VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Maid Cafe]

The team is MC, RR, Venmar, A50 you got one of us.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

We should play fun games like.

Cop, Vig, Doc where we give 3 names for each catrgory.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

beeboy keeps making me paranoid of Maid Cafe.

B)

[Maid Cafe]

Cerb, the game is like fuck, marry, kill, except it's with PR actions. and a way to discuss reads

I'd play fuck, marry, kill but it probably breaks a few site rules.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Why would you cop a miller :^)


~B

[Maid Cafe]

@Cerb yes I can gain mana through other means that are also public.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Chara I am pretty sure is just town this game.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I don't think Chara would pull a gambit like that as scum and also attempt a playstyle change on a scum rand.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Honestly Skybird is just town sorry Maki lol

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Maid Cafe
RR
Dunnatral
Mastina/Yume
Bronya
Skybird
B&M
Chara
Venmar

Hmmm

[Maid Cafe]

I had you at null before.
I town read Kiana's general engagements and I think the approach you take as scum is to buddy me not hard tin foil me.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I am saying I feel like your tin foiling me this game.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

You guys should just join my super spicy Micc wagon.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Being a leading wagon is so exciting!
Also hi Ali!

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I have an odd feeling you guys wont let us have mana easily :(
Which I want to deal with sooner rather then later.

~B

Pedit: Micc

[Maid Cafe]

I have an odd feeling you guys wont let us have mana easily
Which I want to deal with sooner rather then later.

~B

Pedit: Micc

I don’t know who “you guys” is but I think the amount of antitown that happens if everyone has mana is disastrous. This game has is and always will be about voting.

I agree town having access to abilities is 100% bad.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Generally I have been back and forth on Titus this game.
I have other scum reads but I am holding them close to my chest atm since I want to work them out a bit more.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Maid Cafe
RR
Dunnatral
Mastina/Yume
Bronya
Skybird
B&M
Chara
Venmar

Hmmm

Cerb, Chara and Dunnstral I probably feel best about right now.

Everyone else I am unsure on but it's good enough for now.
Skybird is probably a mislynch but i keep failing to put in the effort to read the slot in the way I want to.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

My test went ok, although I am kind of tired right now.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

If someone votes one of Micc or Alisae in there next post i can get the mana stuff out of the way.

[Maid Cafe]

@Titus

[Maid Cafe]

M

AGIC

THE

G

ATHERING

DECKMASTER

MAFIA

GAME STATUS:

DAY 1

DEADLINE:

(expired on 2018-03-27 20:30:00)

PLANESWALKERS (FULL PLAYERLIST):

Spoiler:

Iconeum
OnTheMark
Shining Dreamers (Hydra: Yume & Mastina)
Chara
Baku and Munna (Hydra: Randomidget & Shiro)
Maid Cafe (Hydra: Maki & Beeboy)
Creature
Bronya Zaychik (Hydra: Titus & Kiana Kaslana)
Almost50
Reasonably Rational (Hydra: Cerberus v666 & Drixx)
SnarkySnowman
Tibor and Lumia (Hydra: brassherald & Gamma Emerald)
Alisae

Taly

Skybird
Micc
Venmar
Dunnstral

THE BATTLEFIELD (ALIVE):

Spoiler:

Iconeum
OnTheMark
Shining Dreamers (Hydra: Yume & Mastina)
Chara
Baku and Munna (Hydra: Randomidget & Shiro)
Maid Cafe (Hydra: Maki & Beeboy)
Creature
Bronya Zaychik (Hydra: Titus & Kiana Kaslana)
Almost50
Reasonably Rational (Hydra: Cerberus v666 & Drixx)
SnarkySnowman
Tibor and Lumia (Hydra: brassherald & Gamma Emerald)
Alisae
Skybird
Micc
Venmar
Dunnstral

THE GRAVEYARD (DEAD):

Spoiler:

EXILED (MODKILLED):

Spoiler:

No one, and I aim to keep it that way.

