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[Something_Smart]

I'M SURROUNDED BY ANIME

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how can he exude that much confidence so early ... weird

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Relax nothing here in these pages is allignment indicative

doislike this post

why?

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ite so i want to lynch everyone that's posted in this game so far except for dunk
gg

But we're masons.
Pedit: Hey Smarty don't tunnel me this game anything to add?

don't worry, I just won't form reads. That way I can't misread anyone

Relax nothing here in these pages is allignment indicative

doislike this post

why?

because it feels like he's stopping us from generating reads

i personalyl have caught scum within the first 3 pages before and i'm sure i could do the same this game

he's not stopping you from doing anything he's just saying HE won't form any serious reads yet, and I don't blame him
some people have that talent but most people can't separate the signal from the noise that quickly. Me included-- what I said to Maki was only half a joke

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by the way Transcend

if you scumread everyone in the game, the problem is YOU, not them.

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this game is going to be anime vs me transcend and mulch isn't it

Hmmm.. I think someone in that group is trying to make it look that way, so they can divide town. But what do I know? Nee-heehee~

I believe you are severely overthinking things

also the only time I can recall this accusation being made, it was by scum. But what do I know?

(Trick question, the answer is nothing.)

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this is actually nauseating

you should have a more positive attitude

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I don't think it's ruined, I mean I'd rather it be people I know for sure but I'm assuming (hoping?) that they'll get more serious as the game goes on

It is RVS after all, cut them a little slack

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for what it's worth, it's nice to see you Transcend and I always try to make the game enjoyable for everyone

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bad read lol her read on me sucks lol

so?

town have reads that suck all the time.

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Maki knows I have a very "don't poke the beast" attitude as scum in that I'm very careful about who I scumread, so having an unpopular/contentious scumread is a towntell for me.

that's just me ofc but I don't think her reading you wrong is a good reason to reject a townread on her. (that said: I think it's way too early to have ANY read on her so I'm rejecting that read myself, but for a different reason )

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This was at Transcend ofc.

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Transcend I don't know how to manipulate for shit. My idea of manipulation as scum is "claim miller and let town personalities fight each other over it"
Even if I were scum, my friendliness would be genuine.

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So this is my first large, are these games supposed to feel like a cluster fuck at first?

Depending on the playerlist, maybe.

This one, certainly.

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Is that by voting you? There's like 5 other votes on you. What difference does my vote make from those?

Because it’s exactly what I would expect from scum you. Rally people to vote with you. I’ve seen you do it before.

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How is that a bad post?

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VOTE: screen

Leggo leddo

Here is your OMGUS
VOTE: Transend

What a bad post. You're making this quite boring.

How is that a bad post?

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I explained when I was talking to him, maybe read?

I don't think you ever said why that post is more likely to come from scum than from town.

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I explained when I was talking to him, maybe read?

I don't think you ever said why that post is more likely to come from scum than from town.

I don't think I voted him, did I? I wanted to communicate with him, and see where he was coming from, which I did.

Both are fine goals, but they can be accomplished without saying the post is bad, and saying the post is bad does not help with them.

But, I think I explained what I didn't like about that post. We are way past that now, what is your read on Uma?

If you've ever played with me, then you know that we're not past something until I say we're past it
Slight scumread on Una because of the way he went about doubting his reads.

I explained when I was talking to him, maybe read?

I don't think you ever said why that post is more likely to come from scum than from town.

hi plz give reads

WhyMafia town
Kokichi scumlean
Srceenplay townlean

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Posts from you and Srceen match up with genuine thoughts that I'd expect from town, more so you than him. Kokichi is abrasive and defensive in a way that makes scum's job easier and town's job harder.

(@WhyMafia)

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Kokichi is abrasive and defensive in a way that makes scum's job easier and town's job harder.

Nee-heehee~ Explain this, please?

You're being annoying, and I believe intentionally so given that you're a gimmick alt apparently based on a character who enjoys confusing others.

