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MathBlade wrote:/confirm out with friends
northsidegal wrote:VOTE: mathblade
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MathBlade wrote:/confirm out with friends
northsidegal wrote:VOTE: mathblade
In post 143, northsidegal wrote:trust me, i can soulread keychain. i'm pretty confident in this.In post 140, Yuurei wrote:northsidegal, what are you scum reading keychain for in her confirmation post?
In post 59, Yuurei wrote:i guess you maybe has a point then?
VOTE: thegoldenparadox
it's not a bad reason for a vote in the begin i suppose...
Mathblade is very capable scum, and jumping on you for that rather awkward joke is not what I would call obvtown.In post 70, TheGoldenParadox wrote:also I'm in a game with creature cheeky rc mathblade and nsg
i feel happy
also mathblade is town that was very obvtown unless i'm the most idiotic human on the planet
I'm going to assume we don't know each other unless you indicate otherwise
It's a bit early for a case, isn't it? I didn't see you doing oneIn post 507, ArcAngel9 wrote:Can't wait to hear your case on me!In post 505, Keychain wrote:I disagreeCreature wrote:Cool
ArcAngel is town
VOTE: ArcAngel9
Reasons later when I have more time
I'm sure she isIn post 508, Aronis wrote:ArcAngel seems like a pretty awesome person tbh. Dunno what keychain is thinking
It's pretty early to be claiming this, while at the same time defending Swimmer against accusations of lurking (not sure who exactly is doing that anyway - I know my scumread there is not based on lurking).In post 561, MathBlade wrote:I could go for a Keychain wagon too. Seems like Keychain wants to lurk around the edges instead of creating/interacting with content.In post 505, Keychain wrote:I disagreeCreature wrote:Cool
ArcAngel is town
VOTE: ArcAngel9
Reasons later when I have more time
Half good and half bad, so we'll average it out at all right.In post 576, RadiantCowbells wrote:Hi Key how are you doing?
Yes, that's a good place to start.RadiantCowbells wrote:I feel like I'm obligated to reach out to you about something but I don't really know what to say on my end.
Want to give me a readslist?
If everyone had to be 100% beyond their faking ability as scum before I can townread them, I'd never get anywhere. So I can't be certain that it's genuine, no.In post 603, Vecna wrote:Keychain, how did you conclude that Cheeky is indeed engaged and scumhunting, and more importantly - it being genuine- as opposed to just being aware of her own meta and trying to fake it?
In post 724, ArcAngel9 wrote:Why do you want to wagon me creature? I thought my fav is been key chain.. I am waiting for his reasons.In post 700, Creature wrote:We're not wagoning Arcangel anymore, right?
What are you up to on me?
Did you miss where I gave them or were you just dissatisfied with them?In post 726, ArcAngel9 wrote:this game pace is too much.. Not very confident reads but i did develop some. Going to put out my thoughts soon.In post 725, MathBlade wrote:What are you up to on reads? Been pretty quiet.In post 724, ArcAngel9 wrote:Why do you want to wagon me creature? I thought my fav is been key chain.. I am waiting for his reasons.In post 700, Creature wrote:We're not wagoning Arcangel anymore, right?
What are you up to on me?
*brings out magnifying glass and holds it up to you*
Scum usually like to call on me. So fishing for them. I want to know what keychain thoughts!!
The way you're now avoiding giving any thoughts on the playerlist and are instead hanging on my vote on you in most of your posts is not a great look, but sure, maybe this wagon isn't a good idea.In post 580, Keychain wrote:Mostly I don't like the way you decided your vote. Ten pages is a lot yes, but does give you information, and you jumped on something superficial instead.
I asked for quotes to show what you mean, because this "Creature got agitated over an accusation" idea would be better with evidence so I can see what makes you think this.In post 650, Vecna wrote:Keychain, if it was just a scum creature and a scum TGP, or a scum creature and a scum AA9 - wouldnt that be annoying enough already if they get called out as scum correctly, but for bullshit reasons? Heck, even if only creature is scum in that list, but everyone except me is townreading him - then why does he take on that agitated tone? Id say theres little reason to do that as town - especially since he doesnt even consider the option that the others that are using his opinion to townread AA9
Because that is what my argument is here. Creature seems to agitated over a silly claim where I pretend to have figured out the entire scumteam. There feels like there is more to it.
