Yeah, you are misinterpreting that. I told people that Acid is always town when they are useless like this, he provided a counterexample. He's not trying to say that because Acid was similar they are scum here, just that they aren't always town.In post 856, James Brafin wrote:But the last game you play has no bearing on this one, no matter the situation. Just because a player does something in a previous game doesn't mean if they do the same thing here, they are the same alignment.
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How exactly do you want me to dscribe meta? It's a vibe thingIn post 858, Not Known 15 wrote:Well, the argument Mulch gave to their idea of acid being town was "meta", without any further explanation.Amrock#3784-
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not really, I've played multiple games with Acid and modded one of theirs too when they are scum. I'm drawing on many examples, not using one exampleIn post 863, James Brafin wrote:
I see. So you were using HBA.In post 859, Mulch wrote:
Yeah, you are misinterpreting that. I told people that Acid is always town when they are useless like this, he provided a counterexample. He's not trying to say that because Acid was similar they are scum here, just that they aren't always town.In post 856, James Brafin wrote:But the last game you play has no bearing on this one, no matter the situation. Just because a player does something in a previous game doesn't mean if they do the same thing here, they are the same alignment.Amrock#3784-
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This has nothing to do with your scummy point. You thinking they are town separately from wagon construction is fine, but don't use that as an excuse for when you say:In post 861, Boonskiies wrote:I mean, I’d been saying I thought Jordan was a mislynch even before I went inactive. And I am one of the best people at reading massive, I feel, and i don’t think he’s scum this game. And if he is, I’ll be able to figure that out, but right now, this is pretty standard town massive
"I think that there are people on Jordan's wagon that are scum (which honestly SHOULD have no influence on your decision anyway)",but even if Jordan is scum they could be scum anyway. So you basically just took 3 people and said they could be scum REGARDLESS of Jordan...so why did you bring up Jordan anyway? If it didn't matter?
Also Boon, your not the best day 1 player. So maybe sheep me for once??? And then I'll sheep you lategame if you are alive, unless ur scum ofc.Amrock#3784-
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Yes, but can they also be done by town?In post 870, Not Known 15 wrote:
Well, you are one of my scumreads, and vague "gutreads", "vibes" and the like coming from a player can be extremely easily faked by scum.In post 860, Mulch wrote:
How exactly do you want me to dscribe meta? It's a vibe thingIn post 858, Not Known 15 wrote:Well, the argument Mulch gave to their idea of acid being town was "meta", without any further explanation.
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Why is that scummy?In post 876, James Brafin wrote:
Okay, if that doesn't look scummy, I don't know what does.In post 874, Mulch wrote:Ok everyone let's stop this idiotic theory talk and vote Jordan
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In post 878, Not Known 15 wrote:And this one smells like scum.
-Buddying
-asssuming that they will live until lategame with boon
-trying to change a vote via bribery
Buddying is NAI
I am never nightkilled
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I didn't do HBA. When did I do that? I thought I refuted that I did that, actually.In post 880, James Brafin wrote:
Are you kidding? This is a combo of Argument of Repetition and Appeal to Emotion! A pretty scummy move if I ever saw one, even more so than the HBA.In post 877, Mulch wrote:
Why is that scummy?In post 876, James Brafin wrote:
Okay, if that doesn't look scummy, I don't know what does.In post 874, Mulch wrote:Ok everyone let's stop this idiotic theory talk and vote Jordan
VOTE: Mulch
Besides, you haven't even given a legit reason for WHY Jordan should be lynched. (At least, not one I've seen.)
What is arguement of repetition and why is it scummy, and why is appeal to emoition scummy?
He should be lynched because he has not done anything towny, and has made 2 scummy posts, and has refused to follow up on questions I've asked him.Amrock#3784-
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I'm neever lynched as scum, always as town tho.In post 882, James Brafin wrote:
Are you never nightkilled because you're lynched as scum? Because that seems pretty scummy.In post 879, Mulch wrote:In post 878, Not Known 15 wrote:And this one smells like scum.
-Buddying
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Buddying is NAI
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No. Also, respond to my point or you are actually might probably could possibly be scum!!!!In post 888, James Brafin wrote:
Are you accusing me of being scum? Because that looks like EXACTLY what you are doing.In post 883, mozamis wrote:James, town are often illogical. Scum are normally "logical". And pleasant. And blend in. Mulch is a tricky scum player. But i have expereince with Mulch, and he looks (and FEELS) TOWN TO ME.Amrock#3784-
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In post 891, Not Known 15 wrote:Mulch has been my number 1 scumread for a long time, and I have tried to push them multiple times. It failed again and again despite their behaviour because some people were using the meta excuse, like with acid(who is also a scumread of mine). Their defense of Acid was also bad.
