Large Normal 209: BooneyToonz VI - Journey to Boon Island!

[UnaBombaH]

...this game so far... I feel like already skipping the RVS...

VOTE: Nagito Komaeda to start the RWS! (RandomWagoningStage)

[UnaBombaH]

I dislike srceen for scum, but he is also one of the guys I think I have never read correctly.
Transcend is taking so much spotlight that I doubt he is scum, but then again, he seems very confident in his own play anyway..
Mulch is town for now. (but he has fooled me just recently, so I don't love him unconditionally anymore)
WhyMafia is scum if he DOESN'T scumread me, and I don't scumread him. If we scumread each other, I can be fairly certain he is town too

Likely one scum in the above, just because I feel like not committing strongly to a read on any of them.
Unlikely more than one.

There's more than one scum in the anime-characters, but they all keep mixing and mashing in my eyes..
I'll try to claw the time for ISO'ing them one at a time tomorrow, and maybe I'll be able to distinct them soon.

(I also feel bad for all of my latest games because I haven't had the time, but I'm opening a new store this weekend, and after that I have more free time again. So going to try my best once I can shake most of the pressure at work!)

[UnaBombaH]

At the very least one scum in:
Maki Harukawa
Monaco Towa
Nagito Komaeda

Also: Fykus has entered the building.

[UnaBombaH]

Tywin and whymafia strongest town reads

Actually agree with this.

VOTE: UnaBombaH

...and called this ahead of time too!

Slight scumread on Una because of the way he went about doubting his reads.

This gives me townvibes.

Yep I bussed you caught me. So naive to be caught in the first 15 pages. Dang I'll try harder next time gg guys.

Trying to convey sarcasm, but could actually be scum noticing his own mistake with an obvious move.

Ok that's a start. I'm assuming I'm a TR and Una is a SR

..and here we have a type-example of the other side of the coin.
These are the kind of posts that always make me scumread WhyMafia, and I have yet to see him actually flip scum.
So even if most of my early posts were just shit to get reactions, me and WhyMafia scumreading each others content is something I can pretty much always count on..!
WhyMafia IS trying to gamesolve, and I think he is town for that, but this specific post is the type that will always ping me. Not sure what it is.

Why? I'm not this universally town read usually. This isn't directed to you personally, but I feel like a lot of people are just sheeping the active posters. Like Srceen's wagon exploded, and then town reads on me exploded, and now people are following me on UnaBombaH

..but good observations like this tell me he is definitely trying to solve the game.

So far WhyMafia, Mulch and Tywin seem town. Dog-King seems like a level-headed townie, but not a slot I think I'd even be able to sort myself.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: UnaBombaH

Okay~

Komaeda-kun. What do you think about UnaBombaH?

We are way past that now, what is your read on Uma?

VOTE: kaede

let's do this

No. But, what's your read on UmabombH?

Transcend, can you give us your UmabombaH read?

VOTE: Celestia

Brigade this

Noope. We should get Uma instead of her for now.

too many vanity votes for the doggos liking

i think it's high flying time we get another wagon poppin'

the question is.... who

Uma

This post is very awful, also it shows that he wanted to get out of RVS which brings me to the next post.

Because town!Una doesn't want RVS to end and also, if anything, that was an RVS-vote from me..

This post comes out of left field and is very awkward. There is no reasoning for it, and just seems like a post to make to make it seem like he's scum hunting, when in fact he isn't.

First good analytical point you made about me and that post.
Mulch already knows how I start my games though, so I can't drag a tunnel out of him anymore, but it definitely worked with you here.

And not discrediting your scumread on me or anything, but I had made as many as THREE posts at the time..solid detective work.

Oh, 2 quick votes on Una. I wasn't expecting that. My case isn't that strong. Why did you both decide to join me: @Kaede and @Maki ?

Maybe I suspected you too soon after all?

I think Something_Smart and UnaBombah need to be lynched though.

..nevermind.

[UnaBombaH]

I have never played with uma I heard from mastina he's was impressing her so Monica expects good things :3

You are the second person on site who refers this.
I'm fairly certain mastina was joking on my expense, and you just didn't get the joke!

I have a record of something like 1W/7L, and I get mislynched as town left and right..

[UnaBombaH]

So you initially said you could be wrong on you cause I noticed 2 quick votes on you, but then say you were right on me cause I still want you lynched? That just screams OMGUS. You also haven't even given a reason as to why I'm scum other than the posts I made about you.

...wait?
Have I even voted you yet?

Time to make things right and move on from my RWS-vote.... I'll try to VOTE: Something_Smart

[UnaBombaH]

..I'm off to sleep now, try not to make 20+ pages within the night, ok?

[UnaBombaH]

Catching up in ~12 hours (after work)

[UnaBombaH]

...I'm trying to catch up to this game, but every time I get to reading, there's at least 5 new pages.
So it all muddies up.

What seems to be the most important thing is around the whole fakeclaim-shenanigans, so I'll TRY to read that again tomorrow, and give my read on it.

Also: I love Eddie, no way I'm scumreading him this game!

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Kaede

I've been sleeping, and yet again the amount of pages appearing meanwhile..

I'm currently on this post, will continue from here within few hours.

[UnaBombaH]

Ok lemme get this straight
We have Assemble, who has claimed loyal JK
We have Kaede who has claimed SK and confirmed to have a gun
We have Fykus, who has claimed JOAT

Assemble acts as a pseudo-invest as well. After thinking about it, I believe we let him live until he gets a guilty. If the other person flips town, we know Assemble is scum and gg wp. If Assemble just happens to get a guilty out of luck, we keep using him. Scum has to eventually kill him. I believe scum have a rolestopper, but probably not a role blocker.

