboy, shannon, Dunnstral

Mirhawk is back?!!!!! When?? Why??

Ah, that's why I miscounted

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That I'm unsure of. My candidates come down to AGar and beeboy.

I have null reads on you

and A50. Kraska is claiming a neutral role and I didn't like implosions voting patterns in D1, but I think he's brought good value to the game since then and doesn't seem to be sheeping nearly as much.

I'm confident you are town

, shannon, Varsoon (although the backup nurse thing still makes me scratch my head), and Transcend.

So am I a null read or townread?

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I'm not satisfied with Airick10

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If A50 is a town JK it's not implausible for scum to have a strongman, especially with all our PRs.

I'm not satisfied with Airick10

I hope this means you're not satisfied with his defense and want to kill him.

He's my primary suspect now, but I'm in no hurry. I'd like him to claim first and explain himself better if he's town.

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Airick nullreads A50, a claimed JK with credibility to his claim and he nullreads you, then that switches to a strong townread in a few sentences.

Please lynch that.

Yeah, that looks awful.

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Zach, there's no need to rush anything, town is in a comfortable position and it's only matter of time we narrow down POE and win this.

Airick10, please claim ffs. This seems like you are in no mood to make some crap up

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Almost50, I thought you jailed Dunnstral N2? Can you list all your night actions in one post, I'm having trouble following your train of thought.

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I'm a Vanilla Townie

Zach - That's not the only lie you've said in this game.

This was so hard to do?

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Except I have admitted I can be wrong.

There's nothing wrong with your reasoning, you're just leaving room for another scum mislynch and I don't like that.

AGar's attitude has screamed town this entire fucking game

. I would literally quote his ISO.

Don't believe me? Fine. Okay, here goes.... *hyperventilates* I

couuuuuullllllllddddddd

be wrong.


Oh shit. I feel like I lost a part of myself just now.

I don't know, he seems competent enough to fake that attitude if scum. Him defending Mirhawk was shady as fuck and I have no idea why you are townreading him so much but I think I'm trusting you for now.

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I'll probably be going out soon. Let's all calm down and think everything through, no need to rush anything. We're not allowing even 1% chance of scum getting away in this game, capisci everyone?

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A50 back me up on this lynch son

I would, but I'm like 80% kraska is the OTHER killing role, so it's better to lynch her first or we lose two more townies on N4. But I'll consider the option of switching my vote as soon as I'm fully caught up.

Wait, can you explain that theory in more detail?

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Claiming VT wasn't hard to do, but I don't see how it matters to you guys at this point. With all the fake claims in the game, any PR role I'd claim would be scrutinized, which I wouldn't blame you for.

I insisted on it because it would be good if you were some kind of powerful PR and claimed it because scum NK'ing players in POE would be beneficial here.

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What the fuck is with that death wish

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Anyway, I'm hitting the bed now and I'm angry with some people. Zach, what the fuck are you doing today?

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[quote="In post 5288, Dunnstral"][/quote]

PeregrineV decided he's too cool to save anybody N1

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Did peregrine not claim his day 1 protect before dying? or did I forget it

i was quoting this

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A lot of players make no lick of sense.

What is everyone's opinion on AGar?

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Well I have some stuff to say but this might influence NK 3 so i will shutup and leave it to day 4

What was this about?

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podoboq ISO is completely useless

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@shannon: I wasn't soft claiming PR there, at least that wasn't my intention. Since I started this game, I've completed around 7-8 games on other sites so I'm feeling better about game mechanics and now I'm much more confident overall.

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I think massclaiming should be good here in order to possibly catch Varsoon if he's bullshiting about being backup nurse.

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Unsure what to make of beeboy.

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no
i wont claim before i get my word out
it will hurt town
enough of this crap

It will hurt town?

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This is what I'm currently thinking:

Town: { Dunnstral, Zach, Almost50, Transcend, shannon, implosion }
Null : { kraska77, beeboy }
Conditional: { Varsoon }
Scumpool/POE: { Airick10, AGar }

I think Airick10 is going today, but his latest posts are making me think more about it than I expected.

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If Airick10 flips scum, AGar is looking much better and vice versa.

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I think you're right here, if Varsoon lied about being backup nurse we'll catch him eventually. I don't understand why Zach townreads AGar so much, but I guess that suggests they are not both scum or Zach is being extremely bold here. Concerning VCA, it's unfortunate that so many townies voted PeregrineV. I think Mirhawk's wagon on D2 is worth taking a closer look. What do you think of beeboy?

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What is your POE?

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10 players are alive, I assume 1-2 mafia or 1 mafia and one SK so we're doing pretty good so far.

What are chances both town and mafia have a jailkeeper? Almost50's claim is shaky to me after Airick flip. Varsoon is also unconfirmed.