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Yeah... but that talk was about why their defense of Acid was bad.It's actually very town because it's quite aggressive, it's trying to get someone lynched. It's not blending in. And scum LOVE theory talk.
And they are aggressive, yes, but.... that could have different reasons: They are under heavy attack, constantly, since I have repeatedly pushed for him, and I was never really alone, and multiple people were suspecting them at some point. At that point, no scum can afford to be not aggressive.
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Dafuck? Why can't town do it to get votes?In post 893, James Brafin wrote:For #2, AoR is saying the same thing over and over until everyone begins to think it is true. It's a pretty pungent scumtell.Amrock#3784-
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Who said I don't have a reason? Nobody asked me except nowIn post 900, James Brafin wrote:
Because it means that you don't really have any reason to vote for him. You're just saying the same thing over and over to get folks to jump on your wagon. That's anti-town AT LEAST, if not scummy.In post 895, Mulch wrote:
Dafuck? Why can't town do it to get votes?In post 893, James Brafin wrote:For #2, AoR is saying the same thing over and over until everyone begins to think it is true. It's a pretty pungent scumtell.Amrock#3784-
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Why is that bad?In post 898, James Brafin wrote:Oh, I see your point now. AtE is scummy because it appeals to emotional impulse, rather than logic.Amrock#3784-
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Why can't town use AtE to get a scumread lynched?In post 906, James Brafin wrote:
Because in doing so, you're basically appealing to our fear of the Mafia so you can get town lynched. THAT's the danger of AtE; the idea that someone can hesitate into voting the wrong guy and we get a bad kill.In post 903, Mulch wrote:
Why is that bad?In post 898, James Brafin wrote:Oh, I see your point now. AtE is scummy because it appeals to emotional impulse, rather than logic.
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Why did you scumread me for it before even asking me for a reason? curiousIn post 904, James Brafin wrote:
Well, I'd like to see it.In post 902, Mulch wrote:
Who said I don't have a reason? Nobody asked me except nowIn post 900, James Brafin wrote:
Because it means that you don't really have any reason to vote for him. You're just saying the same thing over and over to get folks to jump on your wagon. That's anti-town AT LEAST, if not scummy.In post 895, Mulch wrote:
Dafuck? Why can't town do it to get votes?In post 893, James Brafin wrote:For #2, AoR is saying the same thing over and over until everyone begins to think it is true. It's a pretty pungent scumtell.Amrock#3784-
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To get their scumreads lynched?In post 913, James Brafin wrote:But WHY would a townie ever do that?
Also, lol and lmao are meta tells, not scumtells.
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If you don't see any scum motiviation how is it scummy lolIn post 919, James Brafin wrote:
I don't know. But I still don't see any proof.In post 917, Mulch wrote:Why would I push someone without a reason as scum?
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Why woulden't a town do it?In post 918, James Brafin wrote:Because that's EXACTLY what a mafia would do. They breed fear among many to cause dissent and mislynch.Amrock#3784-
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Anyway here are the things I didn't like about them.
1) They haven't been TOWNY.
2) 619- I feel like their reads on me and acid could be fabricated. I'm not sure, though.
This line is legitimately a lie. Dunker has been going around saying everyone is scum. Also, it's not rock solid evidence, but Dunker is often pushed as scum when he is town, he is lynchbait.In post 619, XnadrojX wrote:I think Una and Dunker are scum, their posts seem to be less "hey look, there's scum" and more "Hey [insert player here], I think you're right"
Anyway I decided to ask for their reasoning on why I was town and they just ignored it--620.
Then, their scumread in 648 made no sense to me, although I don't often see scum 180ing their reads like that. It;s just such an easy thing to push me on, when it is something really NAI. I mean, I can see town thinking this, but I can also see scum doing this. So there is a possibility for scum motiviation here.
I ask ANOTHER follow up in 650 and still no response.
I disliked 699 his read on NK15 seemed shallow.