We have Fykus who hasn't claimed his other JOAT abilities and claimed JOAT for ??? reasons

We have Kaede who if scum, can keep killing for us. She's 99% confirmed not mafia. That leaves the second scum team or SK. If we have her as the second scum team, we will keep getting 2 kills and being none the wiser as that can be attributed to single-ball. However, if it truly is multi-ball, then we're forcing her faction to appease town. However, it's in scum's interest to shoot the opposing team as well. Therefore, she'll make decent kills. When do we lynch her? Probably we set a deadline at D5

If she's SK, then we still lynch her D5. However, if we get a second scum faction flip, I believe it's highly likely that Kaede is paired with them.

Tl,DR
Why did Fykus claim?
We keep Assemble alive till guilty
We keep Kaede alive till D5

Are there flaws to this?

Phew, been riding alongside work until now, and this helped me clear my own thoughts too
So much flailing around..

[UnaBombaH]

UNVOTE: All
I'm confused and need to think on this

[UnaBombaH]

1. Fykus is town
2. Dunkerdoodles is town
3. TywinL is town
4. WhyMafia is town
5. Assemblerotws is scum
6. UnaBombah is scum
8. Srceenplay is town
9. Egg Celestia Ludenberg is scum
10. Tchill13 is town
12. Kaito Momota is null
13. skirt skirt Chisa Yukizome is town
18. Something_Smart is town
20. Kaede Akamatsu is sk
21. Kokichi Oma is scum

For future use: I think Transcend might have botched here if he is scum..DOMINATOR or not.

[UnaBombaH]

OK, up to date.

NO IDEA who actually hard-claimed and what, but I'm not gonna take part in that activity until called upon by the majority.
I can believe the Dominator-claim, excited to see what happens.
Dunkers enabler-claim was likely a joke..?

[UnaBombaH]

I think we should let Kaede, Fykus and Assemble live for one more day.

I can't figure out if Kaede is SK or wolf. Fykus and Assemble's claims are both kinda bad but I don't know which one is fake.

You don’t let a wolf live. If you are not sure you find out.

I'd be willing to leash a SK if this wasn't a setup where we can't even be sure if it's single-/multiball.
I think we only get WIFOM'd to a swamp tomorrow if there are any wonky kills or interactions at night.

Remember this:
Kaede might say she is willing to kill for us, but if she is a Mafia-member, it only means they can use her for their NK tonight and we get no value out of potential protects/trackings etc..

Correct me if I'm wrong.

[UnaBombaH]

OK, up to date.

Any other thoughts?

Just posted.

Trying to figure out the optimal way to move onwards from here.
I think we just can't risk not lynching you here..

I think the potential negative scenarios outweight the positives, but I might be very much wrong.
I'm still the newbiest n00b in this game!

[UnaBombaH]

What info did you get?

[UnaBombaH]

You'd need to be a quite weak-minded person to be influenced against your own will..?

Like, make a conscious decision that you will disregard Kaede's reads, and that is that.

I, for one, would like for Kaede to write as much as possible right now.
If she is scum trying to mislead, it leaves the track she tried to lead us on for later observation. Trying to forge logic into complete nonsense isn't easy..
If she is genuinely trying to help town, we will notice that at some point when we get more flips or investigation-results.

[UnaBombaH]

...does anyone have a cohesive view of this game at this point?
All these claims and fakeclaims have messed me up.

I feel like we are not discussing reads anymore: we are discussing potential setups and roles, likelyhoods for hoods having scum in them and believable balance.
ECH.

If we were to let Kaede live another day, how do we ever confirm her alignment, if not by lynching? (just curious)

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: eddie cane

I'd vote Eddie for President of Earth, rather than for lynch.

[UnaBombaH]

My townread of WhyMafia is slowly fading.

Same here.
And I would like to point out that he still scumreads me.
It's at a point where it doesn't matter what I write, he scumreads it..

[UnaBombaH]

If you agree or disagree with my conclusions, why, etc?

I'm more interested in how you got there..

I think we got so many claims and "claims" today, that it interferes with my reads.
I previously had a scumhunch on Kokichi, but not anymore.
I scumread you, so your whole claim-sequence has left me baffled..
I think tonights kill(s) will open everything more for me.

[UnaBombaH]

There's been the theories of multiball or SK lying around, I'd argue that anyone that believed i was SK without consideration is mostly town who have no access to inside information.

I'm not entirely sure I follow you here.
This sentence, to me, implies that YOU know this is multiball..?
Because if you are willing to townread people who have no inside-knowledge, and therefore not aware of this game NOT having an SK(??)...it would mean that you know there is no SK..?..?

Think of it the other way around: lets assume you are town!vig for now.
Lets assume there is only one Maf-team, and for whatever mechanical reason they know they are the only team.

Wouldn't they react the same way as any townie, to your SK-claim?

And to add more: even if Mafia-guys knew there were two teams, WHY WOULD THEY POINT OUT THE POSSIBILITY OF YOU BEING SCUM?
Wouldn't they just stubbornly insist you have to be lynched for that SK-claim?

Now who are the ones that thought i could be wolf?

This thought could come as an option to anyone who is willing to humor alternate-scenarios.
I thought of this too, because I couldn't see you as an SK admitting to being an SK. If that makes sense.
Your posts where you said you are so very willing to help town, felt like not playing to your win-condition.

