Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition (Day 8)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

>Can prove themselves vig.
>Is gated so probably couldnt prove themselves last night.
>The gate is irrelevant

Are you serious with this moon logic.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Regardless, there has to be at least a doctor otherwise my 2nd ability doesnt make any sense.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

A town doctor for that matter.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Yeah, so they didnt need to prove themselves last night or couldn't.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

how would OTM even be tampered with if you supposedly go above everything in NAR?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It forced you to gamble. You lost.

why would he make up being roleblocked after you had already said you roleblocked Dave.
I can see you probably lying about roleblocking Dave to gambit, but I don't see any reason for him to make up being roleblocked after you already outing roleblocking Dave.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If your not scum your playing so dumb its unreal.

This is actually more believable than OTM being scum tbh.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Why are we assuming that the quest failed?

All I want is an explanation from Jungle before I judge, it's entirely possible that he needs to come here and PM the mod or something for the public daycop to trigger, but if he comes here and has nothing to show up for himself then yes, we can assume that.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

OTOH im entirely convinced that a Town Doctor has to coexist with the 2nd part of my role.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It’s implied to be Dunnstral N1

????
I thought Dunnstral N1 was related to MariaR using that "scout" message on D1 Twilight.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Why on ETL? ETL already said she didnt shoot last night.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Maybe i should just flat out claim

[Kaede Akamatsu]

thinking about it, if the stars align and ETL and punreader are true claiming then there could be a total of 4 deaths during the night.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So we go back to the "why not track someone that we know can visit"?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That group track thing can also be used as a tracker.
Makes perfect sense to me to track someone who might be scum.
I'm not sure why that's even a question.

Only if you can trust your results.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So when are we lynching Dave/Maria

After we hear from Jungle and if i dont want to lynch Jungle first.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kokichi you shouldnt bother arguing with scum that want an easy mislynch.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You arent supposed to say those things out loud!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You arent supposed to say those things out loud!

didn't got memo, does it come with red role PM?

????

[Kaede Akamatsu]

No it comes with common sense.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Btw i just thought of another possibility for the stuff that happened N1.
But what if scum has some sort of delayed night kill, or rather they poison instead of killing.
Would something like that fit flavor?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Like does no one find it weird that Ouroboros who should've been prime target N1 died N2?
And the roleblocker is still around?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Man, I hate AtE like that, always makes me want to townread it, so i'll just let the rest of the town decide what to do with you

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well Jungle's role is confirmed by the mod, although as of this point, it's no better than a public fruit vendor.
Assuming with the information we have it is indeed that, why let the bodyswapper die with vent D1?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Question 2:
Assuming Jungle's role does more powerful stuff to warrant letting the bodyswapper die, why would they target ETL with it? then Ouroboros (who died)?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

This is outside of the AtE they did today, i refuse to try and read that coz i'll always townread it, this is more my analysis of their role claim + play + mod confirmation of said quests existance.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well Jungle's role is confirmed by the mod, although as of this point, it's no better than a public fruit vendor.
Assuming with the information we have it is indeed that, why let the bodyswapper die with vent D1?

Hey Kaede - I skimmed when I could over the weekend but am super confused on most of this day so far. Can you help me catch up/sort out what has happened today?

Like, I caught that Jungle is saying he submitted the wrong name - my question basically is why that was allowed as a "failure" on his role by the mod rather than say, "oh yeah I meant this", if I'm understanding how his role was meant to be used. Also what do you mean that it is confirmed by the mod, but as a fruit vendor?

ETL

Summary
MariaR is in a neighborhood with Dunn and Ouroboros created by Ouroboros.
That neighborhood also controls a tracker among all of them, track target must be agreed to by majority.
If there's 1 or more scum in the hood the track will always yield "didn't visit" regardless.
MariaR claims to track matt and getting "didn't visit"
matt confirms this.
wilky claims no result and blames OTM for it.
OTM says he targeted dave.
I came up with a theory that scum has a delayed NK or kills with poison because otherwise why did ouroboros die now instead of N1, when they were actually confirmed right, and why is the roleblocker still alive.
Jungle submitted the wrong name and apologized (apparently according to this you were supposed to hammer the name he submitted)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I still dunno why Ouro and co would track someone that's not a confirmed visitor, a visiting result would immediately make that a masonry.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I also claim the ability to visit during the night, but im not claiming what my night action does, you can add me to the pool of what MariaR should track, I have a plan. This will reduce the chances of shenanigans, by having a pool of 3.
(Btw N1 targeted Ouroboros, N2 targeted Kokichi, if i die over the night, this may help figure out what's going on)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

What is SOP?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm not in a hood with Dunn

Oh i misread things then.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kokichi's 100% town.
punreader nfi

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Next day, RC dead, Maria claims there is another neighbor (who will actually be scum partner). Refuses to say who it is, that is, until we deliver our shot tonight.

This also very well explains why Ouroboros is dead today and not yesterday.

ETL

That would necessitate scum having knowledge of RC's role N1.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kokichi's 100% town.
punreader nfi

Why is kokichi 100% town? Did I miss something major there?

Hm? but i already went into it yesterday.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kokichi being scumread is something normal, i see it happen all the time. But Kokichi's a good scum player, there's certain actions he's done this game that only paint him worse as scum, which are blunders that he wouldn't make if he was scum

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If Jungle's scum and scum shot ETL, that would imply the people that have been shot are simultanously the ppl Jungle has given a quest to, THAT doesnt ever happen.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If Jungle's scum and scum shot ETL, that would imply the people that have been shot are simultanously the ppl Jungle has given a quest to, THAT doesnt ever happen.

Why not? Seems like a smart scum play.

Why? Seems like dumb scum play.
No matter what your role effect has (other than guaranteeing your kill succeeds, which in that case the kill CAN NOT be on ETL), there's no reason to do anything to whoever you're shooting, of course, unless it's a vig like ETL is, but it's like scum would've known that N1, also scum couldn't have possibly known ETL would survive the shot.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

There is.
Assume with me scum do the “stupid” play and Jungle is scum and they shot ETL and gave the quest to ETL. They would be setting up Jungle for the deep game. “Oh look here, Jungle clearly can’t be scum”

Then instead they were forced to adjust when ETL survived. Jungle made up a bogus bullshit quest to eat up the entire day. They said it would day cop so it wouldn’t be questioned.