Posts from you and Srceen match up with genuine thoughts that I'd expect from town, more so you than him. Kokichi is abrasive and defensive in a way that makes scum's job easier and town's job harder.

(@WhyMafia)

Why is Kokichi being anti-town representative of him being scum?

Not representative. But there's a nonzero chance that he would act more like the way he is as scum than as town.

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...this game so far... I feel like already skipping the RVS...

VOTE: Nagito Komaeda to start the RWS! (RandomWagoningStage)

This post is very awful, also it shows that he wanted to get out of RVS which brings me to the next post.

At the very least one scum in:
Maki Harukawa
Monaco Towa
Nagito Komaeda

Also: Fykus has entered the building.

This post comes out of left field and is very awkward. There is no reasoning for it, and just seems like a post to make to make it seem like he's scum hunting, when in fact he isn't.

This is super awkward. Not sure if playstyle though. (Damn alts! )

Also my reads are very VERY nebulous right now because I don't have the mental capacity nor the patience to remember every thing that informs a read. (Especially after reading 10 pages at once.) But I remember liking (in addition to WhyMafia and Srceenplay) Assemble, Mulch, Kaede, and Monaca. Didn't love Celestia's catchup but I'm waiting for some actual interaction from that slot before forming any sort of read.

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What's awkward about it? Enlighten us, you're the only one to say that so far.

The last line: "There is no reasoning for it, and just seems like a post to make to make it seem like he's scum hunting, when in fact he isn't." It's such a shallow view to take of scumplay, as though scum rather than trying to imitate genuine thoughts simply say random things and pass it off as scumhunting.

Come on S_S scumread me do it doo it~ Make my day fun

You haven't left an impression on me yet Although if you want me to scumread you then baiting me to do it is a step in the right direction

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you could have just asked

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not about that. about my meta.

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Because you're behaving like scum

Am I behaving like scum?

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how the hell am I locktown

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Are you saying that Mulch as scum wouldn't gambit from his first post, or that NOBODY would?

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Why

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I think Assemble is town. His thoughts seem more genuine than they have when I've seen him as scum.

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Why do you want to lynch me and Una

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You said your case on Una wasn't that strong though, what did you mean by that?

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Transcend you're looking for a vig target?

I found one.

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Why do you scumread me?

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Is it possible for town to play without emotion?
What post of mine do you consider lies and why?

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Can you explain what you mean by projecting and why it's a scumtell?
Because me claiming to know your reasons to scumread me before you've shared them sounds like it would be projecting what I think is scummy onto you. (Notice how I said projecting WHAT onto WHAT. I'd like you to do likewise.)

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I don't think Kokichi is the best lynch atm.

In my experience scum trying to mislynch me usually have fairly reasoned arguments, whereas town are more likely to spout inane bullshit like Kokichi is doing.

Although Kaede I do want to know why that number is so high.

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Is that a cop result?

Somehow I doubt it.

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Mulch [11]:

Pisskop, Monaco Towa

, Kaede Akamatsu,

TywinL, Maki Harukawa

, Assemblerotws,

Dunkerdoodles

, Transcend, Nagito Komaeda,

WhyMafia, Mulch

——— [LYNCH] ~ reference

I feel like scum would have tried to avoid this wagon like the plague. Still, there's probably one or two on it.

Kaede is the first place I'd look. (Similar to Kokichi I actually have a small townread on Assemble for how stupid his reasoning is.) Though I do have to echo the question as to why pisskop is green?

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Mulch [11]:

Pisskop, Monaco Towa

, Kaede Akamatsu,

TywinL, Maki Harukawa

, Assemblerotws,

Dunkerdoodles

, Transcend, Nagito Komaeda,

WhyMafia, Mulch

——— [LYNCH] ~ reference

I feel like scum would have tried to avoid this wagon like the plague. Still, there's probably one or two on it.

Kaede is the first place I'd look. (Similar to Kokichi I actually have a small townread on Assemble for how stupid his reasoning is.) Though I do have to echo the question as to why pisskop is green?

