Lynch the Wolves (Game Over)

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Katsuki is one of the three, idk the others.

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They didn't join anonymously to consciously out one of the heads.

It's not cheetory.

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Someone in the game would know the wall reference

It was a deliberate false lead.

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You can't confirm in thread, you have to PM the moderator as well

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I don't believe you.

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bullshit.

VOTE: Creature

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I believe this man.

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How can we solve this game?

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I miss the spam meta when I could have expected at least 5 pages by now. this is dull and tiresome.

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Okay so

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I am going to lynch NSG because she's scum this game and everything who thinks that she isn't is bad and should get better at reading her. Meta is for losers, her ISO is objectively scummy as fuck based off of x criteria because I am godking Wisdom.

VOTE: NSG

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How strongly were you townreading me in our last game?

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@NSG do towny things please

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very spicy because I was just making a mental note of the fact that I was pretty sure you and creature were town and I wanted NSG to do things so I could put her there too

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VOTE: hebichan

not a post hebichan would make as town.

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pay attention to me hebichan :c

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Oh, sorry, missed that, I was too busy being sad for doggos.

I did make that post as town, so your calculation on my range is off.

Did you think I was scumreading you?

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Maybe I didn't scumread you at all and I just wanted you to notice me

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VOTE: Hello123

at any rate.

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zzzz wrong game

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Hebi can I make a reservation on one friendship

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I don't agree with your keychain read at all.

Adonis I agree, tgp maybe.

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You also didn't answer my last question

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is it bad that i don't have any good read as of yet?

northsidegal, what are you scum reading keychain for in her confirmation post?

also, aside from TGP i don't find anything alignment coming from Adonis posts

You can hard lock me as town < 3

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I don't know exactly how much that is: like how strongly in less relative terms.

Okay NSG i don't see it but

VOTE: keychain

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I would actually say keychain based on my reading is minorly +Rand town

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Yes sir or madam

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Ur cute af

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Ursula are you Katsuki or is Katsuki someone else

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I demand that for the duration of this game everyone calls me beautiful from now on.

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yes

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I am going to sheep whoever pays attention to me.

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Have you noticed that I joined Feb. 24 and you joined Aug. 24 so we joined exactly half a year apart?

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I don't want to tryhard until I absolutely have to because people seem to scumread effort coming from me and townread me for not trying to actually get my srs lynched

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I am 3 townreads away from the d1 gamesolve

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ftr that # includes NSG who I'm not actually 100% on but if she's scum she's not living today so.

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actually I take back my yuurei townread

NSG I don't put anything in this game outside of your scum limit.
If you want to be townread then earn it.

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RC, Creature, A50, Hebichan, Vecna, NSG,

Yuurei

I'm taking a lot of liberties with creature and yourself but I'm assuming that you guys will show it if you're town.

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lack of meta on yuurei is tilting given that I feel like their play would be lock one alignment or other if I knew who they were.

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Will you answer to NSG

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VOTE: HWS

feel like Keychain should get a chance to enter the game

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I am sus of the way RC is trying to buddy every living player.

Cool

what does this mean?

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also cheeky isn't necessarily scum but she hasn't been towny so far.

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you could answer the question.

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you agree with that read?

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Haven't checked if the argument's true, but I agree with the conclusion the argument leads to.

well that's not fun.

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If CT can't read Key enough to have seen it then that's on her. there was definite awkwardness in early!MiM

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So I've sat and thought about this for a while and I've decided that lynching scum D1 is not the goal.
The goal is to lynch whoever is going to push scum wincondition the most effectively, and that's been town in a significant # of my recent games, not discussing ongoings obvobv.

I'm going to 100% throw my weight around to control the lynch today and I am going to use it to lynch someone whoever that is scumreading me has the worst reads overall.

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VOTE: Luna Nova

already a wagon here, they're scumreading me, they can die.

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they're not. I actually wanted to vote creature then I saw he was townreading hebichan at least so I voted you instead.

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I don't want to keep people around who are scumreading me.

