Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Klazam]

HEAL: Klazam


Because I will be a good and impartial host, ensuring the voices of all of the world will be heard. Do not fall under the sway of the above tyrant.

[Klazam]

Why would we want an impartial host? Town want someone who will benefit town.

This comment bothers me. Like, isn't that obvious? The implication here is that since i said impartial, im being more scummy, yeah?

VOTE: BuJaber Real vote.

[Klazam]

specifically why didnt you come out and say that directly, instead of going at it obliquely like you did?

[Klazam]

However his deep role play is making it harder to understand what he means as it pertains to the mafia game. As in I have to work harder to translate it into what he means in terms of mafia mechanics. Like if he were to just speak like he would in a normal game his posts will make more sense. I am trying not to let that affect my perception but could that be AI?

Still happy with my vote. This looks like shade slinging to me.

Not comfortable with the posting of Kokichi, but im not sure exactly what its about.

I was thinking about host's duties, I'm not 100% sure it matters on D1 who gets the host position. It matters much more about what they do with that position, because the specific actions that person takes probably will be able to be read into on later days with flips in mind. From what i understand of the mechanics, having a strong mechanically inclined mind in the host position isnt necessary because the information is public information, and the full town can have input on that.

[Klazam]

We should elect before we lynch.

That is obvious.

We can still form wagons on lynchable people, though.

[Klazam]

whut

[Klazam]

Shaziro, is Chara still your top host pick?

[Klazam]

I like how shaziro approached that. Also BuJaber's post on the host thing is goodposting.

Leaving vote there, though.

[Klazam]

HEAL: Titus I have a good feeling about this slot.

Why? I just questioned you, you random vote to heal me while hardly engaging my substance.

I like how shaziro approached that. Also BuJaber's post on the host thing is goodposting.

Leaving vote there, though.

Like, I know i kinda went AFK for 2 days so i suck, but why do posts like these have not tingled anyone?

how are these two posts related?

[Klazam]

k im caught up.

I was planning to actively lurk til the game gets down to manageable numbers, Im utterly unused to larges. Obviously thats a no go at this point, my apologies. <also i have a different sleep schedule, so i always have like 10 pages to catch up on upon waking, but that aint a excuse.>

Addressing the reason why i left my vote on Bu- it was twinging me as sorta scummy in his posting, one goodpost doesnt erase that. I know i dont have that much of substance here, but thats how i feel here. (and still feel the same way.)

Liking Varsoon a lot at this point. The multiball analysis seems solid from a setup spec pov to me. Regarding the "communicating with the other team" point somebody brought up, thats stupid tbh. no reason to paint a target on his own head if he was scum.

Brass and Titus is my vote for the hosts. Me selfnomming myself for host was a stupid move, I wish i could change my vote, oh well. It was RVS, and i was just going with the flow after the Kokichi stuff.

Someone, dont recall who, mentioned me being preoccupied with host votes? Its kinda important to get that resolved soon. On the other hand, I think i misread the stuff related with delegate- I didnt realize that the extra host delegate was permanent. That obviously changes the math. Otherwise, I was thinking that the town could just hang a host that was obviously acting out of line with no real repercussions.

Direct questions to me about stuff, i can address easily. As for my opnion to the rest, IDK man.

[Klazam]

fair.

[Klazam]

ISO time beep beep

[Klazam]

er, i dont see it, gamma

[Klazam]

Was town in amensiac, and keep in mind these are mini games, easier for me to keep up my activity.

[Klazam]

Wait, varsoon, i said it didnt matter BEFORE the IC outed. Thats a important point, i feel.

[Klazam]

And then i questioned Shaziro, I was intending to put pressure on him if he didnt acknowledge that Brass was the correct host choice, but he did, so i let that go.

[Klazam]

Amnesiac was 19p large wat

wait what. Huh.

*shrug*

[Klazam]

interesting, so it is.

dunno, then. didnt feel like it i guess.

[Klazam]

I could get on board with a klazam lynch.

What's stopping you? I'm curious

[Klazam]

VOTE: gamma

Pointing out softclaims with no reason, posting generally makes me uncomfortable, and being around for awhile without casting the host vote for Brass, these are the reasons. Im on page 37.

[Klazam]

A50 trying to pull the wagon away from me to creature is eh.

I like titus' points on Kokichi. I think they makes sense to me.

[Klazam]

Gamma already voted for host btw. voted for brass on like page 35 or 36.

[Klazam]

Don't really like Klazam stopping in the middle of hi catchup.

didnt stop in the middle. Decided to vote gamma, wanted to post there, so indicated where i was. the rest of the posts i made after, i was caught up.

[Klazam]

I really want to vote for Kokichi at the moment, but im not sure if the posts is scum motivated or troll motivated. I think more of the latter. Gamma is a good place to be.

[Klazam]

VOTE: gamma

Pointing out softclaims with no reason, posting generally makes me uncomfortable, and being around for awhile without casting the host vote for Brass, these are the reasons. Im on page 37.

why is stalling the host vote scummy, and why is pointing out softclaims scum as opposed to anti-town?

speaking of, about Gamma: i liked his awkward reaction to Almost's declaration to sheep.

Stalling the host vote, as you put it, is pretty damn scummy, considering we've had a conftown IC here for awhile now. Also waiting on host votes doesnt serve the town in any way at this point, we need to finish up with the WC stuff so we can hang people.

Eh, anti-town/scum, i dont like it either way.

[Klazam]

What is bothering me at the moment- the wagon on me stopped for awhile, then almost50 pops up and declares that creature is scum, and bam his wagon builds quick.

Ok. Thinking about that logicially, I think Almost is town due to that because im town, so scum doesnt have a reason to distract the town from lynching me, so.

I was thinking that almost might be scum setting up a future lynch of me due to assocatives, but that's a stupid plan if he was scum. so im gonna slot Almost in my townpile.

Who jumped ship from my wagon, then? Im gonna head back and try to look at that. If i can.

[Klazam]

These are the people who followed A50: chara, brass, Kok, marshy, Gamma.

Of these, Brass and Marshy was on my wagon. Kok wanted to be on my wagon too.

wait a second, Kok, reconcile your vote of creature with this post please-

I could get on board with a klazam lynch.

What's stopping you? I'm curious

Waiting for WC to be finalized.

Why were you reluctant to vote me, but eager to vote creature so quick?

I think Kok looks the worst in that series of votes regarding creature.

[Klazam]

ok lets go brass for leader then. i was

hoping we could get someone who wasnt confirmed for the sake of info

but a clear at least ensures were not being manipulated. so lets elect him and get to the vote

Bolded pings me pretty bad. His move to creature makes sense with his previous posting though

[Klazam]

I just wanted to pressure Creature into voting for the host already. It seems that pressure does not work when he's lurking though.