Can you go further into what this means? For example, are you talking about my vote on AA9 or you?In post 828, Yuurei wrote:it seems worth mentioning that in my vision, keychain's, TGP's and Luna's votes seems to have more the purpose of make it look like they are "trying to catch scum" than to genuinely push their scum reads or get them lynched. dunno.
This post is questionable. It starts off as burden of proficiency based on one game of evidence, and doesn't follow to the conclusion since your push isn't based on TGP's reads at all (or certainly shouldn't be considering it's D1). So I agree with TGP's defense in 933. Not sure what to think about 936's vote in retaliation.In post 921, northsidegal wrote:and, i suppose just to elaborate on the first point, i think that TGP being bad or good is actually AI for him. in a theme game that i modded where he was town, this was his lynchpool on day one:that contains the entire scumteam, the neutral survivor, and one townie.In post 294, TheGoldenParadox wrote:My lynchpool right now is {Gamma, Cheeky, TWC, Wheme(policy), Pintu}
Gamma: I already explained my case.
Cheeky: Provides little in the way of game content, preferring to say things like "why are you guys so scummy" and then proceeds to have the biggest mislynch bait ever as her top townreads. I don't see that coming from this great of a town player, especially considering the difference between this and Gold Rush, although that may be normal newbie queue playstyle differences.
TWC and Pintu: Both perfectly good and capable players that are staying under the radar. I'm willing to partly excuse this as there could be multiple reasons for this absense.
Wheme: Provides none in the way of actual game content, trolling, which is NAI, but makes me want to PL him.
on the other hand, recently i read grand idea overdrive, where he dayvigged two players that were pretty widely townread with some pretty weak reasoning:In post 487, TheGoldenParadox wrote:kk cool
Shoot:Nero
This is a) policy
b) because I think he's jesterhe was a werewolf here. that thread isn't too long so reading it might give you some better context for what i'm saying (as well as some more examples of questionable reasoning / play), but this is where i'm coming from when i say that for TGP specifically i think the question he asked is scum-indicative.In post 516, TheGoldenParadox wrote:do you think i'm scum think again
Yes, you can. I have faith in you. I would rather talk with you about reads, because I'm surprised you asked for a readslist then didn't say anything about you being the only player not on it.In post 943, RadiantCowbells wrote:I can't be useful to town with someone coming in taking potshots at me constantly and as of the most recent wallpost I am no longer townreading the slot.
In post 959, hebichan wrote:VOTE: Luna nova
Whatever, yada yada, if they flip town we lynch RC, yada yada.
Uhh not sure if I'm just misreading, but I've already explained my read. I also really dislike being referred to as he and would prefer she.In post 978, Vecna wrote:Or maybe im just asking Keychain to explain his read? Because in my book, youre far too inactive to have a proper read on.In post 970, CheekyTeeky wrote:In post 603, Vecna wrote:Keychain, how did you conclude that Cheeky is indeed engaged and scumhunting, and more importantly - it being genuine- as opposed to just being aware of her own meta and trying to fake it?
Seriously how can this not be applied to anyone else? Anyone being townread ever could be faking their meta. At first I thought you pushing on me, along with your engagement this game was towny but you're not being objective at all, it feels like you're looking for a reason to scumread me instead of genuinely doing so. You drop down a tier or two.
In post 1002, northsidegal wrote:Honestly considering replacing out.
I was going to replace out then I made a quote wall instead, it was quite cathartic. I think this game is going to be fun.In post 1003, RadiantCowbells wrote:me too
I'm going to be a jerk and keep it secret until you don't sound like you're reading from a script.In post 982, RadiantCowbells wrote:What is your read on me?In post 981, Keychain wrote:Yes, you can. I have faith in you. I would rather talk with you about reads, because I'm surprised you asked for a readslist then didn't say anything about you being the only player not on it.
