Large Normal 207: Theatre Mafia

[James Brafin]

James can be vigged too , ty

And why exactly do you want me killed, Mulch? Is my logic too powerful for you?

I feel like you are going to be a detriment to town

So a policy kill? You do understand how scummy that sounds, right? You want me dead because I keep pointing out the problems in your posts, not because I'm going to be a town detriment.

I mean, you keep saying random things and saying they are “problems”. Like, me saying “the sky is blue” and that’s scummy for you. Technically true, but not scummy.

None of these are random. I am taking specific posts and pointing out the obvious flaws in them.

[James Brafin]

Can you answer the questions fully instead of vague one sentence answers- The red responses and subsequent questions were much more multi-faceted and complex than those responses would warrant.

Dude, this sums up half of my problems with your answers. AND YOU SAID IT YOURSELF. A one sentence, vague answer doesn't work.

[Mulch]

Why would scum be so obvious that a terrible player like you could pick them up lol

Why am I so bad? Just because I'm new?

The way you are approaching the game is bad. You are already succumbing to confirmation bias , and the things you scumread people for are all bad . Specially the logical fallacies

[Mulch]

Can you answer the questions fully instead of vague one sentence answers- The red responses and subsequent questions were much more multi-faceted and complex than those responses would warrant.

Dude, this sums up half of my problems with your answers. AND YOU SAID IT YOURSELF. A one sentence, vague answer doesn't work.

Just ask me to explain then lol

[Mulch]

James can be vigged too , ty

And why exactly do you want me killed, Mulch? Is my logic too powerful for you?

I feel like you are going to be a detriment to town

So a policy kill? You do understand how scummy that sounds, right? You want me dead because I keep pointing out the problems in your posts, not because I'm going to be a town detriment.

I mean, you keep saying random things and saying they are “problems”. Like, me saying “the sky is blue” and that’s scummy for you. Technically true, but not scummy.

None of these are random. I am taking specific posts and pointing out the obvious flaws in them.

? Everything you have pointed out isn’t scummy. You haven’t even explained why any are scummy .

[James Brafin]

I'm not a good player?

And this looks really AtE to me. "Oh, I'm not a good player? Oh, poor me! Don't lynch me, show me some pity!"

[James Brafin]

Why would scum be so obvious that a terrible player like you could pick them up lol

Why am I so bad? Just because I'm new?

The way you are approaching the game is bad. You are already succumbing to confirmation bias , and the things you scumread people for are all bad . Specially the logical fallacies

Lots of logical fallacy tend to be scumtell. You're right, one on their own is not, but Lots and lots of little ones make for a pretty powerful case against a player.

Can you answer the questions fully instead of vague one sentence answers- The red responses and subsequent questions were much more multi-faceted and complex than those responses would warrant.

Dude, this sums up half of my problems with your answers. AND YOU SAID IT YOURSELF. A one sentence, vague answer doesn't work.

Just ask me to explain then lol

Alright, then explain a few. Like the ones below:

James can be vigged too , ty

And why exactly do you want me killed, Mulch? Is my logic too powerful for you?

I feel like you are going to be a detriment to town

So a policy kill? You do understand how scummy that sounds, right? You want me dead because I keep pointing out the problems in your posts, not because I'm going to be a town detriment.

I mean, you keep saying random things and saying they are “problems”. Like, me saying “the sky is blue” and that’s scummy for you. Technically true, but not scummy.

None of these are random. I am taking specific posts and pointing out the obvious flaws in them.

? Everything you have pointed out isn’t scummy. You haven’t even explained why any are scummy .

Also, I want to make clear that I’m not giving mulch a strong townread, it’s more of a null. Is everyone saying mulch is town very confidant he is town? Same question goes to the people on his bus.

I'm town. The reasons for voting me are shit and the longer the votes stay on me the more likely they come from scum

No explanation, just scummy panic defense.

Like they just really really are

continuation of panic defense.

Someone needs to vig this dude holy shit

ANOTHER policy kill. Mulch has a nasty habit of wanting to "policy kill" anyone who might suspect him...

Let's lynch Kamina

Can you explain to me why we should lynch Kamina over Mulch, who is clearly evil?

Why couldn't I have forgotten to answer your question?

You could. It is just not very likely.
And even if it IS true: I don't trust your explanation. You still defended someone from a valid question with a wrong answer. You are still sus for mentioning multiball.

