Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Okay so I'm locking in here

Ventriloquist is lockscum
Impossibear is lockscum
MWNN is probably scum

VOTE: Ventriloquist

*sigh* Didyou even attempt to understand my post? I am trying to work with you.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Verylazy is town being wagoned by scum as a counterwagon to scum!Ventriloquist

The fact that people are defending him says a lot
Impossibear comes in with 'scared of wagon speed' even though I've been hard pushing them for days and have gotten absolutely zero results from anyone.
Also the fact that the way that Jingle talked about me as coming across as town with no skill is always a scumpost.

*sigh* Didyou even attempt to understand my post? I am trying to work with you.

I read all your posts, I just didn't get the things from it that you apparently wanted. You should have just bussed Ventriloquist.

i don't care anymore. i wasn't trying to get you to get anything. i was trying to discuss my reads with you.

whatever.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

fuck off. jingle was clearly wrong about you. and i'm the one who said you had no skill. i see i was right. go away.

fuck off both of you. idiots.

towns these days are garbage. i don't know why i bother with discussion.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

yep. i'm scum. you're so good at this game dude. i obviously never stood a chance

you don't know how to read me at all. do whatever the fuck you want. i'm done. bye

[EspeciallyTheLies]

fuck off. jingle was clearly wrong about you. and i'm the one who said you had no skill. i see i was right. go away.

fuck off both of you. idiots.

towns these days are garbage. i don't know why i bother with discussion.

I told you, go /in for the Mini Theme game in queue, I'm not joking here.

FUCK. YOU. LEAVE ME ALONE. FUCK WISDOM AND FUCK MUFFIN. both players i've fucking blacklisted which you must know since you mentioned exactly them. jfc

[EspeciallyTheLies]

VC 1.04

Tchill13 (2):

verylazy, davesaz

wilky (1):

Tchill13

Ramcius (3):

wilky, Ventriloquist, Alchemist21

Nero Cain (2):

Dunnstral, Ramcius

MariaR (1):

Nero Cain

Ventriloquist (6):

Ouroboros, hebichan, REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE, ManWithNoName, MariaR, Wraith

verylazy (1):

Kaede Akamatsu

ManWithNoName (1):

Ankamius

Wraith (1):

Impossibear

Not Voting:

None

With

18

alive,

10

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-05-20 12:33:41)

@GIF, A VC PLEASE?

Morning shift is a terrible thing.

Let me know if I missed anything. That was a lot of pages to count.

RC. LOOK AT THIS VC. SERIOUSLY. How can you be so oblivious???

[EspeciallyTheLies]

ETL has asked for invests several times and could be godfather, don't waste an invest unles sits a role cop

*sigh*

we are confirmable beyond an investigation, just fyi....

god... you are so thickheaded. you can't even fathom the possibility you could be wrong...

[EspeciallyTheLies]

i straight up hate you dude.... like, you don't get it. i tried actually working with you because your slot was my strongest townread. you didn't bother to even respond to most of what i gave you. you talk about respect, but give none. i gave you plenty of respect. discussed all your reads. tried to work out where we differed. you refused to even consider that you might not be fucking perfect. instead, continually throwing potshots my way, deliberately trying to get under my skin, it's just uncalled for, and then to sit there and just keep doing it... it's so frustrating.

i dont even know what to say anymore.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

you have ruined this game for me.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

and the amount of frustration i have held back in an attempt to KEEP TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU despite your stubborn nonsense, and still not even given an inch, like grow the fuck up. you are not infallible. you are not a god-tier scumhunter. neither am i. but the difference between us is that i recognize i could be wrong.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

you have helped us lynch a townie, that is what i think. you didn't give anyone else a chance to make a case for anything. you kept shutting everyone down. that is not how town work together.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

RMOJ DID YOU CHOOSE TO GIVE TO IT US?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Lol

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Just wait til the next VC...? Is that so hard?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

i don't know the flavour of this game given that I've never played it but I do know that wilky is scummy by play and GIF is the type of person to make a change here + setup stuff sooo yeah

That's fine and understandable. Jingle and I discussed that as well. I'm still interested in your input given my townreads, if you wouldn't mind.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I am willing to brute force this if necessary.

I'm not dealing with this, again. I'm done.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Hey ETL, here's an excellent idea, since you're so knowledgeable of the flavor of this game, and since flavor is so indicative of one's alignment, let's have everyone mass flavor claim so you can tell us who's scum!
Sounds like something GIF would let happen right?!!

wtf is this... when did I ever say that was the only reason I was townreading him? Not to mention, this is rude as hell.. who the fuck actually believes this? You really think I am this fucking stupid?

jfc...

[EspeciallyTheLies]

How about, let's claim IC before there's any reason to!!!!!!!!!!!

YEAH! THAT'S A GREAT IDEA!! WOO!