I've just realised I initially read it as "i think that TGPIn post 985, northsidegal wrote:It's not just based on one game of evidence - I quoted more than one there. Perhaps a larger sample size would disprove it, but in the first place it was always more about my idea of tgp as a player rather than a specific comparison to another game. The things I quoted were simply to give an example of what I was saying.In post 981, Keychain wrote:This post is questionable. It starts off as burden of proficiency based on one game of evidence, and doesn't follow to the conclusion since your push isn't based on TGP's reads at all (or certainly shouldn't be considering it's D1). So I agree with TGP's defense in 933. Not sure what to think about 936's vote in retaliation.
What do you mean when you say that it "doesn't follow yo the conclusion since it isn't based on his reads"? I don't understand why you would think it has to be about his reads in specific instead of just, say, the questions he asks to scumhunt.
If you know someone asks pointed, relevant questions as town but then in a game their scumhunting seems lacklustre, how wouldn't that be relevant?
Huh, maybe I'm being too subtle.
I don't really agree. I think that for some people adding "imo" is more of a habit than anything meaningful.Almost50 wrote:Close, but not quite. I can see a townie who knows they're town to argue against the guilty being guilty. I just don't see them adding "imo" at the end of it. On other words "the guilty is still faked" is the way a townie would phrase it because they know it's a fact. "the guilty is still fakedIn post 1035, RadiantCowbells wrote:for the record this reaction is the huge thing that everything else follows from: if they were town (regardless of read on me) there's no reason to argue that the guilty is fake.In post 1034, Almost50 wrote:An invitation to play in my first tailored setup (in something between a month and century from now) to whomever tells me what I think is wrong with this post.In post 1021, Luna Nova wrote:I am taking that completely out of context but that doesn’t change the fact that the guilty is still faked imo.
arguing that the guilty is fake is hedging for a universe in which it's real imo, particularly given the choice of quotes to pull.imo" show doubt in their own alignment.
Conclusion: My vote is on Luna in spirit, but I still want Definition to get replaced and TALK before we end the day.
I'm rereading their ISO and I'm not sure where the bolded parts of your interpretation of what they meant is coming from, given Diana said that the daycop was fakeRadiantCowbells wrote: Here's the thing though:they pulled up the quote to make the argument that, as scum, I would do this with the explicit intent of retracting the claim (discredits the claim)
but also argued just in general that the guilty was fake. I don't think as town they ever take the approach of 'arguing' that my guilty is ever fake in that manner.
Unless they thought I was going to go through with it,but in the comparison they even used it was meant to imply that I did it as a reaction test, just as scum pretending to be town.
And Yuurei, I think.In post 1065, RadiantCowbells wrote:I don't know what your read on me is, I assumed based on the flat comment that you thought I was scum, do you agree that it's pretty strange that all 3 heads came up with independent scumreads on me that are all based off of really lazy reasoning when as far as I know no one else besides Creature (who always scumreads me as town) thinks that I'm scum?
because that felt really forced to me.
The way that he talks about players coming out on top of arguments seems more likely to come from a scum mindset that a town one. His posts seem rather awkward overall.In post 1069, HeWhoSwims wrote:Surprise I'm alive. Sorry for the inactivity.
I'd say that NSG came out on top in the NSG Math 1v1 I think her reasoning was better. Still I'm wary and the early part of her iso looks bad to me. But there are bigger fish to fry
I still think TGP is barely helping the game. Also I don't agree with NSG being scum with TGP necessarily because she didn't vote TGP; at this point I think scum would join there as it's easy
Beautiful definitely came out on top of the argument with the hydra. A50 has a good point and the imo is pretty damning
Allow me to try and look back some more
Not sure what you mean by dead to rights. I'm talking about TGP - my thought is that it would be scum worried about being unable to shift the wagon by posting, so instead lying low until town moves to one of the others. I wondered if people thought differently.In post 1403, Ankamius wrote:dependsIn post 1402, Keychain wrote:Yet here we are.
Is it more indicative of town or scum to be top wagon and silent?
is the top wagon caught dead to rights or...?
TGP was on the prod timer, has more votes than Luna and is the top wagon because that's the one that's bolded in the VC. Did you seriously somehow interpret me to be talking about Luna?In post 1405, RadiantCowbells wrote:i think it's indicative that they're telling the truth that their heads don't want to play anymore!
I don't read anything into it besides that.
