Product Placement Mafia (Game over!)

[northsidegal]

Oh I missed you voting me

Yeah this game has been particularly shitty for me from the start so that's not a big stretch only it is because we both know you know better than that.

Why should I know better for you but you shouldn't know better for me?

[northsidegal]

If anything me having modded Gunner Mafia I think I have a pretty unique perspective on your scumgame.

[northsidegal]

Do you think I'm flipping scum?

[northsidegal]

nsg if you flip town i promise i will slavishly scour your iso and put together a case using it

I would much rather not get lynched in the first place. I'm not so egotistical as to believe that my reads are always perfect right now - what I do believe is that, given the opportunity, I could win the game if left alive.

[northsidegal]

Oh I missed you voting me

Yeah this game has been particularly shitty for me from the start so that's not a big stretch only it is because we both know you know better than that.

Why should I know better for you but you shouldn't know better for me?

I don't have mechanical shade on me. Also you aren't very confident in your reads either so it's pretty likely you're scum with a strange way of adjusting your reads, like how can you come into today still fine with your reads after being wrong on vecna? Gamma replacement being towny makes me also hate your approach to that slot early game. There's more to my read than you're acknowledging particularly from yesterday.

I really want to start capsing but I know that that would be signing my own death warrant.

I wasn't wrong on Vecna.

That's factually incorrect. I had him in my "who's left" pool, unlike you who had him in your townreads.

I changed my read on Gamma to town before he even replaced out.

[northsidegal]

I’m trusting Pine on you NSG

VOTE: NSG

this progression is weird but whatever

hail machiavelli

trusting you meaning I’m trusting Pine’s wolfread

Why?

[northsidegal]

I'm literally a sort by post count player. Have any of you ever seen my scumgame?

Here, check out my ISO in this game:
viewtopic.php?t=75513

Oh wait, I didn't post a single time before I got lynched.

[northsidegal]

i think saying "my presence actively helps scum due to claims so i will be a d2 lynch to help sort that and leave my thoughts behind" is a much townier, non-egotistical stance than "no im town therefore keep me around even if it creates a clusterfuck of confusion and mixed signals"

I think i'm decent enough at town to say that my presence helps town enough that it would outweigh any sort of scumhelping confusion, and I really don't think that's too arrogant, just going off of recent trends.

[northsidegal]

i wont do that but thanks for the suggestion

gentle reminder: meta is trash

2017's Paragon disagrees.

[northsidegal]

I wasn't wrong on Vecna. That's factually incorrect. I had him in my "who's left" pool, unlike you who had him in your townreads.

But you showed your disapproval of Pine encouraging a wagon on to him?

Yes I was wrong and now have egg on my face, plus if I was scum I'd probably be bussing him lmao

Where? Quote this, please.

[northsidegal]

Also, NSG, I care very little for constant self-defense.

I'm okay with alternatives. Like, I would be okay with a Mutant, Penguin, maybe Titus alternative wagon.

I don't really feel like you're looking for alternative wagons. Just looking for reasons to discredit the wagon on you and the townreads on me.

I hate people saying this to me so much.

"Defensive".

I mean, most of the conversation is centered around me. Of course that's what I'm going to end up talking about.

Didn't you think what you thought was me trying to shift the wagon to you was a scumtell? How is not looking for alternative wagons scummy? (not even true btw, given my cheeky vote)

[northsidegal]

because I want to and it feels good

"Feels good" in what sense?

[northsidegal]

Alisae's progression on me feels really scummy, honestly.

Could the people who are townreading her explain why?

[northsidegal]

Even if you're all still going to lynch me the day should not end before Cheeky gets back.

[northsidegal]

Didn't I vote Cheeky first though?

Okay, I'll admit that defensiveness isn't a scumtell. I actually said that here.

Reck and Pine are just very charismatic and I kind of want to take a chance on the Roleblocker shot. Worst case scenario you flip town and I'm probably dead within the next two nights anyway. Or you're scum and people lynch me for paranoia that I'm you're buddy (which is a trade I'm okay with).

I've also gone through the effort of reassessing my read on you and you sitting on a scumread on me doesn't exactly incite the best vibes from you.

Who're your scumreads?

What happened to the Brian at the start of the day who looked back at my day one and figured that I was town?

I feel like you're just willing to lynch me now because I didn't locktown you for your claim or something, and I'm honestly not sure if it's coming from scum! you or town!you.

Like, i'm sorry that doubt still remains in my mind that you could be scum? i haven't gotten around to reviewing those scumgames, so i still can't make any conclusive statement on whether you'd do the fakeclaim as scum or not.

I've already given my readslist.

[northsidegal]

i wont do that but thanks for the suggestion

gentle reminder: meta is trash

2017's Paragon disagrees.

2017’s Paragon is a Cylon. We don’t have the same kind of beep boop ability to sift mountains of data to eke out reads.

Anyone who says different is either arrogant (and likely wrong) or is selling something.

Do you still believe that i'm scum for disagreeing with reck? Because i've responded to you saying something similar twice now and both times you've ignored me.

[northsidegal]

-No kill

-You were still voteparked on AA9 at a photo finish deadline lynch on scum

-You also won the votecounter role, which has fabulous utility for scum to manipulate things

-I roleblocked you, which would explain the stopped kill

I think you’re scum for these reasons. The fact that you lurked through D1,

I was V/LA for a week or more during Day 1 and

still

made time to play this game. I literally don't care about scumgames enough to do that.

had scummy interaction with Vecna,

Describe these.

and are stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of the points against you is icing.

See, you take it as a point against me that i'm boiling your point down to "disagreeing with reck", but that's basically what this is.

I disagree with the legitimacy of reck's points.

I disagree.

That doesn't make me scum, it means that we have two different viewpoints.

I really don't like you making it seem like what reck is saying is the unambiguous, absolute gospel and that me disagreeing with it is somehow scummy.

---

These are also all things that i've responded to before.

[northsidegal]

I don't care if you townread me for it or not. I just don't like you going 'Brian's claim is proof that I could be town' while at the same time going '

Brian being town is incredibly unlikely here

.' So far, I'm the only thing standing between you and certain death, so don't fault me for thinking that you don't really get that option right now?

I don't think i've ever said the bolded?

Okay, how about this: i've still yet to look at that meta that you linked and probably won't for a while.

Given that from a probabilistic point of view you just being town seems a lot more likely than scum seeing that opportunity and risking a fakeclaim, I agree that you're probably just town here, pending the meta review. I promise you, I'm not interested in switching the wagon to you or anything.

I'm just going to review the meta, and get back to you.

[northsidegal]

This here seems like you're pushing the idea that town-Me is incredibly unlikely. So...?

two being true implies that three

isn't

true, which implies that you and pine are the only roles that can stop a kill, which i think seems unlikely.

had nothing to do with a read on you.

[northsidegal]

Even if you're all still going to lynch me the day should not end before Cheeky gets back.

stalling

I mean, in the sense that i'm trying to extend the time before i get lynched? Yes.

I have what i feel are

very good reasons

for wanting that, so to just say that it's "stalling" rings pretty hollow as an accusation.

Tbh I would vote NSG if I wasn’t guilt tripped out of doing it every single fucking time NSG complains about being voted for it because even though its the correct play I just feel bad for doing it.

You should know that this isn't my scumgame.

[northsidegal]

Like, what a lazy accusation.

I have an obvious scumread on someone who I want to engage with more, that person says that they won't be around for a while.