Killing RC and giving him the quest silences further investigation into what it actually does. Furthermore if it is a quest that requires completion of a task why would Jungle have to submit the name again?

I think scum flail was day two and we ate it up like candy.

Everything can be scum motivated if you make it sound so.

I think logic and common sense dont agree with you tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Really though, I think Alchemist has been in the background all game and makes a decent scum pick. Still thinking about voting jungle

in case their quest gave scum something

Impossible, the quest says "to help out the settlement", i mean that doesnt sound like the quest would be something bad for us, otherwise the mod is misleading and this would be a bastard game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

and made no mention of RC getting one. This would be an inconsistency

he did

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If Jungle was town why didn’t Kaede get the quest? <<

The first quest was supposed to be a public daycop, if the results are of similar fashion (public tracks, public rolecops, etc) what's the point of using it on a confirmed town player?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Settlements PLURAL.

Not singular.

Plural

It's still not the INSTITUTE tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I literally just said why.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I do admit tho I am interested in how the quests interact with my role.

Yeah Loud fruit vendor sounds more plausible than giving a quest that strengthens scum if someone does it.

P-Edit: Ah thanks ETL.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

And if you have a track that you can use on someone why not give it to you

It would track the person that completes the quest, not that i could give a track to someone.
That is if we believe what Jungle said D2, and even then, I don't see anything about that role that seems scum motivated, ETL's play around the quest doesn't seem scum motivated either, they really REALLY tried hard to get it completed.

All I see here is you trying to discredit logical conclusions coz they dont align with your reads and/or you're scum.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Jungle doesn’t even tell us what the quest is supposed to do.

Jungle told us on D2 that the quest given to ETL would publicly daycop ETL today if the quest was succesfully completed yesterday.
I don't see the point in telling us what the quest given to ouroboros would do if it's of similar nature.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Jungle doesn’t even tell us what the quest is supposed to do.

Jungle told us on D2 that the quest given to ETL would publicly daycop ETL today if the quest was succesfully completed yesterday.
I don't see the point in telling us what the quest given to ouroboros would do if it's of similar nature.

I do.

Because there is no way GiF as a mod says
“here keep copping people as long as votes fall on a sunrise on a Tuesday”

If he did Jungle would be a liability and dead.

You dont know how to read or something?
How the hell do you get infinite daycop out of "similar nature"

P-Edit: Possibly, suffice to say this lash out against Jungle for making a mistake, and these discredits make me more and more confident Jungle's town.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

yeah man, because day cop is the only investigative ability in the world of mafia, so me saying that he has an infinite day cop is the only possible explanation!</sarcasm>

[Kaede Akamatsu]

with that said, Jungle should claim what the quest was

I do agree with this tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

so is evil titus complaining about:

a) me being an "infinite daycop"?

or

b) me fucking up my daycop yesterday?


a) presumes my role is true. b) presumes my role is false.

you cant have both. seems like evil titus is voting us for both tho

it turns out evil titus is bad at logic

No, OTM thinks you have a crystal ball and can predict everything that happens and that's why you decided to shoot ETL while simoultanously giving them a quest because they would survive!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Quite a productive day we are having!
At least people should have no excuse for not catching up now.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

you guys are funny bunch - RC was trying lead town, you complained, RC is out and you complain again, because nothing is happening. How about instead of complaining try do something productive? Also, you always have option to just replace out

Yeah good idea
VOTE: Ramcius

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Why Jungle can't be 4th member? 3 man mafia makes no sense

Or who is 4th then?

Did you "forget" that there's a dead scum already?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You certainly are.
You didnt even notice im voting Ram.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

UNVOTE:
Read through all of punreader's reads.
Reconsidering considering the info on Nero's meta.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

When he is pun, he is a lurker. Mostly just lurking, since he does produce actual content when around (just at a far more infrequent rate), but he does a fair share of active lurking as well. I Cain tell you, having known him for the years that I have, this is squarely in the latter category. He was doing almost nothing the entire time he was around. If he were town, he'd have been all over Ventriloquist as well. His list of sins is great, and I'm not sure I can even properly describe all of them because as such a long-time associate these are things I just know rather than needing to explain to others.

I've seen Nero scum twice, but one time the game ended prematurely as abandoned, the other time he was in hydra. This is some impression I had about his scum game which i had forgotten plus I didnt pay it much attention as it could've been caused by IRL issues, I believe this should be accurate at the very least from my own experience as well, the main question is "Was this what happened here?".

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Good thing we want to resolve Jungle today and we didnt want to resolve dave yesterday am i right?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm not lynching Jungle in this universe nor the next specially after this string of posts.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I will however lynch this.
VOTE: matt

[Kaede Akamatsu]

My comment was mostly directed to the Roleblocker agreeing with their pseudoguilty on the "WIFOM explains everything" reasoning which if it's something you truly believe then you might as well not have townreads considering everything can be explained under the guise of "To appear town", punreader brought some very valid points and you guys are shading them like no tomorrow just to get your lynch.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If you

really

wanted Jungle to be resolved you'd give him a chance to prove himself via succesfully using his role instead of pushing for his lynch.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You were testing him pending confirmation of the quest.

So now you’re just gonna test him again?

I was, but now I townread the slot, regardless of quest or not.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

To be frank I would rather play mafia. Powers from the quests be damned.

So your implication of "playing mafia" is "motivations be damned, gamestate be damned, everything is done for WIFOM and to look town"

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If we're going down that route then I could go ahead and say that Hebichan's posting was to pretend your slot is town.
Or that you went and gave a quick reads list when you thought you'd be modkilled to further WIFOM on reads.

But i'm not, and you know why? Because I dont honestly believe any of those actions could be seriously taken by someone in a scum slot. Same goes with Jungle, those actions dont make sense for someone with a scum role PM.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Meanwhile we have a legit case of scum meta towards Nero slot, which you guys are blindly turning your eyes on in favor of pursuing this "let's resolve Jungle slot", and you're telling ME to play Mafia?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So tell me.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that a town player made an honest mistake and it must without a doubt be a scum player trying to manipulate town.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyways if you're looking for my argument here it is:

Well Jungle's role is confirmed by the mod, although as of this point, it's no better than a public fruit vendor.
Assuming with the information we have it is indeed that, why let the bodyswapper die with vent D1?

