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Tbf this is pretty close to trueIn post 104, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Ok to be clear. Why do we need to know that you will produce actual content when everyone has posted? Simple answer is that we don't need to know that and you're overly self aware about your need to contribute something real.In post 102, T-Bone wrote:
What is the purpose of this post?In post 99, CheekyTeeky wrote:
What was the purpose of this post?In post 95, Gammagooey wrote:
(when everyone actually gets in here and posts at least once I'll probstop shitpostingdo things in addition to shitposting)
You fail. FoS.
If I were to describe it I'd say more along the lines of 'I know I'm going to be a useless pile of garbage for the near future and want to reassure people that eventually I will give a fuck about the game', but I think I'm fairly self-aware about how I'm playing and how it's perceived by other people.
Also either call me Gooey or call the other gamma 'Gamma E' or something like that cause otherwise this shit is gonna get real confusing real fast-
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Which gammaIn post 235, northsidegal wrote:People i'd vote (in no particular order):
Gamma
hyung
Firebringer
brassherald
Brian Skies
VOTE: brian skies
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So close but so boringhyung wrote:to show how smart he is
and to get a higher post count
it's not very appealing
Vote:mutant
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It's very likely not a crumb regardless of mutant's alignment and he prob knows thatIn post 275, CheekyTeeky wrote:Gooey pitch to me why outing crumbs makes sense as a play from scum?
Mutant's series of posts there just reads awkward as fuck which isn't much but is still more meaningful to go on than basically anything else that's happened this game so far-
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ugh everythings still an unreadable mush
an actual town read: Brian Skies
people I went through their iso a bit and decided I at least dont want to vote them right now: north, vaxkiller, gemereld
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making you do literally anything in this gameArcAngel9 wrote:Whats your motivation here?
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Cheeky do you have like a set of strong townreads/scumreads or like your #1 & #2 strongest town/scum reads you could share or something like that? You've got a lot of words but I can't really tell how strongly you feel about most of your reads aside from you thinking <several people> all being at least vaguely scummy.-
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cheeky's probably a fine lynch, what hyung said about her not knowing what things might get her traction in the game feels at least a little true, newbtown paranoia of people voting you can be a thing but the things she's been talking about in regards to me and brian skies feels more like appeasement than trying to convince people of something for later. and really nobody should have a particularly strong townread on me at this point. I think the mutant sk/survivor thing seems fairly bad too, calling him a possible SK with his play seems real dumb and writing him off as just regular scum like that seems bad.
i have a request tho
can we make arcangel (vecna i wouldn't mind seeing a read from either but at least he's being transparent about not really doing shit atm) have an actual read or two before the day ends. cause if we don't and she's still alive and inevitably completely useless on day 3 i'm going to be mad about it and then if I'm still alive too it'll probably be a whole thing and do you really want that cause I feel like nobody really wants that.
why?Firebringer wrote:Let’s just lynch gamma emerald-
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this pleases meIn post 674, Gamma Emerald wrote:I can make ArcAngel not an issue if you want
getting a word or two from brass's replacement whenever they get in wouldn't be bad either though
just chilling down the post count a bit and letting the game breathe and having a nice time for a real-life day or maybe two before the lynch seems quite nice in general imo
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I swear I ask you guys to have a nice chill time and you all flail in different directions instead
brass is no longer in the game and we're still waiting on a replacement fyi (ut knows about the replace request but hasn't been able to find anyone yet last time I PMed him)
reck and fire are both jacking each other off with paranoia reads when neither of them have done enough to be an solid scum or town read to anyone who knows that they're both decent players when they actually give a shit and try to play the game which tbf they're maybe just barely getting to that point now
This is the second time arc's completely ignored trying to play the game and just asked people who to lynch instead and she's a bad enough player that I honestly think she'd do this as either alignment so let's just make her fucking dead soonArcAngel9 wrote:Sorry for my lousy gameplay town.
So who are we lynching today?
and this feels also v. bad and reads like she's giving into reck to maybe get him to not vote her and go off and vote whatever the shiny new distraction of the day isIn post 820, CheekyTeeky wrote:Fine xRECKONERx you get a D1 town pass. O_O < that's me watching you.