Is it unreasonable or something to say "hey, can we not get rid of me before this person gets back and I have a chance to flesh things out more"?

I tend to believe that you're all better players than to make that lazy of an accusation.

[northsidegal]

I have vax as confidently town, have had him that way since very early in the game.

Mutant i have no idea. I still feel like his whole deliberately being weird thing probably isn't scum, but an explanation needs to come out sooner or later (or at all, actually) if he's going to survive.

Hyung seems towny to me. I think he'd flake a lot more as scum (yes, even more), but the times when he's been here i've felt decently towny enough from him. He's in the middle of my readslist.

Gamma Emerald started out as lynchbaity and then i realized i was probably just wrong.

If gammagooey is scum i'm going to cry.

[northsidegal]

Even if you're all still going to lynch me the day should not end before Cheeky gets back.

stalling

I mean, in the sense that i'm trying to extend the time before i get lynched? Yes.

I have what i feel are

very good reasons

for wanting that, so to just say that it's "stalling" rings pretty hollow as an accusation.

there are other players in the game

Yes?

But one of my main scumreads won't be back until then.

I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

[northsidegal]

I have vax as confidently town, have had him that way since very early in the game.

Mutant i have no idea. I still feel like his whole deliberately being weird thing probably isn't scum, but an explanation needs to come out sooner or later (or at all, actually) if he's going to survive.

Hyung seems towny to me. I think he'd flake a lot more as scum (yes, even more), but the times when he's been here i've felt decently towny enough from him. He's in the middle of my readslist.

Gamma Emerald started out as lynchbaity and then i realized i was probably just wrong.

If gammagooey is scum i'm going to cry.

what posts of vax's made you think he was town?

I've talked about this before, i think it was with alisae. it was the whole interaction i had with t-bone early on in the game when he was pushing cheeky.

[northsidegal]

he didn't push cheeky he voted her and then said nothing about it. I see exchanges with tboner but not with cheeky :/

sorry, i wasn't clear - the part of the game when

t-bone

was pushing a lot on cheeky and i was talking to him about that.

my point was that you cld push your other scumspects while cheeky is not around and whether cheeky is here or not shld have nothing to do with that.

i certainly can do that (and i plan to), but i can't push cheeky if i'm dead. me saying that the day shouldn't end before cheeky gets back doesn't mean that i'm doing nothing in the meantime - it just means exactly what i said, that the day shouldn't end before that point.

[northsidegal]

I think my average ~6-10 posts per page over the last 10 pages qualifies as doing something. What are you talking about?

If you mean right now, it's 1 AM. Nobody else seems to be online.

[northsidegal]

Like, did you decide that you wanted to have points against me and then you came up with some? Because i don't think it's reasonable to say that I haven't been doing things.

[northsidegal]

It's 1 AM.

[northsidegal]

is there something that I am missing?

yeah, conversation really started at around 328.

[northsidegal]

like, i've

been

doing things, i don't understand what you're trying to get at when you ask me why i'm not doing things right now.

[northsidegal]

Oh man Reck has me so pocketed I'm scum reading all the people pushing him :/

NSG being quiet makes me feel like when she comes at me it's going to be epic. Noone gets me mislynched more effectively than NSG...although that's town NSG XD. I don't understand how straight AtE is saving her ass right now.

You're the third person to say I'm ateing. How?

Also, I don't think I've mislynched you as town before - if anything, I helped lynch your scum slot in the vig game that just ended.

And yeah, i'm kind of waiting until I have a good amount of time to focus on this game because I think I always get lynched trying to engage this game just from my phone or while distracted or something.

[northsidegal]

Cheeky would like you to answer those last questions I asked you and also why you said I was "flipping town off".

[northsidegal]

All that woe is me I’m so inno LAMIST crap

Quote this.

[northsidegal]

And when you get time I'd still appreciate an answer to this.

-No kill

-You were still voteparked on AA9 at a photo finish deadline lynch on scum

-You also won the votecounter role, which has fabulous utility for scum to manipulate things

-I roleblocked you, which would explain the stopped kill

I think you’re scum for these reasons. The fact that you lurked through D1,

I was V/LA for a week or more during Day 1 and

still

made time to play this game. I literally don't care about scumgames enough to do that.

had scummy interaction with Vecna,

Describe these.

and are stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of the points against you is icing.

See, you take it as a point against me that i'm boiling your point down to "disagreeing with reck", but that's basically what this is.

I disagree with the legitimacy of reck's points.

I disagree.

That doesn't make me scum, it means that we have two different viewpoints.

I really don't like you making it seem like what reck is saying is the unambiguous, absolute gospel and that me disagreeing with it is somehow scummy.

---

These are also all things that i've responded to before.

[northsidegal]

People keep talking about these things that I'm supposedly doing but never actually show me what they're talking about (me "flipping off town", my scummy interactions with vecna, me ate-ing)

[northsidegal]

I'm not asking you to be thorough, I just want you to quote a few posts where you think I'm doing that.

Like I said, when you get time, though.

[northsidegal]

I don't think I've mislynched you as town before

You've incorrectly read me more than you have correctly read me when we were both town. In be yourself mafia you said that you were still reeling from mislynching me and that you were scared of doing so again. Good for you lynching scum? Not sure how that adds anything to this argument. Are you saying that I'm playing the same as I did in those 3 pages I was part of?

Any game where that's happened is months ago at this point. Do you have some more recent point to support this? I'd like to think that for both of us our play has improved since then.

I was an SK in be yourself - lying.

Cheeky would like you to answer those last questions I asked you and also why you said I was "flipping town off".

Sure. I'm not scum I think you're scum is the summary.

Really?

[northsidegal]

Like you're talking about my literal second game on site and then probably my worst game ever as a newbie, both among the first ~4 or so games i played on site for when you're talking about me misreading you.

[northsidegal]

You're the third person to say I'm ateing. How?

You didn't answer this.

[northsidegal]

I'm not saying it's your "fault" that we haven't had games as town together.

You

made the comment that I get you mislynched effectively, when that's not really something that's applicable.

[northsidegal]

You're the third person to say I'm ateing. How?

You didn't answer this.

Saying don't lynch me because I'm town and will win the game for you is AtE.

What I've said today goes far beyond simply that (which i think can barely even be described as ate in the first place given that it was just a comment of my stating my preference to reck).

[northsidegal]

I feel like you're kind of being inconsistent here - are you saying that I always misread you as town and that makes you town, or am I scum pushing for your mislynch?

I don't get what you were saying about my supposed inability to read you if you think I'm scum anyways.

[northsidegal]

Okay, I look forward to it. I also look forward to you responding to the things that I said outside of "I'm town and you're scum".

[northsidegal]

You're the third person to say I'm ateing. How?

You didn't answer this.

Saying don't lynch me because I'm town and will win the game for you is AtE.

What I've said today goes far beyond simply that (which i think can barely even be described as ate in the first place given that it was just a comment of my stating my preference to reck).

By the way, I want to emphasize this point - nowhere has what I've been saying been "pretty please don't lynch me because I'm town and I would feel really bad getting lynched".

Reck was making the mechanical argument that I needed to die because scum would never kill me and I would be a constant mislynch target. What you cite as "ate" was my response to that argument, that I think I can get to a point where either scum

will

want to kill me, or they will simply be hindering themselves by leaving me alive.

That's not an appeal to emotion.

[northsidegal]

NSG I'm trolling you because you're barking up the wrong tree. The questions you're asking me aren't helping me read you at all they're just nitpicking at my posts that I don't see benefit anybody in anyway because I'm town. I will not be answering your questions.