Eh.

Alisae went so hard on Mulch to the point where his death was inevitable. All the town wanted to trust him because Mulch is hard to read.

Also, if this is Multiball, how did each scum team know Mulch was flipping town? I do think Mulch reacted terribly but that's because he's Mulch aka one of the most bizarre players.

I don't think after that explosion, either hypothetical scum team could have ID'd him as town.

yes his death was inevitable, so scum would try to be off it for towncred. (this is assuming it's not multiball but I usually assume singleball until I see evidence otherwise)

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Beeboy should definitely claim whether or not he's BP/commuter. Don't think he has to fullclaim though.

Transcend I'm assuming that guilty was a lie right?

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I fail to see how that was stupid

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We lost a vig? Since when?

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Last I checked Kaede is (a) not necessarily a vig and (b) still alive.

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You don't believe Kaede's claim?

Not completely.

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Yeah something is not right here.

I am always right

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^Don't answer that

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There's also singleball with Kaede being scum and someone ELSE being vig, though that scenario will probably work itself out.

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lynching a vig claim without a hard guilty is stupid

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Yeah i do bye

2s watcher here you visited Alisae lol bye

But i didnt visit Alisae...
Goddamit there's a redirector in this game?

Wait but if there is, you should've seen the redirector too

@Mod: would a redirector appear to a watcher if they inspected either target?

I mean yeah that's a bad reaction, not because of the delayed realization but because it immediately assumes that Transcend is telling the truth.

But still, vig claim.

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Who'd you shoot?

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VOTE: Kaede

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What did she lie about?

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I don't follow. What role interactions?

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You got the answer that vig attempting to kill a hider WOULDN'T be seen by a tracker?

That makes no sense. About as much sense as it makes to shoot someone for misreporting the answer to a mod question that anyone can ask.

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Mod: If a vig shoots a player who is healed by a doctor, would a tracker see the vig go anywhere?

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Mod: Sorry to be annoying, but same question except with rolestopper instead of doctor

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Kaede isn't ascetic

Himiko got "no visit" not "no result"

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Hmm, maybe we'd have results if Kaede hadn't SHOT OUR TRACKER

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In the hood, I asked Kaede if I should be townreading Himiko, and she basically didn't give any reason why I shouldn't. I think Kaede has to be mafia or SK

I intend to vote her, but we should wait on the others to make sure there isn't any results or anything.

If i give any intent of shooting Himiko and there's scum in the hood what would've happened?

How many people are in said hood?

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I just mentioned it
Me, Koki, egg and tchill

Sorry, missed that.

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Why was Egg so resistant to read overnight if he's a neighbor? The entire argument that it's pointless if you die before you get a chance to share any of your thoughts doesn't apply then.

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Didn't piss soft a shot on Assemble?

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Didn't piss soft a shot on Assemble?

Where?

I don't know... you're in the hood, not me

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I'm pretty sure I know what role Assemble just softed. Unless he's got a Boon role.

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Oh, I believe you. You were mechanically confirmed to be not a vigilante anyway even without Pisskop's flip, thanks to you taking the credit for Himiko's death.

?

If you were actually a vigilante, the kill wouldn't have gone through.

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I don't believe Assemble is scum.

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Because his thoughts seem more spontaneous and genuine than they have been in games where he's been scum, and because I don't think as scum he softs the way he just did if he's in the hot seat the way he is.

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Also, I think there's a fair chance that Kaede is wolf.

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I don't think Assemble is the type to intentionally manipulate his meta.

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No, you should stop shooting obvtown PR's.

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I already apologized for that.

oh and apologizing for something means that it didn't happen, right

What is the evidence we have that Kaede is an SK again?

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Why would she not claim SK as wolf?

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Two scum factions + vig is just as possible as one scum faction + SK + vig.

Furthermore, Kaede really made it seem like it was multiball.

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Not Kaede. Nagito.

Damn anime alts.