You can do no wrong, Mr. IC. My question is directed to Koki.

[Klazam]

I will if i had a problem with your play, I dont here though.

[Klazam]

TBH, the WC from what i see so far is a dangerous mechanic, because it murders momentum for lynchwagons, thanks to lurkers. Im thinking we should aim to resolve the WC vote within 5 or so days from any game day start, to ensure we have good lynchwagon build times. anyone who stalls on that deserves extra scrutiny because it is antitown behavior.

(Yeah creature is a problem)

[Klazam]

A50 trying to pull the wagon away from me to creature is eh.

I like titus' points on Kokichi. I think they makes sense to me.

Do you not agree that Creature is obvscum?

Im ambivalent on the lurking thing- I dont really know his meta, Ill defer to these who actually do. Although, I can obviously see that creature is presenting a problem here.

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Address why you waited so long to host-nom brass, please. That's the crux of my scumread on you.

Me uncomfortable = gut bad feels, but not very easy to quantify.

[Klazam]

Kok- you said you were waiting on the WC to vote me, then when a creature wagon takes off you vote there. That's a conflict there. You say I'm cherry picking, I disagree there.

I'm not voting you because like I said I'm not sure to your motivation behind your posting. Gamma on the other hand I feel good about.

[Klazam]

mod- are we told what the resolution that they pick to vote on are? And apologies if I missed this somewhere else, but can the same resolution be proposed and passed twice or more in the game?

[Klazam]

So in that hypothetical, why didn't you vote me in the first place? You could've easily said the same thing you said after the creature vote, if you voted me, yeah? I mean, you held off on voting me and not him. That's what doesn't look right to me.

Also why am I the vig target? A lynch on me returns much more information than a lynch on creature would, yeah?

[Klazam]

Guess I'm done with that line of questioning. I trust you none at all, and I propose we don't listen to you.

Don't ban gold.

[Klazam]

No I don't. My statement is based off kok's instience

Chara- he says he doesn't want to vote me because he wants to wait for the WC stuff, then creature wagon forms, he places vote on creature then tells others to hold off. Why not place vote on me and tell others to hold off in the first place?

I see it as a difference, bit I guess I'll m not sure what it means at this point. Probably is getting me distracted

[Klazam]

The whole thing with the wanting to be host and directing the WC resolutions is screaming to me ulterior motives on kok.

Fuck this.

VOTE: kok

[Klazam]

hang me first, idc in any way here, but like, dont listen to kok, dont give power to kok, and hang kok when you can. Dont trust it.

[Klazam]

Guess I'm done with that line of questioning. I trust you none at all, and I propose we don't listen to you.

Don't ban gold.

Do you know what gold does though?

clarification- i dont know what gold does.

[Klazam]

why doesn't scum Kokichi want to vote you but is happy voting Creature? it's a difference, sure, but i don't know if it means anything.
and Kokichi's saying to ban gold is pretty obviously in response to brass's explanation, so i don't see why him saying so has you fearful enough you want to just not do what he says on principle. it just seems unhelpful.

pedit: i'm having trouble scumreading this.

Kok said to ban videophone gold right after brass brought it up as an option, then brass explained more about it, kok repeated his statements. The whole thing feels like he has ulterior motives for caring so much about it.

[Klazam]

Ignore the random videophone- typing on mobile

[Klazam]

VOTE: gamma back to this

Over the past few pages, i think i understand kok's mindset a bit better.

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Regarding the WC choices, do all 3 options from both players happen, or do we vote on just one?

[Klazam]

It's mainly the gold = corruption thing he mentioned from the past civ 3, which I can then see the reason why he would single out gold to be banned to begin with. That reduces my concerns of there being a ulterior motive.

[Klazam]

HEAL: Ban: Silk

Might as well figure out what that is, and I think that WC votes don’t need majority, just needs more yes than no. And To be honest, at this point, I think any no votes on brass is straight scum claim. Silk can be ambivalent, depending on if there’s a good role reason for it.

if day ends without all delegates cast, do the resolutions pass anyway?

If answer to the above is yes, then we should get going on lynching someone. I’m still on gamma, but I’ll be rereading at work, see how I feel about other people.

[Klazam]

Everyone, please stop getting ready to lynch Creature, I want to have some chance to get a read on Kiana Kislana and Jodaxq.

This i can get behind. Creature lynch is path of no resistance.

[Klazam]

yeah ok
dont blame me if this flips town
VOTE: creature

ME NO LIKE THIS POST

Kok, Idgaf if you want me to be vigged. at least im not being antitown like nero.

End of day scumreads if i do get vigged:

Gamma, Nero, Kok (maybe), dunk

[Klazam]

By my count, hammered.

Nero's general behavior has been antitown.

Kok- im voting gamma because im pretty sure that's where scum is. if youre so set on me being scum, why do you even care?

[Klazam]

Im surprised this thread is still open.

Shaziro, yeah, its because of Kok. I know no scum in their right mind would even bother to nk me.

Dunk scumread is based off the way he voted creature, mainly.

Nero.... The way you post pings me hard. With the whole contrarian attitude (nay-ing Brass peacekeeping vote, for instance), and the propensity for omgusing everyone who mentions you as scum. Im getting that impression from you, at least. Just look at the recent thing between you and Bu regarding me. Just feels slimy to me.

[Klazam]

Brass- im gonna iso Dan now

[Klazam]

My power won't be restored until Saturday, although to be honest I doubt I'd concern myself with this game seriously until at least then anyway.

Toodles

might explain it.

[Klazam]

Interesting, I just ISOd nero. its not what i expected - i dont see all that much omgus there. idk why i thought that.

the "I'm scum" is still scummy so im leaving you on my scumlist

[Klazam]

You know we hammered without even seeing the resolutions pass and what they would have done this day phase. So that's cool. Gg ez..

Anyway if creature flips scum and I'm not alive tomorrow to bring it up, this is a reminder to all of you that Gamma was real shifty about the creature wagon earlier and you should put the squeeze on him. Actually in general if I'm dead tomorrow I hope you all heed my wisdoms I've said lots of good stuff and I'd hate to be a non participant after death.

Speaking of which Joey is town leave him alone white haired anime lady

I feel conflicted about this post. I want to like it, and say that this is a town post, but it could be designed to manipulate people's feelings since this is twilight and that's a free statement to make. Lining up lynches is a concern here.

[Klazam]

Kiana, mind elaborating on your marshy scumread. I dont think you explained it.

[Klazam]

hmm. Dont think theres anything pertient i need to address at the moment, Good night all, im gonna head out and get started with my day

[Klazam]

Anyway if creature flips scum and I'm not alive tomorrow to bring it up, this is a reminder to all of you that Gamma was real shifty about the creature wagon earlier and you should put the squeeze on him. Actually in general if I'm dead tomorrow I hope you all heed my wisdoms I've said lots of good stuff and I'd hate to be a non participant after death.