I originally had a vote for cheeky here to get the game closer to ending the day before it gets even stupider but I'm gonna wait until I read over stuff a bit more in the afternoon, I skipped through some wall bullshit this morning and there's like a whole 20% chance that it has something useful buried in the typical 'look at every concievable reason & tangent on why you could maybe be scum' junk so I'll at least try to be as far away from arcangel on the 'being a useless waste of a playerslot' scale before pushing to just end the day.-
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Cheeky why did you like this in particular? like i don't see how it could be alignment indicative at all.In post 792, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Liked this enough to not really review my TR on you til I took a step back.In post 175, xRECKONERx wrote:im gonna vote tbone at deadline btw-
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@Cheeky-how about answer my question first instead of dodging around it for no good reason and then I can probably do that-
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my money's on 'being an ass to try to get everyone to do things the way he wants'In post 891, xRECKONERx wrote: still open to voting hyung if he doesn't come back with a real good explanation for what he was doing
i was gonna say like marquis in survivormeet invitational but apparently that was actually majiffy and Ms are hard.
you know this is fucking stupid to do to someone you apparently think is town right (even though I still don't know why the fuck you townread me either)In post 888, CheekyTeeky wrote:In post 886, Gammagooey wrote:@Cheeky-how about answer my question first instead of dodging around it for no good reason and then I can probably do that
How bout no.
Especially when this is your reason for voting brass earlier in the game
Like if you think brass's pushes didn't make sense, and I'm asking you why you have reads that you seem to have pulled out of your ass, honestly how can you think that's a reasonable thing to do here?In post 423, CheekyTeeky wrote:Oh I misremembered lol. I was TRing Gooey not Gemerald. Looking back Brass on page 12 reads awkward af,literally nothing he said made sense in terms of pushes/reads. I liked Gooey's response to my question on the same page. Brass voted Gooey pretty opportunistically but the reads are also independent each other.
Gemerald why are you putting the NSG TR on hold?
but whatever
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I was actually typing this up and finished when your post ninjaed me cheeky so you can pretend this is for you
after reading those garbage walls I don't agree with north about gemereld being scum but I think she feels genuine in making it, and vax's reactions to various things this game have still been pretty damn good imo
vecna looks the towniest out of the pile of lurkers to me, aside from that I don't have much to say, most of my other thoughts on people's alignments are based on cheeky's alignment and how they've played around her so I don't really want to get into all that atm. if anyone feels like asking me about a specific player I can go into a little more detail on my thoughts on them, just don't expect an actually solid read if it's not on someone I've mentioned before.-
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whether or not you pulled it out of your ass to look like you're having reads and examining people and doing all the 'towny things' you think you should be doing to avoid getting lynchedIn post 893, CheekyTeeky wrote:Well that's a slightly better post. Now tell me exactly what my response to your silly question would've told you about my alignment?-
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pine feels like he avoided your wagon and talking about you for a pretty long while and then hopped on near the end b/c he doesn't have a strong enough stated scumread on anyone else to feel like he can avoid it and feel like it's justifiedIn post 895, CheekyTeeky wrote:Interesting. So no other scum reads? Who are my buddies right now?
aside from that there are 3 people who are basically unreadable imo due to not even trying to play yet (arcangel mutant and hiplop) so maybe one of those-
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...?In post 898, CheekyTeeky wrote:Wow I'm flattered. Yes I'm towning it up not to get lynched because I'm town and I needed to give myself the image of low hanging fruit to get this game going.
The problem I have with you is that you started a case on me already when I was going to replace, I don't see how looking to check if my reads were pulled out of my ass or not does anthing to genuinely progress your read on me. It felt like you already had your mind made up about my alignment but are trying to project an air of objectivity which I don't think exists in your approach. That said, I don't think this behavior necessarily comes from scum given my behaviour so O_O...