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Wow are you literal. It's the timing and the tone - something I've maintained since yesterday. The flavor is just icing.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I really don't feel like going into my ISO to quote all the times I talked about wilky's method of countering dave. But go ahead. spin whatever fucking narrative you want. You're a fucking bully and I don't want to FUCKING TALK TO YOU. LEAVE ME ALONE.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I really don't feel like going into my ISO to quote all the times I talked about wilky's method of countering dave. But go ahead. spin whatever fucking narrative you want. You're a fucking bully and I don't want to FUCKING TALK TO YOU. LEAVE ME ALONE.

I've talked about it several times and why i felt it came from a scum mindset, yet you seem to be ignoring it and complainig that RC is ignoring you. RC has no flavor experience, as nor do I, so for us anything flavor related is irrelevant, RC has talked about the reasons they scumread wilky (or I believe they did) as have I.

There's no scum motivation for either of them to claim miller, but that's not a town tell either, simply put if you're miller everyone knows you should claim it in your first post. wilky's entrance was kinda towny, but then he started pushing the flavor claim as if it would confirm his alignment and that's how i started getting suspicious of it, I mentioned this back in day 1 too.

JINGLE PLEASE QUOTE MY SLIP PLEASE

1384 wasn't directed at you.

but i appreciate the explanation. this is the first time i feel like i understand where you are coming from. i need to leave this thing. i'm upset and not having fun.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

you lost your rights to a stay of execution for one day based off of yesterday, sorry.

you're also not confirmed town as of right now and until you become confirmed town I'm not going to treat you like confirmed town.

who the fuck do you think you are? everyone in the thread has a RIGHT to argue their point. STOP. FUCKING. TALKING. TO US.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

YOU

ARE

TOXIC?!???? You think at ok to steamroll everyone in a game. It's not. Whether you're right or wrong doesn't justify being a bully who treats everyone like they are beneath you or like they're stupid. That's not the way to speak to anyone.

LEAVE. US. ALONE.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

like you call me out for abusing strength of personality but you have had 0 rebuttal to all the points I've made about wilky, you're just trying to force of personality a defense. you guys called me toxic for force of personalitying my push yesterday and yet you're trying to do the same thing today when I've gone out of my way to ground my push in stuff that can be discussed universally.

let's get the unvotes so you can get the third vote on Wilky and then we'll get the L-1 and then you can hammer them.
even if I'm wrong here you guys still completely failed to address the reasons that I've given to want this lynch.

you have got to be kidding me. we absolutely addressed your "points". saying we didn't doesn't make t so.

whatever. don't care. don't join any of my games in the future. if i had known i wouldn't have joined this one.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

y the fuck would I ever want to play with someone like you

lol nobody joined this game to play with YOU did they

[EspeciallyTheLies]

anyway i'm mobile and about to be without access for the rest of the night and jingle is gone so... bye.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Guys please don't do this. A huge fight between you will have no winners, it will only make the state of the game worse.

I have to have this fight because Impossibear is scum and conceding the fight means conceding the game to scum.

lol... nope. we're town and you're being decidedly anti town right now. knock it off. i've taken a break and i'll talk to jingle. just leave us alone. if you want to get us lynched go ahead and try but stop with the bully shit.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

WE. ARE. TOWN. from my pov, you're being a stubborn brat.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

and you haven't continually tried to undermine us and discredit us this entire game? come on. just stop.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

RC... you can't see we've solely been reacting to you? We were wrong about vent. That's a thing that's gonna happen on day one. You've never once stopped to consider that we might be on the same side. Both of us have reached out to you to make this a pleasant experience. Instead of giving it a go you went right back to the same aggressive, boorish, rude behavior and act surprised when we react negatively.

It's getting old. You need to grow up and learn to play nice with others. We're going to ignore you from here on because clearly reason isn't something you're familiar with. And that's fine. Some people don't know how to work with people. I get it. But stop acting like we're demons here. It's one thing to believe a player is scum. It's another to seek to ruin the game for them and others, which is something you've already achieved here.

Please. Stop.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

*sigh*

whatever. wrong is wrong but hey.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

If RC is so good, then since he's wrong about us that must mean he's scum right?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

That is literally your logic here....

[EspeciallyTheLies]

then role cop us??? flavor cop us too. do it all. track us. watch us. give us every check under the sun so we can move on.

but then i'm sure the story will be "obviously they're a godfather commuter miller roleblocker duh!"

[EspeciallyTheLies]

totally fucking unnecessary.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

sure. give scum more easy targets. *sigh* alignment of ouro, or you for that matter, was not even a question at this point.

pedit no one was doing that with her

[EspeciallyTheLies]

FYI if it becomes relevant N1 my replacement apparently was affected by radiation and submitted no action.

That will become relevant when I flip. That’s all I plan on claiming and I think if anyone has milk I will be your friend forever. Milk make people strong. Mark hopes people find milk of human kindness soon.

^ not institute

[EspeciallyTheLies]

what if I'm town and you're planning all of your little games around trying to fuck with someone who is town and tired of getting fucked with

This seems familiar.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

RC could be trying to bus Wraith to save Dave. RC Dave Wraith?

No. Stop trying to make associations pre-flip. Please.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

oooooooo

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Once again I

strongly

argue against lynching Dave today. If Dave flips Town then it means OTM will likely get rope tomorrow, even though the possibility that OTM/hebi are being truthful and were just wrong about how the scum directed their N1 shot remains open.