Speaking of which Joey is town leave him alone white haired anime lady

so, really unclear if this is Elbirn crumbing he'll target Joey or target Gamma. i'd have personally picked a townread with that role, but the way Elbirn specifically mentions being dead it sounds like he's trying to communicate a guilty. thoughts?
or if he was just nightkilled and town is responsible for one of those scum deaths instead of it being a crosskill.

pedit: yeehaw.

Thats pretty good. It feels like a gamma target crumb. On top of my scumread of Gamma already. Gonna be voting Gamma after the host is decided.

HEAL: HOST: BRASS X2

PEDIT: Nah Joey, the delegates isnt tied to brass directly. We keep voting him in as host as long as hes alive. I think that Brass should be the primary decider of who should be the runner up.

[Klazam]

Also yay my read on dunk was right.

Gotta re evaluate nero and kok somewhat in the context of the flips, though. Ill be doing that later, not now though.

[Klazam]

Well isn't that a beautiful turnout

Also I can't wait to be accused of being orange scum

You know what.

Why are you specifying orangescum here? does that matter?

[Klazam]

Joey- Elb was a WEAK bodyguard, which means he dies on protecting scum. now read that post again through that lens. makes sense to me.

[Klazam]

Brass, you have the spares because youre the current host here.

[Klazam]

Brass, heavily doubt its 3 scumgroups. To me, it looks like a crosskill + weak bodyguard death on scum, so thats 2 groups. I'd agree 3 each because two reasons, it feels right to me, and because varsoon specifically said 3 scum.

Im gonna check his multiball spec again, im curious about something now.

PEDIT: Or it could be 4 each and varsoon could be signaling to scum/misdirecting... hmmm. I'm considering things

Marshy, Bodyguard, but essentially yes, that's what i believe.

[Klazam]

Aaaaah, I'm just gonna post this and hope I'm right. I've been debating it because I think that if I am wrong and we make these setup assumptions, it could really kick us in the ass.

I was thinking a lot about what's keeping scum from just completely gaming the delegates, especially considering the snowballing that happens if scum manage to get multiple delegates.
As an earlier post of mine implies, I figured it was initially just a balance point of either scum knowing resolutions already (no info to be gained from being a world leader) or that a lot of scum voting a world leader in would be very obvious.
I then realized that it's much more likely the setup is multiball and that scum teams are only two or three players. Why's that?

1. What really tipped me off was the non-specificity of my role PM and the opening posts in regards to a 'scum team'. There's mention of eliminating 'all threats to town', but that's it.
2. I thought for sure the 'all threats to town' was an absolute nod to the game being multiball because of the wording, but after digging Venmar's mod-meta, I've discovered:
--a) Venmar uses the same wording even in his singleball setups with exclusion of an open setup he ran way back in 2012.
--b) Out of over 5 different setups of Venmar's design, only one of them was singleball entirely.
3. Given the flavor of the theme (multiple civilizations forming alliances, the fact people often play multiple 'teams', the multiple wincons in the game that different civs shoot for, etc.), there are several avenues to make this a multiball game
4. Singleball would actually make the World Congress mechanic unbalanced in favor of scum.
5. If anti-town factions have daychat, then there's NO WAY that the game is singleball, because the amount of co-ordination a full-size singular scumteam could do in this kind of setup with daychat would make the world leader mechanic almost pointless for town. However, if there are multiple smaller teams, daychat makes a lot more sense. I did not check Venmar's previous games to see if daychat was normal in his setups, but I do recall there being encryptors in the setup.

I had this revelation awhile back, between posts 100 and 200, because I had a pretty dynamic shift in how I was viewing the game/mechanics by 226 and forward.
Assuming multiball, we should be a lot more critical of the people who are laying low and self-voting, like Klazaam, because in multiball:
1. Scum players are likelier to self-vote and get a partner to boost them.
2. Scum players are likelier to avoid voting people they don't have a hard townread on because they need to avoid the other scum team become leader, too.
2. Scum players are likelier to lay low and not draw a lot of attention to themselves because they don't want to catch a cross-kill because cross-kills are what makes scum lose very fast in multiball.

This is why I townread Elbirn so hard, because he self voted but didn't seem aware of the mechanics all that much, then voiced support for Kokichi, who is not likely to be on the same scumteam as him if he was scum--if Elbirn were scum aware of multiball, he'd be way more hesitant to couch support of someone with some votes on them already. Furthermore, Elbirn's opening posts draw a lot of attention to him, imo, and wouldn't make sense coming from a multiball scum player PoV.

The existence of the IC also leans me a bit more towards this being multiball, too, ftr.

I think it's more likely that there's just multiple NKs present.

I think it's more likely that there's just multiple NKs present.

It's possible, I could see a SK actually. I'm not too sold on 2 mafia, and I don't think it's really needed to be discussed right now until we see night kills.

I've explained why it's important to consider right now.

I think the setup is either: 14-3-3-1 (bulletproof SK, lots of town power, protectives in scum/town), 15-3-3, or 15-2-2-2 or something similar to that.

Not a huge fan of you undermining the IC.

That's his posts on the topic. WIFOM land i know, but, i dont think he was trying to misdirect on number of mafisos here.

[Klazam]

I think im gonna townread Almost for suggesting 4/4 maf, actually, until we have evidence it isnt 3/3

[Klazam]

Gamma, no discussion regarding the speculation on elbirn weak investigating you?

[Klazam]

We already got 3 scum lynches and its really early in the game

I kinda think this is a towntell, I dont see scum phrasing it quite like that.

Joey for runnerup I think.

[Klazam]

Varsoon

- Was the one who gave a big presentation on the game being multiball, which now that he has flipped a different mafia than someone else was most likely signalling!

His scumread on Klazam based on his multiball speculation was very likely to be genuine, as such it is logical to conlude that Klazam and Varsoon are not aligned on the same scumteam!

Klazam

- I feel like his pushing of the Elbirn pseudo-guilty on me is the most slimy and opportunistic! Given specific wagon interactions with BuJaber I saw in Day 1 analysis I think

Klazam is the opposite team, making him orange scum!

lol

also depending on unflipped assocative tells is slimy when you have flips to analyze. youre using your scumread on a unflipped slot to justify reads on other slots.

Kokichi Oma

- From interactions across both day I see that Kokichi is not alinged with BuJaber and Nero Cain in certain ways. BuJaber went after Kokichi pretty fervently Day 1, and Nero's recent context-mangling ende up spewing the fact Nero honestly believed Kokichi to be town.

This is a example of using unflipped assocatives to justify reads.