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just say what your thought process was in regards to townreading reck for saying he was going to vote tbone at deadline. And if it makes sense then it's fine and if it doesn't it's a very likely you pulled it out of your ass to look busy and try to look town as opposed to really reading reck for that reason
it really shouldn't be that hard-
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I don't strictly agree that my entire read hinges on it but I can see how it maybe seems that way b/c I really wanted that answered so whatever
A lot of your reads seem self-obsessed as hyung said and I think that's generally more likely to come from scum who are paying more attention to who's voting them and why and how to fit into people's reads as town than to evaluate people and find scum, though to be fair a lot of the game so far has revolved around 'are we lynched cheeky or not' so far, plus despite being 37 pages in we have about 20% of the game being completely unreadable due to not showing the fuck up (counting brass being replaced) so I can potentially stretch that to being reasonably flustered town in a hard to read game
But I also think your reaction to Penguin (being a dick for shits and giggles), hyung (saying he's town and you need to process vax & tbone then throwing out a quick scumread on him with like 2 lines of what I think are bad, self-centered reasons), and reck (town for saying he'd vote someone who thought you were scummy, then scum, then writing him off for the day b/c he made a good post, then suggesting he's scum flailing after he votes you literally less than an hour later) are all much more likely to be coming from scum trying to find an out (a way to look town or someone to lynch/push on to keep themselves alive) than town re-evaluating their reads in what looks like areallyhaphazard way.-
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I'd argue that hyung made you a wagon much more than you did but it's not actually worth arguing about. and if you are town i'd say it's prob more my bad than yours for reading you wrong so don't be sorry about it (as opposed to arcangel who will very likely deserve the hot death coming to her for not bothering to play the damn game).
If you want to do something else that might let me read you better though I wouldn't mind an explanation of what you've thought about Pine this game and your current read on him.-
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ehxRECKONERx wrote:gamma read me pls
slight town because nothing you've said so far sounds reck-style-manipulaty and most of it feels genuine but also it's day 1 so why bother manipulating people yet and the things you're genuine about (hating peoples playstyles, softclaiming, tbone thoughts) are things you'd be genuine about as either alignment
slightly more town if cheeky flips scum but still wouldn't be any sort of solid read-
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Cheeky's looked a lot more sane in her past games from a quick iso check in a few of them - there's maybe an argument to be made that the particular situation of this game could cause it as town or scum but it's def. not an overall playstyle thing imo.In post 911, T-Bone wrote: Cheeky has instances of showing thought processes that are explicitly anti-town. Maybe I'm overthinking it and Cheeky is actually scum. I've just dealt with too many players recently who try to be as scummy and as unhelpful as possible (see my team mafia game) that it is obviously something that some players do. Am I overcorrecting in the other direction by not challenging this bullshit more?
Also from her one game I skimmed where she was scum the emoji/O_O -_-' O_O scumtell seems like it could be a thing with her but I think her overall play here is a better thing to go on.-
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@tbone - If it's just the post 888/general dickishness thing I'd ignore it and just go off the rest of her iso for now
if it's more than that and you think most of her 'scummy' play is just anti-town in general and not that correlated to actually being scum then i dunno figure it out yourself but still prob read her iso or some chunks with context and see if you think that mindset comes more from scum or town
i'm personally fine with your arcangel vote too tho so no rush
thats supposed to be a secret dont tell everyone gawdxRECKONERx wrote:gamma's town-
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tbone i physically can't read your wall right meow staring at it is giving me a headache
do your own waffling for a bit instead of outsourcing it and i'll come back and try to read it again later-
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hey brian
do you think cheeky could be a scums
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north is still guttown to me
i dont really remember your case, i remember vaguely feeling like it was more personality-based or based on your experience with her than something I thought was particularly scummy
im not reading over stuff tonight though so ill either do it later or i'd take a summary if you want to make a quick one-
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i saw the 'does anyone really think brian etc etc' at the end and with your earlier anti-town vs realscumz rant earlier i assumed it was more of the sameIn post 962, T-Bone wrote:
Do you even know what waffling is? I don't think you do.In post 952, Gammagooey wrote:tbone i physically can't read your wall right meow staring at it is giving me a headache
do your own waffling for a bit instead of outsourcing it and i'll come back and try to read it again later
My post wasn't even that long, so don't even try to pull that crap.