Question 2:
Assuming Jungle's role does more powerful stuff to warrant letting the bodyswapper die, why would they target ETL with it? then Ouroboros (who died)?

Then you also have punreader's argument which you've no doubt read since you've quoted dave's opinion of it. Which was in fact, shading, under the guise of "Town cant be predicted so anything's okay in scum's book". By your pseudo guilty no less, so you're saying that scum is making a good argument towards lynching someone who really has no scum motivation to go the way he did?
And that is how you play mafia?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

There's literally no logic behind those actions.
From YOUR point of view Dave should be close to confirmed scum, yet you're willing to follow dave's shading just because Jungle made a mistake, a mistake scum are capitalizing on no doubt. What a better way to get rid of a JOAT than via by lynch because they screwed up?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If anything you should be raising eyebrows at dave wanting Jungle dead.
OH i know! now you're gonna say that Jungle's being bused by dave! OF COURSE!, because they are already down by 1, and are just gonna hard bus now for towncred when there's already a pseudo guilty on them, OF COURSE! THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SURVIVE.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If anything you should be raising eyebrows at dave wanting Jungle dead.
OH i know! now you're gonna say that Jungle's being bused by dave! OF COURSE!, because they are already down by 1, and are just gonna hard bus now for towncred when there's already a pseudo guilty on them, OF COURSE! THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO SURVIVE.

I am ignoring you until you answer Dave’s question

I've already answered your question. But if you want something that has literally nothing to do with their role, it's their tone, their tone doesnt sound like it comes from scum at all, specially their posts in this day phase.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

We are in a theme game FFS, throw any normality out of the window.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It's fine by me if you ignore me anyways.
I can just go ahead and do the same, because your logic operates under the guise of "Scum would do literally anything, scum win con be damned", which is something I 100% disagree with, and is something I literally hate being used as an argument.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It's fine by me if you ignore me anyways.
I can just go ahead and do the same, because your logic operates under the guise of "Scum would do literally anything, scum win con be damned", which is something I 100% disagree with, and is something I literally hate being used as an argument.

Okay then.

Because I don’t see how it’s harmful to scum to have town waste time never scumhunting.

And whose fault was it that we took too long to achieve the first part of the quest? Jungle's? Impossibear's? Town's? Scum's?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If you're gonna argue that scum was using the quest to waste town's time, then you gotta find suspects that helped town waste time by not helping with said quest.
I want names.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Now, assume overnight you have a RC who is dead set against your slot and you’re scum. You either have to give RC something better to look at or you have to eat the lynch. Considering scum did not have a proper lynch to spare (as 2XLarge theme is insane) this meant distracting RC away from his likely guilty. This means getting into mechanics discussions which RC hates like the plague because then it’s really hard for him to annoy people til he can read them.

Now assume that the slot is town, was wrong on vent and saw that ETL was hard defending that slot the previous day.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If I was town and spent literally the entire day on a plan, I have three alarms and a fucking reminder to submit correctly. His entire day was focused on this plan. You’re expecting me to believe he just made a mistake?

1) You're not Jungle
2) Jungle said he was sick

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh wow, so i am now not allowed to reply to your posts as you post them either?
What a jerk.

Anyway to err is human, to forgive, divine.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If he figured out ETL was a town player why Day cop him? This seems rather odd and in contradiction to all of Jungle’s previous posts.

You do realize that quest was a public daycop right?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

The more important question is, who knows if he will have another quest like that so, why waste it on one of the lurkers?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I didn't.
I asked you to tell me who wasted time by not helping out with the quest.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I can save you time and tell you that the only one who vocally expressed intent to sabotage the quest was ouroboros, oh and look, he flipped town.
The only reason the quest took so long was because ETL wanted a specific set of people voting their target to prevent any potential quickhammers, looks like that was a town reasoning.

Seems like it's town who wasted time on their own, not the scum's plan, if the scum wanted the quest to fail they could've just hammered someone and then play dumb, instead of this convoluted BS.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I legit give up

About damn time.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

As far as I remember NAR only comes into play when actions are conflicting with each other.
i.e a redirector redirects you towards another target but you're roleblocking them, if they are roleblocked they cant redirect you, but if they redirect you then they arent roleblock, this creates a paradox and NAR solves this problem.

Thanks for reminding me punreader.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Other 2 useful examples include Bus Driver
Suppose the bus driver swaps himself and another player, and you roleblock that other player, if the swap goes then the bus driver is now roleblocked, but that creates a paradox since you go above in NAR then your roleblock is succesful in your intended target, if the bus driver goes first, then the swap happesn and then you roleblock them, henceforth blocking nothing.
Same theory with roleblocking a bus driver swapping themselves with someone else, in other words the only guarantee to prevent the bus drive or redirection would be to hit the bus driver or redirector themselves.

Commuter and hider are the most common examples, because if they cant be targeted when commuting/hiding then the action will fail, but if they are targeted before they commute they could negate the commute entirely or swap targets with someone else. Hence why they usually go above other things on NAR coz they create a paradox with almost everything.

Now there's an interesting thing I want to ask MariaR, did the message GIF send you tell you the name of your intended target or did it say something along the lines of "Your target" if a redirection role is present and the mod uses the player's name then the mod effectively is lying to you, hence mods usually either generally or when a redirection role exist just say "your target" to hint that the target may not be the intended one.

Strongwilled and Strongman are passive/reactive abilities just like bulletproof, thinking about it again now, im wondering if you really can roleblock a strongman, did you ask GIF this?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I still dont think a scum wilky comes out of the blue saying he got roleblocked after you had already claimed to block Dave, from the PoV of him scum seeing town you, he has no reason to disbelieve you.
That being said, a fair point was raised if a slow cop's target was changed midway it's possible that would end up in No Result, and if it's a bus driver and wilky was scanning MariaR it begs the question of why MariaR would be swapped somewhere.

