Minuet's Trio [Game Over]

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm starting off this game with actual content. Anyone trying to swerve it to RVS is scum. If you have anything you need to claim you do it now

Oh, really?

pseudovote: Kokichi

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Also hi Wisdom, long time no see.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

The grapes announcement isn't something that needs to be debated on nor should it be.

Kaede

light townread for post 8 and 9.

Human

can be town for 7, While the post itself is very bland stating obvious facts any mafia player should know I like the tone and approach that makes it feel towny to me.

What was townie about my #9?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Yeah wisdom keep provoking me, that way i'll learn if i finally have been able to overcome my own emotions.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

..what

You ever played with zmuffin before?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

last time i stopped myself from pushing you you were scum

not happening again

k

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Btw it's the last 2 times, not last time.
Perpetual MyLo and Pokemon.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

i was referring to pokemon
i was townreading you in mylo

Oh really? I thought at some point you thought I was scum but decided to not push me.
Well whatever, it doesnt matter, point of the fact is that you have gotten to the point that you'll see any sort of scummy thing coming from me and you'll probably never stop regardless of whatever else, considering that's what a scum me would do, by appealing to what people want to see in me I can control the flow of reads directed towards me, that's not something I have the luxury of as town, but as town the emotion is more real, which unfortunately im trying to get rid of coz no one wants a repeat of that.

Now whether that actually happens or not, only time will tell, I'll just continue playing like I always do and you will be the judge of what alignment I actually am, and then we will see, if you have truly learned to read me or not.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

btw, i'm a novice reflexive fruit vendor

No, you arent
You are a scum PGO.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Why did you ask about only #9? I think your #9 and overall play is very at ease and natural.

#8 has a psuedo vote which is in fact some sort of content, #9 doesnt have anything of the sort, it is true that im playing at ease and natural tho i think #9 is very easy for me to do as scum. So I was wondering why you mentioned it gave you town vibes.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not automatic; I have to manually trigger it.

Nice fakeclaim

Reveal

What makes you think it's a fake claim?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

not that thats anywhere close to accurate but im anything but awkward here

I actually agree with this.
Seems just standard Wisdom so far.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Pretty sure I've seen Wisdom make that kind of joke before, whether it's something that he does nowadays or not is another thing entirely.
Why do you think that kind of joke would only come from a scum mindset?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

ill lynch in
-------
andriod
human sequencdr
muffinz
kokichi
kaede(????!?????!!?? maybe)

Boring~

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I have a hard time believing that anyone could actually have this sort of thought process and ask that question.

The underline is that, FakeGod has in fact used a role that has been present on several players but effective at different game days for each, hence seeing a D3 IC is not something outside what he would do, hence I asked that question. It is possible that Dunnstral either A) Doesn't know this, B) Is trying to throw shade at mastina or C) Does in fact have something to counter that statement. The question is to verify within which option does this fall.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It seems as though Dunnstral was revealing some sort of Innocent Child role anyways meaning these questions will be largely irrelevant in the context of determining Dunnstral's alignment, but if not they're worth considering.

In which case then the possibility falls within A) or C).
Which will either help us get a clearer view on mastina's motives, or help Dunnstral's views on mastina's fake/claim

[Kaede Akamatsu]

orrrrrrrrrr crazy theory, dunnstral was joking

I do admit that i didnt consider that possibility, the way the post was worded does seem to show animosity towards it, hence i overlooked that possibility.
P-Edit: I concur with Moment's question.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh asking the perp instead of the victim.
Nice.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

this was your reaction to my theorizing

he was either joking or revealing himself

everything you and kaede were saying is moot in either scenario

Disagree.
If he was revealing himself he may have been under the misconception that if he's an IC another one must not exist, hence the point of my post and my prior question. If he's joking then he can just say as much and I will just completely ignore such, in which case, yes, that would be wasted time.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

if he was revealing himself, your question to him was literally pointless

Nope, coz at the very least I can clear up his misconception.
It is entirely possible mastina's fake claiming, being a D1 IC does not counter that given FakeGod's prior games. So at the very least something was brought to light, now, this argument with you IS something i do call pointless, and as such if you continue to be stubborn be my guest and continue to do so and I will proceed to ignore it.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I don't think the discussion over whether or not your question was meaningful or not is within the realm of "alignment indicative" at the moment.