THE LIBRARY (GAME EVENTS):

Spoiler: TURNS 1-4

TURN ONE:	TURN TWO:	TURN THREE:	TURN FOUR:
Votecount 1.0 Votecount 1.01 Votecount 1.02 Votecount 1.03 Votecount 1.04 Votecount 1.05 Votecount 1.06 Votecount 1.07 Votecount 1.08 Alisae replaces Taly Champion of the Parish is played Votecount 1.10

I have an odd feeling you guys wont let us have mana easily
Which I want to deal with sooner rather then later.

~B

Pedit: Micc

I don’t know who “you guys” is but I think the amount of antitown that happens if everyone has mana is disastrous. This game has is and always will be about voting.

I agree town having access to abilities is 100% bad.

~B

Or anyone who wants to save time really

[Maid Cafe]

I like how those 2 quotes got into my multi quote.
When neither should have been there

[Maid Cafe]

Your supposed to let me bold text in thread

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Cerb you dont appear to be voting anyone

~B

[Maid Cafe]

UNVOTE:

[Maid Cafe]

Sacrifice: Alisae

Gottem, worth it for the mana

[Maid Cafe]

Sorry wait

[Maid Cafe]

i pledge my vote to micc

[Maid Cafe]

Can I let that resolve first?
Ty

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I think I really wasnt intended to use my role this way so idk if unvoting before the vote count fucks it up

[Maid Cafe]

Its like Russian roulette to see what set of bold text isnt a fake claim

[Maid Cafe]

Ok play can continue as normal

[Maid Cafe]

Titus can you vote me again so I can vote Micc ty.

[Maid Cafe]

Alisae self voting for 1 post would prolly do it as well.

[Maid Cafe]

VOTE: Micc

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I am going to claim something I prolly should have approached subtly but it heavily helps the town to target us with actions that grants our slots abilities/items/whatever you wanna call it.

When we gain an ability as a result of another player/Creature's spell or ability (which is all actions) we will "power up", well not exactly but I don't really want to claim that part.
But essentially just give us free stuff since it's more cost effective then giving other players stuff in a pretty meaningful way.

~B

For future use, items and shit (creatures wouldn't give us anything but enchanting my creatures would count is a clarification I never made) should go on me or a town that won't die.

We may need more votes to combat scum if there is a trend of creatures that can vote.
Since we don't want scum to collapse on us by having too many votes.


~B

[Maid Cafe]

Giving us a Creature accomplishes nothing.
Enchanting a Creature we control _does_ help.
Or Enchanting us directly.
Or giving us an ability/item directly would also help.

Sorry unclear claim I didn't think or know how it would interact with tokens at the time.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

A good chunk of the thread doesn't TR Mark.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I'll share my Micc case eventually.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I'll share my Micc case eventually.

~B

On a serious note, I will do this and give Micc enough time to reply to it before the end of the day.
The game is revolving around my slot a lot and I don't really think now is the time for me to hard push someone and have the game revolve around my slot even more.

Like shit like the Alisae case may not have been made if I posted mine first and people may just sheep my case and not come to there own conclusions first which is generally not great for the town.
I am kinda surprised no one has called me out for never saying why I think Micc is scum but that is why I am approaching this the way I am.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I just got Xenoblade chronicles 2.
Bye everyone i hope you have fun in this game o/

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I just got Xenoblade chronicles 2.
Bye everyone i hope you have fun in this game o/

~B

isn't the tutorial extremely long for that game?

I am pretty sure I am still in the tutorial

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I kinda like how info is being slowly fed to me, rather then me just forgetting about half the game.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Game reccomendations btw.
New Zelda or Mario Odyssey?
I am not sure which one is better since they are both kinda great.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

My partner and I have a color PT. It's a large neighborhood. She has a theory that four more PTs exist for each color.

Interesting. Who is in it?

Don't answer this pls.

[Maid Cafe]

Why shouldn’t she?

If it has all of one color and likely has a scum in it, then we are only sharing information with town.

I mean your just describing chance atm, roles don't pertain to alignment even if there probably is scum in a pool of 3-6 people.
People in the hood have just as high odds of being scum then anyone else so outing it is pointless.


~B

[Maid Cafe]

Also bee opinion on mastina please

I was rolling with town but the slot was kinda burning through that cred and I haven't read your case yet.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I think we have no reason to believe scum is in the hood beyond rand and it isnt info that is relevant to the town atm.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Okay Beeboy

Let’s assume there are more than three people in the hood. You mastina and random and this other group of players. For sake of argument I will call them silent hood people.
Let’s assume random is scum.