There's also the strongwilled item given to impossibear, which makes their actions immune to roleblocks or redirections, if as OTM says is true then OTM's role wouldnt interfere with it and scum has to posses either of these 2 means to interfere with town, it's not outside of the realm of possibility that scum could have used either means to interfere with wilky.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

@KAEDE

Do you think it's possible Kokichi has done this here or is there some reason I should believe that's out of the question?

That is entirely possible, I'm not reading Kokichi myself, im reading the aura surrounding him, or rather, how people react to him and his posting. Kokichi's not a bad player, he's just bad at looking town when town, I have high praise of his ability to read people specially ppl like MariaR who i cannot read.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Yet Wilky never outed who he tried to cop because??

he said MariaR

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I struggle to see why scum jungle would take such a risk that would inevitably lead to his lynch the day after. This is the only thing stopping me wanting a speed lynch on jungle to be honest.

My cop attempt was on Maria, I think Maria is scum but was holding off for my results but since that never happened

VOTE: Maria

They have no reason to lie, even as scum. If they say they did visit and you're lynched as town, they are confirmed scum. Which isn't a good trade off.

eh fair it was matt

Matt can you confirm that you didn't visit anyone last night?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Just a fyi, if we're not lynching matt because you believe that claim i wanna lynch dave.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Weeeeeell ETL says they are lying and that they are definitely not piper.
But im not sure how much I can trust that, considering the way GIF designs flavor and roles.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: dave
Ok that's an answer i guess.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh right, forgot about that.
VOTE: matt

[Kaede Akamatsu]

davesaz (1): REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE
davesaz (2): Kokichi Oma, Ankamius

Wow davesaz can clone himself!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Uh im not punreader but:

My argument is that GiF is the type of mod who would give us a scum fruit vendor which announces as a quest and if scum manages to pull hijinks around it more power to them.

You explicitly stated that, the quest being allowed to fail for a technicallity detracts from it's credibility.
To which punreader responded, that such a thing is

exactly

what GIF would do with a role based on their experience.

This doesnt address that and is dodging the question.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Also:

3.06

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE (2):

OnTheMark, davesaz

projectmatt (6):

Ramcius, Impossibear, punreader, MariaR, wilky, Kaede Akamatsu

Ramcius (2):

projectmatt, Dunnstral

davesaz (3):

REALMEN ONLY JUNGLE, Kokichi Oma, Ankamius

Not Voting:

davesaz, Alchemist21

With

14

alive,

8

to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2018-06-09 23:05:14)

You want to lynch JUNGLE on the grounds that they have had a mod confirmed quest given to impossibear and since the quest failed it cannot be proven.
You dont want to lynch MariaR on the grounds that she can be confirmed later based on whether a track fails or not.
But...
What about matt who's not even arguing a roleblock, redirect or anything, but just that their predecessor didnt submit an action.
Nero was around when N1 ended, as he was here enough to post a replace out request, i struggle to believe they would just let the night go without a night action even if they planned on being replaced later. They were also here during twilight. Do you seriously believe Nero forgot to submit an action, but dont believe Jungle messed up the quest?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

How is that the slightest bit relevant when I think it's a scum role to begin with?

It's relevant because the question is "is this the mod that would allow such a thing to happen" no "is the alignment of this player X because of what happened"

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Why does town Jungle use the quest on someone very likely to be NK'd?
Kaede and Ourobos should have been excluded from any possible target list.
Scum on the other hand want it to land on the NK, because if it really is a quest that helps town given by a scum player, eliminating the target of the quest is helpful to scum.

A quest giving permanent bulletproof should've been given to someone that's not likely to be NK'd? What kinda logic is that.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

He even said he wasnt sure to either give it to Ouroboros or me, he thought i was gonna be NK'd and gave it to Ouroboros.
It was a coin flip, and he lost, or do you think anyone else was worth a permanent bulletproof?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

By play it's so obvious it hurts my eyeballs.

Well by play you're so obviously scum too.
Specially with the insane ammount of shading and discredit being thrown around, and with the question dodging.
Care to reply to my: 4520 then?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh my OTM agreeing with the player they wanted super dead D2 again, why do I even continue to bother with these tbh.
I guess OTM's agreeing also to not reading Jungle posts, coz that's what I was about to say about dave for mentioning stuff that Jungle never claimed

[Kaede Akamatsu]

He should've used the bp quest on me so I could get policy lynched for still being useless in a few days

Ikr!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

EBWOP -- Jungle claims to not know what the quest will be, before giving it.

I'm pretty sure they know what the quest does on the night they give it, they just dont know what future quests will do, but if im the one misreading posts care to quote it?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh hey that was faster than I thought.

quests changes every night

and GIF will tell me what the new ques

t is

Not even a 1 minute search.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Retracted -- they don't know until that night.
Pedit: yeah I found it too. I made a mistake.

Doubling down, the mod has not said what the quests do, so it's still just what Jungle claims.
Scum would claim something good, obviously.

Ok at least that's a more sensible argument.
Still I disagree, we do have Jungle's word only as to what their quest does, but I disagree about them using it the way they do (on people that would die) even if it's just a fruit vendor, there was no need to even use that ability to begin with and just serves as putting the spotlight on them after claiming it, and even assuming they are compulsive or something, they didnt need to be the one to claim to have given it.

As far as the mistake goes, you are just looking at the tree, not the forest, or you're scum. Im trying to open your view as to what could have possibly happened that caused the quest to fail. In any case, why is a mistake due to being sick treated as being scum, while matt's predecesor, who was here in twilight and also was here at the start of day 2, suddenly make a mistake of not sending in an action N1, specially for someone that would be

unable

to do so N2.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

As far as the mistake goes, you are just looking at the tree, not the forest, or you're scum. Im trying to open your view as to what could have possibly happened that caused the quest to fail. In any case, why is a mistake due to being sick treated as being scum, while matt's predecesor, who was here in twilight and also was here at the start of day 2, suddenly make a mistake of not sending in an action N1, specially for someone that would be unable to do so N2.

+ Not scum?

EBWOP

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Glad to finally get that sorted.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Then we can just lynch you instead to ensure the people that have claimed actions dont get blocked.
Would you rather that happen?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Glad to finally get that sorted.