It could be depending on how you look at it.
Discussion my question made you rescind your accusation towards my question, hence it at least served some purpose.
If it's meaningless, then there's other 2 options, either im scum doing busywork with meaningless questions or im a lost lamb that thought found something.

The answer to that is something you need to figure out yourself.

you can do that without asking a pointless question though

I guess you do have a point there, what went through my head when I saw mastina's claim is "oh so FG used different day ICs this time?" since it was followed by Katsuki claiming D5 IC. When I saw Dunn's post I thought he was just throwing shade at mastina then I saw the reveal and that's the question that popped into my head, for the reasons previously established.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

@HS: Well, All I can tell you is that Nos is 100% wrong.
Whether Wisdom agrees with me or not, that's another story.

I have more interest in what x slot thinks about y slot than what x slot thinks about x slot

So you're saying that Nos and Wisdom are more qualified to tell you about my feelings than myself?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That's not even close to what I said, and only gives more credibility to what nosferatu described.

Well Nos was talking about me faking my feelings so... it is pretty close yeah.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

But to put everyone on the same page, my discussion with wisdom is related to me trying to avoid something like this: viewtopic.php?p=9769604#p9769604 repeating again.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I thought he was just throwing shade at mastina

walk me through why you thought this might be the case and what you thought it would say about dunnstral

Because mastina would be unable to clear herself until day 3, a possible scum dunnstral would obviously want to prevent that call to avoid inspecting her or trying to get her lynched or something.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

yeah... either play has really deteriorated since i stopped playing or it seems incredibly unlikely that there would ever be enough support to push a role that's literally going to confirm itself in 2 day phases...

so i don't really buy that you thought he might be scum 'throwing shade' at mastina

i could see you thinking 'easy angle to make it seem like i'm doing something' when thinking like this, though

In that case then why label it as a fake claim, that makes even less sense.
P-Edit: K thanks for clearing that up Dunnstral.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well I guess i've gone in circles because of that, sorry

[Kaede Akamatsu]

human, yes, nos was pretty much right

This is a lie, you know me well enough to know that this isn't true, but thanks, now you have removed any doubt in my mind that you are scum
VOTE: Wisdom

[Kaede Akamatsu]

human, yes, nos was pretty much right

This is a lie, you know me well enough to know that this isn't true, but thanks, now you have removed any doubt in my mind that you are scum
VOTE: Wisdom

Still boring.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

@nosferatu i see
i assumed you had history
regardless u seem to have been correct

161 is pretty garbage
so is 172

brian is feeling town

I have history with Nos, but he's never been a person able to read me correctly.
So you're saying im faking emotion yeah? Well I'm not, but that's a hard thing to prove.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

i just agreed you try to fake your emotional town game when youre scum, eg you overact to me pushing you

Or your push on me got me anxious because of what happened in Perpetual MyLo, truth be told, I already expected it to happen, doesnt make it any less scary than it was 5 years ago.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Now the main question is, who's more likely to overreact to your push on me, town me or scum me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

both

So from this and your previous post what I take it is that you either A) Are scum just pushing me because on DRV3 I stated that I can 100% accurately read you every game and correctly read you as town in that game, or B) You still havent learned to differentiate my fake from my true emotions.
Regardless if what you said is true earlier and you just misunderstood what Ace said, then that means you arent as likely scum as I thought you to be.

To summarize, you dont deny that what transpired is something i'd do as town, you just believe im faking it for the purpose of appearing town, is that correct?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Eh, I meant to write Nos, not Ace.
Dammit why you have to have a completely different name here.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

UNVOTE:
Fine however, there's no chance in hell I can prove emotion in any way.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: hebichan
Potential buddying detected here.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

LMAO

[Kaede Akamatsu]

kokichi pls

This isnt how you reply to stuff. Do you have a post restriction or something? If not you're playing completely different. I've only seen you as town so I have to assume this is just scum you.