Random would tell the scumbuddies who the silent people are yes?

What do we gain by having town know about the hood?
Also what reason do we have to believe "random" in this situation is scum beyond rand chance.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I mean why is Random more likely to be scum then town in this hypothetical situation if Mastina and I are town?
Random always has a 25% of being scum regardless of anyone elses alignment in the hood.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

See your logic fails when you start to take a random subset of 4 people.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Because a pool of 3 players that contains 2 town and 1 scum and a random pool of 3 players are not comparable.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Bee doesn't want to argue stats with you math so I'm tagging in
what's up
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

For anyone who wants to know yes I've read the thread I've just gave my comments to bee and haven't been posting
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

FINALLY Maki gets to post, and I'm feeling better about that slot already.

babe I'm always here if you need me ask bee and he'll page me
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

What’s up is you need to put the fourth member of the hood. It’s pretty straightforward.

But monte hall problem doesn't work in the way you brought it up.
Why do we need a 4th? I'm obv bias cause I've heard bees argument whats yours
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

For anyone who wants to know yes I've read the thread I've just gave my comments to bee and haven't been posting
~Maki

Why haven't you been posting?

I didn't know I needed a reason?
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

I know I feel special
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Because Bee said there was a fourth member when he said 25% scum.

that is the % chance someone rolled scum that isn't yourself
Also the problem with the monte hall argument is you know a car is behind a door in the monte hall problem here we don't Car=scum in hood

[Maid Cafe]

~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

we don't know if a scum is in the hood or not could there be? Of course but we have no reason to believe so atm you can say mod meta etc but that leads to wifom arguments
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Anything else? you know I love working with you cause you were one of the only reasons I logged into Civ mafia (Yes I am buddying)
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

% doesn't work in this case because the set up was made by someone it's not like "oh here are 4 neighbor slots let me rand ali to see who gets one" if it was yes % would be something you could talk on but here you can't because varsoon made the set up.~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Are you arguing it’s an all town hood? It’s already demonstrated has less than a 21% chance of likelihood.

So it’s literally roughly 80% chance one of us is scum unless you’re seriously arguing that a four person

masonry

exists when Varsoon is on record explicitly saying he freaking hates innocents and that all roles were built before alignments.

And we know there is a scum in the game. That’s why I said best odds is to swap not a guarantee that there is a scum.

All said and done assuming two town in the hood the odds of the remaining two being town are damn near ridiculous. It is

possible

but considering how much is stacked against it you’re looking at just being a stick in the mud.

Okay this argument is seriously bad
Like Varsoon did roles before alignments, but unless you wanna argue that Varsoon deliberately making someone scum for a not-all-town hood isn't non-randomness in alignment generation, your gonna have to realize what you're proposing is bastard modding.

It’s actually the other way around.

Beeboy/Maki are assuming an all town hood.

I am assuming randomly assigned roles.

I'm not assuming an all town hood I'm saying using % to say scum is in it is incorrect
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Either you are assuming an all town hood or scum know all four members. Period.

I'm...not doing either math I don't know why you're getting so worked up when I'm just trying to have a conversation with you but I'll stop jeez
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Scum in a hood tell their buddies they are in a hood. Do you agree with this premise?

Yes of course

[Maid Cafe]

We'll take it step by step until we find something we disagree with okay?
~Maki
Pedit: Yes I agree scum would say the buddies in the hood

[Maid Cafe]

If scum are in that hood yes
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Bee doesn't want to argue stats with you math so I'm tagging in
what's up
~Maki

Wait you have the patience for this?

I deal with you don't I?
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

How do you believe Varsoon made the roles?

It's...his game? It's magic game plus a upick he had to make the roles
~Maki
Pedit: I think he did Color>Ali>Roles

[Maid Cafe]

Or do you think a third option?

How do you define roles are independent of alignment?

I don't think he random'd a pre built set up in scum is a neighbor in that hood it's because he made it that way not because he random'd and said ____ landed on a neighbor as scum so they get it
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

How do you believe Varsoon made the roles?