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Uh... why not? Why shoulden't I use fear to get my scumreads lynched?In post 924, James Brafin wrote:
Breed fear among town? Because that's so anti-town that's not even funny. Making factions is never a good townie idea. They shouldn't need to.In post 921, Mulch wrote:
Why woulden't a town do it?In post 918, James Brafin wrote:Because that's EXACTLY what a mafia would do. They breed fear among many to cause dissent and mislynch.Amrock#3784-
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Nobody has proof in mafia. Some people have REASONS. Sometimes a reason can be as simple as, I don't townread them.In post 923, James Brafin wrote:Lack of proof = no reason for scumread.
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This is wrong. Also, creating fear to get a scumread lynched isn't anti-townIn post 929, James Brafin wrote:And Anti-town, in my opinion, is only one step away from scummy.Amrock#3784-
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JordanIn post 952, Raskolnikov wrote:don't have much time to read atm
what should I vote to avoid no lynch?Amrock#3784-
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No, seriously. Are you masons?In post 960, Boonskiies wrote:
That’s the only kind of claiming I do!In post 959, Mulch wrote:Are you hardclaiming Mason buddies?Amrock#3784-
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I feel like you are going to be a detriment to townIn post 990, James Brafin wrote:
And why exactly do you want me killed, Mulch? Is my logic too powerful for you?In post 988, Mulch wrote:James can be vigged too , tyAmrock#3784-
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I mean, you keep saying random things and saying they are “problems”. Like, me saying “the sky is blue” and that’s scummy for you. Technically true, but not scummy.In post 994, James Brafin wrote:
So a policy kill? You do understand how scummy that sounds, right? You want me dead because I keep pointing out the problems in your posts, not because I'm going to be a town detriment.In post 992, Mulch wrote:
I feel like you are going to be a detriment to townIn post 990, James Brafin wrote:
And why exactly do you want me killed, Mulch? Is my logic too powerful for you?In post 988, Mulch wrote:James can be vigged too , ty
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The way you are approaching the game is bad. You are already succumbing to confirmation bias , and the things you scumread people for are all bad . Specially the logical fallaciesIn post 999, James Brafin wrote:
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Just ask me to explain then lolIn post 1001, James Brafin wrote:
Dude, this sums up half of my problems with your answers. AND YOU SAID IT YOURSELF. A one sentence, vague answer doesn't work.In post 377, Mulch wrote:Can you answer the questions fully instead of vague one sentence answers- The red responses and subsequent questions were much more multi-faceted and complex than those responses would warrant.Amrock#3784-
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? Everything you have pointed out isn’t scummy. You haven’t even explained why any are scummy .In post 1000, James Brafin wrote:
None of these are random. I am taking specific posts and pointing out the obvious flaws in them.In post 996, Mulch wrote:
I mean, you keep saying random things and saying they are “problems”. Like, me saying “the sky is blue” and that’s scummy for you. Technically true, but not scummy.In post 994, James Brafin wrote:
So a policy kill? You do understand how scummy that sounds, right? You want me dead because I keep pointing out the problems in your posts, not because I'm going to be a town detriment.In post 992, Mulch wrote:
I feel like you are going to be a detriment to townIn post 990, James Brafin wrote:
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WhyIn post 1015, Boonskiies wrote:I’m fighting Mulch hard on Jordan lynch. It’s a mislynch.Amrock#3784-
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Why are one sentence words scummy? Why is self defense scummy?In post 1010, James Brafin wrote:Firstly, this is not Burden of Proof. I'm not asking you to prove that you are not scummy, I'm pointing out reasons you could be scummy! Big difference there.
And the scummy stems from:
A: Lots of one-sentence, vague answers (None of which that I just pointed out you will explain.)
B: Obvious panic and self-defense
C: Wanting to kill other players just because they don't agree with you and/or scumread you. Yeah, that especially isn't scummy at all.
How do you know I’m panicking? I was not.
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Why are you hell bent on ruining this game?In post 1047, Dunkerdoodles wrote:i don't like xan wagon at all
VOTE: mulch
looks like this is more likely then mozAmrock#3784-
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Name a town game I haven't cared lolIn post 1055, Dunkerdoodles wrote:why are you worried about being scumread when normally you dont careAmrock#3784-
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I think your lock town and I'm not pushing you at all. That's why I am dissapointed rather than paranoidIn post 1057, Dunkerdoodles wrote:idk but i swear your self meta was not caring about being scumread
or i'm getting mixed up with you and boon.
anyways i already compromised, why are you pushing me if you townread me?
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knew you weren't masons with him
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