If it's you, Jungle, and someone else in 3p, for God's sake actually look at Jungle's posting.
That's a nightmare scenario for me, I'm worried you've conftowned someone who has done absolutely nothing pro-town the whole game.

If i am alive at 3p LyLo something's seriously wrong with my reads, if i die tonight you'll know why scum would LOVE to kill me when i flip, if i dont die tonight then i may claim tomorrow.
In other news about literally every other post in this page:
OTM: If you're arguing flavor doesnt confirm town, then you've entirely misread my post because I never mentioned that. Im arguing that the way Jungle used their role and claim doesnt align with someone that plays to a scum win condition, regardless it is true that if I'm alive at LyLo or something I'll def. need to reorganize my reads or do a full reset or something. However you're directly getting in the way of getting 2 conf town or 1-2/2 conf scum by not cooperating, is that your reasoning for not cooperating? We all have seen Ouroboros role PM, we all know what will happen to whoever maria and dave track, there's no ifs or buts out of that. If you decide to get in the way of mechanically clearing or condemning people for a single night I wont hesitate to call you scum and throw everything you and your predecessor did out of the window, because that would be DIRECTLY INTERFERING WITH TOWN'S WINCON AND FURTHER HELPING A SCUM WIN CON.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Pretty sure if they had an answer for that they'd have replied by now.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Regardless if this flips town im doing a hard reset tonight.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well apparently so is matt tho.
And this was Nero's scum meta too.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Speaking of competent players i'd say, ETL, Kokichi, MariaR, OTM all fit that as well.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede there is no good option here.

The plan relies on me blocking someone.

The plan relies on me blocking a townread.

Soooo your plan relies on me blocking someone I believe to be town.

What am I supposed to do exactly?

Either way I am antitown.

I can’t block no one that fucks with the plan.

I can’t block a townread as that is by definition the antitown thing you’d be mad at me for

I can’t block a scumread as they have claimed actions.

So I can’t block anyone and must block someone.

What you’re asking is logically impossible.

The plan does not work as written.

Sometimes sacrifices are needed, you need to block a townread, take your stab at the scummiest of your TRs if you must, but if the plan's interfered with we get left with less info.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede there is no good option here.

The plan relies on me blocking someone.

The plan relies on me blocking a townread.

Soooo your plan relies on me blocking someone I believe to be town.

What am I supposed to do exactly?

Either way I am antitown.

I can’t block no one that fucks with the plan.

I can’t block a townread as that is by definition the antitown thing you’d be mad at me for

I can’t block a scumread as they have claimed actions.

So I can’t block anyone and must block someone.

What you’re asking is logically impossible.

The plan does not work as written.

Sometimes sacrifices are needed, you need to block a townread, take your stab at the scummiest of your TRs if you must, but if the plan's interfered with we get left with less info.

I would rather announce who I am blocking than block someone I townread.

Would that work for you?

No, a scum MariaR could easily say they tracked you to your target and shoot dave.
Likewise for a scum Dave shooting MariaR, if they know who you are targeting.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

^
Concur with that vote
Ok before i say anything i wanna know who Dave/MariaR tracked

[Kaede Akamatsu]

but I honestly think that doubled quest just about proves MariaR is scum.

No it's okay.
There's one scum among MariaR/Dave

Look, matt flipped a visiting role, and they got no visit N2 yeah?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

The doubled quest is because of my role, sorry if that is causing confusion.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Should probably be the same.
What my second ability does is that anything targeting me will ALSO target my target.
And as you can probably tell i targeted MariaR last night.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Now there's the other matter of impossibear said they would shoot last night yes?.
Now why were they the only death?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

But that's not possible, they said they got that party starter thingy from alchemist which would make them effecitvely strongwilled.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It's also possible whoever they shot was being protected by bulletproof or doctor.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I am not answering whether I did or not until MariaR answers and we do the whole check bit. I do acknowledge I blocked someone.

That's not necessary anymore with matt's flip, they flipped scum ungated role cop, so they could have acted N2 no problem. Yet their track said "no visit" means there's 1 scum among MariaR/dave or both.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That is if YOU roleblocked them, then sure.
Also the way you describe it doesnt mean it bypasses passives.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I was talking about impossibear's shot for the record

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyway i've seem to hit an issue.
There's 1 scum between MariaR/dave or both are scum.
But I can't decide which one I want to place my vote on.

MariaR's just a scumread, which Kokichi also shares which makes me think im likely right there.
dave's D3 is just... first he flips out when I decide to lynch him instead of matt, there's also the pseudo guilty on him.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

100% scum in Maria/Dave if both were town pmatt would've said he visited for x2 mislynches

VOTE: Maria

We already knew that from Ouroboros' role and matt's flip. matt obviously had to make up a role that didnt visit N2 for it to fit with what they got so they thought the hood was all town.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'd just do Dave at this point. Reason being is that his vig probably failed due to a doc or (Holding this back until Jungle tells us what today's quest is)

Yeah whatever the quest is, both me and MariaR should be eligible to complete it thanks to my duplication.

Anyway, the reason i thought there had to be a doctor was that i thought the point of my role was to double up positive abilities used on known town, and only doc and watcher came to mind, but now with the ammount of possitive effects i've seen that doesn't seem to be the case anymore.

It's also why I believed Jungle.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh wait...actually hang on.

ETL's vig shot is explained if ETL tried to shoot Maria and someone doctored Kaede.

that is also a possibility yes.
what happened N1 i thought someone protected me and i copied it to Ouroboros, hence why i was firm in believing a doctor existed.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: Maria

I think she's more likely than Dave.

Also if there's scum protective I'd be willing to bet it's Punreader, based on what I saw from Tchill when he was still in the game. Tchill's early claim to me seemed like someone with a strong role claiming something that would make people want to not target him with anything. At first I thought it was Town PR but as time went on and he seem unengaged it started seeming more likely to be scum trying to stay off the radar.

Doubtful, if punreader is scum he would know that lynching pmatt would be the equivalent to losing 2 scum, specially such a good scum player like matt, but also the MariaR/dave situation, considering they've already lost 1, this is a pretty heavy gambit coz you'd have to lose 2 more just by mechanics.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

@Wilky who are you copping?