If you're town, please look for scum elsewhere so a) we can read you and b) we find actual scum.

[northsidegal]

UNVOTE:

[northsidegal]

You're the third person to say I'm ateing. How?

You didn't answer this.

Saying don't lynch me because I'm town and will win the game for you is AtE.

What I've said today goes far beyond simply that (which i think can barely even be described as ate in the first place given that it was just a comment of my stating my preference to reck).

why is it that you have the time to engage in a back and forth with cheeky but not enough to do anything useful?

In what sense is talking with cheeky not something useful?

What

is

"useful", to you?

Taking with cheeky doesn't require an in-depth review of the thread which, like I said, I want to sit down to do.

[northsidegal]

I'm thinking she may have towntold.

[northsidegal]

[northsidegal]

you guys must really think i'm stupid or something.

[northsidegal]

by the way, i can finally use this quote now that that game ended:

information lynches are fucking stupid lmao. please never mention that again. your job is to hit scum, not get infirmation from an obvtown mislynch.

[northsidegal]

i know it would be really nice if things really were as simple as "mutant playing weird makes him scum" and "north being roleblocked when there was no kill means she's scum (despite the existence of other explanations)", but they're really not.

[northsidegal]

I'm pretty sure this is where i'm at? the three rows beneath me are all actually loose townreads, mostly sorted in how strong i feel my reasoning is for each person. i'm certain that i've gone wrong somewhere but that's mainly because i'm not really all that confident in any of them.

{nsg}
{vaxkiller, firebringer, cheekyteeky}
{gammagooey, bbmolla, reck}
{titus, brian skies, arcangel, hyung}
{Alisae, LLD, PenguinPower}

[northsidegal]

actually i think i can be reasonably confident in this:

VOTE: PenguinPower

[northsidegal]

i really think we shouldn't let penguin skate by. especially yesterday this was really bad:

Ok..tried reading everything and only got through page 114. I'll push through in the morning.

NSG...you had me as a townread for all of D1 iirc...why?

Sorry. Still waiting for NSG to answer my question.

town penguin actually does things and engages with the thread. i don't think this is town penguin.

interested in other people's read here.

[northsidegal]

[northsidegal]

northsidegal (4):

xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, BBmolla, CheekyTeeky

hyung (1):

Brian Skies

PenguinPower (1):

northsidegal

Not voting (8):

PenguinPower, hyung, Firebringer, Titus, Vaxkiller, Alisae, Lady Lambdadelta, Pirate Mollie

With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch.

Votecounter notes

:
I am V/LA through Thursday.
If I have your vote in the wrong spot, please let me know.
Please stop voting me, I’m town

[northsidegal]

Vote penguin with me, alisae?

[northsidegal]

NSG the way you pegged mutant as town so early after he intentionally played against his town meta, reads as TMI.

I'm so disappointed that you were the first to say this. That you said it at all, actually.

[northsidegal]

Literally classic conf bias "this person who was corrrect on the read i was wrong on must be scum and already knew the answer".

[northsidegal]

Why would someone

intentionally

play against their town meta as scum? That makes no sense whatsoever, and i don't think mutant is one to play like firebringer and do something like claim scum as scum - obviously something else was going on. I thought it was because of his role because of his insistence that he not be quicklynched.

[northsidegal]

Can you please talk to me about your LLD and Reck read progressions? I also remember you defending the Tbone/LLD slot early on.

I felt like T-Bone was town from our interactions earlier in the game but rereviewing right now i had more reasons to townread everyone else (even if they were weak reasons), and LLD has kind of caused the initial townread to go stale.

You could call it a PoE read, I guess.

[northsidegal]

your only good scumread is PenguinPower...
PenguinPower...
PENGUINPOWER

by the way, i'm not exactly sure what you mean by this.

[northsidegal]

your only good scumread is PenguinPower...
PenguinPower...
PENGUINPOWER

by the way, i'm not exactly sure what you mean by this.

Idc about me ur LLD read is terrible

i don't understand how that relates to penguinpower.

and sure, like i said - i'm not exactly confident in most of those, it's just when i sat down to go over my reads again that's how it shaped out.

i think focusing on where LLD is in that list is kind of a distraction? like, right now i'm mainly pushing penguin - i probably wouldn't even feel comfortable voting LLD without getting a better read there over the course of the day.

I want to discuss penguin.

by the way, i can finally use this quote now that that game ended:

information lynches are fucking stupid lmao. please never mention that again. your job is to hit scum, not get infirmation from an obvtown mislynch.

and ignoring night actions is also fucking stupid lmao

so is thinking that the roleblock is a guilty.

[northsidegal]

Literally classic conf bias "this person who was corrrect on the read i was wrong on must be scum and already knew the answer".

That's not what it was at all - I said THE WAY you did it so quickly read like TMI. Ego battles with you are grating and obscure the point of our interactions.

It's not about ego - at least, i certainly didn't intend it at all to be that way.

What exactly do you think more time would have changed about my read? Because it was already obvious just from the weird readslist that he was doing something intentionally - how does the timing factor into that at all?

[northsidegal]

Nvm NSG I’m being misleading.

can you please start giving sensical responses to the things that i'm saying?

[northsidegal]

like, i don't know what you just said means.

[northsidegal]

northsidegal (3):

xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, BBmolla

hyung (1):

Brian Skies

PenguinPower (1):

northsidegal

Alisae(1):

CheekyTeeky

Not voting (8):

PenguinPower, hyung, Firebringer, Titus, Vaxkiller, Alisae, Lady Lambdadelta, Pirate Mollie

With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch.

Votecounter notes

:
I am V/LA through Thursday.
If I have your vote in the wrong spot, please let me know.
Please stop voting me, I’m town

[northsidegal]

no, the point about TMI is something that's at least like, logical in the definition of TMI being knowing someone is town too soon - i just think it's really really silly to apply it to my mutant read.

[northsidegal]

i still don't think i'm being self-inflated or egotistical.

[northsidegal]

honestly, i still haven't checked to see if brian makes the 1-shot BP claim as scum.

[northsidegal]

so is thinking that the roleblock is a guilty.

we have confirmed night action results that explain the nightkill

scum would've shot brian last night if they already cleared his bulletproof imo

and get rid of the free mislynch opportunity on me?

and get rid of the paranoia that brian is opportunistic scum?

[northsidegal]

I find it amusing that people always think that I come up with these elaborate ploys when I'm scum, even though this is never the case.

by the way without even checking this kind of makes me townread brian because it's the kind of thing where it's a lie that it's trivial to figure out so i really just don't see scum lying about it.

granted, he could be telling the truth about the past and just made a bold play here, but that's probably unlikely.

[northsidegal]

I'm pretty sure this is where i'm at? the three rows beneath me are all actually loose townreads, mostly sorted in how strong i feel my reasoning is for each person. i'm certain that i've gone wrong somewhere but that's mainly because i'm not really all that confident in any of them.

{nsg}
{vaxkiller, firebringer, cheekyteeky}
{gammagooey, bbmolla, reck}
{titus, brian skies, arcangel, hyung}
{Alisae, LLD, PenguinPower}

uhm

good morning

I'm fine with a penguin lynch.

Pedit I don't think scum Brian claims 1-shot BP to save town NSG. It doesn't make sense as SvT imo.

mind voting there with me?

and, what's up with the alisae vote? i don't disapprove necessarily, just wondering.