[UnaBombaH]

Like wtf you're not even curious to why I SR you, didn't even respond to anyone's analysis of your first posts, and make me look like a tunneler

My first posts are pretty much always there to poke people.
If I get lynched for 1-5 posts in the beginning of the game, then real scum are playing well if people honestly can't read beyond my entrance.
Anyone's analysis about my first posts were likely more or less correct, if they said I came across forced or whatever, but that should be behind us now.
It's not like I couldn't help myself but to post suspicious shit early game, and then magically get better during the game!

I'm not making you out to look like a tunneler, but you have this habit of scumreading me.
I'm not a proud player, so I'm willing to admit that it's because of the way I write/play in general, no because of you.
Doesn't change the fact that I think you have scumread me in every game we have crossed paths..

[UnaBombaH]

Let's keep going, then. You're the one who's going to flip red/whatever color Boon gives SKs, I'm green all the way.
VOTE: KAEDE
Reaffirming this. Skirt Skirt can wait.

^^L-1.

Are we ready to let the day end, no last pointers from anyone?

[UnaBombaH]

Some neat options include Una, Egg, Kokichi

So killing me is bad for scum AND town?
I like it.

[UnaBombaH]

ate isn't necessarily scummy

just amusing /if/ she's scum and thinks it'll get her out of a lynch

I feel like she is in a spot, where as scum, the best "defense/deflect" is to say "I deserve to be lynched ".
It has made me second guess my read on her multiple times within the last game day.

..until I realized something:
If she is town, the best she could do would be to drop every drop of emotion and go for hard facts and cold reads.
That is what we get the most out of if she flips green.
This self-pitying, while understandable, doesn't help us when she is eventually lynched.
We need to eliminate to WIFOM sooner or later anyway.

[UnaBombaH]

Kokichi Oma - why is the whole game townreading this slot again?

I haven't declared such a read.

[UnaBombaH]

Uh I did do that yesterday.
Regardless I already scum claimed, so...

I like to post WHILE READING nowadays, so I hadn't gotten to the part where you admitted being scum..!
Makes me look like a doofus at times, I know..

[UnaBombaH]

I previously had a scumhunch on Kokichi, but not anymore.

You said this, Unabomb. What changed?

Got a bit used to your flavor.
Agreed with few of your posts.
Ech..I play a lot with gutfeels, and I mainly struggle with wording them.

I'm explicitly NOT townreading you, but you started as one of my strongest scumreads.
Normally when I sub into a game, these hunches have been very accurate.
But I also noticed few games ago, that when I'm in from the start, I always miss 1-3 reads that feel certain..

In short: I'm more or less undecided on you.
A lot will depend on who dies tonight.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Kaede

This is scum.

[UnaBombaH]

Not in a hood.
Not in any PT for that matter.

I think "ne-hee-hee" -animoo is overplaying a character, or trying to backpedal EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. they soft a role or noticing a "slip" or whatever.
I think I'm back to listing them as scum, just so I can say tomorrow I want to them lynched..

[UnaBombaH]

You don't get to make that kind of a call

I call 'em like I see 'em.

Don't you come here telling me what I can call or not.

[UnaBombaH]

So that was the hammer?

Lassie dominates tonight, and tomorrow we wonder about the hoods and the two scumteams, right?

[UnaBombaH]

Not in a hood.

Not in any PT for that matter.

I think "ne-hee-hee" -animoo is overplaying a character, or trying to backpedal EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. they soft a role or noticing a "slip" or whatever.
I think I'm back to listing them as scum, just so I can say tomorrow I want to them lynched..

Lol at the bolded.

Me signaling for my scumbuddy that we can't day-talk anymore.
They didn't get the memo.

[UnaBombaH]

--on November 9th (my birthday!).

(Mod left the thread open, better congratulate Boon real quick before I go to sleep!)

HAPPY BIRTHDAY BOON!

You're a good guy (I think), have a good day!
Unlike this bozo of a mod who left the thread open before the night even ended..!
Such a loser!
A total idiot.
N00B of a mod.

[UnaBombaH]

Una is a useless lurker.

Love you too.

[UnaBombaH]

Vote Unabomb

I actually think this is our best chance to hit scum. He's really my last scum read still alive and he makes sense with either team unless I'm missing something.

Out of the left field..

Eddie also already cased me: I'm a useless lurker, not scum.

I'd be interested in hearing WHY you scumread me?

[UnaBombaH]

I mean these are his only Nagito mentions:

...this game so far... I feel like already skipping the RVS...

VOTE: Nagito Komaeda to start the RWS! (RandomWagoningStage)

At the very least one scum in:
Maki Harukawa
Monaco Towa
Nagito Komaeda

Also: Fykus has entered the building.

An RVS vote and a possible Rule of 3 post.

His Assemble "mentions" (Ctrl+f) are pretty much all inside of quotes.

His Kaede interactions seem mostly fine, but I don't see any reason they CAN'T be scum together either.

Ah, nevermind.
So you think I'm scum by association because I didn't scumread assemble, but did mention Nagito in a group of three players where I wanted to find scum?

How about you use your "rule of whatnot" to find one scum in the below:

I dislike srceen for scum, but he is also one of the guys I think I have never read correctly.
Transcend is taking so much spotlight that I doubt he is scum, but then again, he seems very confident in his own play anyway..
Mulch is town for now. (but he has fooled me just recently, so I don't love him unconditionally anymore)
WhyMafia is scum if he DOESN'T scumread me, and I don't scumread him. If we scumread each other, I can be fairly certain he is town too

Likely one scum in the above, just because I feel like not committing strongly to a read on any of them.
Unlikely more than one.