It's...his game? It's magic game plus a upick he had to make the roles
~Maki
Pedit: I think he did Color>Ali>Roles

Finally, Flavor has no bearing on alignment. All alignments were generated AFTER roles were created.

From the opening. Your suggestion is impossible. Alignment is AFTER roles.

oh shit
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

That still makes the point of he built the set up not that he made it so a scum random'd onto neighbor
Pedit: Yes I do agree

[Maid Cafe]

I wish for a hug.

*HUG*

[Maid Cafe]

So roles were made
then random'd
wth an = chance to be scum

We agree on this ye?
~Maki
Pedit: Mhm mhm

[Maid Cafe]

mhm

[Maid Cafe]

Okay then any two players have a 13/17 * 12/16 odds of both being town before the first post.
Then any three players have a 13/17 *12/16 *11/15 odds
Any four players have a 13/17 * 12/16 * 11/15 * 10/14 odds of all being town yes?

So 13/17*12/16*11/15*10/14 is right around 30 percent random chance the hood is all town. Before taking in the problem of assuming two players are town.

Now the most likely answer is one of the players in your hood is scum?

okay now we find the issue at hand

the problem is we don't know for sure if there is a scum neighbor role to begin with it is possible but not 100%

[Maid Cafe]

If the hood was like "Oh this person gets to be in a hood" and the hood was dif from roles then yes your argument works but if the neighbor part is part of the role it doesn't.
Get what I mean
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Hey Claire, since you're around
what's your opinion on mastina?

scumlean but not good enough that I'd feel confident lynching her.
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Okay I think that covers it?
Anything I'm missing before I go back to my video games
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Yes this day needs to end.
I want it to end too.
However I know the things in 1921 are things I would like to see and Cerby wants to get done.

btw Claire you'll work just fine as a Bee replacement.
Can you talk to me about your feelings skyburd, Gamma, Baku, and loserstral?
Also if there's anyone I should be scumreading, who?
I would like to refine my reads a bit before I am okay with ending the day really.

Skybird: Is scum needs to die
Gamma: Let me read that a little more
Baku: Null but bee trs
Dunn: Null/scummy

[Maid Cafe]

idk what hood yall are talking about btw
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

idk what hood yall are talking about btw
~Maki

Oh there’s a colorless neighborizer guaranteed to be town.

Still don’t want to put the fourth member of your hood that you share with Mastina/Yume/Random?

that...hood doesn't exist
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

idk what hood yall are talking about btw
~Maki

Oh there’s a colorless neighborizer guaranteed to be town.

Still don’t want to put the fourth member of your hood that you share with Mastina/Yume/Random?

that...hood doesn't exist
~Maki

I don’t know if the hood exists but I am 100% sure the neighborizer does. Varsoon told me it does.

there is no hood friend.

[Maid Cafe]

our slot is in no hood of any kind

~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

idk what hood yall are talking about btw
~Maki

Oh there’s a colorless neighborizer guaranteed to be town.

Still don’t want to put the fourth member of your hood that you share with Mastina/Yume/Random?

that...hood doesn't exist
~Maki

lmfao
this arguement started because yume said she was in a hood and Math wanted to know who was in the hood and Bee was like "don't answer that."

Oh baby
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

I have no idea what bee said but if he said we were in a hood he was fucking with you yes
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

I thought this was an argument on if we should lynch in the hood because it's a high % scum were in it not that we were in one

[Maid Cafe]

I thought this was an argument on if we should lynch in the hood because it's a high % scum were in it not that we were in one

I thought this arguement was about which one was better: waffles, pancakes, or french toast.

pancakes

[Maid Cafe]

Okay Maki away if you need me let beeboy know

[Maid Cafe]

Stop shitting on my favorite roles.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I'd think mafia miller

stop right there.
Where was the last time you EVER saw a Mafia Miller.
I never even seen one in my life.

Like
these things don't exist imo.

I know GIF told me about a game that had one.
I forgot what the game was though.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

That's pretty cool not gonna lie.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I liked the Micc wagon more then this one not going to lie.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Generally, I just don't see what Mastina's agenda is here as scum?
Just to wall so much throughout a catch up that people aren't willing to lynch her?