I'm guessing you townread those posts from HWS, why is that? Rereading them reminds me why I think he's scum. Also I'm not sure what you mean by referencing 1206 from RC next to Luna and what your note there means, maybe you explained this at a later point though.In post 1470, Nosferatu wrote:page 42
{}
{Yuurei, nsg, A50}
{keychain, aronis, arcangel9, HWS}
{Theta Alpine, Definition1, TheGoldenParadox, Archwing, Creature, CheekyTeeky, RadiantCowbells, Vecna}
{math}
{hebi, cheeky}
{luna}
HWS - 755, 761
A50 - 807, 808
luna - 946, 1206 (Didn't correct theta but clearly read it)
In post 1489, Nosferatu wrote:Yuurei is mad town
Please help me because I don't understand these townreads on Yuurei. Can each of you give a summary of your reasons please.In post 1497, hebichan wrote:Yuurei is pretty town, any suspicion I had was lost like pages and pages ago, its why I refuse to really debate their scumread on me too hard.
Oh okay that post makes more sense. I'm not sure if you read Definition's first and only post, but it definitely could have been construed to mean that Definition was a kuribo/T-Bone/Untrod Tripod hydra. Like when I read Theta's post, that's what I assumed she thought.In post 1775, Nosferatu wrote:This I can answer
Why do those posts ping you as scum? I read that as clear town frustration and confusion.In post 1769, Keychain wrote:I'm guessing you townread those posts from HWS, why is that? Rereading them reminds me why I think he's scum. Also I'm not sure what you mean by referencing 1206 from RC next to Luna and what your note there means, maybe you explained this at a later point though.
I referenced 1206 but I meant 1026, but its not about what luna says in this post, its that they let theta mistake definition for luna (see 1019) but clearly read the post. It's even more important considering that theta post was a vote, saying that the 3-headed hydra should not be lurking this hard (and then it happens).
Your second point seems like kind of a stretch here. Why would scum bother with activity when town is lynching town?MathBlade wrote:If Luna is scum scum would try to save her and aren’t.
If Luna is town then scum don’t fuss but at the same time there would be some sort of activity or something.
The fact this is a theme game deader than a few doornails means problem.
Ehh, this is lazy. The only time I've been scum in a game with you we were on the same team, and avoiding talking to you as scum would be a terrible idea since I reckon you'd just lynch me for it.In post 2058, RadiantCowbells wrote:Most of my keychain tr is just her trying to interact with me which I guess isn't really that indicative but I also think I should explicitly scumread her by now if she's scum
Thanks for this. Scum often has choices for who they think are PRs though, so I'm still interested. Do you think scum Math lets his team kill someone hard townreading him?In post 2060, RadiantCowbells wrote:This was A50s major reads postIn post 1714, Almost50 wrote:Nos is definitely town. I'd bet the game on both here and Mathblade being town at this point.In post 1674, Ankamius wrote:Nos is probably town
In fact, I also TR Vecna, northsidegal, Yuurei, RadiantCowbells &, Creature (to various degrees and not necessarily in that order)
The joke is I town lean on many, including all 3 lynch suspects, but I have nothing but guts to back that up, and they're not doing themselves any favours, so... *Shrug*
That said I got hard PR vibes from A50 so I would assume that's why they were killed.
In post 2067, Nosferatu wrote:Did Luna's wagon strike you guys as a particularly scum-driven wagon?
Actually, this is worth following up on as well. There were three competing wagons D1 and a very demotivated town. Two are now conftown, one is hebi's inno. Does that suggest anything about where scum were likely to be?In post 2068, hebichan wrote:No, not really.
Yes lets!! I was quite disappointed when you dropped the lovely conversation we were having. The thread ended when you didn't respond to 740.In post 2072, ArcAngel9 wrote:Its not looking we are in day 2. Too many plyers are stalling.
Ank vs Arnois vs Math vS Vecna its sounds like some serious four some. You guys really give some clarity on who is pointing at whom.
VOTE: Key Chain
Lets talk key!!
Yeah but you've previously threatened to policy lynch me if I avoided engaging with you so of course it's something I'd do as scum, it'd be an easy townread because I think you're overconfident. But sure.In post 2120, RadiantCowbells wrote:Key there's a difference between being willing to talk to me and actively seeking out engagement with me particularly in a game where I was checked out and for whatever reason it got to the point where you wanted to replace out.