[northsidegal]

northsidegal (3):

xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, BBmolla

hyung (1):

Brian Skies

PenguinPower (1):

northsidegal

Alisae(1):

CheekyTeeky

Not voting (8):

PenguinPower, hyung, Firebringer, Titus, Vaxkiller, Alisae, Lady Lambdadelta, Pirate Mollie

With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch.

Votecounter notes

:
I am V/LA through Thursday.
If I have your vote in the wrong spot, please let me know.
Please stop voting me, I’m town

[northsidegal]

I don't want my penguinpower scumread to be understated here - it's something i'm pretty confident on, and relative to my other reads it's probably my most confident one.

Town penguin sorts more, actually plays the game more (not just talking about activity). From what I remember, he's also a lot more snarky. I don't think this is town penguin at all.

[northsidegal]

[northsidegal]

oh i put arcangel instead of mollie because it still hasn't been updated in the first post and that's where i copy pasted the playerlist from

[northsidegal]

northsidegal (3):

xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, BBmolla

hyung (1):

Brian Skies

PenguinPower (2):

northsidegal, CheekyTeeky

Not voting (8):

PenguinPower, hyung, Firebringer, Titus, Vaxkiller, Alisae, Lady Lambdadelta, Pirate Mollie

With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch.

Votecounter notes

:
I am V/LA through Thursday.
If I have your vote in the wrong spot, please let me know.
Please stop voting me, I’m town

[northsidegal]

oh i put arcangel instead of mollie because it still hasn't been updated in the first post and that's where i copy pasted the playerlist from

[northsidegal]

gaining confidence / reorganizing (arcangel left in intentionally):

{nsg}
{vaxkiller, brian skies}
{firebringer, cheekyteeky}
{gammagooey, bbmolla, reck, titus, arcangel, hyung}
{Alisae, LLD, PenguinPower}

[northsidegal]

gaining confidence / reorganizing (arcangel left in intentionally):

{nsg}
{vaxkiller, brian skies}
{firebringer, cheekyteeky}
{gammagooey, bbmolla, reck, titus, arcangel, hyung}
{Alisae, LLD, PenguinPower}

This looks like u lost confidence not gained any

i guess it's not visible but vaxkiller and brian skies are pretty confident now

i guess this is a better representation? (arcangel left in intentionally)

{nsg}
{vaxkiller, brian skies}
{firebringer, cheekyteeky}
{}
{gammagooey, bbmolla, reck, titus, arcangel, hyung}
{Alisae, LLD}
{PenguinPower}

[northsidegal]

if you think i copy/pasted it before then please show me where my reads were the exact same previously. i've literally said multiple times that when i made the readslist i went to post 0 which still has arcangel's name there and not yours.

[northsidegal]

i should get falsely "guiltied" in more games, it's so engaging.

[northsidegal]

Why is BB so low NSG?

it's more of him just not being high enough as to be put in the next tier. here's what i wrote down earlier in my notes at the start of the day:

Gamma was probably town? I guess him forgetting about the thing on me also makes him more likely to be town (feels genuine to me), given that scum must have discussed the kill framing me

i honestly think he's more likely town than not, it's just not as confident as the other reads.

[northsidegal]

gaining confidence / reorganizing (arcangel left in intentionally):

{nsg}
{vaxkiller, brian skies}
{firebringer, cheekyteeky}
{gammagooey, bbmolla, reck, titus, arcangel, hyung}
{Alisae, LLD, PenguinPower}

so I am in your lean scum pile? or arcangel rather? that is a bit odd since you were treating me like town on d2...

it's the "null / lean scum / unsorted" pile.

where was i treating you like town day two? honest question - i definitely might have because i might have been angleshooting you as town.

[northsidegal]

northsidegal (3):

xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, BBmolla

hyung (1):

Brian Skies

PenguinPower (2):

northsidegal, CheekyTeeky

Not voting (8):

PenguinPower, hyung, Firebringer, Titus, Vaxkiller, Alisae, Lady Lambdadelta, Pirate Mollie

With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch.

Votecounter notes

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If I have your vote in the wrong spot, please let me know.
Please stop voting me, I’m town

[northsidegal]

so you are intentionally leaving in arc even tho she is no longer in the game cos you need to cover up your prvs fuck-up?

i'm doing it more because i thought it would be funny.

do you think i would draw attention to it intentionally if i was covering something up?

i still don't think you've responded to what i've said about this, by the way. can you either quote me having that same readslist as before or explain how me copying the names from the first post is not truthful?

[northsidegal]

North what brought me from 'if I'm scum you'll cry' to the big null ?? pile

being honest with myself and the strength of my reasons and pending a planned meta dive.

would you say that you have a good scumgame, or at least consistently get townread as scum?

Also do you have any thoughts relating to vecna flipping scum and how people talked to/treated him in-game?

nothing in specific - did you have something in mind?

[northsidegal]

????

[northsidegal]

northsidegal (3):

xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, BBmolla

hyung (1):

Brian Skies

PenguinPower (2):

northsidegal, CheekyTeeky

Not voting (8):

PenguinPower, hyung, Firebringer, Titus, Vaxkiller, Alisae, Lady Lambdadelta, Pirate Mollie

With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch.

Votecounter notes

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If I have your vote in the wrong spot, please let me know.
Please stop voting me, I’m town

[northsidegal]

that's an interesting reversal from yesterday. what changed your mind?

[northsidegal]

if she's a mislynch, scum can bank on her being easy mislynch fodder later due to pine's rb claim

by the way, i've been thinking about this and it just kind of bothers me a bit:

if you think that i'm town by play, then why can't we just look at the people opportunistically trying to push my lynch on the basis of the roleblock and use that for scumhunting purposes? i don't understand your fatalistic approach that the fact that there's some reason to suspect me means that i

have

to be "mislynch fodder" for the entire game or something.

[northsidegal]

that's an interesting reversal from yesterday. what changed your mind?

Pine is confirmed town rather than obvscum.

so it's just based off of the roleblock?

[northsidegal]

okay then.

i thought people had already largely come to the consensus that the roleblock wasn't actually a "guilty" in any way.

what's more, you called me obvious town yesterday, if i'm recalling correctly.

do you think that i "have" to be the lynch or something? if so, why?

[northsidegal]

Titus...
Titus...
Titus...

hi do something please

[northsidegal]

people keep saying that, but, like, it really seems to me like it's entirely a prison of your own mental construct.

people agree that i am obviously town.

i

am

, completely objectively speaking, obviously town – i have never once put as much effort into a scum game as this. i literally don't care about being scum. i am a sort by postcount player.

so why does it seem like there's someone somewhere telling people that we

have

to lynch me before lylo for some unknown reason, even if it's obvious that i'm town?

[northsidegal]

like, it's just blindly following a rule. "north HAS to die before lylo". i don't get it. it's entirely a restriction of people's own making.

and people seem apologetic about it, which makes even less sense – like, reck saying that he thinks i'm town but that i have to die anyways, as if there's nothing he could do.

how about this – how about we play based on dayplay and based on reads and recognize the obvious instead of blindly following rules when they don't make sense in their application?

[northsidegal]

VOTE: Reckoner

Nsg I don’t like how ur effort is more focused on arguing with the people who are pushing u for this roleblocker issue.
Can you not and do other things?

It seems like wasted energy and more I see you do it the weaker my tr on u is.

I'm trying to push penguinpower. People seem far more interested in discussing this than that, so that's what I have to talk about.

I really want to hear everyone's opinion on penguin.