and no, really, tbf i had 3 whooole beers over the course of the day but it takes up my entire laptop screen and trying to read it gave me a headache.-
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dickholes do thatAlisae wrote:Hyung - I hate the fact he’s trying to rush the day and using votecounts to do so along with just parroting the “CHEEKY IS A WOLF, CHEEKY IS A WOLF” shit its really wolfy and its a great excuse for him to do literally nothing else. It comes across as a wolf that needs to end the day for some unknown reason, and I kind of am having a hard time finding town motivation in his actions. Like I’m sorry, I don’t think town whines “lynch Cheeky I will hold the game hostage by using official votecounts” like a fucking child, I really don’t.
and i've found repeatedly that dickholes can be of either alignment, but are actually at least slightly more often town than not b/c their dickholeism is coming from a place of 'im right everyone else is wrong and is being terrible instead of doing everything I want' as opposed to doing things to cover their scumass if their target does flip town
not gonna unvote cheeky for you thinking the people voting her are scum. if you wanna go through the points made against her and why you think they're not valid then i can unvote then (also nobodys getting lynched for like another 2 real days at least, too many lurkfucks that aren't going to do anything productive to make a lynch happen)-
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@alisae- tho if cheeky flipped town today I'd be perfectly happy lynching hyung (assuming he doesn't show up real soon and provide content on people who aren't cheeky) or any of the uber-lurkers tomorrow just to make the game better
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i missed your simul-post with me before posting that btw alisae
I'm just sayin' that hyung being an stubborn asshole doesn't necessarily make him scum. if you think of it from the perspective of an asshole, it makes sense imo - he's already found scum, he wants to get on with the game and actually get on with lynching scum and winning the game, and so he's trying to force everyone to do what he wants. I wouldn't really call it town-motivated either b/c it's a lot more self-motivated than actually trying to get the town to win the game, but it can at least plausibly come from town.
like i mentioned majiffy in survivormeet earlier, here's a post of him being a stubborn wrong dickhole as town
Spoiler: Majiffy being a dickhole not related to this game
we literally lynched him because he wouldn't do anything except bitch about kmd (who was also town) and then eventually self-vote. He did this as atrackertoo btw. when we had 2 of the 4 scum dead by day 2.
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mutant do you have any particularly strong scum or town reads? All I see that's relevant from you is a vote and an unvote on cheeky recently.-
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I request an official votecount
We've got less than 5 days til deadline friends
If you can at least be voting somebody at this point I'd appreciate it-
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man don't throw out bullshit that you haven't confirmed: have you actually pmed UT and asked if it works the way you think it does?In post 1088, Gamma Emerald wrote:Um that just accelerated deadline dude
Because tbf I haven't checked either but I'd put money on either a)we get the nine request official votecounts and then the 10th is saved for the actual lynch votecount or b) we get 10+the lynch. like the opening post did say the votecount with the lynch would be the last 'official' one of the day.-
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no, it's pretty clear hyung was being a dick and was hoping it worked that way or that people would think that it worked that way
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deadline's ~14 days (13th->evening of the 27th) from the opening UT post
hyung's been wasting votecounts yeah but it likely doesn't really matter aside from making the game harder to go back and analyze through votecounts later, and we haven't had one since friday morning so now seems like a fine time for one-
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so for the V/LA people probably coming back today and anyone else doing their own thing with their vote atm (aka not on arcangel or cheeky)
-How do you feel about cheeky's play on its own, WITHOUT going into her wagon and the people/timing of it? And how confident are you are in that read of cheeky's play so far and why? (I personally think that really early wagon analysis with no flips yet is garbage and even more garbage when its theoretically possible that a majority of the scumteam could have easily just been in the pretty large pile of lurkers that didn't happen to be around when cheeky's wagon was a thing)
-What's your strongest read in the game atm (I'd prefer a scumread but if you don't have any particularly strong ones a strong townread is fine too) and what post in particular made you so convinced in that read? Plz no walls, I can read their shit myself but a summary of why you think the post is scummy/towny would be great.-
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slightly scum I guess? I don't see anything in his posting that scum wouldn't make, but I'd also be utterly unsurprised if we lynched him and he was town and was just having a hard time processing the game after dealing with his team mafia game.In post 1109, Alisae wrote:Hey Gamma (both of them) what do you think of T—Bone?