..should be easier now that we have had some flips?
If my gutread on the first pages was correct, there's one scum there - just like there was one in the other list I made.

[UnaBombaH]

he's a suspect for SURE but he really could just be lynchbait town

i had a bad feeling about a wagon that formed on him d1

like my spidey senses said no even though his posting was horrid and still is horrid

..everytime I think I can get out of the kiddie-pool..

So yet again back to Rome! (this was the response I got in my first Normal game too..)

[UnaBombaH]

Why don't any of y'all wanna lynch TChill

I'm still willing to keep you as a townread, so why not?

[UnaBombaH]

But Unabomb could be wolf or mafia. And your numbers show wolf lynch is best.

I can't be either. Am town.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm not stupid even if my play seems bad at times, it's just that I'm still trying to learn what people scumread on this site, and what not.
And before people jump on that being something only scum say, nah.
Most of being a good townie on this site is being able to towntell yourself, and then getting NK'd or lynched anyway. ("obvious" townie/paranoia)

I think my biggest problem on forum-mafia is that I'm way more "complete" in my communication when I can use facial expressions and actual tone.
Trying to convey tone by text...ech.

[UnaBombaH]

318 is easier to TRY and explain, mostly it's just gutfeels that form over multiple posts.

Scum reading someone due to there alt gimmick is pretty shallow don't you think?

pedit: oh look now 2

This was the first post from Nagito to ping me - somehow that "pedit" felt fake and unnecessary.
Like trying to convey a chill attitude, but actually wanting to start diverting attention as soon as possible.

rp aside how do you feel about Transcend? I'm happy to call him scum at the moment, his light shade while doing no isn't helping and is just adding fuel to a fire.
Pedit: Are you scumreading him for a gimmick...oh boy.

It is the best vote atm.

+

Maki is doing town stuff.

^^made me turn my attention to Maki too.

Dunk why nagito over the others that have filtered?

..which made me spot the above.

I have nothing else to add so unless you have a question for me I'm gonna lurk on out.

Felt unnecessary, and then a long radio-silence.

So at this point I had a hunch for Nagito and or Maki, and thought that possibly Nagito was buddying Maki.
The other way around, Maki could've been a scum who pops in, gives something little in terms of pointers, and then leaves as not to give away too much.

{Kokichi, Mulch, Smart, Maki} T
{Dunker} null-S
{transcend} S

This list didn't help Nagitos stocks from my POV.

Monaca had been silent during all of this, and then when se finally arrives:

OH MY GOD I HAVE FINALLY GOT POSTING POWERS YAAAAAAAAY!

Maybe NAI, but obviously wanted to make sure everyone noticed her arrival.

I was kinda wierded out by Nagito's read on Doggo but I actually somewhat liked his explanation for it and he is probably my strongest TR atm.

On her actual entrance. Pinged me hard. Possible pocketing/buddying and made no sense to me.

Also have you altguessed me yet?
You should have by now :3
(Keep your alt guess to yourself plz ty)

Distracting from any little scumhunting that was (maybe) going to happen.
Also to note: Monaca took no further stance on Nagito, and no stance at all towards Maki.
Monaca joined the conversation, and didn't even try to establish a larger view: she only took sides on the conversations that were already going on.

So three early scumreads, all for somewhat different reasons. I was also trying to be realistic when I said that only one of them likely was scum, but Nagito+Maki or Nagito+Monaca were possibilities in my head.

[UnaBombaH]

Specifically i don't like how in 317 you gave some town reads but with each one, announced a negative quality that would allow you to wiggle out of it if necessary. I also don't like the "probably 1 but no more than 1 scum" ordeal

I can try and point out why I scumread/townread each of you specifically, but that is going to take so much time, I'm not gonna do it at work.

In short:

That is just the kind of player who I am.
I constantly struggle with myself about my reads.
There are times when I'm completely wrong about my them, but pig-headedly keep pushing. And times when I'm so very uncertain even if I have the right reads all the way, and others support them.

All I can say, is that whenever I roll scum on this site (that Traitor-game doesn't count! ) I'm gonna get caught for being too certain about my reads, if anything.

[UnaBombaH]

Until you've really mastered some things, dont try to look town as town. Just find scum and let your play speak for itself.

This makes me wonder about you..
I am NOT trying to look town.
I AM trying to find scum, and hope to come across as town at the same time, but I've learned I sacrifice the latter every time I try to explain the first!

My way of scumhunting is all about analyzing interactions, so often I end up drawing attention to myself, and then observe how people act around wagoning me.

[UnaBombaH]

also kokichi already claimed so i don't know who's left to claim

I think this is why everyone should just claim on their 1st post when they catch up.

I'm a VanillaTownie.

[UnaBombaH]

Transcend - Town Dominator

I have a question about this.
You have claimed Town Dominator a long time ago, yes, but WHAT EXACTLY is the description.
You lead us to believe you can't be NK'd anymore, is that correct?
And is that the full extent of your power? (I assume you can't directly quote, but try to be precise please)

Why I'm asking, is because I feel like anyone could just claim Town-BlerghaDerk and there couldn't be any counterclaims..?

[UnaBombaH]

I guess we alsonhave you claiming n4+ deathproof but I don't realllly believe your claim and regardless that's still not enough at all

I distrust Collies claim too.

I'm trying to figure out what it means AI-wise though.

[UnaBombaH]

VOTE: Una This is my most sure read since day 1. So, I should stick with it.