Elbirn - Died Night 1, flipped some sort of permanent bodyguard. Part of his role mentions a weak targeting power which has people in a frenzy about what it could mean for who he targeted!

Sounds WAY too sarcastic, considering that you are the primary person we think he targeted.

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Ah you caught your error lol.

You're still scum

[Klazam]

Try "impartial". I was summing up what the general reaction to it was. Did you see the word "I" in there? No? Then it's not me making a subjective personal judgement but an objective overall judgment.

I... dont think that you make sense here.

Youre justifying unflipped assocatives based on YOUR reads, then made a impartial observation that carefully avoided mentioning that youre the one who looks potentially scummy. Thats two different approaches in your reads list.

[Klazam]

ok, i do have a question. why is my pushing of the Elbirn guilty on you neither slimy nor opportunistic?

Gamma, this was for you.

also this

[Klazam]

I just looked again and Elbirn is the ONLY read on that list that you avoid giving personal opinion on. yes, this includes other flipped reads. You EVEN GIVE A BIASED OPINION ON WHY YOURE NOT SCUM in your own read on yourself.

[Klazam]

Their interactions with Dunkerdoodles make them a very clear no-go for possibly being on the red team, so those looking to remove him must try to put him with the orange team!

[Klazam]

Venmar: i read that as the bodyguard works night 2 onward, but could Elbirn have bodyguarded someone on night 1 and died that way?

No. Elbirn's role would not have protected on Night 1, but would have Night 2 and onwards.

(Votecount on the way)

MOD- Ok, but he could have died if his target on N1 was scum, yes?

[Klazam]

Don't see why scumgamma would have targeted brass, if it wasnt a strongman, so im gonna say Gamma is town.

Which means i need to reevaluate.

too lazy right now to do so.

Hit me up when WC finally gets taken care of.

[Klazam]

Gamma, I haven’t voted yet, was holding off on that for WC

[Klazam]

Why would a scum watcher bother watching brassherald? They KNOW that no protectives was going to hit brass that night.

Scum investigative? Brass's role was already outed

Roleblocker? We have a dead one already, and roleblocking a confirmed IC seems dumb

Religion spreader? Brass confirmed theres no religion.

Strongman? Brass's still alive

What else is there?

Guys, what teh fuck. Gamma is town here. There exists no scum role that makes sense with being used on the protected IC.

FOS on BuJaber for the previous 2 posts tho. Dont like the tone.

[Klazam]

We have a confirmed tracker that tracked Gamma to Brass, that in itself HAS to confirm Gamma's towniness, because no scum role exists that wants to target Brass there.

[Klazam]

Can we get the congress done with so we can actually lynch scum, please?

PLEASE

[Klazam]

What. Scum. Role. Wants. To. Target. The. Fucking. IC. (And no, scum watcher on the IC is not a possibility, when the IC ALREADY got a protect via WC makes zero sense)

My god people. Gamma is town. Accept it, despite how much I want him to be scum, and move the fuck on.

I like joey’s Lynch pool, minus joda, pretty sure that slot is town.

Yes, I know I’m one of the five, but I don’t much care. I’m pretty sure we got this in the bag even if I’m hung at some point. When WC pops, I’ll step up my effort in scumhunting I promise. Still mostly observing at the moment.

For reference, this is the pool that I endorse hanging into- me, kiana (don’t like posting in general), AD (ad didn’t make much of a impression on me, I don’t know), ranmaru (when I voted gamma for not voting WC despite knowing there was an IC on day one, ranmaru was guilty of the same thing, but it somehow slipped my notice until much later). Titus I’m less confident about, but sure Titus can go too.

Joda, gamma, joey, brass, chara, koi, bujaber, a50, pidgey can be town in my book, at the moment. (Probably one or two scum in here, but I always re-evaluate reads on later days.)

Nero, marshy, and Shapiro I’m feeling ambivalent about.

My vote is probably going ranmaru’s way if I had to vote right now. But first, WC pop and me putting effort in the game has to happen first.

Also too many d2claims, be careful about that.

[Klazam]

Also we shouldn’t give a fuck about what color scum we hang. If both teams, they have chance to crosskill. Worrying about colors comes later when game shrinks down. If there’s a purple scum team of 2, we would royally fuck ourselves if we focus on hunting for a nonexistent third red. Not saying that either is correct, just making an observation.

[Klazam]

Also Joey being leader is smart option here because that way town keeps control of delegates at daystart tomorrow. That’s one thing I thought of.

[Klazam]

Random thought- what’s the chances of mods putting in two Christian centric religions, as opposed to Hindi or Islam or some shit? Idk

[Klazam]

Might have to do with country selection, actually, never mind me.

[Klazam]

What. Scum. Role. Wants. To. Target. The. Fucking. IC.

It's not impossible, I don't get why you're trying to force this.

If it's not impossible, then tell me an answer and justify it based on the knowledge that A) Brass is an IC, B) He got autoprotected from the world congress.

[Klazam]

What. Scum. Role. Wants. To. Target. The. Fucking. IC.

It's not impossible, I don't get why you're trying to force this.

If it's not impossible, then tell me an answer and justify it based on the knowledge that A) Brass is an IC, B) He got autoprotected from the world congress.

Oh and why im tryign to force it? You guys are talkign about hanging a GOD DAMN NEAR CONFTOWN player. stopdat.jpg

[Klazam]

I just quickly skimmed our flipped scums- dunk had no idea what resource ban would do, varsoon was all for it.

From that, it might be a not positive to ban resources, if scum was in favor of that?

[Klazam]

VOTE: Ranmaru let's start here.

[Klazam]

HEAL: ban Ivory
HEAL: ban gold

aight.

[Klazam]

Why would a scum watcher bother watching brassherald? They KNOW that no protectives was going to hit brass that night.

Scum investigative? Brass's role was already outed

Roleblocker? We have a dead one already, and roleblocking a confirmed IC seems dumb

Religion spreader? Brass confirmed theres no religion.

Strongman? Brass's still alive

What else is there?

Guys, what teh fuck. Gamma is town here. There exists no scum role that makes sense with being used on the protected IC.

FOS on BuJaber for the previous 2 posts tho. Dont like the tone.

We have a confirmed tracker that tracked Gamma to Brass, that in itself HAS to confirm Gamma's towniness, because no scum role exists that wants to target Brass there.

What. Scum. Role. Wants. To. Target. The. Fucking. IC. (And no, scum watcher on the IC is not a possibility, when the IC ALREADY got a protect via WC makes zero sense)

My god people. Gamma is town. Accept it, despite how much I want him to be scum, and move the fuck on.

I like joey’s Lynch pool, minus joda, pretty sure that slot is town.

Yes, I know I’m one of the five, but I don’t much care. I’m pretty sure we got this in the bag even if I’m hung at some point. When WC pops, I’ll step up my effort in scumhunting I promise. Still mostly observing at the moment.