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cheeky asking 'are we all town?' felt a little bad. still think her earlier play was very bad and the more recent stuff is at least better than that. I'm not as confident in her being scum as I was two days or so ago but I think that's more of me just feeling completely disconnected from wtf is going on this game
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the only person that looks scummier than they did ~2 days ago that's actually posting is mutant imo and it's not like he's actually trying to play the game at this point. i can't read people that don't do shit.
also a counterwagon not existing doesn't matter when 6/16 people (not including t-bone himself) haven't even posted since it became a thing and probably more haven't actually gone into detail reading over everything that's happened since then
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assuming this is directed at me, i'd rather not explain it atmIn post 1264, Brian Skies wrote:What triggered you?
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i mean i'll go ahead and say that my vote for tbone is b/c his posts just now look scummy to me and just give the actual details later, it's not just 'troll tbone b/c he's making big posts'
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does anyone have a reason that isn't undefined paranoia for wanting to lynch reck
cause instead of firebringer's vision of the future where he gets lynched midgame and reck coasts to victory i just see us lynching a decent probably town player and then the game either being abandoned because half the players in it aren't playing it or some fucking terrible mid/endgame where the majority of mutant/arc/hiplop/hyung are still alive and basically impossible to read-
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my reasons for voting tbone btw:
-him bringing up me irritating him about making long posts as the very first thing felt weird and snipey when he's said either in this game or another one that he knows people doesn't have to respond to every little thing brought up to them and I dropped talking about it 2 days ago, and felt like he was just saying it to posture and look irritated at me/the game in general (though I don't think this is particularly bad after factoring in that he's also dealing with a real-life emergency)
-The kind of narration he does in his #1252 really doesn't feel like him scumhunting, it feels like condescending commentary on a game he already knows the answers to where the tone is meant to suggest that he's obviously in the right but wants other people to come to his conclusions for him and I think that type of posturing comes from scum more than it does town
-And I think his scum list in #1258 feels generic and bad and I really don't like his description of hyung and arc as null but slightly scummy but I don't think I can really explain why very well. The last sentence at the end with saying no im not manipulative alisae is being manipulative also feels really overdramatic and posture-y.-
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I wouldn't be incredibly surprised if I was wrong but I'm not just not scumreading either of you yet. you're being standard firebringer and recks being standard reck. reck doesn't like your playstyle regardless of what your alignment is, you're paranoid or faking paranoia about reck being good at scum for the reason that he is in fact quite good at scum. it doesn't seem like a particularly unusually or interesting thing is happening here.In post 1376, Firebringer wrote:
Why do you think this is a TvT?In post 1374, Gammagooey wrote:does anyone have a reason that isn't undefined paranoia for wanting to lynch reck
cause instead of firebringer's vision of the future where he gets lynched midgame and reck coasts to victory i just see us lynching a decent probably town player and then the game either being abandoned because half the players in it aren't playing it or some fucking terrible mid/endgame where the majority of mutant/arc/hiplop/hyung are still alive and basically impossible to read-
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here have a thing i'd say as either alignmentIn post 1380, Alisae wrote:I want to sheep Gamma on T-Bone also considering my prior read on T-Bone was that he was wolfy.
But at the same time I have paranoia that Gamma is adapting his reads to fit the table even though the logic he is presenting is extremely reasonable
I also want to sheep Fire on Reck because I feel like what Fire is saying genuinely makes sense.