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then lynch me D1 so I don't have to deal with it for the rest of the game.

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But then that might lose me the game if you're town

choice you have to make.

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So what hebi, you townread me if I don't do shit and if I try to do things you lynch me?

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since when am I scumreading creature? he's town his reads are just awful and the way that he engages makes me not want to play the game.

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so if town are going to 100% refuse to fall reads that I have because they come from me and I'm

good as scum

that's on me?

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who said I was scumreading them?

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people who I'm not voting while my slot is under threat unless they vote me first.

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Sorry dudette I'm tired. I tried something different this game but apparently there's no set of posts that I can make to not get people scumreading me on D1.

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Okay, I'll zero post then. See you D2.

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why should I be townreading you if you're not townreading me cheeky?

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won't stop you from voting them if that's what you want to do.

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why should I be townreading you if you're not townreading me cheeky?

RC you know I struggle to read you, and I'm kind of miffed that you've waited until now to interact with me. In FACT me town reading you gets a worse reaction than scum reading you so idk what you want from me?

kiss me.

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you asked what I wanted from you!

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is that a yes or a no?

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good girl

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no backsies. you said you had trouble reading me I gave you something you know full well I'd never do as scum.

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I'm pretty sure that the entire scumteam isn't lurking so at least one person is scum in the active players but none of the active players are obviously scum aorn and I'm scared to push on someone for reactions because it'll probably end in me having to deal with a whole lot shit that I don't deserve (see: last few pages) so my hands are kind of tied here.

Until someone does something that I think is worth immediately jumping on it's -equity for me to go around pushing people and risking my own lynch.
If I had to dayvig someone it'd be Archwing, in the active players it'd be like Yuurei but I'm not especially confident in any reads besides my townreads.
hence why I'm stalling until I have confident reads and voting people who have shit reads so that they fuck off.

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let me guess it's me?

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I don't have the option of playing differently: sorry. I earned your sucmread but I prevent everyone else scumreading my playing like I am.

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I can't fight policy lynches on me for trying to play the game while being RC. It's not worth it. If lurking doesn't work I guess I stop playing.

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Like if you can't deal with me doing what I am just vote me and if it's majority lynch me. I'm done.

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If mathblade is town then they're probably town, otherwise they're scum.

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Hi Key how are you doing?

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I would prefer to lynch HWS of those 3 ftr.

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I feel like I'm obligated to reach out to you about something but I don't really know what to say on my end.

Want to give me a readslist?

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VOTE: TGP

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why aren't we lynching hebichan

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why the fuck aren't we lynching hebichan

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I never said I wanted to lynch you

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Oh well, my reads are good but the rest of the town is doing bad

you're scumreading me though so

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at no point in this game was that a true statement

may god have mercy on your soul.

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no one wanted town leader rc.

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since apparently people are taking it seriously, I was just meming when I asked why we weren't lynching hebichan.

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can I be the nsg expert

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If you could actually reliably read me I'd spam join your games so I could be left alone as town.

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good girl

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Hebi who is your personal top scumread?

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VOTE: Swim

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eh

let's not

who next hebi?

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actually nevermind maybe this is scum

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Actually I'm fairly sure that's a townpost

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I really can't be bothered in this game. if you're convinced and Vecna thinks that the tone is not indicative (which was the reason for my hesitance) then I'll follow you

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Also fairly good odds that NSG is scum

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nah

VOTE: NSG

regardless of my current feelings towards mafia I refuse to let scum!NSG survive D1 of a game that I'm in.

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I'm not lynching anyone else today until I'm certain about my read on you

I can wait till you're less busy but you need to do more in this game than you've already done

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Only reason I moved to it is cause it kills all the momentum on swim wagon to have half the wagon just up and leave.

I really hate we can't even seem to get up to 5 votes on a person.

presuming that NSG is town and we aren't powerlynching her today my vote will be back to wherever you want it

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hi nsg

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sure

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VOTE: TGP

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k

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k

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like, zoinks scoob.

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That's not how I'd interpret 904 at all Hebi.