For reference, this is the pool that I endorse hanging into- me, kiana (don’t like posting in general), AD (ad didn’t make much of a impression on me, I don’t know), ranmaru (when I voted gamma for not voting WC despite knowing there was an IC on day one, ranmaru was guilty of the same thing, but it somehow slipped my notice until much later). Titus I’m less confident about, but sure Titus can go too.

Joda, gamma, joey, brass, chara, koi, bujaber, a50, pidgey can be town in my book, at the moment. (Probably one or two scum in here, but I always re-evaluate reads on later days.)

Nero, marshy, and Shapiro I’m feeling ambivalent about.

My vote is probably going ranmaru’s way if I had to vote right now. But first, WC pop and me putting effort in the game has to happen first.

Also too many d2claims, be careful about that.

What. Scum. Role. Wants. To. Target. The. Fucking. IC.

It's not impossible, I don't get why you're trying to force this.

If it's not impossible, then tell me an answer and justify it based on the knowledge that A) Brass is an IC, B) He got autoprotected from the world congress.

What. Scum. Role. Wants. To. Target. The. Fucking. IC.

It's not impossible, I don't get why you're trying to force this.

If it's not impossible, then tell me an answer and justify it based on the knowledge that A) Brass is an IC, B) He got autoprotected from the world congress.

Oh and why im tryign to force it? You guys are talkign about hanging a GOD DAMN NEAR CONFTOWN player. stopdat.jpg

Just stop with gamma. Please, apply logic to gamma’s actions.

Joey dropped waaaaay down in my reads list. Town does not rolefish for protective roles.

[Klazam]

If Gamma isnt red scum, means hes orange scum. Why would he watch brass in that situation, man.

Hes damn near conftown, and we should not be rolefishing or directing him.

[Klazam]

If he didnt watch brass, then Joda would not have tracked gamma to brass

isnt that obvious

[Klazam]

Loss of 2 teammates might make someone apathetic all of a sudden tbh. I think this wagon is reasonable.

VOTE: Kiana

[Klazam]

Look, people. Gamma is so clearly conftown here. I dont even understand why youre aruging that gamma isnt. Theres no possible scum role that fits with gamma's actions. Idk how many times i gotta explain this over and over.

Kiana is a good lynch wagon. The oh im just gambiting excuse i dont know about. Action-consequence seems rather clear to me here.

Ran still good lynch.

I stand by one of these lynches, dont care which.

[Klazam]

Fuck no

Gamma cant claim
y all lynch me first if y all want

but as long as im alive, youre not fuckign lynching gamma

[Klazam]

go ahead. lynch a conftown. have fun

[Klazam]

Klazoum saying that gamma is town but he isnt even trying to build a CW to his hard townread conftown gamma

I was trying, and im completely ignored because you idiots want to make conftown gamma fullclaim. Me going fuck you go ahead lynch him was because you voted him "is that a challenge." im just done with this game.

[Klazam]

Ok.

Key point here- I was on ran. Kiana looked like a possiblity, too. but.......

then i see everyone going down the gamma COULD be scum rabbithole without considering the fact theres no logicial explantion for gammascum. I try to explain why gamma cant be scum. Ignored. over and over and over.

my investment in the game and motivation dropped because.... oh look you forced a doctor shot to out himself. No shit.

Lynch me if you must. Better me hanging than Gamma, because he is straight up conftown. Call me whiteknighting him or whatever if you must, but honestly, the facts are the facts, apply logic to it.

[Klazam]

VOTE: ranmaru

[Klazam]

WHOOO IM RIGHT GAMMA FOR TOWN PRESIDENT


ok, serious timez now.

Obviously im fine with the ran case still. Thats where im voting after world congress bullshit.

speaking of

HEAL: HOST: JOEYx2
HEAL: HOST: Brassx2

My townpool: Brass, Gamma, Shaziro, Joey, Jodax

The rest can hang, including me- i know im barely playing this game at the moment, and that's on me.

[Klazam]

Klazam claim or you are dead and ill hang you, basically

Why do I need to claim? What information are you looking to get out of me claiming?

[Klazam]

eh im against massclaim- sure lots of info's out there, but the game's still young, and theres still (probably) 3 scum to go. Dont see reason to potentially out more roles, esp since the revealed roles looks like they either do nothing (religion), or are challenging to play around like joda's inventor, joey's commuter, and gamma's joat.

[Klazam]

also massclaim will just make the game devolve farther in the setup speculation rabbit hole, which is amazingly easy for scum to hide in, as i learned in a couple games.

Focus on the words of people and their votes, not their potential night roles/etc.

[Klazam]

mod needs to update alive list in OP

K time to put in some effort.

TOWN
brassherald (IC)
Gamma Emerald (JOAT, proven)
Jodaxq (Inventor, proven)
Klazam (duh)
Joey_ (Lynch at lylo, hes too town lol)
Shaziro (Prove the role at some point)

ORANGE SCUM WITHIN THIS GROUP
Almost50 (I believe of the religion spreaders, this is most likely to be town)
pidgey
marshy

THE REST
Kiana Kaslana
BuJaber
Chara
Titus
Casear

Ok, now i'm crunching out the iso's of each of the scum, to look for connections.

Spoiler: thoughts as i read stuff

VARSOON (random selection of Chara in conjunction)

Varsoon waffles on giving a solid titus read (137)
goes after solely town(or not-orange scum) at this point- mentions kok, elbirn, dunk, gamma

Chara's iso in connection with varsoon gives me not-aligned vibes, so Chara can be in Not Orange list

Varsoon shades joey here, talks with pidgey about gamma

and now varsoon talks with pidgey about me (manipulation here i think, which would make marshy the orange religion scum

Potential chainsaw defense of bujaber, targeting me.

pushed joey more

more pushing of me

interaction with chara that reads as him trying to convince

off topic, but if someone ever talks about being scum as much as varsoon did in this iso, im hanging him. period.

calls bu town

more waffling on titus

LOL at him talking about the trust tell thing after constantly claiming scum

guarded discussion with titus about science boosting him. I'm gonna put titus with orange scum

DUNK AND CREATURE

Dunk calls bu town, gamma scum, is ambigious about shit

Draws connection between Ranslot and Gamma

Defends creature

townreads Nero

(Creature is doing jack shit)

Creature picks titus to be host

dunk pushes kok

not as much to analyze here, really. Bu maybe?

TOWN
almost50
pidgey (not aligned with varsoon)

ORANGE POTENTIALITES
marshy (POE based from exempting pidgey)
Titus (Varsson fencesits so hard on this)

BOTH
BuJaber (Varsoon chainsaw defence, Dunk auto-townreading him in a crowd of confirmed townies)
Kiana Kaslana (did not see any scum mention this slot whatsover)

RED POTENTIALITIES
Chara (not aligned with varsoon)
Casear (Maybe due to dunk's drawing connections between townGamma and Casear?)