No, this is the one mislynch you are hoping to be able to push through today.

[UnaBombaH]

Actually wait
Assemble vs Kaede could've been SvS theatre

+points for WhyMafia not being wolf

I think it's UnaBombaH or DunkerDoodles

+points for that one post at this point of the game?
I don't think Dunker is scum, and I am neither..so I guess I need to make my own PoE list.

[UnaBombaH]

I mean Dunkerdoodle brought up that he pushed on Kaede too so it narrows down to Una for me, why do you think they're green

If I were to be scum, I wouldn't not push on my buddies at all.
With your logic, I would be more likely to be Mafia than Wolf, but I'm not that either.

Also Dunker having to point out they were on Kaede reads more scummy to me, than being/not being on Kaede does.

I'd say Kaito/Kokichi could even be Wolf/Mafia.

[UnaBombaH]

i mean wolf pool is basically (kaito, una) so

if transcend fakeclaimed "the dominator" i'm going to be very mad

This actually aligns with my read.

So Kokichi/Kaito is the lynch for today?

If we hit one more wolf, is it worse for us than hitting a Mafia?

[UnaBombaH]

Im happy lynching mafia and hoping for a cross shot rather than highball, hit town, and be just as fucked.

Can you translate this to a newbie?

[UnaBombaH]

Ready to kill kokichi

OK, then I guess I am too.
VOTE: Kokichi Oma

Also sorry for the spam, I'm going to sleep now and wanted to catch up before.
I might be busy for the next ~30 hours, so wanted to participate before just in case

[UnaBombaH]

Anyone else notice unabomb making a self preservation vote but acting like he's finding real reasons to vote kokichi?

I never had any trouble voting here, but I have still been torn on that slot for the entire game.

It's the kind of "wifom" (not exactly that in this case I think?), where you think no scum would act so blatantly scummy and fake..but then again..but then again..and so on.

[UnaBombaH]

Ok, read the latest pages now.
What Kokichi HAS MANAGED TO DO, is that he has made me more paranoid of Eddie.
Guess I'll throw everything out there right now and face the consequences later if there are any.

In my experience Town!

Eddie

isn't least bit worried about potential scum!Una, and would be very certain of my alignment if I were to be scum.
So either he isn't as confident in his reads as I have previously seen, or he could be scum.
(last time he threw out any suspicion towards me he was scum with Boon in The Apartment.)

Not doing una today. Admittedly, don't townread him enough to call you dumb for voting him but I feel better not.

and

Kokichi is maf, egg could be the partner, una could be wolf I guess.

..are more aligned to him being town though. Just based on how I view him as a player.
I'd love to trust Eddie, I value his townplay rather highly.

Transcends

claim should not be true, not ever. Based on what others have said, and what I skimmed from his previous games, there could be a very wacky role behind the "dominator", but I assume not immortality.
I see two possible scenarios for his claim:
A) scum who needed a reason for not being killed while being townread and a claimed PR
B) townie with a protective role who wants more rounds to act
I called him out in the very early game:

Transcend is taking so much spotlight that I doubt he is scum, but then again, he seems very confident in his own play anyway..

I'm not sure if playing like this early game aligns with him becoming immortal Night 4. (opinions?)
I had a feeling he was either very cocky scum, or a very confident townie, but was he putting himself in a risk of getting NK'd/lynched?

Dunker

seems to be a lot more confident than what I have previously seen from him, but his latest postings were very good IMO.
Hard to say whether he is especially certain on Kokichi, or he's scum. (and these aren't mutually exclusive in this game, just to note!)
I think I'm more comfortable townreading Dunker for now, but it seems(?) people have somehow made PoE's to limit the scumpool(s) very narrow.
I'm not scum, and if Dunker is not scum, then..?

--TO BE CONTINUED TONIGHT--

[UnaBombaH]

The above post does not earn town points from Eddie

I'm sure it doesn't.

Wait 'till I get time to write something from all the rest too.

[UnaBombaH]

Today they're conf town and scum can kill them if they want. Tomorrow they're scum who hid their claim and even if town might get mislynched. Plus, if no doc claim outs, I'm doing setup spec stuff.

I just realized who is this protective role (if there really is one).

Eddie: just tell me who you THOUGHT might claim it (and if you had no real "suspect", make a guess).
This potentially helps me sort you and possibly one other slot as town.

[UnaBombaH]

Not until every player has hard denied it. If they don't claim it before I call them out they aren't town.

Correct.
Looking forward to it.

[UnaBombaH]

WhyMafia

was one of the more sound townreads in this game, which obviously created the wifom of why he hasn't been NK'd yet to a paranoid mind like mine.
Especially with two scum-factions, I'd think it's fairly unlikely that neither team thought he'd be a good kill..but I guess that's just how newbies think.

But now just skimming his latest posts (which is what I did with the previous three slots), I'd say I'm starting to change my mind.

Agree on kaito
Meh on Una/Dunker/Kokoichi
TChill is a scumfuck
Need to re-read egg

I dislike this post simply because he is willing to agree on Kaito being town (this was an answer to Transcend saying they think Kaito is town), and TChill being scum.
He doesn't commit on "Una/Dunker/Kokoichi" and says he needs to re-read Egg.
It was only two days ago, but at least so far he hasn't taken a stance on that slot.

I do agree with Egg that I don't like Una's recent posting ... albeit that doesn't mean much in regards to Kokoichi's alignment

What he has done, however, is notice that I'm going to be one of the easiest mislynches for today, so he is willing to go there...based on Eggs posts.