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The thing is she is prob sk because who the fuck killed pisskop if it wasn't scum

Nagito's team?

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It kinda makes sense for there to be a mafia in one hood and a wolf in the other.

Why would she not claim SK as wolf?

All that does is delay their lynch 1 day

Why? Assuming town would be willing to leash an SK, it would delay Kaede's lynch until another werewolf flipped.

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So let's do both at once.

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Ok lets say kaede is scum and pretends to be sk. Town "leashes" them and correctly chooses a scum target so the jig is up the next day yeah?

If that happens, yes. But Kaede could be betting on that not happening, or they maybe just didn't think that far ahead.

And don't speculate on the number of town PR's, please.

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Unless Assemble and Transcend both claim you're never going to be able to sort them on setup spec.

And I definitely don't think Transcend should claim. Assemble, maybe, since he already softed pretty hard.

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Well, she basically caught a mafia member. So I think she'd not have claimed SK after having just bussed Nagito if they were teamed.

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Assemble is nearly obvtown for me.

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I'm mystified as to why anyone is doubting that claim.

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If I'm not mistaken, pisskop all but CC'd vig in the neighborhood and that's why he died. So Assemble targeting the vig claim was a perfect way to mechanically determine whether or not Kaede was vig.

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I just answered that.

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If I'm not mistaken, pisskop all but CC'd vig in the neighborhood and that's why he died. So Assemble targeting the vig claim was a perfect way to mechanically determine whether or not Kaede was vig.

But what if Assemble is scum buddies with Kaede?

Then Assemble never ever ever ever makes that fakeclaim.

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If I'm not mistaken, pisskop all but CC'd vig in the neighborhood and that's why he died. So Assemble targeting the vig claim was a perfect way to mechanically determine whether or not Kaede was vig.

But what if Assemble is scum buddies with Kaede?

Then Assemble never ever ever ever makes that fakeclaim.

Why

Because he'd be opening himself up to being contradicted no matter how you slice it. If he's actually a RB then he didn't really visit his buddy, and if he's not then he's screwed if he claims an RB on someone who then isn't RB'd. And there's no reason to make that fakeclaim, which obliquely implicates Kaede, rather than a more direct one like cop which would still allow Kaede to claim SK.

Fykus what is your response to Ass' claim

Hes either a scum rb, or hes telling the truth and youre scum

He's not a scum RB. He didn't block successfully block Kaede.

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Can we lynch Assemble or S_S. No need to lynch kaede, it's literally against our win condition, we need more shots at night.

Actually

it's literally PART of our win condition to kill all threats to the town?

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Actually, doesn't lynching Kaede benefit scum more than town?

Only if Kaede (a) actually follows through with her promise of trying to kill scum, (b), she has good enough reads to actually aim correctly, and (c) scum have no way to stop her from doing so.

Even if (a) is true (and there's a good chance that she is wolf and therefore that it isn't), I don't trust in (b) and (c) enough to believe it's worthwhile.

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Ite

VOTE: ass

I have never been town in a game with Fykus but I think he is town over Ass

why

also why can't they both be town? this is a Boon game.

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also why can't they both be town? this is a Boon game.

Actually this is kinda suspicious. I literally just talked about this in pt

It's not that original of a thought...

I reckon ass is scum jk that saved bee n1

But then Himiko would have seen Kaede visiting. That's why we think rolestopper.

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Ok yer rs seems plausible

What?

[Something_Smart]

Rolestopper not roleswap

Oh lmao I was gonna say.

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Sorry for saying bad but if i said obtuse i feel thatd imply that i think id be implying im conf town some how.

What i mean is your having these little digs at me now and then which imo could be you testing the waters to see if i could be lynched cause you know im easily lynchable

you're easily lynchable because you've done shit all and your claim is shaky at best.

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I pretty hard softed at trans so i figured i may aswell come out plus i thought i sounded a lot like a straight up jk

You did, and I thought that was your intent since that'd be your last ability.

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I doubt that Fykus and Assemble both have jailkeepers. I say lynch Assemble.