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This is a large game

VOTE: Luna Nova

please let's just lynch here and get rid of the hydra.

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I can't be useful to town with someone coming in taking potshots at me constantly and as of the most recent wallpost I am no longer townreading the slot.

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I want to point out that another reason northsidegal is town is because she has a meta of just not caring in scum games, and you can even see this in games here:

wait, i just remembered that you were my scumbuddy in double elimination.

what are you even talking about then, bu? you of all people should know what i'm saying. i literally

did not post once

that game becaues i was scum.

you were also my buddy in open 716, which i flaked out of (the only game so far i've ever replaced out of).

what is your deal? you of all people should

know

what i'm talking about.

I disagree with the scumreads on that slot. I'm fine with our vote on Math but I want to take a closer look at gold than I have before as I mostly wanted to dismiss it because of DR Cowbells. From what I hear he's a great busser and that shouldn't stop me from wanting to join the wagon.

~Diana

Looking at the Golden Iso I don't see anything that points to them being scum. The anger feels genuine and the few votes they do have in the game I agree with. I think both of the top wagons are on town. If we're looking for a low poster lynch, why not Thea who is not doing anything the help the game state? The only vote they have in the game is on us (and I admit that is why I iso'd them) for the simple reason of us being an anon hydra; the rest of the posts are filler.

I'd like the gold voters to say why they would vote gold and not thea.

~Diana

meaning these posts, both of which are awful.
I don't buy their read progression on Golden, feels TMI, and the specific manner of how they're pushing the votes from gold to theta pings me.

Not that I'm like, excruciatingly sure that they are going to flip scum but I think that it is probably +equity for town to lynch them today anyway.

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k time to use this

Daycop: Luna Nova

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pinging mastina on skype

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luna nova are aligned with the wolves.

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the claim is serious: vote there or vote me.

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x days ago where x is the day we got role pms for this game

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5 votes to go.

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Yes, you can. I have faith in you. I would rather talk with you about reads, because I'm surprised you asked for a readslist then didn't say anything about you being the only player not on it.

What is your read on me?

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me too

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mathblade I have a single instance of misreading NSG across dozens of games (from before I had a super consistent read on her) and have read every game that she's played on site and pinned her alignment from like a couple posts. your read on her is not better than mine and if you're going to try to push her I have zero qualms policy lynching you.

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scumread then, key?

you're welcome to keep it to yourself

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Subject: Mini 1947: Board Game uPick: The Expansion! Game Over

You were chosen because I wanted to stall out the day and reaction test people to have something usable in terms of reads on the remaining playerlist. My slot is still town, but I didn't think that there was any other play that could be made that would get everyone to stop trying to bite my neck off and prolong the day enough that I could contribute something before I died.

Let's make this 100% clear: if I am somehow janned you lynch MTC, no questions. They don't get away with this play.

I believe based on Drixx's reaction that he is town. I think that MTC did not react like we claimed masons with their scumbuddies: if we did I think they would have done things differently, especially wrt them and 2IAM trying to get a quicklynch onto me. I think that Adan might be scum and that Morph are trying to use their push on them as scumbuddies to 'clear' them. 2IAM is still scum.

So something like

{Porkens, Drixx}
{WhyMafia, Randomidget}
{Arcade Pals}
-blob of nullreads
{Actiondan}
{2IAM}
{MTC}

Maybe you should re-read a bit more fore context. Helluva "gambit" to pull AS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO A DAYCOP GUILTY

No such things as daycops, boyos, but you already know that.

Our only reasonable way of getting this to go our way was to get MTC quicklynched before Drixx showed up, which didn't pan out unfortunately.
GL town. I sincerely hope something is learned from this in future games because this situation wasn't at all fair to me or Raskolnikov.

The same person that claimed this daycop guilty wrote this post

so when I say that this hydra is scum deliberately trying to throw me off my game by repeatedly declaring shit reasons to scumread me
you should believe it when they chose to pull a quote from the one game in my game history with cheating involved

also the fact that they felt the need to argue with a claimed guilty feels like they thought that there was even a slight chance that the guilty could be true.
Oh: and I did ping mastina when this actually happened and got a response, so the claim that mastina wasn't around yesterday 9:47 pm is bogus.