If anything, this made me laugh.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Sorry to not live up to your expectations muffin, as you can see it's very hard to find scum when you don't know who's town and who's scum to begin with! Must be very good to be such a god like yourself who is pushing cupcakes on something like "We are never the same alignment" proceed to joke around and then say that im not scumhunting and call that your scumhunting.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh I forgot, there was also calling hebichan the least town of everyone, and then agreeing that I could be scum somewhere down the line.
While I agree that hebichan is pretty low likely town, that was based on her latest post where she votes Wisdom now that I don't have the read I had on Wisdom before, your scumhunting happens in some secret underground organization? coz im not seeing where you're coming to your conclusions.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

now that I don't have the read I had on Wisdom before, I can see the possibility

EBWOP

[Kaede Akamatsu]

the first rule of the secret underground organisation is you don't talk about the secret underground organisation so, unfortunately for you, you will never know

Unfortunate.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Sorry to not live up to your expectations muffin, as you can see it's very hard to find scum when you don't know who's town and who's scum to begin with! Must be very good to be such a god like yourself who is pushing cupcakes on something like "We are never the same alignment" proceed to joke around and then say that im not scumhunting and call that your scumhunting.

Oh I forgot, there was also calling hebichan the least town of everyone, and then agreeing that I could be scum somewhere down the line.
While I agree that hebichan is pretty low likely town, that was based on her latest post where she votes Wisdom now that I don't have the read I had on Wisdom before, your scumhunting happens in some secret underground organization? coz im not seeing where you're coming to your conclusions.

was there a point to your rant about my play here?

No, it was a point on hipocrisy.
I remember you using those exact same methods to accuse me in the past, but I dont remember if you were town on scum on those so im checking my previous games with you to remember.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

*or not on

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Nothing i've done this game has been pointless, I've misunderstood stuff yes, but nothing has been pointless, you're only making it be pointless because apparently you can find humor more easily than me and so figured out that Dunn was making a joke while i didn't. And as far as I know that's the only thing you've called pointless, and I even apologized for it because yes, i do admit it was a waste of time, but I didn't know that at the time.

Regardless that doesnt change the fact that you've accused me of this before in another game

with that exact same wording

, so there's 2 possibilities i can see here: Either A) You're scum hoping for an easy mislynch or B) You STILL havent realized my playstyle or the way I ask questions or the fact that I misunderstand things, etc.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Found one, but the wording is not the exact same so maybe im thinking of another game, in said game you were town.
Suffice to say, the fact, that game exists, and the fact you're accusing me of similar stuff in this game, implies you probably have high expectations of me and/or havent learned about the way I play, I mean, it's been years since that game, I guess logic would say that I should have improved since then, but nevertheless, the truth of the matter is that maybe you're probably town regardless, from remembering your scum games, I dont recall you pushing me on something like that. So it makes sense for a town you to make those moves.
For the record this is the game I was talking about: viewtopic.php?p=6072898#p6072898

On a similar related note: I'm just going to state that I play the way I play because it's the way I like playing, if you dont like it then too bad, come and lynch me as much as you want, I wont change just for you. But if you dont like the way I play the easiest solution is that after this game you dont play with me anymore, if you're actually scum this game, then that point is moot regardless, but I'm done running away.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

1) FakeGod has in fact used a role that has been present on several players but effective at different game days for each, 2) hence seeing a D3 IC is not something outside what he would do

1) Yes
2) I don't know if we're referencing the same game as in 1, as the one I'm thinking of didn't have a D3 IC, so I'm not understanding the conclusion you're drawing here

No i'm just saying that if in this case the role to be in different days is IC then a D3 IC isnt out of the question, 2 ppl have claimed different days IC after all.
So it kind of reminds me of at least one other game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I kinda want to see how much suspicion I can garner on my slot prior to D3 tho.

Claiming D3 IC isnt a good way of garneing suspicion lol xD
I doubt anyone would suspect you now.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kokichi's the only read I have which is actually south of null right now

On a scale of 0-10 how much confidence you have in this.
You'd be one of the few people I'd trust to read Kokichi correctly.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

and Day 5 Innocent Child was my fakeclaim in that game.

I actually forgot about that xD
I guess muffin's real role and his fake claim made the most impact on me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well, I stand corrected.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I actually like this new muffin avatar, you should keep that.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Hebi defending himself of buddying in 278 when nobody even mentioned it

Actually I did.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

The hebi vote in 278 gives me bad feelings because it's riding off a bunch of other people talking about Mastina

Guess it's not just me then.
More importantly commenting on the claim after everyone was doubting it considering it was made way earlier.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Do you mean to imply that I have to slow down.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Tbh I also have a hard time believing you have a meta scumread on Wisdom atm. I only scumread him due to a misunderstanding back then, and I consider myself capable of reading Wisdom and I don't even think I can have a decent read on him on Day 1 unless he does one of his towntells on Day 1 like he did in DRV3.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

he's being unusually quiet here.