I feel more comfortable voting una now dammit
Necessity there is to think. Convince me, everyone must

I wasn't kidding early game when I said WhyMafia is town if he scumreads me as town, but at this point somethings gotta give.
No idea how to "towntell" to him though.

Using his post as a bridge to another slot:

Albeit TChill is likely to be Mafia ... if we were to go off setup spec

Even if my view on WhyMafia is shifting, I still tend to agree with this post. Although

TChill

tends to always post in a similar pattern: radio-silence for a lengthy period, and then a few posts ranging from non-committal to committing but "not caring".

ok someone give me a legit place to start my catch up and i will do so.

No, you won't.

yeah i could see una and whymaf. whymaf more so because it looked like he was hoping id be the easy lynch of the day.

Interesting that you could see me+WhyMafia as a team..?
Was it just because your buddy Kaito made his astonishing PoE?
I'd say me and WhyMafia are never on the same scumteam this game, not with how I started the game..

Skirt I don't know if you mean me or not but I claimed truthfully. I'm not a doc.

I'm interested in this post. For whatever reason

Egg

thought Eddie might've directed their accusations towards him. Somehow I got a towny vibe from this, but it also felt somehow..unnecessary. He made it look like he had such a strong towny feel that he needed to step forward and deny being doc.

GOT AN IDEA HERE, WILL POST IT WHILE THIS IS STILL IN PROGRESS.

Because unabomb is more likely wolf and could be mafia. Kokichi is probably not wolf.

I still don't like the logic of me possibly being on either scumteam, but IMO I would be way more likely to be a wolf, than Mafia.

^I second this. WhyMafia has felt pretty obvtown for a while.

He did, but it's not as obvious anymore.

Anyone else notice unabomb making a self preservation vote but acting like he's finding real reasons to vote kokichi?

I think I already poked at this, but the "observation" here might be genuinely towny.

Yet you honestly believe I'm either scum with kokichi or scum white knighting kokichi? Think about how much sense that makes for a second.

I'm not sure if this is Egg trying to sort/poke at Eddie, or if he's just genuinely irritated by his read on their interactions.
But this doesn't feel scummy to me.
So I like Egg for town now too.

[UnaBombaH]

Going to floorball practice now, then sleep.
I'll be back tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

If you're calling yourself an easy-mislynch, don't you understand why I scum read you in the first place?

You see, I do understand.
I tried to format your part in that post to be as provocative as possible, to see whether you A) even react to it B) pull a fit and do something rash.

I'm fairly confident calling WhyMafia and Eddie town for today, Egg is almost winning me over.

[UnaBombaH]

Bad progression

False, I'm not progressing at all.

I wanted to hear who was your pick for being the protective.
I can only think of two slots that could do it at this point, and it would still make sense to me.

[UnaBombaH]

I will note, una posting elsewhere rn and not having checked in doesn't bode well.

Reading everything and digesting, don't you worry about me.
Just finished reading your long post for the third(?) time, and I think I got the gist of it.

For whatever reason I'm now very invested in this game, and I have a feeling this can actually be solved with some patience.

[UnaBombaH]

so, to be honest, I don't give a shit what alignment this lynch hits,

either I look good faking a guilty

, I incentivize cross killing, or transcend is magically a wolf and the best case scenario happened (lol).

Bolding my own..

I wasn't even initially willing to believe your guilty on Trans, but I have no trouble believing he is scum.

But please, do humor me: who did you think would come forth as the protective role for town last day?

[UnaBombaH]

The Dominator or you

OK then Eddie, assume I would claim protective today in order to solve the game further (JUST AN ASSUMPTION HERE, MIND YOU), would you still hold on to your promise to lynch me for not coming out yesterday? (or any other reason for that matter?)

[UnaBombaH]

As for yesterday specifically, I wanted to instill doubt into the scum's minds and make them believe there was more power out there (which there obviously was) and that I am not said power. That's why I was so focused on the claiming and etc.

Believe it or not, I saw through this. That is why I tried to play by your rules, even though I knew where that power is.
There is still likely a Boon-role in this game, but it's not me.

I need to think how the lone wolf would act in this situation, and I think that long post from Eddie might help me understand it.
What other townies need to understand, is that we are the ones who can't afford a quick day and a mislynch with no thought put to it.
So please unvote for now, and let's try and find each other before that.
I do think that if either/both scum get through today without getting one of them lynched, they will likely win after tonight.

[UnaBombaH]

At one point this game was fun

But now it's a steaming pile of doodoo

Maybe something to "doodoo" with people not posting much?

[UnaBombaH]

I would actually love to solve this game, but I'm not sure I'm as good of a detective as you Lassie..

[UnaBombaH]

what does an una scum game look like btw

No one knows yet!
My only "sort of scum" -roll on this site was a Traitor in a recent Large.
I named my whole team while trying to signal to them, got vigged N1 because I tried to defend a flaking Vedith who flipped scum, and that way revealed my whole team
(I still don't trust that explanation from the vig btw, he just got lucky )

So in short: I'm simply dashing as scum!

[UnaBombaH]

Aka everyone not mafia, yea. But, una is the best bet I think. Also might be forced to consider dunker cause I think he loses it for us if he's town and we do hit wolf.

Eddie is a good townplayer.
He knows I'm not a good player.
Him thinking I might be wolf here worries me just a tad bit.

[UnaBombaH]

Well, I never got better in this game.

[UnaBombaH]

I was fairly certain Kokichi flipped scum yesterday!
I had to re-check page 1 multiple times to convince myself that never happened..
Just re-read a bunch on my break and was reading everything from the POV he was scum and thought I was getting somewhere..only to realize I'm completely lost!