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like the quote that they pulled up serves 0 purpose in terms of arguing the guilty is fake or arguing it's relation to my alignment because 1) the situation has absolutely zero line up and 2) there's no posts in this game that compare to that one what they were -actually- looking for when they pulled up that quote was something that discredits my reading reactions to reaction tests. the real point of that was the progression on drixx and trying to shut down any attempt by me to read reactions from the daycop by saying 'oh its been done before.'

at the time I claimed the guilty I was just going to carry it through because the slot was annoying me so much but I'm fairly sure that response came from scum

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Also talking specifically diana's reads their reads are

1) RC scum because I voted them for voting me, and someone who had done the level of research to find that specific quote would know that that situation is

at worst

entirely NAI. I don't feel the need to 'sneak votes in because I can' like they seem to believe, I play the long game, I would only make that vote as scum in an attempt to match my town meta
2) Hebichan town which is an unoriginal read that the majority of the playerlist also shared and of which very little auxilary evidence was given

most interestingly 3) NSG which she locktowned but importantly she locktowned her at a point where NSG was not locktown

Spoiler: NSG

/confirm town

VOTE: mathblade

i would be laughing but i'm still bitter

VOTE: keychain

hard scumreading keychain from her confirmation post. townreading aronis and tgp, need someone else to tell me if mathblade flipping out about tgp's joke is town or scum-indicative.

How strongly were you townreading me in our last game?

in the 1 vig game? right above GL and right below the worst, about.

northsidegal, what are you scum reading keychain for in her confirmation post?

trust me, i can soulread keychain. i'm pretty confident in this.

RC, trust me on this - vote keychain with me.

mathblade you

need

to slow down

i hadn't noticed that

going to stop fluffing now for a while

i find it hard to believe that apparently i'm among the hardest for you to sort already.

ugh, i feel like we're in this awkward "page 10 and still kind of RVS"-feeling.

NSG I don't put anything in this game outside of your scum limit.

but other people apparently are to the point where you're close to a full poe?

aw. it didn't work.

-sigh-

make keychain anxious like back in donner party.

yeah

Nothing in this iso justifies locktowning her. no explanation was given from them for that either
NSG is perfectly capable of everything she has done here as scum and as scum NSG is obviously not getting mislynched so it's easy to throw her a townread

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OH BOY I WONDER WHATS HAPPENING IN THIS GAME THAT I'M HYDRAING IN

northsidegal - 5 (ArcAngel9, hebichan, Archwing, MathBlade, TheGoldenParadox)

wtf??? NSG is like, obvious town.
I hate all of you.

this is another head but this is just awful

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This is a large game

VOTE: Luna Nova

please let's just lynch here and get rid of the hydra.

RC you seem to not really care about where your vote is atm and the way you're hopping around is really scummy imo.
VOTE: RC

and this is pretty awful too
like you have the same hydra using me being

super good scum

to discredit my reaction test (which again doesn't make sense at all for the purpose they were claiming to use it for, they ought to have pulled from a towngame where I fake guiltied) and saying that I'm scum because of stuff that's basically synonymous with scum playing awfully like I can't do better.

and somehow with virtually nobody in this game thinking that I'm scum all three of these heads agree that my slot is the one worth following up on?

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I am taking that completely out of context but that doesn’t change the fact that the guilty is still faked imo.

An invitation to play in my first tailored setup (in something between a month and century from now) to whomever tells me what I think is wrong with this post.

for the record this reaction is the huge thing that everything else follows from: if they were town (regardless of read on me) there's no reason to argue that the guilty is fake.
arguing that the guilty is fake is hedging for a universe in which it's real imo, particularly given the choice of quotes to pull.

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oh and no I don't actually have a guilty: I wasn't even particularly sure that they were scum. that claim was basically made because they were pissing me off

but that reaction was hilariously bad.

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how can we solve this game?