@Kaede that makes a lot more sense. However, I kinda think it's Dave here. Ouroborous would have had to have visited you as an IC for the copy to work yeah?

No, just the doctor.
I visit whoever i want anything on me be copied to, i basically force whoever visits me to also visit the person i target (so any trackers on them would turn up a double visit)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

However this is a double edged sword, hence why I said that scum may find it lucrative to kill me.
I would assume if scum kills me it'll also be copied to my target (That actually was my intention when targeting MariaR but im still alive anyways)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyway I wanna wait for Jungle to tell us what the quest is, and what we get from it.
I also want more opinions on the Dave/MariaR situation, suffice to said im surprised MariaR didnt go against dave first thing, but I noticed the implications of matt's flip late in the night phase, although with enough time to change my target. So it's not imposisble to think they didnt realize it yet.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

@Kaede redirector factors in how?

They would redirect me towards the new target.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Granted scum wouldnt expect an IC to have additional abilities, i doubt that was the case N1 or N2, D3 i openly said i had a targeting action, but as we all saw it hit my intended target.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Actually we probably dont need to pay much attention to a doc N1.
It's clear, scum hit Impossibear, they are 1-Shot BP even tho they were bluffing infinite BP, otherwise it makes no sense for them to have died now.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Pretty sure matt scanned Impossibear N2 and that's how they found out they were 1-shot and so shot them again.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

This is true, im probably going to vote dave, but I dont want to add votes while waiting on Jungle.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I was not in the hood till after n2.
VOTE: maria

I had that on my mind too, like if you were scum and added to the hood N2, while MariaR is town does that compromise the N2 result?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Scum: MariaR, punreader

Do you think scum punreader with 1 member down hard buses another member whose flip will give a hard guilty on the 3rd?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

well not exactly quote but, basically Day 3 punreader hard pushed matt based on nero's scum meta, MariaR previously had said that she had tracked matt visiting no one, and we know from Ouroboros' flip that if there's scum in the neighborhood then the track will always say "No visit", matt flipped a scum role cop.
Those are the facts.
Now a supposed scum punreader would've known that matt would flip scum role cop, and that matt had indeed acted N2, hence would know that flipping matt would cast a hard guilty on MariaR due to Ouroboros role. With 1 scum down, do you really think they did this? it's not like anyone had brought up Nero's scum meta previously and matt's supposedly known to be a very good scum player.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

btw, i have confirmed with GIF that what davesaz says is true. So regardless of dave's alignment MariaR is conf scum.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

would be nice if you guys could hold off for a bit, still wanna know what Jungle's quest is all about.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well MariaR getting the quest too is irrelevant since she's dying today anyway.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

My vote is going to MariaR but i wanna know everyone else's opinion on everyone else before i put my vote there.
Jungle what are your reads atm?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

...legit frustrated.

Jungle is scum.

If we trigger the requirement Kaede = commuter = good so yay! Why would you not tell us?

it's okay, i dont intend to let a potential Jungle scum live long, Jungle has until both MariaR and dave are lynched and/or otherwise dead to have a working quest, no shenanigans, no hidden info, etc.
That is assuming that game hasnt ended after davesaz is lynched i will eventually look back at Jungle and even Kokichi, we have the advantage atm with 2 dead scum and 1 hard guilty on the other, let's not mindlessly kill, k?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

@Jungle: Why did you give me a commuting quest when I had stated yesterday that I had a targeting action, although i still need to ask GIF if this would interfere, but logic says that a commuting player cannot act.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

While being a commuter might be better than what my role currently does, it's not like Jungle had any way of knowing what my action did.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

how bad depends on how many scum you think exist after MariaR's scumflip.
his plan fits with his reads tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Regardless I think it's obvious now that scum shot impossibear N1, no? Im not sure why davesaz has a pseudo guilty on him anymore, but it doesnt hurt to try, if you think there's 1 scum left after the death of MariaR then if a kill happens when you roleblock someone there's a clear right there.
I generally dont care about plans at this point, because as long as my stronger townreads are town this is auto win.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

As I had previously indicated, I hid behind Kokichi Oma.

Does this mean I'm clear?

No it doesnt, unfortunately. I still have my doubts of you being scum, but with this major advantage I can give myself some leeway.

On other news, just in case scum has a redirector or bus driver, until one flips i wont act at all during the night. Considering my ability is now known i wont have scum using it as a second kill. Sorry scum, you lost your chance, although tbh if i had been shot last night i would've taken scum out with me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Let's acknoweldge the following facts.

Impossibear flipped ONE SHOT bulletproof (not full bulletproof), it's in their role name.
Scum had an active Role Cop for 2 nights.
Impossibear died N3.

If impossibear's bulletproof was indeed unlimited, then scum would've needed a strongman to deal with it.
I think the conclusion of Scum shot impossibear N1, Scum rolecopped impossibear N2, Scum shot impossibear N3, is a pretty good posibility.

As such either Nero, MariaR or a possible 3rd unknown scum if dave is town, shot Impossibear since dave was roleblocked N1.

Basically what i mean is that the evidence against dave isnt as damning as before, that doesnt make him town, just less likely to be scum via mechanics.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Now also knownscum matt defended dave D2 pretty hard.
So It's entirely possible he's scum by association.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If the game's not over after lynching MariaR and dave, i will acknowledge that Kokichi, Jungle and punreader shouldnt be treated as town as i stated before, punreader is supposed to be a good scum planner? that being said, i didnt like Ramcius, but matt was trying to lynch him pretty hard, and Ram is kinda lynchbaity, RC also said he's good at reading lynchbait and was townreading Ramcius, so i'd probably give him a townread for now, if among all those 5 we havent won then i seriously messed up somewhere.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

And with that
VOTE: MariaR

[Kaede Akamatsu]

The only problem with dave is that i dont see him claiming "i has no other abilities" and then not making the kill N1.
But.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Anyone has any objections to what i have stated?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Although if both MariaR and dave flip scum AND the game's not over, i'd think it'd be pretty impossible for punreader to be scum yeah, he'd have to have hard bussed his entire team (or the remaining of it), with one of his teammates being known as one a very good scumplayer to his own word and prolly some others (matt), and planning on reaching LyLo alone.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Gonna wait for MariaR to post, after having read up on current events

So you believe that matt didnt act N2 while being a role cop?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I dunno what do you want a confscum to say, but ok.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

@Kaede: Do you know if this would work with your role? Town Doctor claims then saves you each night. You target town doctor each night and then you save one another.