I'm in my paranoid state of mind.
You/Eddie sort of need to have at least one scum in you.
I had this same feeling in The Apartment between Boon and Eddie.

They both held scum there and endgamed us.

[UnaBombaH]

you post a lot of words and hedge a lot from memory, i was in that game.

I don't understand this.
I know and remember you were in that game..?
Or maybe you didn't understand my point there - I don't think my first actual scumgame will be anything like that Traitor-game.

[UnaBombaH]

because we wanted you to think that

So I ever really got even close because you wanted me to? Thanks.

and transcend is scum, but irrelevant rn. we want wolf. he's mafia.

Let's put it like this then: you think Trans is 100% scum?
Which is worse for us today: accidentally lynching town or actually hitting mafia?
Neither is apparently optimal, but which is worse?

[UnaBombaH]

Ok then Eddie, let's forget everything else for now and try to work together.
I have a feeling that IF Trans is mafia, then you were right and Egg actually is too. He doesn't even care if you have made the connection: his weird ass fakeclaim got him this far and they still have superior numbers compared to wolfs.
I bet he feels confident we miss wolf tonight and is either going for the shared win or thinks he knows how to manipulate the wolfs NK so that Mafia gets a solowin.

I'm going to wildly skip caution and paranoia now because I'm getting annoyed.
So with your reads I PoE out Trans, Egg, you and me.
We are at the trio that has already been discussed a lot: WhyMafia, Dunker, Kaito.

Out of the three, I'd say anyone could be scum for me, but specifically a wolf?

I think WhyMafia is a good candidate: he got townread early and waffled a bit with his read on assemble.
IIRC he was also one of the players advocating we save him.
I think he got towncred(?) for coming up with the notion that Kaede/assemble could have been S/S, but it would've been easy at that point to throw it on the table just in case..
He has also dropped his intensity a bit, or at least that's how I see it, and it would fit the profile of him wanting to surf this day through and take the shared victory tomorrow.

I'll try to find time and ISO him tomorrow after I'm done at work.

[UnaBombaH]

I think you being a dog sort of takes away your ability to know whether your PM was actually red or green.

[UnaBombaH]

Tin foil

This is wolf that didn't mention me having a yellow pm since he has the final yellow pm

Tin foil

This was written by a wolf who had that exact thought BECAUSE he has the yellow one.

[UnaBombaH]

If I am the lynch today then I'm gonna be pissed.
Just woke up, on mobile, will try to ISO WhyMafia/Kaito today.
Dunkers is obv. on the table too, but is the least wolf in my mind for whatever reason.

[UnaBombaH]

wolf and scum can't joint can they?

What state are they in?
I mean, for medical purposes..

[UnaBombaH]

I want unabomb.

This alone should tell that Egg is scum - he has still to say why me over Dunker/WhyMafia/Kaito.
I know PoE is an actual thing, but just saying "I did PoE - you are scum" is the equivalent of "I'm not interested enough in this game to do the effort".

I thought this game was sort of getting better at the end of last day, but since Kokichi didn't flip scum, it feels like we are so so boned..

I also feel like discussing future nightkills at this point only helps scum, so I'd rather not do it further.

[UnaBombaH]

That doesn't make you town

No, I bet it doesn't..
This is such a weird position to be in - if I only knew who the remaining scum exactly are, I could make sure we win no matter who we lynch.

[UnaBombaH]

Go ahead.

[UnaBombaH]

And at those times you are correct.

[UnaBombaH]

I think this is a literal scum claim, lmao

No, I wouldn't claim scum at a time like this.

[UnaBombaH]

Where una wants to quick hammer me with the other scum and get the free joint win because dunker is an idioy

Nope, I will NK you tonight.

[UnaBombaH]

What I find hilarious is that we no longer need a Boon-role in this game, after having to players fake-claim one.
Also the fact that this has lead me to declare that one of you is likely scum, and yet again no impact.

[UnaBombaH]

So what does that post mean?

It means that Town has a lot better chance to win if we lynch in Dunker/Kaito/WhyMafia.

[UnaBombaH]

Dunker isn't "townier" than me, he just decides to say less, which often leads to pressure relieving in games like this.
WHICH IS WHY I think WhyMafia also makes more sense as wolf - he lost two buddies already so he just wants this day to end so that he can slide to victory tonight.

[UnaBombaH]

I just realized that if you are both Maf, you too have reason to pull off theater like this, because you really want to know who the wolf is.

[UnaBombaH]

I still don't get where una comments me being scummy for first not strongly reading him and then stating a scumread on him. In the two games I've been town against him I misread him once and barely read him the other (got vigged n1). Seems like him looking for a reason to throw shade around

I mean, I'm always bad at putting my reads to words.
It's gut, and I just alluded to the fact that we have had SOME shared experiences, and the feeling I have this game reminded me of those.
I believe there's merit of having a similar experience and gutread on a player from a previous game, and it's a feeling that is hard to shake.
Like I had two very much identical LyLo-situations with RC a while back.
He replaced into both of those games, he was scum in both - they happened within a week or few from each other.
I just had the strongest feeling he was scum in both - in the other I held the hammer and lynched him, in the other he got the hammer in the end, after making me question my reads and my existence.
So my initial read that was ridiculed both times was correct both times.

Try to understand that me being paranoid and wanting to keep the chance of scum!Eddie open doesn't mean jackshit when it comes to actually REALIZING something logical.
But until I find a clear path that I can follow by myself..