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sometimes i remember why you're one of my favorite people

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I am taking that completely out of context but that doesn’t change the fact that the guilty is still faked imo.

so from the other heads' opinions the guilty could be real?

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Huh, maybe I'm being too subtle.
You asked me to join this game, so I'm trying to get you to interact with me in ways that don't feel flat and dead

This game makes me feel flat and dead, sorry. I feel a lot more enthusiastic about it now!

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(I also disagree with the imo read, but I think the sheer fact that they felt the need to argue that my guilty was fake shows that they're scum)

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What do you think of what I've said about Luna as opposed to what A50 did?

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I'm town
Creature is playing his town game, i'm sure someone will figure out later if he's scum when he stops playing
NSG is town, it's hard to point to a specific post where that read changed but it's moreso that on the whole she is playing her town game and I've never seen her come close to playing it
if I have to call one thing it's how casually she assumed that I would be townread her in the 'oh RC is here I can go back to not talking to math' comment
Vecna the way that he engaged with me and others earlier in the game felt super town, I wouldn't say he's literally never scum but I do think pretty strongly that he's town
Hebi I think a lot of people have talked about, yes town
A50 hard to explain but trust me on it

I would put you as significantly more likely to be town than scum based off of the things in the game that you've chosen to engage with
Cheeky i'm also heavily leaning town but there's nothing in this game that I can say is always her town game

not giving a read on mathblade

everyone else is null or below it

[RadiantCowbells]

How was your day?

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Aww I'm sorry. I've had a really bad headache most of the day, hasn't been the best necessarily.

If by what you've said about Luna you mean pushing the "it's fake" angle, I don't think it's particularly unexpected that a town slot having a guilty claimed on them by someone they scumread would take that approach.

Here's the thing though: they pulled up the quote to make the argument that, as scum, I would do this with the explicit intent of retracting the claim (discredits the claim)
but also argued just in general that the guilty was fake. I don't think as town they ever take the approach of 'arguing' that my guilty is ever fake in that manner.
Unless they thought I was going to go through with it, but in the comparison they even used it was meant to imply that I did it as a reaction test, just as scum pretending to be town.

And yes that's the problem to me, that they felt the need to go into that time to argue the guilty was fake. I don't think town feels the need to 'prove' that the guilty is fake given that there's no endgame there, in the worst case they'd be trading 1 for 1 as scum. But I think as scum they simultaneously believe the guilty is fake and argue with it but are still worried and feel the need to prove to everyone else that the guilty is fake as well. I don't think it's an approach that they would take as town.

I don't know what your read on me is, I assumed based on the flat comment that you thought I was scum, do you agree that it's pretty strange that all 3 heads came up with independent scumreads on me that are all based off of really lazy reasoning when as far as I know no one else besides Creature (who always scumreads me as town) thinks that I'm scum?

because that felt really forced to me.

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The comparison they made to the MTC game involved comparing a scum gambit that I intended to retract to my town gambit here: if they were town thinking I was scum they should expect me to retract.
And come on you have like 2/17 odds of coming up with a scumread on me and it just so happens that the 3 of them all come up with scumreads on me? Let's dig into the reasons even.

Ursula scumread me for voting them because they were voting me, something I've been known to do as town and that I know for a fact that they know. On top of that I think as far as they're aware I haven't done it as scum. They also called me out for being pockety while knowing that's how I play town, so at worst NAI. All reasons are bad.

Diana's scumread on me also doesn't make sense

This does not come from a town mindset at all. This is not a case of too scummy to be scum it’s scum making an agenda known and actively pushing on town like us. The amount of buddying is also strange my hydra partners have told me Doctor Bells likes to take control of the game as town and he is not doing that here. I believe Professor Cowbells is my top wolfread at the moment.

like taking control of the game is usually a descriptor used for my scum game, not my town one. I take control of town

on occasion

as town, I try to never let go of the reins as scum. Buddying also NAI. she's also trying to tie a whole bunch of reads to my flip in ways that feel really forced wrt the bussing thing and the hebi read which is ick.

then obviously viewtopic.php?p=10224120#p10224120

all of them are really, really bad scumreads on me and I know at least one of the heads should know better.