[northsidegal]

northsidegal (4):

xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, BBmolla, Titus

hyung (1):

Brian Skies

PenguinPower (2):

northsidegal, CheekyTeeky

xRECKONERx (1):

Firebringer

Not voting (6):

PenguinPower, hyung, Vaxkiller, Alisae, Lady Lambdadelta, Pirate Mollie

With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch.

Votecounter notes

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If I have your vote in the wrong spot, please let me know.
Please stop voting me, I’m town

[northsidegal]

VOTE: Reckoner

Nsg I don’t like how ur effort is more focused on arguing with the people who are pushing u for this roleblocker issue.
Can you not and do other things?

It seems like wasted energy and more I see you do it the weaker my tr on u is.

I'm trying to push penguinpower. People seem far more interested in discussing this than that, so that's what I have to talk about.

I really want to hear everyone's opinion on penguin.

I can easily see penguin scum

But I want scumreck dead.

I want to consolidate on penguin.

I think reck might have role related reasons to be conftown.

Getting just any scumflip right now should break this game open and take the discussion away from a lot of the less meaningful thing IMO and more into purely finding the partners (obviously hoping that penguin flips scum), and i think penguin has a better shot of flipping scum.

[northsidegal]

I want to consolidate on penguin.

I think reck might have role related reasons to be conftown.

I think ur totally wrong on reck.
Also think his role related clear is complete bullshit

But if you agree to lynch him tomorrow I’ll lynch Penguin today.

i mean if he doesn't claim something

explicitly confirmable

as town then that definitely changes my read a lot

obviously i can't make any sort of promises about what i'll do tomorrow given the lack of information of what might happen but what if i just said "yes" anyways and then you voted penguin

[northsidegal]

well, i have bad memories associated with "following your heart", but in this case i think i might have to recommend it

[northsidegal]

northsidegal (4):

xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, BBmolla, Titus

hyung (1):

Brian Skies

PenguinPower (3):

northsidegal, CheekyTeeky, Firebringer

Not voting (6):

PenguinPower, hyung, Vaxkiller, Alisae, Lady Lambdadelta, Pirate Mollie

With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch.

Votecounter notes

:
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If I have your vote in the wrong spot, please let me know.
Please stop voting me, I’m town

[northsidegal]

PLUS her saying stupid shit like "I AM OBJECTIVELY CONFTOWN" and that bullshit is irritating as fuck and bullshit

never said conftown.

[northsidegal]

that's great that you're voting me because i'm annoying you.

[northsidegal]

it's so insane to me that the person pushing for my lynch perhaps the most was the one who this whole time had another explanation (and what is likely the real explanation).

still waiting for penguinpower to show up.

(still think reck is town, if it wasn't clear)

[northsidegal]

I'm not sure what you're implying.

[northsidegal]

still waiting for penguinpower to show up.

if you and penguin have a fucking waiting-off for each other to show up I will try my best to just get you both lynched instead of actually caring about who gets lynched today

like it doesn't have to be today or tomorrow but SOMETIME over the weekend can you please go over one of the people you have a null read on atm and point to a post or a few of theirs that you think looks town/scum/interesting because of flips or literally anything like that

I feel like i've been doing things outside of just sitting on my hands and waiting? I don't understand where the exasperation is coming from.

I guess i probably haven't been as clear in my reasoning as i think i have - here are a few things that i wrote down at the start of the day, if it helps:

Spoiler:

xRECKONERx - Apparently his role makes him confirmed to others? Outside of that i don't have much reason to townread him but i trust that this will get sorted one way or another later.
PenguinPower - Rapidly forgetting reasons to townread him and feel like he's gaining scum equity
Gammagooey - He's so towny. I hope he doesn't have a good scumgame or something because he just feels so towny.
BBmolla - Gamma was probably town? I guess him forgetting about the thing on me also makes him more likely to be town (feels genuine to me), given that scum must have discussed the kill framing me
hyung - Feels like town? I could really justify this one much but that's how it feels.
CheekyTeeky - I'm pretty sure she towntold.
Lady Lambdadelta - I felt like T-Bone was towny but I don't really have much reason to townread LLD herself.
Firebringer - Probably just town?
ArcAngel9 - Angleshooting this one as town despite not really townreading mollie at all

updates to those reads include reck now definitely being town and you most likely (just occam's razor) being town based off of reck's claim. bbmolla hasn't really been around, same with hyung, and i'm not really sure how to read titus.

first it's that brian is OBVIOUSLY the correct answer to the puzzle

now it's OBVIOUSLY no not brian but reck did the saving

Given the information available to me yesterday brian being shot was the only concrete explanation i had without guessing as to the existence of another protective role -

even then,

multiple times i expressed doubt as to whether or not brian was actually shot and i know for a fact that i said multiple times that it's very likely that another protective existed.

Can you quote me saying that brian being shot was "obviously" the reason? Honest question there - i really don't remember implying anything of the sort.

I also don't really understand the relevance of this line of discussion outside of both of us just "scoring points" in what seems like a pointless debate? Like, is what you're saying alignment-relevant? If so, could you help me to see how?

[northsidegal]

Like, gamma - is there some read of mine in specific that you don't understand that you'd like me to go more in-depth on? I don't actually think i have that many "controversial" or widely disagreed upon reads (with perhaps the exception of where i put LLD in my readslist), so i guess i haven't really felt the need to go that in-depth into the justification for any of them - it would just be preaching to the choir.

[northsidegal]

Maybe Reck Higher and Titus Lower but /shrug

alisae, what are you doing with your vote?

why hyung? why hyung right now?

Why are you giving us old reads?

who are you talking to?

[northsidegal]

By the way, reck, what's your read on mollie?

[northsidegal]

a little of it might be residual madness from earlier days of this game, a lot of what you've done yesterday+today just feels like defending yourself without giving reads though and I don't think people defending themselves tends to be alignment-indicative for most decent or better players

A lot of people seem to be saying this (firebringer comes to mind). Yeah, for yesterday it was probably a majority of what i was talking about, but i don't really think it's unreasonable at all? Like, most of the day's discussion was centered around me and my lynch, so of course that's what i was going to talk about - it just so happens that my part in the discussion is one of defense, whereas that wouldn't be true for someone else even though we're discussing the same topic.

For today though, i

really

don't think that's true - i feel like it's probably more some psychological effect than anything? I've really been focusing more on trying to sort my own reads and push penguin. If it

is

true, it's certainly not intentional.

Like, gamma - is there some read of mine in specific that you don't understand that you'd like me to go more in-depth on? I don't actually think i have that many "controversial" or widely disagreed upon reads (with perhaps the exception of where i put LLD in my readslist), so i guess i haven't really felt the need to go that in-depth into the justification for any of them - it would just be preaching to the choir.

that's kind of why I want some details from you on the people you're currently null-reading

I'd say titus except I don't think she's done much to actually read through yet, some detailed thoughts on alisae/cheekyteeky/hyung would be greatly appreciated though

Okay, i guess i'll take a moment to type those out in its own post.

[northsidegal]

Why are you giving us old reads?

who are you talking to?

You.

They're things i wrote down at the start of the day, which doesn't really seem all that irrelevant to me. I think the context of why i posted them was pretty clear? Gamma asked me for reasoning, and that was just something i had written down that had some reasoning attached to it to maybe show a bit more of my thought process if i haven't been being clear enough in it.


For Gamma:

Cheeky

- If you go back and read the whole interaction i had with her (starting around here), my townread on her really came after this comment:

NSG I'm trolling you because you're barking up the wrong tree. The questions you're asking me aren't helping me read you at all they're just nitpicking at my posts that I don't see benefit anybody in anyway because I'm town. I will not be answering your questions.