Maybe beeboy left us some clues.

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AGar and Shannon are town

I guess those were the checks.

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I was already town reading Varsoon tho so of course I believe him.

I am not convinced A50 is town

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I think checks were shannon and AGar (90%), but Almost50 negative check is also a possibility.

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OK, how about turning off caps lock?

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So we have 2 confirmed towns (AGar, shannon) and a mod-confirmed town in Transcend? I don't believe Almost50 is a jailkeeper at this point, so many protective roles and 2 opposite-sided jailkeepers seem too much to me. So it's him or Varsoon unless someone confirms him.

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@implosion

AGar and Shannon are town

I guess those were the checks.

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I feel like he would put his two confirmed-town checks in the first list of players rather than doing what appears to be PoE on them

Why did he isolate AGar and shannon then and said they were town?

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@POST 5352 DOUBT IT. NEITHER WAS A PERSON OF INTEREST TO THE MAJORITY OF PLAYERS ON DAYS 1 TO 3

It doesn't matter who is a person of interest to town. Both AGar and shannon checks make perfect sense because they're likely to survive the night if they are town so the checks aren't wasted.

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Well if it were someone other than my scumread discrediting my reads then I'd give it a second look.

Since that isn't the case, lemme simplify my reads.

{Dunn, Zach, shannon, Almost50}
{kraska, Airick, Wake}
{Mirhawk, podoboq, beeboy}
{Titus, Peregrine}
{Varsoon}
{AGar}
{Boem, implosion}

feels pretty safe to me.

Why is AGar scum?

This also suggests green check for AGar.

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Look at his ISO, his first votes are AGar and shannon. It makes sense that he checked them.

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I like Shannon and Zach for town btw

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Varsoon and AGar need to hug


I am 99% sure I know what Varsoons role is so nah let's not make him claim.

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like he said "We will hard lynch the remaining players and win"
before he said that AGar and shannon were town

I think he pointed out AGar and shannon deliberately. I don't think you were the check. Varsoon could be though.

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I like Shannon and Zach for town btw

this post was before night 3... he couldn't have checked them both by now

and his d1-2 are also very consistent with having checked varsoon, as your next quote agrees with as well

I missed that it was D3. So Varsoon was checked and ... ?

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I'm certainly not confident that I was the second but I still think AGar is likely scum so :shrug:

Anyway. None of this matters. We need Dunnstral to claim if he shot beeboy, and we need a50 to claim who he jailkept, asap.

It's probably GG at this point, but I still want to make sure.

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Beeboy kills seems more like a vig shot than NK. I don't see how mafia figured out that he wasn't the miller.

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is full vig an actual thing? or does it normally come with limited shots

I don't know.

Beeboy was the only kill so I guess jailkeeper protected someone or caught the killer.

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i figured out another thing in the shower.

Remember how motion was detected on Varsoon n1?

That makes it more likely Varsoon was a green check.

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And yeah I agree beeboy was probably a vig shot. Only other possibility I can think of is that scum ALSO have a rolecop.

And full vig is a thing.

Scum HAD a rolecop (Vedith).

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So neapolitan/commuter/jailkeeper/??? is scumteam by roles.

It's also possible there are 1 mafia and 1 traitor left. Is 4 mafia among 19 players a bit too much town-sided? Especially if town has a vig.

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Odd-night cop, motion detector, a vig, doctor/nurse/backup nurse, jailkeeper. Somebody is lying here or there is no way 4 mafia are among 19 players. This is too much power for town.

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All those awesome roles and I got lousy Vanilla Townie

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Mirhawk claimed even-night doctor, God save his soul.

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Serious dilemma here is whether Almost50 is jailkeeper or not and whom he saved previous night.

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If someone used power on AGar, now is probably time to talk about it. This game should be locked, last remaining mafia is probably AGar then. If not, as long as doc is on jailkeeper and jaillkeeper announces his target every day mafia cannot slip through our fingers. We have 3 jailkeeper checks before Varsoon/implosion/Almost50 all die and we can afford 3 mislynches so I think it's GG?

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So this basically boils down to AGar vs Zach if all claims are correct?

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What did Zach claim?

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I'm gonna be frank. If i were mafia here and 3 of my partners got lynched in the first 4 days and with lots of town power remaining, I'd probably just give up. I admire whoever scum is lol.

+1

Zach, don't be an ass and just claim. There's no point in hiding anything anymore.

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Hi everyone, I'm catching up.

The problem is, not many players make sense as scum especially from votecount perspective.