Why to both parts

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but assemble still will be the lynch lol

whyyyyyy

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At least I HAVE a case
(And meta is maybe half of it at most)
What's your case?

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Kaede's scumreads are shit; ergo, her presence will be anti-town even if she does everything as she said she would.

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Well you're not the one I'm trying to convince.

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Except we can't disregard Kaede's reads because she's going to be killing based on them. We can't straight up leash her because scum have a rolestopper, so if we keep her alive we need to allow her to use some element of her own judgement, meaning that her reads are relevant to the mechanically right play.

Furthermore, I have no interest in attempting to prove my innocence to a literally confirmed anti-town player. Even if I did, I'm quite confident that she would ignore me due to her ego and the fact that she doesn't actually have town's interests at heart.

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This also makes me quite certain that when i reveal everything im just gonna get lynched, town's probably gonna ignore my posts, and proceed to never lynch scum.

But you're not town. I agree that it can sometimes be a mistake to lynch town who fakeclaimed, but you're not town so fakeclaiming is your job.

So what do you care?

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Sadly, I have so little faith in humanity that I could actually see you being town here.
Even sadder is the fact that I'm actually considering that the most likely scenario right now.

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I know exactly what you're talking about. You think you've got everyone figured out and through your grand plan you'll get everyone to reveal their true colors, and then you'll be the hero of the town with a brilliant and unexpected tactic.

So basically, you're delusional.

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Unexpected tactics are necessary to catch scum in an information slip after all.
If they were expected they wouldnt work.

And yet... somehow no scum made any information slips.

I wonder why.

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But if you believe that i could be town, and am being an idiot, doesnt that imply that you should believe assemble is fake claiming since his JK should have worked?

No? I don't think you're a vig.

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No, I got it from Boon.

Pisskop

has died! They were a...

Spoiler:

Welcome,

Pisskop

, you are a

Town 2-shot Vigilante Neighbor

.

Abilities:

• You are in a neighborhood with [REDACTED] Here is the thread. You may post there whenever.

Win condition:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated and there is at least one town player alive.

Game thread is here. Confirm by replying to this PM with your role name.

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Did you get THAT information from Nagito?

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And you trust that... why?

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It's ok, you get used to it.

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Sorry if that came off as rude, by the way. (I felt a little bad typing it.) But I think humility is extremely important and that's about the first time so far you've displayed it.

I've done gambits and reaction tests (nothing as drastic as what you did, but they were still dumb) before I figured out that you can't game the system that way. You have to play the game the way it's meant to be played, and if you don't succeed, then you try again next time.

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And I am bad at this game. I have a head for logic, not emotion. But I've enjoyed the game a lot more since I've come to terms with it, and I've gotten mislynched a lot less

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All that aside, Kaede is still the right lynch though. I still don't believe Boon would have two vigs capable of shooting in the same night.

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What is different between his scum play and town play?

scum: potshots and stating reads

town: actual prodding and asking questions

this is of course a massive oversimplification. but I get the feeling that he's trying to solve rather than direct.

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If I'm not mistaken, pisskop all but CC'd vig in the neighborhood and that's why he died. So Assemble targeting the vig claim was a perfect way to mechanically determine whether or not Kaede was vig.

But what if Assemble is scum buddies with Kaede?

Then Assemble never ever ever ever makes that fakeclaim.

This made me laugh so hard btw.

Yeah, it is hilarious that I was trying to convince one werewolf why his two buddies couldn't be partners. (It's not the first time I've tried to convince scum that the scummate they're bussing is town, either...)

Though my reasoning for that was that it was a claim that would implicate Kaede but not strong enough to ensure that Kaede was lynched first. Because if Kaede were lynched first then Assemble would be in a great position being bulletproof and fairly trusted, but if Assemble were lynched first then it would have been a complete failure. And sure enough...

I don't regret anything though. Everyone should read our neighborhood; it was the highlight of the game for me, at least. (And I nailed so much setup spec in there )