I am not getting rope like ever for the points you mentioned.

Even if Dave is town I have outlined why and then makes ETL have a lot of explaining to do and if the check comes back town and Dave town we know major shenanigans

OR OR MAYBE WE TOLD YOU WE WERE BP??? AND ITS THE TRUTH?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Once again I

strongly

argue against lynching Dave today. If Dave flips Town then it means OTM will likely get rope tomorrow, even though the possibility that OTM/hebi are being truthful and were just wrong about how the scum directed their N1 shot remains open.

I am not getting rope like ever for the points you mentioned.

Even if Dave is town I have outlined why and then makes ETL have a lot of explaining to do and if the check comes back town and Dave town we know major shenanigans

OR OR MAYBE WE TOLD YOU WE WERE BP??? AND ITS THE TRUTH?

And again that would be you SK argument.

THEN I WOULDNT CHECK AS TOWN NOW WOULD I?

[EspeciallyTheLies]

OTM. If dave flips town, and our check shows town, then the obvious fucking conclusion for the N1 kill is that scum hit our BP. Why are you having such a hard time with this???

[EspeciallyTheLies]

#WhenBadTownGetPowerRoles

[EspeciallyTheLies]

#WhenBadTownGetPowerRoles

Omg ETL agrees with me on something

But wilky isn’t bad town just incorrect

I was talking about you.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

You absolutely better not block wilky. We've already discussed that he's not making it to LYLO and that he will be sorted one way or the other before too long. Instead of using your ability intelligently, you're rather trying to play some silly gambit against a possibly useful role that will be resolved without your interference. You are actively going against the consensus agreement of the majority of universal townreads who all also happen to be very good players in general.

If that ain't the definition of antitown, I don't know what is.

pedit:

Yet you continue to attack arguments as bad.

The mere fact I am a roleblocker means I act as a check on Wilky if we both live.

What the fuck... no. No you don't. This would be true if there was only one scum left. Instead if wilky is actually town, not only do you deny town additional information, but you give the scumteam a free block. If wilky is scum, his buddy will just perform the kill.

It's fucking pointless trying to explain anything to you because I know you're just going to keep going on with your ridiculous crap ideas that have no basis in reality.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Popular != right otherwise every lynch would be a scum one.

I didn't say popular. I said most of them are really good players with a history of being right.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Kaede’s made up number

It's not made up number, it's math.

And again I already tore that apart

It’s Dave is scum
ETL is scum
Or RC is scum

Or possibly more than one

People just don’t listen because ETL and RC are more popular and say more bullshit and I can’t communicate as well as others

1 BP
1 RB
1 hider

These have already been claimed. Assume all are town. This is at least 3 ways that mafia can fail the NK.

Whatever. I don't know why I'm still getting involved with this circus. It's cluttering up the thread with garbage.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

we'll be shooting out of RCs scum pool tonight.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I was trying to solve in the hood a bit with rc so I was lurking but now he's gone feels bad ;-;
VOTE: Tchi
this now

Who did your group track?

If we're mass claiming I don't need to say atm
someone else is in the hood as well to back up what I say anyway

Unless you have a result 100%, then you claim it being a no result. You don't have to claim who you tracked but you need to claim if you got a result or if you got no result/did not visit anyone. Not doing so is scummy.

The target did not visit.

then you absolutely need to out thetarget because if the target actually did perform an action then your neighbor is confscum.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Next day, RC dead, Maria claims there is another neighbor (who will actually be scum partner). Refuses to say who it is, that is, until we deliver our shot tonight.

This also very well explains why Ouroboros is dead today and not yesterday.

ETL

That would necessitate scum having knowledge of RC's role N1.

i firmly believe they shot us N1

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Crawl out through the fallout, baby
When they drop that bomb
Crawl out through the fallout
With the greatest of aplomb
When your rad count's getting higher
Hurry, don't delay
I'll hold you close and kiss those
Radiation burns away

[EspeciallyTheLies]

can we lynch davesaz for blatantly pushing scum wincon?

what scum wincon did he push?

I'd rather lynch pmatt today.

that little getting roleblocked thing by OtM yesterday is also

really

fishy...

Explain what you mean.

Let's chat about reads while you're here.

ETL

[EspeciallyTheLies]

alright, my hand is forced, i guess.

my flavor is piper. i'm an odd night rolecop. my pm specifies that i can investigate on every other night, starting on n1.

nero cain did not submit an action on night one. (i've been trying to figure out why, tbh.)

i was unable to investigate tonight.

assuming i'm not lynched today, i am going to investigate tonight within impossibear's scumpool.

this sounds like lies. probably a scum role cop. definitely not piper

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Weeeeeell ETL says they are lying and that they are definitely not piper.
But im not sure how much I can trust that, considering the way GIF designs flavor and roles.

to be clear... i'm not CCing his flavor. I just don't believe him.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Don't be stupid, if you mislynch me you lost the opportunity to mechanically determine Maria.

I agree with this logic, but I disagree with the delivery.

That's not like you, Dave.