Okay. That was worth doing.

From that, Bu is coming out the worst. Will vote there. Marshy is also an option for orange religion scum.

[Klazam]

Sure, I’ll do that after lunch

[Klazam]

Both scum faction going “this guy is obvtown” gives me heebies though

[Klazam]

Varsoon attacked me in defense of bu, generally chainsawing, and Dunk called Bu town, along with several other people, and since then they have been all flipped or clearly are town like gamma, leaving Bu. I'm thinking single scum in pool of town people thing, possibly.

Mainly what i'm saying is based on the scumslots' talk, Bu could be nicely associated with either one of them, if that makes sense?

[Klazam]

People jump to associatives though all the time which is not the best thing to do though. Associatives are best found in exceptions if you go that route. For instance, if Adam says shitposting is bad but Brian gets a pass because his shit posting annoys X. Look at Brian as Adam's partner or X being a real thorn in Adam's scum team.

I checked this and Bu at the very least isn't red scum by Klazam's logic

I'm not sure what you mean by this

[Klazam]

People jump to associatives though all the time which is not the best thing to do though. Associatives are best found in exceptions if you go that route. For instance, if Adam says shitposting is bad but Brian gets a pass because his shit posting annoys X. Look at Brian as Adam's partner or X being a real thorn in Adam's scum team.

I checked this and Bu at the very least isn't red scum by Klazam's logic

I'm not sure what you mean by this

Bu argued to lynch Koki before Dunker and defended Creature
Actually wait a second
Did I use my wrong way associative to FoS Nero, when it should have been on Bu? Because it's very possible BuJaber tried to connect them while trying to fake-clear his buddy off of it
Yup Bu's in the scum pool now, that's a viable possibility imo, I don't recall why I townbinned him other than Joey saying to

How did "klazlogic" clear bu of being red scum? because he defended both scum?

[Klazam]

If bu flips scumn i called it D1!

(Me too)

[Klazam]

Dont recall why i retracted that though hmm

[Klazam]

If a investigative haven’t claimed, theres probably a good reason for that dontcha think?

Jesus fuck Joey I think you’re town but you’re being so scummy, it’s your rolefishing errywhere

[Klazam]

we dont even have confirmation its coming back

[Klazam]

Aieee

hello, prod recieved

[Klazam]

im a bit busy today but looks like not much has happened. all i want to say is b careful with the resolutions and lets try to pick an obvious one cuz last nights religions being blocked was quite bad

You're absolutely definitely utterly right, and I strongly ... WAIT! WHAT????

Why is blocking something that does NOTHING "quite bad" to you???

yep

[Klazam]

im a bit busy today but looks like not much has happened. all i want to say is b careful with the resolutions and lets try to pick an obvious one cuz last nights religions being blocked was quite bad

You're absolutely definitely utterly right, and I strongly ... WAIT! WHAT????

Why is blocking something that does NOTHING "quite bad" to you???

It prevents us from confirming who is a religion spreader or not. Funny how you want us to assume they are all true?

eh, thing here is that it was just a meh thing at this point i think. "quite bad" is kinda strongly worded there

[Klazam]

Joey- why am i claiming?

[Klazam]

you missed titus' non consecutive night doctor claim btw in your reads list.

Missed the ranmaru replacement to Claus too

Why are you pushing me to claim, and not the others who hasnt claimed?

Honestly man, your constant pushing for claims and shit bothers me a lot.

[Klazam]

Also it seems to me that the international games might be amazing to use on Brass.

[Klazam]

Shrug, I see no advantage to claiming. You can put me down as VT.

Might be lying, might not be, dont care either way.

If i gotta be hung, then go ahead. I think even with me getting hung, the pool where scum can be is small enough, pretty sure we've won teh game.

[Klazam]

So I had a thought. So I'd claimed to have a doctor shot, and I used it on brass n2 as pretty much everyone told me to do right? So why does Titus protect brass that same night as what she claims? If she suspects me I'm still leashed to my claimed action. If brass dies either a) I'm lying and I get lynched or b) brass was strongmanned and Titus' action would have served no purpose. Plus there's the issue of her claim letting her cheese out a brass kill on a night she doesn't have her power. It's waaaaaay too contrived imo.

sounds good to me.

the titus case over the past few pages has me pretty convinced, really.

[Klazam]

It's a extremely ambigious VT claim.

thats all you getting from me.

[Klazam]

titus said she didnt want to take the chance to let the IC dies just to prove that you were fake and/or to claim roleblocked/strongarmed

Trade of one town for one scum heavily favors town, even if said town is an IC


No shit its not a hardclaim. Im not moving from this here stance, deal with it.

[Klazam]

dont care.

[Klazam]

[

Embargo

~ (City-States)]

- Small though they may be, City-States complicate global politics and can

interfere in the diplomacy between more powerful Civilizations

. Assign delegates

supporting or opposing Embargo of City-States

. If successful, this resolution will be enacted

permanently

, and must be repealed for any effects to be disabled.

reading the embargo city states stuff- a random thought occurred to me, what if the embargo will allow the two scum factions to communicate? look at the bolded.

Also why did you give the olympic games thing to pidgey? If Brass thinks that A50 is more likely to be town, then why give it to pidgey instead? I do feel that pidgey is more probable to be town than marshy anyway, but still this was a strange choice.

I need to consider this before i vote

Fixing tags.
~M

[Klazam]

No, i mean, read this line- City-States complicate global politics and can interfere in the diplomacy between more powerful Civilizations. I'm thinking if we remove city states, that STOPS them from interfering, which could mean let scum talk to each other?

Im just trying to apply mafia terms to these resolutions, so i may be obveranalyzing

[Klazam]

I'm not the vig, shaziro is.

And Gamma is fuckign conftown to me. i honestly have no idea whyt he fuck people hasnt come around to this...

[Klazam]

HEAL: yea Games @ pidgey x3 might as well

[Klazam]

Daytalk enabling for scum is a great possiblity that shaziro brought up earlier

[Klazam]

*raises eyebrow*

ok. Dont think marshy is actually keeping up with the game. several wrong things in his posts.

Been thinking about titus. Honestly i hate when people replace out like that. if Titus was scum, it's a tactical replacement, which is aganist site rules, if he's town, it kinda confirms him as town. if the mods think it's a tacital replace out but leave it alone, that adds layers of wifom to the whole mess. how is that even allowed, game rules wise. I think I'll have to assume he's town based on the replaceout premise, which feels shitty to me.

meh

VOTE: Casear he (and his slot) has done even less than me, and put out less thoughts and shit. Ran was scummy. He can go.