Like she definitely won't get me dead. And spew clearing me isn't the best idea either since people may just get naturally paranoid of me if the scum team decides that other people are a larger threat then I am. (4 slots potentially may be seen as more threatening then me which is a lot)
Idk I am not really sure what Mastina would be doing here as scum.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Although Mastina is voting Skybird now which I didn't notice.
Hm

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I mean I am blatantly setting up to counter wagon.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Just vote Micc and call it a day.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Maid Cafe, who do y'all want?

Micc.
Where are you at?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I like how I've used like 50 posts to ask for mana and no one called me out on it.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I also love how no one has called me out on only pushing Micc all game.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

My dice rolls are statistically better then everyone elses dice rols.
So voting Micc is optimal from that POV

~B

[Maid Cafe]

A50 why are you fake claiming you can't vote btw?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

oh wait did you retract that and did I miss it.

[Maid Cafe]

Nah scum is dayvigging you now.

Bang bang: Creature

[Maid Cafe]

Bee: Can I fake claim this
Me: Rather you not.
Bee: "Can I say this so we get scumread"
Me: Nope.
Bee: Can I do t-
Me: NO!
^ Another day in Maki and beeboy hydra
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

maid cafe why have you only been pushing micc all game?

WOW
I HAVE NO IDEA
WHY WOULD TOWN BE ONLY PUSHING SCUM ALL GAME?
WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO DO THAT.

You fucking know it fam

~B

[Maid Cafe]

"Does there exist a role that can steal someones vote"
I want A50 to retract or for that to be answered.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

You should have held onto the claim and uses it as a rolecop tbh.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Might as well let a replacement happen.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

@alisae what your thoughts on doing this?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

This is why I am taking a step back tbh.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Real talk my goal is to just flip scum atm not flip for info.


~B

[Maid Cafe]

Hello new scum player welcome to the game!

~B

[Maid Cafe]

@Chara What's your A50 read?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Can you just give me your blind faith? <3


~B

[Maid Cafe]

SD isn't town reading me this game lmao and I've been calling them town for awhile.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

SD isn't town reading me this game lmao and I've been calling them town for awhile.

~B

What does this have to do with anything?

It was a response to the last post made by a person who wasn't me.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Can you just give me your blind faith? <3


~B

I mean I can
But I feel like this is an excuse for you to be lazy and your explanations are my catnip.

And no I am not going to bloc with mastina I want mastina to

But I will bloc with Bee

I am getting my reads through 3rd party tools so I can't really explain them

But on a serious note I'll talk them out on friday once I am done with my test.
Until then I'd rather not get into it.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

RR your in my town bloc ^-^

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Xenoblade Chronicles 2 > Spending the time it would take to explain my read instead saying why I can't explain my read > explaining my read.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Ok to put my read really simply because I like to lie to myself and say I am studying while I procrastinate. And I am stupidly lazy atm.

Compare how Gamma plays in the average town game to his play here. Gamma is typically a super open player like Creature levels of open and it's just super apparent when you read his town games when nothing he posts makes sense because its all just his raw thoughts and it's just generally obvious town. And it's not like Gamma is at Mark's level where he can emulate that as either alignment.
Just generally i think his average town thought processes aren't really present and it feels a lot more like a player going through motions then anything else. Like his most recent post really just read as scum posting for the sake of it and I can pull up other posts but that is just the trend I get while reading his posts.

Like I feel like if you just read his ISO it's just really obvious there is just a closed nature to his posts that really is never there when he is town.
Sorry if this is poorly explained but that's generally why I think he is scum.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

WE DID IT

[Maid Cafe]

Has A50 retracted his claim yet?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I think it's established it's a fake claim.
I am just not sure if that has anything to do with his alignment.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I low key didn't want you to give me the Creature because I want to play some dope af bombs tonight.

~B


pedit: that one

[Maid Cafe]

Page Top.