At the time the comment really got me upset moreso than anything else, but apart from that it pinged me as being something i had read before. i checked and saw that it was a philosophy that town!cheeky has that she's definitely done before. I think seeing that kind of broke me out of something of a tunnel that i might have been getting myself into, perhaps a little emotionally.

Alisae

- Alisae is just being really weird in her stances this game - i think cheeky brought this point up earlier today, and it's something i definitely agree with. It doesn't feel like she's actually playing the game or trying to do things today. I also feel like she's being weird with her vote and kind of ignoring what's actually going on in the game thread - like, there's really not much comment about either me or penguin, which is weird to me (especially for penguin given her scumread there).

hyung

- I really can't justify this one more than "he feels towny when he's here", and that's why he's in the null pile? I don't think having hyung as null actually requires all that much justification - i think

not

having him as null or at least a very loose lean one way or another is what would require more justification, really.

[northsidegal]

@north - i mean penguin's the easiest push for you to make in the game regardless of your alignment

it's not necessarily wrong and I don't think it's scummy for you to do it but I'm also very doubtful I'll be able to get any insight into your alignment through that today.

Two points here:

1) I don't think penguin is normally an easy push as town. I think that should say something about his alignment here.

2) It's really not that much work to sort me, as i've been repeating multiple times.

Like, if you want to gain insight into my alignment, i have been telling you multiple times that a

simple

review of my scumgames (easily available from my wiki)

plainly and obviously

clears me.

I don't know how else you expect me to respond to this post.

[northsidegal]

hyung - I really can't justify this one more than "he feels towny when he's here", and that's why he's in the null pile? I don't think having hyung as null actually requires all that much justification - i think not having him as null or at least a very loose lean one way or another is what would require more justification, really.

I don't really understand this.

If he 'feels towny when he's here,' then why is he a null read and not a town read?

I think he's done more than to just be relegated to a nullread, and even if you think that should be the case here, scum generally avoid drawing too much attention and from my experience sometimes end up falling in that area for most players.

He feels towny, but i generally prefer to make reads based on things a bit more concrete than that. He's not a townread because i like to be confident in my townreads.

Without trying to come off as harsh or aggressive in the slightest, what's your point here? Are you saying that you think i should think of him as more towny? If it's that you think he should be higher in my readslist, i really don't think that matters all that much. Like, i'm not planning on pushing him today, i think it's probably unlikely that a wagon on him goes through today, so his relative position on a list that's really meant to just help me organize my thoughts more than anything else doesn't seem all that meaningful. If any of those things happened then it might matter more, i just feel like if that pops up, then it can be dealt with then.

[northsidegal]

Okay sure, I can see why this would be the case.

I mean, I'm clearly driving his wagon right now and he's one of the competing wagons to you and Penguin, so of course I care. Even if you don't think it's worth pursuing that read more, there are three people voting him right now, so...???

AFAICT, the wagons are pretty similar in size, so why are you making this distinction that hyung's an unlikely wagon to go through today? Unless you just think you're probably getting lynched today (I could see this happen). Penguin is a meh wagon overall, and while I think it's a wagon that could happen and I may even join it, nothing makes me think it will definitely go through today (and no one's stating anything solid on him other than he just isn't here).

What, really?

I honestly must have missed that - i literally thought alisae was the only one voting hyung. has he even posted yet today?

that's my bad - i'll go back and reread.

I also questioned you bringing up old reads, because afaict, you updated them later in the day. So why not explain those instead? Why did you feel like it would be more productive to go back and explain older reads instead of the ones you have right now (or the ones you had listed most recently)?

I didn't "go back" and do anything, i copy/pasted something that i already had written down.

Any updates to the reads that i posted in the spoiler i write underneath the spoiler.

[northsidegal]

I think the thing that bothers me the most is that nsg is more preoccupied with how she is perceived rather solving

where do you see that?

I think the thing that bothers me the most is that nsg is more preoccupied with how she is perceived rather solving

I think town are likely to do this as well in her position?
And I definitely do think she is trying to solve she's just solving in the wrong directions.

what "wrong directions", exactly?

[northsidegal]

Okay so i misread and you've been voting hyung since the very start of the day, mollie and alisae are both voting there and hyung has yet to post today.

I didn't really get the sense that anyone was "driving" his lynch or even that he was a competing wagon. Nobody really seems to have said all that much about their scumread there.

Why are you voting there specifically, brian?

[northsidegal]

@Mod, have penguinpower and hyung been prodded?

[northsidegal]

?

[northsidegal]

am i being burden of proficiencied on penguin or something?

[northsidegal]

Fortunately, it was not for me. Unfortunately, it was for someone close to me.

@NSG

: I still would like an answer about why you townread me D1. Also, what - beyond my activity level - leads you to believe I'm scum.

I honestly can't really remember why I was townreading you - I guess I thought I saw genuine scumhunting.

I've gone over the reasons - it's

never

just been activity.

[northsidegal]

Oh, sorry. Activity and lack of snark.

Anything else?

p-edit

That's directed at NSG.

I don't think you've actually been sorting people. I don't get the feeling that you actually care about who's town or who's scum, or have genuine convictions Nice job completely understating all of my reasoning, though.

So what made such a massive difference in the reasons that i was originally townreading you that you've been talking about?

[northsidegal]

It's not just activity based. You were here yesterday and yet refrained from saying

anything

until i answered the one question. that's an opportunity to do something that you basically passed up - nothing was forcing you to

only

discuss me.

What I really don't like right now is that you "honestly can't remember why [you] were townreading" me. Because I haven't actually been very active since you did, so I'm trying to suss why you've made this change (outside of me being an easy push)...and you aren't really explaining it.

don't you think it actually makes

more

sense that i'd forget the reasons for a read given inactivity?

if someone you're townreading is actively posting in the thread, you can see what they're doing and constantly either remind yourself of why you're townreading them or see something that causes you to stop and reconsider.

if, on the other hand, someone hasn't really posted at all, when the time comes that you sit down to organize your thoughts and perhaps reconsider stale reads (as i did at the start of today), you won't have any reasons to townread someone who hasn't been active. that's what happened with you, except that went i re-looked over your ISO, i didn't just lack reasons to townread you, i realized that it made more sense to be scumreading you.

[northsidegal]

erm.

i think that's a really bad idea.

what changes tomorrow besides scum getting to choose to kill whoever they want? i don't understand why we would give up a lynch today.

i don't think anyone's "bickering" - i think we're just playing the game.

[northsidegal]

you'd get to use your night action too even if we lynched someone.

[northsidegal]

i mean, do you think going to the night phase will stop them from replacing out?

i think the apathy is what's making a lot of people want to replace out - the remedy to that isn't just throwing our hands up, it's actually playing the game.

[northsidegal]

you know what it is? i think it's not enough votecounts. there's something psychological about seeing a votecount that gets you motivated to play the game, i feel.

[northsidegal]

i still think we can win this.

[northsidegal]

oh no, it's definitely my bad on the votecounts. that was more me reminding myself to get to that.

i think a penguin wagon is happening right now? i'm going to do a votecount right now to see.

[northsidegal]

northsidegal (3):

xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, Titus

hyung (2):

Brian Skies, Alisae

PenguinPower (3):

northsidegal, CheekyTeeky,

BBmolla (1):

Pirate Mollie

xRECKONERx (1):

Vaxkiller

No Lynch(1):

BBmolla

Not voting (3):

PenguinPower, hyung, Lady Lambdadelta,

With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch.