I'm basically giving up on the gamma thing. ill just laugh at youse postgame. (or ill be laughed at, but i strongly doubt that)

[Klazam]

also joda is an inventor, not a full tracker, get with the times, marshy

[Klazam]

didnt think of that layer.

ugh idk about that slot. gonna wait and see if it gets sorted somehow then.

[Klazam]

you got my claim, so lol.

Casear wagon is goodwagon, keep it going.

[Klazam]

And i said that's all youre getting from me.

lynch me for that if you wish, dont care.

Would like casear to go first, on principle, though.

[Klazam]

Also why didnt ya discuss options with the res of us?

[Klazam]

ok Titus confuses me.

Says im town, then says people who defend gamma are scum.

I'm defending gamma. so uhm

Also if titus isnt replacing out, im all for a lynch there.

[Klazam]

part of me wants to say pine is town because of his deadline extension request.

the other part of me is reminding me that if deadline hits, pine gets hanged, so this is reasonable attempt on his part at ass-saving which could be scum motivated anyway.

so meh. lol

[Klazam]

i am amused.

[Klazam]

fullclaim immediately.

[Klazam]

not trolling. claim or ill assume youre scum stalling.

[Klazam]

That's plenty of time to check the claim plus chara gave mark a obvious hint there.

it doesnt matter what mark says now. ugh.

[Klazam]

VOTE: onthemark

[Klazam]

solely for seeing what i saw regarding Gamma,

UNVOTE:

I could go for kiana also, lemme check back on my reads list, remind me what i had on kiana.

[Klazam]

Kiana Kaslana (did not see any scum mention this slot whatsover)

aight

VOTE: Kiana

[Klazam]

^ major scumvibes tbh. excusing yourself of the lynch by suggesting its just the deadline.

looking at your posts brb

[Klazam]

Im pretty happy lynching from Pine, Klazam, OTM, or maybe even bujaver.

you mention three wagons here that has the numbers to be a viable deadline lynch (pine, me, otm), you dont even talk about kiana, and you go to vote THERE for your "oh its deadline i gotta vote" vote. I dont buy it.

[Klazam]

you notice the deadline in the modpost, and dont even look at the votecount? zzzz dont believe ya

[Klazam]

not willing to vote kiana? why?

[Klazam]

I actually think im feeling a lot better about the ran/pine slot after that exchange.

[Klazam]

Ok fun times now.

It's nice that a slot that has been doing fuck all got replaced and now is deflecting the wagon to me nicely with flawed logic to start with(buddy with varsoon) then changing to no, I'm red mafia now.

If I hang, you hang next day. I'm happy with that exchange.

[Klazam]

Oh also, why would I push people to lynch me before lynching gamma if I was red? Makes no sense to me. If I was the last membber of my team, no fuvking way im putting my head out there for someone who was being universally scumread, yeah?

[Klazam]

Oh I know I'm a top 3 lynch, just pointing out laser's flawed reasoning

And nah what you got is all you get.

[Klazam]

Can someone explain to me why people seem to be reading Joey as obvtown/conftown?

Im fine with mod flipping me if course. I don't think a claim from me adds to the gamestate so I'm just refusing to claim.

[Klazam]

Ignore that quite, phoneposting

[Klazam]

Fine, I'm VT, then.

Moving on from this topic.

[Klazam]

If I'm actually VT way. I behaved is because I wanted to draw the nightkill, if I'm not it's because wifom.

[Klazam]

Bingo. You're never getting a hardclaim from me.

Ya can consider me VT, because you shouldn't care about what role I carry if you're town.

[Klazam]

Okay then.

Just hang Kiana slot after me.

Pleasure to play with ya all.

[Klazam]

Joey- I've said who i had on my scumlist. Kianaslot is who i want lynched today. Mark and Ran looks like town to me, and pidgey is scum, but olympics so meh, not lynchable.

[Klazam]

Catholic conversion confirmed

I'm actually a VT. Was hoping being ambiguous about that might draw some murders in the night my way, but eh, it kinda fell apart later in the day.

Honestly im at a loss.

I want to say pidgey is scum, but that isnt so assured because of the strange choice of nk. If Pidgey was orange scum, why would scum wanna reduce the religion spreading pool.

Wait, maybe it was beneficial to pidgey to have more spread shots in his favor, so reducing the amount of opposing religion spreaders in order to do that?

Question- Why would scum use a spread religion shot on someone who is a very easy lynch (me at the moment)? As opposed to Chara who is universally townread and unlikely to be lynched?

Thought- only Orange nightkilled, Red used power instead of nightkill? Pretty sure mod said that it was one or the other.

[Klazam]

uh, im catholic, never got other conversions.

Also, conversions override other conversions.

And yeah-

Generally if you are vt, and are pushed to claim, it is better you don't claim in hopes that scum may think you are a PR. Yosarian has convinced me of that.

is exactly what i was doing. consider that my meta as a PR is to generally be in the same position that i was- being scumread but not exactly lynchworthy, i thought that i might as well play around with that.

[Klazam]

wait what the fuck.

Pidgey targeted me N1? link me to that. Defintely didnt get anything N1

[Klazam]

Yeah no, Pidgey converted brass, but was beat to it by A50

[Klazam]

ugh im going back to check, that's confusing

[Klazam]

N3.

Checked, and said that pidgey failed to convert nero

[Klazam]

i swear i remeber there beng a doubletarget but guess i was wrong

[Klazam]

12 players

2 orange
1 red

We can afford a mislynch or two i think.

thoughts-
Shaziro being orange with gamma kinda scares me here. either theyre both town or both scum together.
Other than that, im kinda at a loss. everyone seems to be playing like town to me.

I know i've been a distraction in this game, so if i gotta hang, im fine with that, hopefully it'll let you all figure out things. I want to get into the game, but im not sure what i can do. like i said, im sorta townreading everyone at the moment, so obviously i made a misstep somewhere. If anyone has ideas for how i can try and reevaluate things and get more in the game, that'd be welcome.

[Klazam]

Klazoum, if youre town can you genuinely make an effort to reread and form your “head” about town pov atm? I want to revisit the reads id had for days includind your slot

yessir

[Klazam]

Nah, I'm actually vt, not bp. If I was bp, I'd have claimed a PR straight up probably.

I'll be rereading shit tonight while I'm at work.

[Klazam]

That doesn't make sense. How does a doc know where shaziro visited?

[Klazam]

HEAL: all on brass for host

[Klazam]

I'm down for Pidgey dying today. I'm fine with Klazam going too, expected him to try a little more, and I see nothing. I feel Chara may be the final scum in this set.

Tbh I wish I was better than this. Issue is that my reads so far seem to be shit and idk how to change that at this time.