Mafia is a fucking hard game
basing your reads on one player on something that another unflipped player is doing is dumb. it's especially dumb on day 1.
like even if you think I'm scum I could theoretically just be bussing tbone here, and if we do manage to lynch a scum today I'd be shocked if there wasn't a busser just given how many players are lurking piles of trash atm.-
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what postsIn post 1385, Firebringer wrote: Ur arguing that I am paranoid of him, I don’t think I am. I mean I do think he is very good scum . I just am not paranoid of it. I think he is scum for various posts which I don’t think is “standard reck” and are scum mindset from him.-
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@fire-
412 came immediately after cheeky specifically asking reck about tbone being wishy washy and I believe that reck doesn't think he can read tbone at all. like i basically don't even try to read titus anymore because it just feels like noise on top of noise on top of noise with no signal to be found.
450 feels like regular reck
Also think that he believes that scum try to mediate between two town if they can to make themselves look better and he was pre-disposed to pay more attention to you and potentially vote you for minor things b/c he thinks your posting style is mostly intentionally unreadable-
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since we've got less than 3 days now btw
people i will help lynch without hesitation: tbone, arc, mutant-
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@reck-you said you didn't like his spamposting and i'm assuming you've either played with him at least once before or read one of his games and know that it's a big chunk of his playstyle.
im assuming you're not asking why i think you're good at scum because that's a stupid question but if you want it answered let me know-
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remember that time that you and faraday were in a hydraIn post 1429, xRECKONERx wrote:
1- okay, that makes sense. it just seemed like you were claiming some authority or somethingIn post 1427, Gammagooey wrote:@reck-you said you didn't like his spamposting and i'm assuming you've either played with him at least once before or read one of his games and know that it's a big chunk of his playstyle.
im assuming you're not asking why i think you're good at scum because that's a stupid question but if you want it answered let me know
2- actually yes, i would like an answer on this
and claimed vengeful
and then managed to not get lynched in LYLO
because I wasn't even in that game and I still remember that-
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He's got 67 posts of utter garbage and has continued to be a pile of active uselessness even when there's less than 3 days left til deadline. I def. wouldn't bet my bank account on him being scum but I think he's the scummiest of the pile of useless players (though I also think arc has no redeeming qualities in her iso whatsoever tbf) and dear fucking god does he deserve a lynchIn post 1413, Gamma Emerald wrote:umm is there any reasoning to the mutant vote other than "he's posting weird"?-
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i think she's not getting lynched today and that there'll be a lot more to go on tomorrow for her since she's actually doing things and will probably be one of the people that winds up being the swing votes for who gets lynched todayIn post 1436, CheekyTeeky wrote:Gooey what do you think about Alisae?
i did think brass looked a tiniest bit town before he replaced out though-
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arc are you done with your week and a half long catchup yet
or have any reads on people at all-
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I request an official moderator votecount
(also prod hiplop+hyung please)
We've got 2 days left ya dickfucks
if you actually want a claim to happen before a lynch and have a chance to potentially lynch someone else with the grand total of about 12 people that will show up between now and the deadline, get on a damn wagon-
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ugh
CURRENT VOTECOUNT
Arcangel (3) Vaxkiller, Tbone, Gamma Emerald
Reck (3) Pine, Firebringer, CheekyTeeky
mutant (3) Alisae, Gammagooey, Brian Skies
Tbone (2) Vecna, mutant
CheekyTeeky (1) hyung
Firebringer (1) Reck
Gamma Emerald (1) northsidegal
Not Voting atm: Penguin
Literally hasn't voted once: arcangel, hiplop
it's 9 to lynch
Continuously updating deadline counter: <Deadline in (expired on 2018-04-27 18:00:00)>
im not keeping track of the order of the votes but this should be right for who's on which wagon
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reck can you vote someone actually lynchable plz
If less than 2 of hyung/Penguin/northside/hiplop/arcangel/vecna actually show up again before deadline I'm seriously considering asking this game to just be abandoned, which is real fucking shitty considering that UT's a good setup designer and put a bunch of fucking effort into this and I'd really, really like to actually play through it, but I really don't want to try to 'play' through a game if it'll consistently be this many people not even bothering to show up and play it.-
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