Votecounter notes

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[northsidegal]

actually brian why didn't you ever doubt pine's claim? you and nsg both seemed to immediately be like "yes he is a roleblocker uh-huh it's just irrelevant"

not true.

I haven't actually thought much about whether or not it makes sense for town!pine to have roleblocked me, or gone back through the thread to see if it's consistent with his stated beliefs.

It would be slightly egotistical of me to think that the scumteam decided specifically on faking a guilty on me just to remove me, especially given how i feel my play's been pretty underwhelming so far this game - that alone makes me feel that there's a good chance he's town. It's not impossible, but as for some big scumteam conspiracy to get rid of me, i really don't have anything to point towards it, so for right now it's probably just not true.

[northsidegal]

In what world are people still voting me unless you think I'm scum (which I don't believe anybody does)?

Are people just picking arbitrary places to vote? That's how it felt to me with the reck votes.

[northsidegal]

It should get people over whatever complex they have about me and it means we can start actually looking back for real associatives which I don't think vecna actually had much of.

[northsidegal]

I haven't pre-flip thought about penguin partners, no.

I think reck is probably town.

Everybody alive right now has done more than vecna did and we're later in the game - there's just more content. Plus, when I said that I was thinking in terms of a regular scum lynch and not some eod flash / compromise wagon. That's what makes vecna's flip different.

[northsidegal]

North feels town I wouldn't join a wagon there
VOTE: Reck
This feels correct the game doesn't add up with the role what so ever

Doesn't add up how?

My main hangup with reck is him not protecting pine.

[northsidegal]

Hilarious.

[northsidegal]

How about you vote penguin, the wagon that there are real reasons for?

All of these votes seem just randomly selected.

[northsidegal]

In what world are people still voting me unless you think I'm scum (which I don't believe anybody does)?

Are people just picking arbitrary places to vote? That's how it felt to me with the reck votes.

[northsidegal]

The idea that I haven't put in effort today is flat out wrong.

[northsidegal]

You said something similar to that earlier today, I did exactly that, and here we still are.

What is the

reason

you're voting me? I find it hard to believe that it's because I'm not putting in enough effort, so I don't know what it is.

[northsidegal]

they're clearly and obviously not

Can you help me see what people's reasons are? Completely honest question - I don't see it.

[northsidegal]

Brian had reasons for reck being scum. Are other people just following those?

[northsidegal]

I feel like there's a dichotomy in this discussion that doesn't necessarily actually exist.

[northsidegal]

I feel like there's a dichotomy in this discussion that doesn't necessarily actually exist.

Eh, maybe this is a bad interpretation.

[northsidegal]

If you think Reck is a doc, why did he not protect Pine?

@NSG

Like I said earlier, that's my one hangup for his claim. (Along with him pushing me while simultaneously

being

the one with the alternative explanation for the no-kill)

[northsidegal]

northsidegal (6):

xRECKONERx, Titus, PenguinPower, BBmolla, Gammagooey, Lady Lambdadelta

PenguinPower (2):

northsidegal, CheekyTeeky

xRECKONERx (4):

Vaxkiller, Alisae, Pirate Mollie, MariaR

pirate mollie (1):

Ginngie

MariaR (1):

Firebringer

Not voting (0):

With 14 alive, it’s 8 to lynch.

Votecounter notes

:
If I have your vote in the wrong spot, please let me know.
Please stop voting me, I’m town

[northsidegal]

"moving forward"

[northsidegal]

look how many people who aren't playing the game have

rested

their votes on me.

[northsidegal]

i think i'm going to get rude this game for now, and then i think i might slow down on playing mafia for a while. i can feel myself getting more emotional than i ever like to get.

lynching me is fucking idiotic. basically the

exact

same situation just happened to me in a game where some lummox decided to throw the game in lylo and plant his vote on me the entire day.

[northsidegal]

there has been functionally 0 reason to vote me ever since brian skies claimed bulletproof and now given reck's doctor claim the only possible reason i can still see that people are voting me (outside of a scumread which, again,

nobody seems to have

) is that they actively do not want to put in any effort to this game.

[northsidegal]

I mean yeah Titus slot is scum but we will deal with that tomorrow

get better.

[northsidegal]

an absolutely

minimal

amount of effort is required to put in the work to checking my meta and seeing that it's really really obvious that i'm town this game. really not that many people seem to care to do that though, which is a trend i've started to notice.

[northsidegal]

i literally don't understand why people are voting me. i don't even know what to say in response. people don't seem to scumread me. apparently it's to "consolidate", which seems utterly ridiculous to me.

[northsidegal]

if i did the auto-vc i bet it'd show that everyone on my wagon is among the lowest posters, with maybe the exception of the hyung slot. titus has basically planted her vote on me and prodged. reck, the person who

had another explanation to the roleblock this whole time

, has done nothing else.

i honestly should have just said yes to abandoning the game.

[northsidegal]

meta is trash

Fuck you.

[northsidegal]

not many things get me angrier than willful ignorance. along with someone who decided to gamethrow, that's the reason i lost my last game.

[northsidegal]

i really like angry nsg.

i don't. i hate this. i don't like getting angry at people and not wanting to play with them again.

[northsidegal]

if i did the auto-vc i bet it'd show that everyone on my wagon is among the lowest posters, with maybe the exception of the hyung slot. titus has basically planted her vote on me and prodged. reck, the person who

had another explanation to the roleblock this whole time

, has done nothing else.

i honestly should have just said yes to abandoning the game.

hyung slot is maria she's voting Reck you should do that too

i'm not confidnet he's scum.

[northsidegal]

if you're not going to play the game and you're just going to plant your vote on me for functionally 0 reason then replace out. you're doing nothing more than hyung did.

[northsidegal]

guess what? i want to win this game. i don't want to lynch anybody for "information", i don't want to lynch anybody so that "town can finally consolidate", i want to lynch scum.

i'm not saying that i'm 100% confident that i'm currently voting scum, but trying to scumhunt kind of requires other people to be doing the same thing, which i don't really feel is happening.

[northsidegal]

i seriously can't believe that back to back i have to deal with wisdom loltunnelling me in lylo for the entire day and ignoring me while i have my vote on scum and then people in this game just lolvoting me. it's unbelievable.

[northsidegal]

i seriously can't believe that back to back i have to deal with wisdom loltunnelling me in lylo for the entire day and ignoring me while i have my vote on scum and then people in this game just lolvoting me. it's unbelievable.

This is how I feel about mafia.
Everytime I play it.
And everytime I play mafia, I turn the game into a toxic shitfest because people don't play properly.

and nobody even has the excuse that i have some great scumgame!!!!

it's the

complete opposite

[northsidegal]

day one really not that much comes to memory - mainly because i think not a lot happened. the votecounter (vecna) hard lurked, hyung was lynchbait-y and, as far as i can remember, there really wasn't a huge consensus wagon. oh yeah, arcangel was lynchbait-y too. near the end of the day tons of flashwagons sprung up but the one on vecna ended up going through.

day two opened with pine claiming a roleblock on me. everything else that happened that day revolved around that. people wanted to lynch me, taking it as a guilty. brian skies claimed 1-shot bulletproof. eventually people decided to lynch mutant because lol. (oh yeah, he was playing lynchbait-y too).

and now we're here.

[northsidegal]

a roleblock on me isn't a guilty. that's not difficult to see.