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(I also have an idea of who another of the heads is even if I can't lock it in and I am 100% 100% sure they know better than to say some of the stuff they've said even if they wouldn't TR me.)

Ursula is the head i know ftr. I also have a strong guess at unnamed

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I have a fairly good guess as to one.

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yeah

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well

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Pagetop!

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I've earned that level of trust in my ability to consistently meta people: you haven't.

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GET OUT OF HERE.

FA is scum.

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define valid

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i have higher expectations of the known members of that hydra than to do something that 'makes the minimal amount of sense coming from a possible town pov'

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Yuurei what are your reads outside of those two?

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I think the imo argument is strange

I just don't think you'd have felt the need to argue that it was fake if you knew it was 100% fake, especially not to the point of dragging a weird out of context quote to support that claim.

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accept it no. rage at me for it, sure. say its a shit reaction test, sure. there's a laundry list of reactions that I would buy coming from town. pulling up a post to discredit the false guilty on them by comparing it to a game where I was scum with people with mod information that I was guilty and actively trying to convince people to disbelieve me as opposed to just getting annoyed at the reaction test is weird to me.

Like, what does town them think is going to happen? I'm going to hold onto the guilty and lynch them with it while simultaneously being town?

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Subject: Mini 1947: Board Game uPick: The Expansion! Game Over

You were chosen because I wanted to stall out the day and reaction test people to have something usable in terms of reads on the remaining playerlist. My slot is still town, but I didn't think that there was any other play that could be made that would get everyone to stop trying to bite my neck off and prolong the day enough that I could contribute something before I died.

Let's make this 100% clear: if I am somehow janned you lynch MTC, no questions. They don't get away with this play.

I believe based on Drixx's reaction that he is town. I think that MTC did not react like we claimed masons with their scumbuddies: if we did I think they would have done things differently, especially wrt them and 2IAM trying to get a quicklynch onto me. I think that Adan might be scum and that Morph are trying to use their push on them as scumbuddies to 'clear' them. 2IAM is still scum.

So something like

{Porkens, Drixx}
{WhyMafia, Randomidget}
{Arcade Pals}
-blob of nullreads
{Actiondan}
{2IAM}
{MTC}

Maybe you should re-read a bit more fore context. Helluva "gambit" to pull AS A DIRECT RESPONSE TO A DAYCOP GUILTY

No such things as daycops, boyos, but you already know that.

Our only reasonable way of getting this to go our way was to get MTC quicklynched before Drixx showed up, which didn't pan out unfortunately.
GL town. I sincerely hope something is learned from this in future games because this situation wasn't at all fair to me or Raskolnikov.

The same person that claimed this daycop guilty wrote this post

I am taking that completely out of context but that doesn’t change the fact that the guilty is still faked imo.

it's these two posts that make me feel sure, not the ones that you quoted.

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ok

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pagetop!

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meh

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what's the actual name of the role given?

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Okay so

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Spoiler: Theta regarding Luna

hey look the game actually started

i could get behind a lynch on luna
VOTE: luna nova

someone please explain the hebichan wagon

completely unexplained vote on Luna, where her vote stays literally the entire day until she decides to unvote when

ugh
UNVOTE:

i do think it is nai for radiant to do a fakeclaim like that
but it does make me doubt that luna is scum

as for who else might be scum i have no clue
although since definition is a hydra who somehow has not posted in a while even with

heads then i think that might actually be a good place to put my vote
VOTE: definition

random 'oh I suddently doubt that luna is scum because... RC fakeclaimed a guilty on her'

alright i think i might actually be able to read you so UNVOTE:

i do not agree with some of the reasoning for luna being scum
the imo thing for one is explained by the fact that luna is a hydra
as in that heads opinion

this explanation also makes literally no sense: it's not one head's opinion whether they're scum or not,

you know i just realized definition has been in one other game and it was a newbie