[Maid Cafe]

@Judge this isn't game related but I a decided I am doing a draft this weekend because this game is making me want to play magic.
(lol i coulda pmd this ez)

[Maid Cafe]

I think we should create an arbitrary pool of towns.
Then we rng in that pool, so it isn't directly associated with a player.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Any kind of suggestion is horribly anti town.
~B

[Maid Cafe]

Me, RR, Alisae, Dunnstral, MathBlade, Venmar, Bronya Zaychik
(I am explicitly leaving chara out since we shouldn't stack votes openly)

There roll a dice in that pool take out anyone you don't like but keep the pool big.
Roughly what I think we should do if we are making suggestions.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Hey Chara what are your thoughts on A50.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Not including the claim or whatever.

[Maid Cafe]

I love cooperative games if you guys ever wanted to play one on TTS.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

We could play commander on cockatrice lol.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Hey Chara what are your thoughts on A50.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I think we should just read people based on play and not wagon composition.
I don't think SD is scum so I don't actually care in this situation but for future reference I am going to be against that line of reasoning.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I mean I am voting someone who I think is scum right now.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Micc/Gamma/+2

Is where I am at.
+2 is staying at +2 though since I am unsure on one and the other I need to wait for something to develop.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Does anyone have a Gamma town case?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Why?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

For night actions what i am thinking is.


Doc -> RR
Watcher -> Me
Vig -> Wagon that didn't go through/ Snarky (Vig shouldn't go rambo regardless of what the player thinks of themselves, shooting lurkers/leading wagons is pro town in all situations)


Anyone opposed to my attempt at directing the entire game?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I am like near positive scum mastina doesn't think she can get me lynched. I also don't think she views that as a positive EV play especially considering pushing me isn't the easiest thing and throwing Yume at me early may not be the best idea.
I could be wrong on this and I am just over rating the shit out myself but idk.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I was asking you why that post made Gamma town.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I was asking you why that post made Gamma town.

~B

And I answered?

I liked his push on Purple Heart not questioning Bryona.

my bad. Lol
I noticed after i reread it before you posted this.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

i'd actually agree that just because a player is "strong" they should not get any special treat or pass.

I mostly agree with this.
Mainly because "strong" is stupidly hard to determine as well.

~B

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Hell yeah.

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Pretty sure Alisae is town which is something I almost never feel about him strongly.
It's usually various degrees of uncertain.

~B

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@Alisae SD is town please sheep me blindly, thank you

~B

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I think the notion of Mastina pushing me being a viable scum action, would also imply doing it actually accomplishes something for them.
Which it basically never does.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

It's not even a me thing.
I don't think Mastina opens the game by making the Yume be invested into a push on someone as scum. It's an odd line of play.

~b

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is this play alignment indicative? if yes, why is it indicative of town rather than scum? "odd" lines of play don't escape the minds of scum

Because it forces Yume into following up on the push on me.
It's a line of play you'd make with a more confident/stronger scum player as a hydra partner that can easily make up a case on anyone.

But I don't think that's a line of play you make with Yume. Considering how easily I could have just decided to fight that and force a 1v1.

~B

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I mean like read recent Gamma posts, it kinda feels like he is ignoring the wagon on him and his recent posts aren't really doing much either.
I am pretty sure Gamma is a hit here.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Like can anyone really identify what Gamma is accomplishing this game.

~B

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Honestly he kinda can. As long as Purple Heart screams and demands for SD Gamma doesn’t have to care regardless of alignment.
And I tend to ignore wagons on myself more as town than scum.

That doesn't really address the other concern in the post of "he is not accomplishing much".
Which is the main concern.

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i can't comment too much on this because i don't think i've played with or played much with yume before. however, i think it's safe to say that mastin has been the primary poster of the hydra, despite mastin saying in the beginning that the plan was for yume to be the primary poster and for mastin to take a more laid back role. yume hasn't even had to commit to a 1v1.

Ya this is pretty reasonable.

~B

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Neither is half the game with the rate posting is going on. Why pick Gamma?

Gamma has a large post count.
Who has a large post count and isn't accomplishing anything?

~B

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The entire game. (This is not a joke.)

So.
You
Cerb
Me
Titus
Purple Heart
Chara
SD
Venmar

All aren't engaging and pushing ideas?
Cause I feel like I could say all of them are.

[Maid Cafe]

Your opinion of the game state doesn't take away from the fact I just sorted by post count and listed a wide range of players accomplishing something.