I'd still say WhyMafia could be the wolf.

[UnaBombaH]

I slept over this, and I'm even more certain now that even if we land Maf for todays lynch, we can still win.

@Eddie - which is your strongest mafia-read? Trans?
I propose we vote for him, just the two of us, and we see what happens.

[UnaBombaH]

OK, going to say this before I watch a movie/go to sleep: Mafia has every reason to hammer this off now.
So if you are town and haven't voted yet, don't.

I have intent to hammer within 12 hours though, will be interested in seeing if I wake up to a night or (still) a L-1.
I also have something important to share before nightfall/D7, so please hold your hammers town!

[UnaBombaH]

Urgh my trigger finger makes me want to lynch you wm

W.e

Voopvoop dienker

Yea, Transcend-WhyMafia would also make sense here.

[UnaBombaH]

Una saying he wants to talk in twilight worries me because there is only scum motive for that (claiming and directing kills).

You already unvoting worries me.

I was actually looking forward to seeing who unvotes first.
Sad to say that you unvoted before Trans did, so there was no incentive for him to do it anymore.

I'm not sure whether it's because you want to reaction-test and analyze so hard that you don't leave much room for anyone else to test anything.

Thinking time for me too, will return tomorrow.

[UnaBombaH]

As WW, if he lynches 1 member of mafia, that leaves only 1 member of mafia left. That means if he has a successfully kills the last member of mafia tonight, he's pretty set. Or is that wrong.

No, this is exactly what I was thinking too.
If Dunk is the last wolf, he wants the other remaining mafia lynched to have leverage.

If we lynch town today, the remaining wolf can't claim at twilight because mafia can just kill him and likely still win.
Obviously that would lead us to a "normal LyLo", which is the best route for town, so maybe Mafia wouldn't do it but..ech.
At least the way I see it, the wolf can't claim first(?).

If we lynch mafia today, the remaining wolf/mafia could claim IF they want to gambit for a joint win.
I'm still not sure why Eddie thinks it will happen 100% of the time, because it still relies on the two scumteams trusting each other.
If I were scum this game, I'd double cross the other scum if they claimed at twilight before me.
But then again, I never liked the idea of kingmaking or joint wins in Mafia.

If we lynch the last wolf today, the two remaining scum will lead us into a normal LyLo, so that is the solution that relies the least on luck/NK's going our way.
This IS the best solution for us, obviously, but saying that scum will never crosskill and WILL always work together is stretching it a bit..

[UnaBombaH]

His best chance at winning is with his NK.

If we lynch mafia today, wolf has more "breathing room" in the sense that he is on equal ground with them..I'm not 100% convinced there's only one "correct" way for scum to play this.
If the two scumteams try to coordinate their kills at twilight, the lone wolf risks being killed off if he comes out first.
If we hit mafia today, the same risk on both teams.
I think that only if we hit town today, one mafia can come out and call for a directed shot.
I might have thought this wrong, but I keep coming back to this sentiment.

[UnaBombaH]

I'm almost wondering if we've been completely off all day and the mafia team is unabomb/dunk the way dunk has avoided giving an opinion on unabomb. I hope not but man...that would suck although crosskill could still happen. I'm over thinking but yeah...

Your reaching now.
I can still sort of "accept" the wolf-read on me, it's partially my own fault. (Mostly for playing so lazy and sitting on my vote in the beginning)
But me as mafia makes no sense.

I'm starting to subscribe even more heavily to the theory of Wolf!Dunk - Mafia!Egg + Mafia!"X" (can still believe almost anyone as the partner, not Dunk though)
It would fit with Dunk wanting to find Maf in Skirt/Trans, and I think he has the balls to just openly go for it.

I've decided where I want to go - now it's up to the rest of you to decide.
VOTE: DunkerDoodles

[UnaBombaH]

I think that was L-1 on Dunker btw..!

[UnaBombaH]

I shoot Eddie tonight.
So as long as you shoot anyone outside of me or him, we are golden.

GG.

[UnaBombaH]

If dunker flips town they're just gonna shoot you una, lol

I just wanted to give my team a chance to lock a win tonight.
I'm also the Boon Role.
See you guys in end game.

[UnaBombaH]

ah twilight. you are fun.

i wonder which of you is lying about your claim? because you're both gambitty players

If you REALLY think one of us is lying, then you know which - logic tells you that.
Lassie saying he has a guilty on me would make me scum if he is scum.
So by that same logic he can't be scum if one of us is lying.

I do not give any clues on which team I represent, my counterpart(s) know enough.

I do not know who is playing for the other team, and it doesn't matter, but you need to realize something here: I shoot Eddie tonight.
If you shoot anyone else other than me/Eddie, we will win.
Simple as that.
If we choose the same target or you waste your shot on me, you lose.

#didthemath

[UnaBombaH]

Buhah

[UnaBombaH]

I actually sort of enjoyed this game.
Thanks for the invite Boon!

My goal with scumclaiming was to take the double kill, and apparently it almost paid off.
Didn't lie when I said I was hoping to give my team one more chance to win, and I wanted to be the first one to "claim" so that real scum wouldn't come out.
I "limited" Eddie out of the kill pool too by naming him.
If only you hadn't faked too Lassie..

Had fun and got to see a lot of you in action for the 1st time, thanks!

[UnaBombaH]

I was at work. I had to think of something fast. I was literally on the clock when i made that claim.

Man, not dissing your decision.

I also tried to prove your claim fake..

[UnaBombaH]

Im gonna fking /pre