so
yeah not a hydra

and for actual content
the wagons on both tgp and luna are rather odd in how they developed

though the fact that there was a fake guilty on luna does explain part of that
also i think creature is literally just voting the counterwagon because it is the counterwagon

it is somewhat odd that even with 2 weeks left in the game we are kind of at the 2-wagon stage
i am a little worried that town just kind of failed to get any cohesion or agreement on anything and the fake guilty in the middle of that probably will not be something we could easily recover from

so
honestly we might as well end the day so at least we will have some sort of semblance of what is going on tomorrow
i do want to give ank a few days to read the game though
so i will give

intent to hammer

p-edit
well nevermind that then

gives intent on someone that they're not scumreading because 'oh we will deal with things tomorrow'
also the fuck did the fake guilty do that was anti town besides give reactions, I didn't like swing it through, feel like it's scum salty that their partner got caught for a 'bad reason'

with 18 people alive it was 9 to lynch
yuurei was the hammering vote

oh right, now that i thought about it, this could be some hammer gambit. sorry for ruining Theta.

however, do people fall for that trick though?

on evens its more likely to work since people confuse half to lynch and majority to lynch
ah well

luna is at l-1
do not hammer without giving intent and letting luna claim

and this feels like they knew that Luna had something to claim.

for their part Luna only brings up the theta slot once

Looking at the Golden Iso I don't see anything that points to them being scum. The anger feels genuine and the few votes they do have in the game I agree with. I think both of the top wagons are on town. If we're looking for a low poster lynch, why not Thea who is not doing anything the help the game state? The only vote they have in the game is on us (and I admit that is why I iso'd them) for the simple reason of us being an anon hydra; the rest of the posts are filler.

I'd like the gold voters to say why they would vote gold and not thea.

~Diana

Absolutely empty townread of golden + a random suggestion that they follow up on Theta whom they neither vote nor ever follow up on

tl;dr
Theta randomly votes Luna with no explanation, keeps the vote there until a wagon appears justifying the vote switch because my fake guilty makes them town, and then intents to hammer someone that they're supposedly townread with the explanation that town is just doing so bad because of the fake guilty

Luna only brings them up once in the game to say hey you should be pushing Theta over TGP but never actually follows up on it

We're lynching Luna, if they flip scum we are lynching Theta tomorrow 100% of the time.

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I'm fairly sure TGP is spewed town by that interaction as well, it feels like white knighting

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Also if there's two neighbourizers I'm going to say that more often that not they are going to be 1T 1S with some additional effect tacked onto one.
So like the counterclaim doesn't necessarily make them scum but it makes it more likely.

Also Ursula head called me town because of my NSG read which as far as I remember I've said virtually nothing about in thread so it's basically coming down to RC was so scummy for all this stuff they did earlier but now he's townreading NSG so he's town? makes way more sense for that to be scum who got cold feet when I started hitting back.

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Finally, I don't think that a role called town neighbourizer exists in this setup for whatever reason.

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I did sorta townread the getting sad and leaving thread bit but given that one of the heads is a past don corleone winner I'm not putting that remotely past them and everything else is awful so hey!
if I'm wrong I'm wrong but I don't think that I am.

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we're never lynching anyone besides luna or theta today.

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and when theta flips scum, presuming we lynch them first, treat that as a guilty on Luna.

idc what your independent read on the slot is.

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VOTE: Theta

sure.

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actually nah

VOTE: Luna

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what a meme game

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their interactions are awful, I've brought it up already.

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what that probably means is town has a seer that detects human/non-human and scum have someone human and possibly town has a miller (sympathetic werewolf) kind of deal

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like I originally thought human was the equivalent of like town, not something that had specific game effects, but that was probably wrong.

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yeah 'werewolves' at the end is given as a scum faction whereas 'town' seperate from human is given as the town faction: that wincon does heavily imply non-human town members.

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what if werewolves is the name of the faction and wolf is the name of the race

aka you don't have to lynch town wolves if any

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if anyone ends up claiming a cop or similar result on me you get instantly lynched for wasting that check.

deal?