I mean, I need to do a rereading but Jesus 200 pages.

[Klazam]

Tbh i'm here, reading along, but with nothing to say.

I think fighting my own lynch would be a net negative for the town. Scum would want to keep me around, because im easy as hell to mislynch later on in the game.

After i die- look to these who defend me (indirectly, probably) for potential scum. (which probably points to two people, if i recall things: OnTheMark and Bujaber)

I dont think Shaziro is a sk here. OTM's pushing on this pings me here because its a pretty far reach, the things he says.

Ranmaru taking up a very active role and replacing back in his own slot gives me good feels.

[Klazam]

Brass, Gamma, Joda, Shaziro, Ranmaru Town

IDK
Chara, Marshy (i'm a believer of the orange in marshy/pidgey theory)

Scum
Pidgey, mark, bujaber

Ran, why are you demanding my vote on mark here?

[Klazam]

That question is on principle, but yeah, no reason not to

VOTE: onthemark

[Klazam]

Oh, and thor town

[Klazam]

If you want reasoning, i actually can elaborate on the rest.


Actually, now that i think on it, maybe move Joda a bit down to idk, the role works as a scum role

[Klazam]

HEAL: Thor for Olympics

dont want pidgey on that for latter days.

[Klazam]

Ahahahahah

Ok

Orangey, time to hunt for ya

I'll be back with content.

Well done brass!

Right now I'm pretty sure orange was on my wagon since I was the counterwagon to Mark. This is doubly likely because of the way Mark voted me- very much like "I know he's town so I want town red for my relutance for voting him" which suggests to me that orange was pushing me hard.

Also part of this theory is that red would want to hang Mark not me because I was universally suspected for being red mafia- hence me living longer means that less suspicion goes red's way, and lol I was right on that.

On the pedit I was fingered as possible orange? I laugh in your face. Varsoon tried to hang me, I was Mark's counterwagon, and he tried to hang me. I think not.

Master level analysis coming g upsoon of who I think k is orange now

[Klazam]

I suspect yes also

[Klazam]

HE didnt bus the shit out of me, his vote on me was reluctant. and tbh i was doing jack shit, i'd have been a easy bus.

Final votecount of D4 on me:
Klazam: marshy, Gamma Emerald, BuJaber, Thor665, OnTheMark

Gonna say I still believe Gamma and Thor to be p much conftown. Bu being on me makes sense in general, been on me for a long time. marshy is the religion spreader here.

Final votecount of D4 on Mark:
OnTheMark: Shaziro, Klazam, Jodaxq, Ranmaru, Pidgey, Brassherald, Chara

Hm. Would orange bus or push elsewhere as a counterwagon here.

Pidgey- as scum, which would you be more likely to do?

On another tack-



Im gonna sort this to..

Town:
brassherald, Gamma Emerald, Jodaxq, Thor665, Klazam

Possible scum:

BuJaber, pidgey, marshy

Oh- Gamma and Joda- any action results last night? or anything?

[Klazam]

TOWN
almost50
pidgey (not aligned with varsoon)

ORANGE POTENTIALITES
marshy (POE based from exempting pidgey)

Titus (Varsson fencesits so hard on this)

BOTH
BuJaber (Varsoon chainsaw defence, Dunk auto-townreading him in a crowd of confirmed townies)
Kiana Kaslana (did not see any scum mention this slot whatsover)

RED POTENTIALITIES

Chara (not aligned with varsoon)

Casear (Maybe due to dunk's drawing connections between townGamma and Casear?)

going back to an ancient post of mine, i feel good heh.

[Klazam]

Its either marshy or Bu, i'd say.

marshy goes first though

[Klazam]

HEAL: brass as host, with all of my votes let's get this out of the way.

[Klazam]

I'm torn, Marshy more likely scum by play, pidgey more likely by claim.

I'm good with either order.

how come? they claimed the same thing

[Klazam]

Hmm. I dont think flavor would matter in this context.

[Klazam]

if you think im scum, you give me too much credit as a player

LOL

ME RIO EN EL SUELO

I dont think youre scum for what its worth, just wanted to see what you'd say there.

Pretty sure its between bu and marshy here.

[Klazam]

P, I’m wondering that too, what if the mystery scum is an anti religion role. I wouldn’t know how to design that though, given that religion had a pretty small impact other than when we announced Taoism as world religion.

I’d still hang marshy first, then figure out the rest.

[Klazam]

Titus was on the creature wagon

[Klazam]

Thor, i remember reading over interactions between varsoon and pidgey and thinking they're not on the same team

[Klazam]

Yeah no. Jodax's alibity is confirmed as is, and inventor/roleblocker/doctor in the same mafia group? I don't think so (even if it's a tracker, which is the one confirmed thing from joda)

[Klazam]

Also ran was clearly wrong because his theory was on 4 orange 2 red. It is less plasuible when it's 4 orange 3 red, and the power level of the oranges in that situation is too much.

[Klazam]

No Bu, you keep on discounting yourself as a possibility, which you shouldn't at this point.

Im down for the marshy lynch then if that doesnt pan out, it HAS to be Bu. Probably is marshy tho.

[Klazam]

Pretty sure at this point we have 2 lynches, and Bu is working so hard to be the third lynch here.

Also im pretty damn sure that pidgey is town here.

[Klazam]

Let me check our numbers here, brb

[Klazam]

Ok im wrong. 3 lynches if no shenanigans happen (8 -> 6, 6 -> 4, 4 no lynch -> 3, 3 LYLO)

[Klazam]

Bad, pidgey, bad boy! Stop voting yourself.

yeah, not hangng the bird.

We're hanging marshy.

[Klazam]

Thor, im not voting because im waiting for the world congress thang to fire

[Klazam]

alright then, no reason not to wait on that then

intent to hammer- is there any reason not to hammer now?

[Klazam]

hmm, i dont see a reason not to.

VOTE: Marshy

lets do this.

[Klazam]

Oh hell yes finally

BRB with thoughts later

Also my reads post was perfect omg

[Klazam]

TOWN
almost50
pidgey (not aligned with varsoon)

ORANGE POTENTIALITES

marshy (POE based from exempting pidgey)
Titus (Varsson fencesits so hard on this)

BOTH
BuJaber (Varsoon chainsaw defence, Dunk auto-townreading him in a crowd of confirmed townies)
Kiana Kaslana (did not see any scum mention this slot whatsover)

RED POTENTIALITIES

Chara (not aligned with varsoon)

Casear (Maybe due to dunk's drawing connections between townGamma and Casear?)

going back to an ancient post of mine, i feel good heh.

Got it. Hah.

Need to stick to my guns more. And idk why Bujaber was sidetracking me so hard.

[Klazam]

Wait a second. Chara was a strongman.

why did brass live forever?