Yes, I had already asked GIF about this before iirc, would cause the doc to target me and themselves.
Of course, there' still the issue that i could be redirected.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede

What do you think of YTs entrance?

Dunno what to think about it, but as I said before matt was obsessed with lynching Ram iirc, so im just stuffing it in the town pile. At least he seems less scummy than Ram.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That is... interesting.
I didnt even realize MariaR had been hammered already. But then literally everyone except Jungle and Dunn had voted for her.

Well anyway seems like the previous quest failed since Jungle was able to give me a new one, so I guess I wasn't commuting, and as you can see i didnt target last night.

So Jungle I hope this time your quest does end up helping the settlements, today's your last chance.
I also still wanna know your reads, etc.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh yeah, I also would like to extend an apology to Ouroboros, their track target was good coz it gave us a guilty with matt's flip, I still dont think that was the optimal way to have played it, but considering the track fell on lying scum it ended up for the better.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

kaede: what are your thoughts on ankamius? hoping you can support my townread on them, but if you have any inklings they are scum i'd like to know.

Ankamius is town tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Then again i did say the same thing about projectmatt.
But i'm more confident on my Ankamius read.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I think he didnt want to block dave.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Regardless.
Considering OTM kept arguing against who to block it's hard to say who he did actually block, if he had just said yes, then we'd know that dave would've been roleblocked.

Fact: dave said he has no other abilities than his miller role.
Point: If dave is scum he's probably lying, but that would risk a tracker seeing him visiting anywhere exposing his lie.

Fact: Scum's kill was blocked Night 1.
Point: dave was roleblocked Night 1, if he has no other abilities he's the prime suspect towards making a kill. It is also possible

impossibear

's BP was hit Night 1.

Now we know that wilky's ability's been tampered with or he is lying, although I see no motive for him to lie the way he did, it is also implied that scum posseses a way to tamper with wilky's result, either by roleblock or by redirection, which is also followed by the next point:
There's also the party starter alchemist gave to Impossibear making them strongwilled. What is the motivation behind Alchemist doing this to a now known Town player?

Alchemist is

Town

wilky is

Town

Fact: punreader drove the lynch towards

projectmatt

, someone that was being townread in general and has great ability as a scum player, this lynch not only gave us a dead scum, it also casted a guilty onto another scum,

MariaR

Point: This would likely be a suicide move on the side of punreader if he were scum.

punreader is

very likely town

Fact: Dunn made an initial vote on

Ner

o,

Maria

sheeped and

Nero

retaliated towards

MariaR

instead of Dunn.
Fact:

MariaR

gave a soft clear on Dunn, but MariaR now is known to be scum, would MariaR go so far as to implicate her own teammate with a clear knowing full well how the neighborhood works and knowing she would potentially be found guily/scum?

Dunnstral is

Maybe town

Fact:

MariaR

tried to hide the presence of davesaz in the neighborhood
This could heavily implicate davesaz

davesaz is

maybe scum

That leaves us with Ankamius, Kokichi, Jungle and YT as leftovers.
Ankamius and Kokichi are both townreads of mine, YT well idk how to read ram's interactions with matt, and ram was pretty scummy, Jungle needs to do something TODAY about his quest and his quest needs to BENEFIT TOWN or he will eat rope tomorrow or somewhere down the line, but i think that can go into the backburner for now.

Anyone has any rebuttals?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Hmm that's a good point actually. Hmmm

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Incidentially, they could've both lied and said who matt visited, sacrificing matt and "clearing" themselves, the fact that MariaR had to tell the truth is possibly heavily implication of a town dave.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Fact: matt flipped scum
Fact: MariaR flipped scum
Fact: MariaR should've known who matt visited, if dave is also scum, he should've known too, hence it's an easy thing to fake, but MariaR had to tell the truth, the question is the "why?"

[Kaede Akamatsu]

[Kokichi, Jungle, Ankamius, YT]
1-2 scum in here, this is autowin no?
I could even add dunn in there and it'd still be autowin.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Town:

Me
davesaz
punreader
alchemist
wilky

Maybe town

Dunnstral
--Own reads--
Kokichi
Ankamius

Leftovers

Jungle
YT

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Gonna wait on Jungle, i'll probably vote YT.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well there IS the fact about the double miller thing usually being 2 town millers by mod meta, this was heavily discussed day 1, but then if dave is scum he's either a true miller or is fake claiming, neither make sense with the flip of the bodyswapper. Im getting more and more confused how early play fits in all this.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That being said Ank, if you're scum you're in the same dilemma where you need to survive on your own until LyLo and disrupting potential correct town blocs forming is one way to do it.
OTOH, if you're town it makes sense for you to not want scum to be in a potential town bloc and wanna cover all your bases.

I think this day's gonna turn out more interesting than I thought.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well there IS the fact about the double miller thing usually being 2 town millers by mod meta, this was heavily discussed day 1, but then if dave is scum he's either a true miller or is fake claiming, neither make sense with the flip of the bodyswapper. Im getting more and more confused how early play fits in all this.

what makes fakeclaim nonsensical?

Why come out of the gate fake claiming miller? there was no guarantee a 2nd miller would exist.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That being said Ank, if you're scum you're in the same dilemma where you need to survive on your own until LyLo and disrupting potential correct town blocs forming is one way to do it.
OTOH, if you're town it makes sense for you to not want scum to be in a potential town bloc and wanna cover all your bases.

I think this day's gonna turn out more interesting than I thought.

the time to disrupt correct town blocs was 2 or 3 days ago

not now

Then what's your path to autowin?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Assume for a moment that davesaz is town, you need to ensure we eventually lynch scum by avoiding lynching town.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Assume for a moment that davesaz is town, you need to ensure we eventually lynch scum by avoiding lynching town.