[northsidegal]

reasons i'm not guilty off of the top of my head:
1) i'm obvious town to anyone who cares
2) there have been two other sources

claimed

that could have potentially stopped the kill

[northsidegal]

a roleblock on me isn't a guilty. that's not difficult to see.

holy shit LITERALLY NOBODY IS CLAIMING IT IS stop fucking strawmanning

day one really not that much comes to memory - mainly because i think not a lot happened. the votecounter (vecna) hard lurked, hyung was lynchbait-y and, as far as i can remember, there really wasn't a huge consensus wagon. oh yeah, arcangel was lynchbait-y too. near the end of the day tons of flashwagons sprung up but the one on vecna ended up going through.

day two opened with pine claiming a roleblock on me. everything else that happened that day revolved around that. people wanted to lynch me, taking it as a guilty. brian skies claimed 1-shot bulletproof. eventually people decided to lynch mutant because lol. (oh yeah, he was playing lynchbait-y too).

and now we're here.

lol thanks


so girl here's the thing and i gotta level with ya

Looks like people are riding the train of you being guilty

, which is something you can't really blame them for

unless you discussed that before and have a reason to

say why you're not guilty

lol

reck, ginngie just said it was.

[northsidegal]

that's what i was responding to specifically, not anyone else saying it, ginngie specifically.

[northsidegal]

feel like doing something other than parking your vote on me, reck?

[northsidegal]

here's a thought: maybe the concern about me being a constant mislynch target wouldn't be real if people played by reading people instead of making poorly-thought out decisions based only on mechanics.

[northsidegal]

what were the other two ways of stopping the kill

and reck did you ever claim protective

you have one, don't you?

[northsidegal]

go ahead, fullclaim

[northsidegal]

how is a bulletproof not a way to stop the kill

[northsidegal]

Umm UT isn’t on

^ just what i went to check.

[northsidegal]

he's online right now. just PMed him myself.

[northsidegal]

yo

can we not angleshoot or game the mod anymore than what has happened

nsg vote reck cos it is the only freaking alternative unless you want a d4 shit show of this again where reck continues to death tunnel you with impunity while pple have lost motivation to play because of all the freaking DITHERING that is going.

you will be lynched otherwise

It's not "angleshooting" to figure out if someone is lying about contacting the mod or not.

I'm not being strongarmed into lynching anyone, nor will i submit myself to lazy play just to avoid other people's lazy play.

[northsidegal]

yo

can we not angleshoot or game the mod anymore than what has happened

nsg vote reck cos it is the only freaking alternative unless you want a d4 shit show of this again where reck continues to death tunnel you with impunity while pple have lost motivation to play because of all the freaking DITHERING that is going.

you will be lynched otherwise

It's not "angleshooting" to figure out if someone is lying about contacting the mod or not.

I'm not being strongarmed into lynching anyone, nor will i submit myself to lazy play just to avoid other people's lazy play.

jfc

VOTE: nsg

and what do you think voting me will accomplish?

if i said i'd vote reck, would you unvote? why would that change things?

[northsidegal]

Mollie
You’ve turned to the dark side.
How could you?

she is getting on my nerves and is zero help to the game.

but fine

UNVOTE: nsg

sa;lkdjf sahf as

[northsidegal]

i'm closing the tab.

[northsidegal]

Guys I delayed vigged nsg

hilarious

[northsidegal]

meh, people really pushed back on me yesterday for this but i still think LLD is pretty likely to be scum. could the people who were townreading there explain why?

[northsidegal]

Guys I delayed vigged nsg

Horrible shot, but thanks I guess so people stop focusing on that.

haha "now town can finally come together!!!" xd

[northsidegal]

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

[northsidegal]

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

She’s not scum with Vecna reeeeeeeee

why?

[northsidegal]

can you point your reasoning out to me? i think to say that i'm "refusing to acknowledge" anything is patently absurd. literally last page i asked people who were townreading her to explain it, and i don't recall seeing you explain anything for me to even ignore in the first place.

[northsidegal]

meh. i can see what you're saying, but LLD on her own play feels like scum.

pedit - yeah, i got pedited.

[northsidegal]

Pedit: ok nsg doesn’t care good talk have fun swimming with fishies tonight unless you get protected which would actually be really cool.

are you really going to do this RC thing where just because i disagree with you suddenly "i don't care" or "i never change my mind" or something?

i'm trying to talk to you. your reaction makes no sense to me.

[northsidegal]

like, i

actually said

that i can see what you're saying but there are other reasons that i have doubts, but your reaction is "oh i guess nsg doesn't care at all about what i have to say", just because.. what, i'm not instantly sheeping everything you say?

[northsidegal]

thanks for chatting.

[northsidegal]

thanks for chatting.

ok I only said “yes” because I thought it would be funny.
You think LLD’s play is scummy cuz why

ever since day 2 there's been very little impetus from her to really do anything - the only thing that really comes to mind would be the defense of reck yesterday, which even still isn't necessarily a towntell.

it also has to do with the way she interacted with my wagon. if i'm recalling correctly, she called me "incredibly town" catching up day 1 (or something to that effect). day 2, the vote on me is still understandable (although i would disagree with it, i can certainly still see it as coming from a town point of view). what does it for me was yesterday, really.

this:

Vote: NSG

This needs to happen, especially since the counter wagon on Reck is happening and I'm still pretty fucking sure Reck is town.

is a good example, i think. the "needs to happen" justification rings

really

hollow when in the same post she's trying to avoid the reck wagon.

i feel like a town!LLD there, townreading both of us, would try to find an alternative.

[northsidegal]

i think all of the last scum are probably within the group of:
{MariaR (though i'm townreading her), LLD, Alisae, Titus}

[northsidegal]

That sounds like normal, disinterested LLD to me tbh.

do you think you could differentiate between normal disinterested LLD and scum coasting LLD? if so, what elements do you think would / wouldn't be present for one or the other?

[northsidegal]

by the way, i don't even know what to say to anyone who thinks that i bussed penguinpower to try to live longer when most of the game expressed the opinion that i should die at some point soon regardless of how towny they think i am and when penguin was pretty much set up to coast for a while.

[northsidegal]

i also feel like there's almost nothing to point towards penguin and LLD not being partnered whereas some of the things she's done feel like classical partner tells, primarily the "i would lynch penguin" (from 3723) and yet never voting there, and this pop-in / comment from just before yesterday ended:

this is a good lynch

I approve

i also suspect that she interacted the least with penguin out of everyone in the "scum" tier of her readslist in 2167, although i'm still looking through her iso.

[northsidegal]

i guess i should be upfront in that part of my thoughts on scum LLD are also connected to scum alisae being LLD's partner, examples of which i think are plenty (although probably not all that useful as pre-flip associations)

[northsidegal]

if you're planning on using humor to try to avoid talking to me, i'm just going to bother you and keep repeating my questions.

[northsidegal]

like, alisae - is there more to your LLD townread or is it just the vecna association?

[northsidegal]

can you point your reasoning out to me? i think to say that i'm "refusing to acknowledge" anything is patently absurd. literally last page i asked people who were townreading her to explain it, and i don't recall seeing you explain anything for me to even ignore in the first place.

Backing up alisae here, lld is town but I have different reasons than alisae.

are those reasons that you could explain?

[northsidegal]

meh.

it's not like i think titus and maria are

unlikely

to be scum, it's just that, if they're town, they're the two most lynchbait-y players at the moment. i don't necessarily think lynching them is a bad idea, but i think it would be a mistake to overlook other people.