Almost50 voted Mirhawk and Airick10. He wasn't on Mirhawk D2 though and Mirhawk was a goner from the moment he slipped.
AGar voted Airick10 yesterday.
implosion was the first vote on Mirhawk on D2 if my notes are correct and lately he's been obvtowning a lot. Plus, he claimed nurse.
kraska77/Performer slot voted Vedith, Mirhawk, Airick10 and pressured Mirhawk D2.
Dunnstral really deserves a medal for his performance this game like he said.
Transcend is basically a mod-confirmed town PR?
shannon voted Vedith and Mirhawk, who voted her D1.
Varsoon voting patterns actually make sense from scum perspective - he voted Titus D1 and D2. He never ever voted scum if I remember correctly (I'm too lazy to check whether my notes are correct or not). His claim could have also been a try to save Mirhawk who claimed even-night doctor.
Zach voted Airick10 and Vedith and he's been towny to me the whole game.

I also don't make sense as mafia - I voted Vedith D1, pressured Mirhawk D2, suspected Mirhawk more than PeregrineV D2, voted Mirhawk D3, I was interrogating Airick10 and he was in my POE D4, would have probably voted him if you didn't hammer him while I was sleeping or something. Plus, I don't see myself even trying at this point as scum.

It's hard to come up with POE at this point but I'd guess it is something like AGar/maybe Varsoon? AGar is probably going today.

Based on claims, having 3 player doctor chain and a jailkeeper while mafia has jailkeeper of their own seems fishy to me so maybe we should take a closer look in that direction.

I'm thinking now Varsoon could be mafia rolecop who investigated implosion and found out implosion was nurse so it was safe for him to claim backup nurse.

I say we lynch AGar and shoot Varsoon or something like that.

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Maybe you got N0 check? Anyway, who are your top suspects Varsoon?

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I'm probably tinfoiling at this point.

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I've run out of ideas if AGar flips town and Almost50 is really town jailkeeper. Maybe shannon?

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AGar and Shannon are town

This is really bugging me, it really looks like those were the checks - it was at the beginning of D4.

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I'm little annoyed that beeboy didn't leave us better peeks.

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Why he didn't claim with supposed nurse/doctor and jailkeeper alive is beyond me.

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If Almost50 is a jailkeeper and implosion is nurse/doctor, can they just protect each other and win the game for town? Or is targeting the same player two times in a row disallowed?

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I have no idea. Let's lynch/shoot in AGar/Zach and call it a day, I guess.

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If there are two mafia left, does that change the plan?

How do we know how many mafia are left?

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We don't, but if the plan works iff there is one mafioso left and not if there are two or more left, maybe it's prudent to get a different plan?

I skimmed briefly through other games in New York subforum and it seems for this number of players 4 mafia is the standard or 2 opposing mafia teams of 2/3 or 4 mafia and a serial killer.

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Epicmafia, I guess?

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I played with you before , but I'm not telling you my username. Let's say I just use that site to troll around occasionally and that we played together about a month ago

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Zach, why are you opposed to AGar lynch so much?

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Zach, why are you opposed to AGar lynch so much?

From AGar's play alone I would say he is town without a doubt, same thing I said with Wake

got a case dude? i think in terms of rollercoaster reads, he would be mine.

i've scumread him one day then townread him the next and bla bla bla.

It makes sense

Zach, why are you opposed to AGar lynch so much?

If you think there's scum in me/AGar you shouldn't ever be asking me this question

Why can't you be town who has a wrong townread?

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About the only thing I like about AGar is his vote on Airick10. Oh, and witty remarks.

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Of all the people who claimed VT Boem is the only one who could reasonably be scum.

I have no idea. Let's lynch/shoot in AGar/Zach and call it a day, I guess.

LOL

You, AGar, shannon, kraska also claimed VT.

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Well, I don't mind going from this game because I think town always wins this but my lynch isn't going to help.

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Right now, I think AGar is scum and you've just been wrong about him the whole time. Or you were jailkept the night before and that's why NK didn't occur.

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Hmm, I'm thinking. Almost50 said he targeted Zach to protect him, but why would mafia target Zach at this point with jailkeeper, doc, nurse, vig alive? Makes no sense.

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I think it's possible that Almost50 lied about being a jailkeeper and he's maybe a mafia roleblocker. But he doesn't need to be resolved today, he can't continue lying forever if that's the case.

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And implosion probably saved him last night so ... Yeah, unlikely.

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I'm just tinfoiling because I haven't got anything better to do at this point.

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Nosferatu and Airick weren't really lynches on the table on the days they got lynched.

If I were scum why would I excessively bus them and kill off my own teammates to gain nothing and drastically increase the chances of the scum team losing by working directly against a scum objective? That's practically playing against a scum wincon.

I've been obvtown. Dunn just couldn't believe I could play that well as town.

I believe beeboy voted Airick, and I voted him after that? Those were the only 2 votes on Airick at that point.

Well, I don't mind going from this game because I think town always wins this but my lynch isn't going to help.

Okay then, selfvote and let's do this. I'm going to call your bluff.