Or better yet assume that davesaz was lynched and flipped town, we would be on day 6, let's say scum shot me or something to prevent having conf town around.
And proceed from there to answer the question.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Remember we are trying to find 1-2 leftover scum, the best way to do so is by looking at interactions between flipped scum and unflipped players, and unflipped players with flipped town/scum.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I mean we have 3 flipped scum. With that much ammount of known evil, their tracks will be more visible.

Maybe we should try #ColoredVoteCounts #VCA

[Kaede Akamatsu]

can you rephrase this? I don't understand what you're asking me

Think of it this way.
Show me your path to victory and why with a lynch list of people that will without a shadow of a doubt will end up with a town win before LyLo from your Point of View, by assuming you lynched dave and he flipped town and someone that's known town was shot (me).
For every mistake we make, one townie will die too, we need a path that ensures that we have enough townies to survive before our lynch list runs out of suspects, and with decent reasons too.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Isnt it lategame by now?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Regardless there's at least 2 people I would lynch before I lynch you.
The player that's a good scum planner is punreader, matt's just a good scum player, or that's what I remember was mentioned anyway.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

(strongman could have been used on rc night 2

Aknowledging this does imply that dave does not hold a pseudo-guilty over his head.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

huh?

If MariaR strongmaned ouroboros then impossibear had to have been shot twice as I said yesterday, which means if dave's scum he didnt even make the kill N1 and it hit Impossibear's 1-shot BP.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

thsat doesn't mean there wasn't a pseudo guilty, it means that it wasn't guilty after all

Same thing. it's called Pseudo Guilty because a scum night kill dissapeared when he was blocked but there was another possibility.
If the strongman wasnt used on Impossibear N3, then what remains is that Impossibear was shot twice, which explains the missing night kill which makes said pseudo guilty dissapear.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

While we're here.

Ventriloquist, Second-Gen Synth (

Institute Factional Ability Swapper

), was terminated via mob lynching Day 1.

Spoiler: Role PM

Second-Gen Synth

Welcome to Fallout Mafia - Commonwealth Edition!

You are

Second-Gen Synth (

Institute Factional Ability Swapper

)

.

A common Institute mook.

---

Abilities:

• Bodyswap:
  At any point of the game, you may switch your role with your factional members by PMing the mod.

---

Win Condition

• Take control of half of the alive players, or when it can not be prevented.

This was a pet theory of mine.
I couldn't help but wonder.

What if "Second-Generation Synth" isn't the name of the role, but the number of times a swap has occurred? That being, the first-generation Synth would be the original holder of the role; second-generation synth would be the second holder of the role; third generation synth would be the third holder, and so on.

If this were the case, that would indicate precisely one switch took place, and may indicate that there was a pun player who was pressured, forcing the switch. As I never quite finished my D1 readthrough, I wouldn't be able to point any fingers and even if I had read the content there's no guarantee it wasn't simply Nero or MariaR.

Not a bad theory, I also had some theories as to why matt would have "Bodyswapped" as an ability but it seemed to be more flavor related than anything. This could imply matt could be the original holder and swapped with Vent?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Maybe im looking too much into it tho, since bodyswapped ability was "Your flavor is safe to claim as is" so... idk.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

it's hard to ignore a big pile of quoted vote counts outside of spoiler tags.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

there's an easier solution.
if he's town his hood should yield correct tracks now with MariaR gone, no?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh i see

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I guess MariaR trying to out the no visit, hence asking OTM if they could be roleblocked was to prepare a 1v1 with dave
These actions make less and less sense between scum partners, and MariaR didnt even realize that she was already conf scum.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Did RMOJ get lost Jungling or something.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

FYI if it becomes relevant N1 my replacement apparently was affected by radiation and submitted no action.

That will become relevant when I flip. That’s all I plan on claiming and I think if anyone has milk I will be your friend forever. Milk make people strong. Mark hopes people find milk of human kindness soon.

Never mind the theory about the block; just seen this post.

He was lying about that, the mod forgot to tell him and so he made up the radiation thing, he blocked dave.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

The working theory which has never been seriously questioned is that scum shot Impossibear N1 and ran into their 1-shot BP.

this should ultimately be true as long as MariaR didnt shoot Impossibear using her strongman, it is widely known that Ouroboros was the scum kill on N2, since Impossibear was shot on N3, then only 2 possibilities remain. MariaR shot them with her Strongman, or scum shot them N1, and again on N3.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: Alchemist21

?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So who do we lynch

I'm debating between Jungle, YT, Ankamius and you.
Jungle will be off this list if they come up with a quest that not only ultimately is not "hidden", but also it's result makes sense to use on someone that's known to be town. If the quest is not some uber garbage thing, then we will proceed to do the quest, if nothing comes out of it, we will lynch them with all our mighty force tomorrow, if again, the quest is something like "sorry but i dont know the requirements" like yesterday, they will be lynched today.

YT would ultimately be my go to scum candidate today atm.

Ankamius and you less so since you both have been my townreads, but everyone else is somewhat cleared in some way or form aside from the previous 2.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Stop trying to lead, there's a reason you're alive on day 5 when you revealed day 1, Alchemist is scum

I'm pretty sure the existance of a tracker and vig and super roleblocker are more dangerous to scum than my role.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

The only exception is N1, when there was no info other than my ICness, the millers and the hider.
N2, MariaR was in Ouroboros neighborhood and knew his role.
N3, Impossibear was shot, it was obvious they were vig and never being lynched at that point, it's possible they role copped them to find out they were 1-shot BP and not full BP.
N4, OTM another roadblock in scum's way was shot, they were a strong roleblocker and with the number of scum diminishing they had to take them out sooner than later.

Now did you read my argument towards a town alchemist? Do you have a counterargument or are you just going to vote and tell me to eff off and not lead coz im "obviously" wrong.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyways as an IC you know that im not scum trying to mislead you with my conclusions, Im open to all ideas, but if you just vote and dont explain why my argument is wrong then it's kinda hard for me to be able to come to correct conclusions, Ankamius tried to tell me theories about why dave could potentially still be scum, in the end I think they were a bit farfetched, is it possible they are right? entirely, but it's hard to believe them at a time like this.

Arguing that since im alive im wrong is entirely incorrect tho, unless you have a reason to believe i should've been shot instead of Ouroboros with their role known, Impossibear the vig, or OTM the strong roleblocker.