~B

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Unless you feel as though pushing ideas and engaging people about shit that matters isn't accomplishing something?
In which case in your 450 posts you haven't done anything which I think would be a stupid thing to say.

~B

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Let me rephrase what I am saying then.

Gamma has no real compelling original ideas and his posts aren't ever really asking questions that could lead to anything, attempt sway people to agree with him or push his reads it's more an attempt to justify what he is doing.

Is this wording better?

~B

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Also he just lacks the general open and town thought processes of a town Gamma.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

He isn't feeling stuff out at all.
Your putting words and thoughts into his mouth to justify a town read on him.

Which people on this site do so much.

~B

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He wouldn't be posting so regularly not providing anything new or persuading people if he was truly too apathetic to think about this game.
Also that would have been reflected clearly in his posts by now.

~B

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Cerb can you talk to Drixx about voting with me?
I am mainly not pushing Micc still because you didn't want to go there.

~B

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I'd prefer Gamma at this exact moment in time due to wanting to hear from the replacement which is what I'd prefer you ask him about.
But Micc is solid as well.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Spoiler: For Cerb Eyes Only

I also have a super secret pocket A50 scum read that you could bring up.

[Maid Cafe]

i've mainly only played with town gamma before and my answer to this is almost always either "i don't know" or "nothing" (no offense)

I think I can identify what Gamma is trying to accomplish usually.
it's more the entire process and his reasoning is what makes me go "I don't know" (i wouldn't say there isn't reasoning it's just people don't understand it usually) but this time I can't even grasp what he'd be trying to accomplish.

~B

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Wait Cerb ask Varsoon if that's a valid question for you ask.
I am genuinely curious now.

~B

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I mean you can rephrase the question if you really wanted to not include factional PTs.
Then it isn't AI.

~B

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Well I am voting Gamma, so let's roll.

~B

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SD, Mark, Iconeum I don't really want any of those today.

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Chara what did you do
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

~B

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OH BABY HERE WE GO
~Maki

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WELCOME TO THE MOST TOXIC FANDOM EVER FOLKS HERE WE GO ARE YOU READY I SURE AM
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

mafiascum.net is a pretty toxic fandom.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Maki, please help me with something.

what's up love?

[Maid Cafe]

it'll take a bit, i asked you specifically because we're friends. it doesn't have all that much to do with the outcome of the game. <3

You know I'll help you with anything you need ^^ <3

[Maid Cafe]

I am incredibly tilted we got 0 inventions last night btw

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Oh shit the image in the VC redirects to undertale music lol.

~B

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I tried to attack Varsoon in hopes of making the game go back to a MtG game but alas here we are.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

VOTE: Mafia

[Maid Cafe]

This makes me unhappy.

iktf


~B

[Maid Cafe]

At least lynching town helped Chara's +EV strategy.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

VOTE: Gamma

Cerb don't worry we are still in this.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Do you still need my help Chara or you good?
~Maki

[Maid Cafe]

Cerb you know that sword may not be in the hands of a Blue/Green player.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

I'd argue it would be more likely to be in the hands of a white player.

~B

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i'll always need your help, Maki!
but yes, i do, but it will be later. i just got excited and asked you now. haha.

*hug* I'll always be by your side whenever you need me ^^

[Maid Cafe]

Why Gamma I townread you after what little I read and I need a start

This isn't how Gamma plays as town.

~B

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Mostly meta, but I'd say generally I think he isn't really trying to add anything to the game, engage people or persuade people.
He says it is because he can't get into the game.

But idk, I just don't think he's town.

~B

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Who fucking knows creature? I had a way to check, the way to check is gone now, because all the things that were in play before are now gone(maybe they'll be back later and we can check then, but *shrug*).

-Cerb

Cerb we don't need checks to win the game.

~B

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Cerb.

There is 15 possible combinations and 17 players.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Literally there is a guarantee we have overlap.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Cerb what was your guess on our colors btw?

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Then vote Gamma.


~B

[Maid Cafe]

UW decks tend to run good cards.

[Maid Cafe]

Narset doesn't strike me as a planeswalker who has a sword of body and mind.
Maybe Venser but idk.

~B

[Maid Cafe]

Wait what is your flavor Taly?

~B