Why is it not likely for me to forget? Why is it a wrong answer? If it IS a wrong answer (don't even know at this point) why couldn't I have made a mistake? What's my scum motivation for answeing something incorrect factually? Why can't town have brought up multiball? What makes scum more likely to do it, considering that I was aware that scum could he doing it to signal and even had a paranoia theory against someone because of it?
About 7 questions for you to answer

SEVEN questions. SEVEN. And a few have no bearing on the quote. This is insane.

Mulch, back off NotKnown. He's obv town.

Yeah, but so is Mulch.

And how do we know this, exactly? I've never seen a good scumread on Mulch.

Someone needs to vig this dude holy shit

Why isn't NK allowed to scumread you

Do you really think your play has been beyond reproach

He’s allowed to scumread me. In fact, I don’t even scumread him . But I want him to come to terms with himself jay his push is bad and I’m trying to do that by having him answer these questions and realize his process is flawed

Mulch certainly slipped up here. He asks for me to get vigged, and posts later he says that he doesn't scumread me?
Let's lynch him.

Correct, I don't scumread you and I still want you vigged

That makes as much sense as a monkey in a tutu. Why should we kill someone "just because?"

So, what exactly is all this? NOT explaining how this stuff looks scummy?

[Mulch]

The burden of proof is on you. Why are these things scummy?

[Boonskiies]

James is Meow slot, right? Can we lynch him over my potential mason buddy?

[Boonskiies]

But yes. You’re right. I am sure of myself. Because that’s my town game for you...that damn good. And arrogant, so even if it’s wrong, I adapt. I’m like a boiling liquid.

[James Brafin]

Firstly, this is not Burden of Proof. I'm not asking you to prove that you are not scummy, I'm pointing out reasons you could be scummy! Big difference there.
And the scummy stems from:
A: Lots of one-sentence, vague answers (None of which that I just pointed out you will explain.)
B: Obvious panic and self-defense
C: Wanting to kill other players just because they don't agree with you and/or scumread you. Yeah, that especially isn't scummy at all.

[James Brafin]

But yes. You’re right. I am sure of myself. Because that’s my town game for you...that damn good. And arrogant, so even if it’s wrong, I adapt. I’m like a boiling liquid.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... ng:_A_Plea

[Boonskiies]

I don’t scum read you because you don’t agree with said player. I scum read you for pushing a hard scum agenda and attempting to discredit a group of players that are likely tall town.

[Boonskiies]

VOTE: James

I’m on an anyone but Jordan/massive, and meow was my old choice, so this helps a lot.

[James Brafin]

I wasn't aware you WERE scumreading me. but okay.
It does look to me like you guys are tag teaming to either get someone mislynched or bus Xand though.

[Boonskiies]

I’m fighting Mulch hard on Jordan lynch. It’s a mislynch.

[James Brafin]

Okay. That's not the vibe I've gotten, but changing your vote to me certainly makes it seem like it.
If it is a mislynch though, Mulch looks kind of shady to me.

[Boonskiies]

I’ve unfortunately seen him tunnel town before, and seen him hit scum on my null reads that I’ve protected before. I don’t believe that he’s ever hit scum on someone I town read, though, unless he was scum.

[James Brafin]

Which is part of why Mulch seems suspect to me. Why is he SO sure that Xand is the mafia?
Right now, I'm sheeping, but concerned that this may turn out bad for us.

[Mulch]

How am I “so sure” wtf

[Mulch]

I’m fighting Mulch hard on Jordan lynch. It’s a mislynch.

Why

[Boonskiies]

Which is part of why Mulch seems suspect to me. Why is he SO sure that Xand is the mafia?
Right now, I'm sheeping, but concerned that this may turn out bad for us.

why are you sheeting if concerned this might turn out bad for us and you are suspicious of Mulch? That doesn’t make sense.

Seems like you are on the wagon, knowing it’s town, and want to help push the wagon along, but also show that you had doubts about it for mediocre town cred.

[Boonskiies]

Mulch is always seems so sure, either alignment, whether wrong or right.

[James Brafin]

Which is part of why Mulch seems suspect to me. Why is he SO sure that Xand is the mafia?
Right now, I'm sheeping, but concerned that this may turn out bad for us.

why are you sheeting if concerned this might turn out bad for us and you are suspicious of Mulch? That doesn’t make sense.

Seems like you are on the wagon, knowing it’s town, and want to help push the wagon along, but also show that you had doubts about it for mediocre town cred.

Excellent point. Sheeping him IS a bad idea.
VOTE: Mulch

[Boonskiies]

My question was never answered, though.