Right now, I think AGar is scum and you've just been wrong about him the whole time. Or you were jailkept the night before and that's why NK didn't occur.

This is the second time.

If you think AGar is scum and I've been wrong about him

the whole time

, how is the possibilty that I'm also scum that got jailkept EQUALLY as valid?

If you sincerely believe one you cannot even consider the other. You just state them as both possibilities because you yourself know they're not true.

You also said

Of all the people who claimed VT Boem is the only one who could reasonably be scum.

I have no idea. Let's lynch/shoot in AGar/Zach and call it a day, I guess.

LOL

You, AGar, shannon, kraska also claimed VT.

As if to say what?

If you're still saying there's one scum in me/AGar, you're just being redundant here for no reason other than to make noise.

Or you speculate that one of shannon / kraska could be scum, which does not follow when you say you think I've been wrong about AGar

the whole time

.


I think airick may have been beeboy's red check?

If you look at #5047 he votes A50 as if to pressure him for his jailkeep targets. You could think that HE was the red check, but then in #5063 he votes Airick because Airick is in his POE which absolutely does not make sense if he actually thought that A50 could be scum. It was clearly obvious he believed Airick was guilty. In #5065 I say I'd be fine with voting Airick on a serious note because I believed he was scum.

Almost50 says he jailkept Dunn N1, Kraska N2, Airick N3, and me N4. So beeboy shouldn't have been roleblocked unless Airick did it, which doesn't make sense for Airick to roleblock beeboy as opposed to a claimed PR because beeboy never scumread him prior and gave no indication as such.

1. Nosferatu/Vedith and Airick10 were definitely lynch candidates on days they were lynched.
2. I don't understand this logic. I see four possibilities: a) you are town and you're wrong about AGar, b) you are scum and you're correct about AGar, c) you're the traitor and AGar is also scum (or partners), d) you're both town and this game will be harder than expected. Why can't I entertain more than one possibility at a time?

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You said you didn't mind going, though. So you shouldn't mind.

You first

VOTE: Zachstralkita

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dudes it's probably just AGar

VOTE: AGar

Yeah, I think Zach is just stubbornly wrong here.

VOTE: AGar

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RIP TOWN

Town is doing pretty fine and tomorrow we get new batch of information if we fail today. I'd say it's 96% locked.

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It would be 100% if beeboy paid more attention in his highschool logic classes.

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Nothing. We'll hear more from doc, jailkeeper, vig and take it from there.

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are we in twilight yet because we shouldn't send it there yet until we know what each pr is doing

UNVOTE:

I think jailkeeper and doc just protect each other?

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sup guys

I'd like to stay here and chat

but I have to write my homework

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yo guys

me and Wake lock town

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I'm Vanilla Townie

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I'm even night doc I saved Titus N1 honest to God

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For the record I'm actually

11

-shot vig

I claimed 10-shot because I wanted to clarify that the beeboy kill was me, and because I didn't want to be roleblocked for the next kill

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I'M NOT CLAIMING GET OFF ME THAT'S SENSITIVE INFORMATION I'm vanilla townie

vote agar

VOTE THAT TURKISH GUY WITH CREEPY AVATAR HE REMINDS ME OF MY ASSHOLE EX-BOYFRIEND

vote agar

WELL I HAVE SOME STUFF TO SAY BUT THIS MIGHT INFLUENCE NK 3 SO I WILL SHUTUP AND LEAVE IT TO DAY 4 i have no idea what you're talking about

vote agar

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man dat voting is so 90's

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fuck you assholes

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just lynch me if you wanna be this fucking stupid

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i also get dem bad vibez from implosion man

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My vote on Wake is serious based on group dynamic.

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man that boem has to be scum AGar is as pure as coke I did yesterday

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I don't understand the wagon on Vedith

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I don't trust Titus, Transcend, shannon, Boem_u_dusi, Varsoon, or Dunnstral.

(probably all town)

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WHAT'S THE MATTER WITH YOU VEDITH COULD HAVE BEEN THE COP

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Willing to lynch town Day 2?

(If you're playing please answer with 'Yes' or 'No.')

AGar

~ Yes/No

Airick10

~ Yes/No

Almost50

~ Yes/No

Beeboy

~ Yes/No

Boem_u_dusi

~ Yes/No

Dunnstral

~ Yes/No

implosion

~ Yes/No

Mirhawk

~ Yes/No

PeregrineV

~ Yes/No

Performer

~ Yes/No

podoboq

~ Yes/No

shannon

~ Yes/No

Titus

~ Yes/No

Transcend

~ Yes/No

Varsoon

~ Yes/No

Vedith

~ Yes/No

Zachstralkita

~ Yes/No

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Mirhawk will you join my townblock, we need to defend against that evil manipulating Titus