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was ari likely to deepwolf, creature?

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Because your fucking face loser

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I think you're cute Ankamius do you wanna have tea sometime

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I'm just done trying to gamesolve for this lobby.

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I just said I'm done trying to gamesolve ffgffffff

What slots are you interested in input on?

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Repeat your readslidy?

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You're scumreading me why?

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And that read didn't change at all after page 1

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And that's still your read?

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agree to some extent on all of your townreads

hws agree, I scumread that player regardless of their alignment so I'd prefer to leave that lynch until after I get NKed. don't think he endgames as scum at an yrate.
thetaalpine has awful associatives with luna who are scum and she's independently scummy
TGP probably >rand scum but I'm not sure how AI the stuff I'm looking at is
Archwing needs to do more
AA9 gut pings town
creature i refuse to give a read on because he's doign his damnedest to lead town off a cliff
hebichan is obvtown

scumreading me is legitimately stupid given the information you have ftr

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creature i refuse to give a read on because he's doign his damnedest to lead town off a cliff

in what sense?

what has creature actually done today NSG

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vastly more games are lost due to fetishization of deep wolves and failure to lynch legitimately wolfy people than are lost because there was a deep wolf.

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like for the record I'm not classifying Mathblade as a deepwolf, he is at worst a partially filled cup of water wolf

but in {RC/Creature/NSG/Hebichan/Cheeky/Vecna/Mathblade} like 90% of the time there's no more than one wolf and most of the time if there is one it's mathblade

if you continually lynch town sure maybe it's time to start getting worried but no one needs to be sitting there spending the entirety of D1 throwing shade at me and hiding behind the fact that I can't just lynch them on principle for being obnoxious because they don't try in their scum games

I don't know at what point more games than not involved someone trying to push policy lynches at me, even in lobbies where I was careful about the playerlist, but it's stupid.

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like ari was objectively wolfy. ari didn't get lynched because everyone was searching for wolves in the objectively towny people. and the damage creature is doing to my drive to play the game far exceeds the minimal +equity he'd gain if I was scum.

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I also don't want to play this anymore!

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i think it's indicative that they're telling the truth that their heads don't want to play anymore!

I don't read anything into it besides that.

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Yet here we are.

Is it more indicative of town or scum to be top wagon and silent?

depends

is the top wagon caught dead to rights or...?

Not sure what you mean by dead to rights. I'm talking about TGP - my thought is that it would be scum worried about being unable to shift the wagon by posting, so instead lying low until town moves to one of the others. I wondered if people thought differently.

i think it's indicative that they're telling the truth that their heads don't want to play anymore!

I don't read anything into it besides that.

TGP was on the prod timer, has more votes than Luna and is the top wagon because that's the one that's bolded in the VC. Did you seriously somehow interpret me to be talking about Luna?

i mean I guess this is a situation where scum could legitimately be trying to lurk out the wagon on them?

I don't read people off of activity usually

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Well why not Luna where I think I still am?

because their claim is at least somewhat useful if true regardless of them being town/scum

note theta's reason for not supporting the Luna wagon is that... the neighbourize claim is useful.

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and if they're telling the truth?

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what's the deal?

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meh

VOTE: Theta Alpine

I think that's probably scum defense of another scumbuddy by the fact that scum were entirely unwilling to let Luna through but I could see it as scum whiteknighting I guess
should probably still lynch Luna tomorrow

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oh and

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mine

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!

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I wonder who would be driving conversation in this game if they were able to without getting stupid scumreads for it.

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I pointed out the theta Luna associatives first but you're townreading Mathblade for piggybacking off of it then not voting them?

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Mislynching Theta is like a fine wine

It's very enjoyable but better with a nice dinner.

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Ok then

I didn't remember Mathblade bringing it. I'm doing my best to ignore his posts.

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Me/NSG/A50?

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I'm not locktowning yuurei

Would say they're town though

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I mean I'm not scumreading them?

there's nothing I can point to in that iso that I think never comes from scum unlike with A50, NSG, Hebichan, etc.