Pretty sure wisdom scum is anything but quiet, he may be quiet in some scum games, is not alignment indicative.
Also I echo muffin's questions.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I just realized i misread hebi's post
Ignore the thing about wisdom.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Good ol' muffinman, how i missed you.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

i just realised, things are going to get quite awkward when we try to discuss how to use our role(s) tonight

didn't think that one through

Easy! just neighborize each other!

[Kaede Akamatsu]

this is getting boring, it needs more excitement
VOTE: Nancy

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well I didnt expect to see this much quicksand

kaede did something change your mind about hebi?

Not exactly, but I kinda felt bad for her. I remember something about she being more useful in later days, i think someone mentioned it in here or something too. And I started questioning myself whether im right or wrong, so I decided to give her at least another day.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Lynchbait is not the kind of word i'd associate with Wisdom.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I do admit the quicksand gave me uneasy feelings, but I wanted to hear from you and figured the pressure would help.
Now, there was talk about people wanting to vote you on the page prior, on top of muffin asking Brian to vote you if someone else did.

With all this in mind why is my vote unlikely to be opportunistic?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Maybe i should've waited before mentioning that, ugh

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyway I think for a townie the natural reaction to getting suddenly wagoned like that is to assume there's scum on their wagon and you're already working on finding said scum, so maybe im wrong here.
UNVOTE:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I think nancy is bleeding town and that muffin is being nitpicky.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Katsuki, Moment, Purr, Hebi, Gingie

No, Maybe, No, No and No

[Kaede Akamatsu]

What about Purr objecting to my wagon?

I had completely forgotten about that.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Might as well sheep that before I go to sleep.
VOTE: Katsuki
Wisdom I suggest you wait until day 2 before you try to sort Hebi, I dunno if it's the same thing, but I have an issue where I tend to see what Hebi does as scummy, hence why I usually need help from LLD to read her when they are in the same game.
Not sure why Kokichi's so sure she's town tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I think that people are snap townreading your response to being pushed and, given time where you're not being pushed, either I will be proven wrong myself or those people who were townreading you will realize that it was simply your reaction to being pushed that made you look town.

????
Afaik ppl make more AI posting when being pushed or in danger of being lynched, so it makes sense that her reactions would be townread.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

meta seems pretty pointless to me without a scum game for reference

I actually think this is very true.

But the one bringing up the meta argument is Wisdom, I townread her without the use of meta because her reaction to being pushed indicated town mindset.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

i dunno where to vote zzz
every wagon has people i both do and dont like on it

Simple, dont rely on other people to figure out where to vote, just vote where you think you'll most likely land a scumflip.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You're also missing someone.

psst
is on the bottom right....
but dont tell anyone i told you

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede, vote moment with us?

Sure.
VOTE: moment

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If we dont lynch for 5 real time days I get an ability

I hope you werent lying

[Kaede Akamatsu]

huh.

talk to me, kaede, do you agree with my reads?

I didnt want to vote moment before because of his first interaction with me, but the more I checked his posting afterwards, specially his interactions with nancy the more I started wondering why I gave a fuck about it.
As far as I recall I don't want to lynch nancy coz she's town nor hebi coz I wanna give her a chance to show me she's town D2, but that's about as much i'll give hebi, tbh. Kokichi looks town so far, andriod looks town, Katsuki looks like scum, Nos looks like scum, purr is on the upper range of null, and Human Sequencer i dunno how to read, I spectated the touhou game and he was scum there and I thought he was town all the time, I think i played with him like once when he was in hydra with Ali, anyway.

If I missed someone, then wait about 4 hours im in kind of a hurry right now, coz it's votes for new president.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I came back earlier than expected, let's see:

how the fuck did you come to the conclusion that that garbage performance in touhou mafia was town hs
regardless of whether or not you have meta

scum hs is the easiest sort there is, if it looks like I'm hating the game and everybody in it especially myself I'm scum
I'm spreading this so it forces me to make my scumgame less abhorrent even though I know it won't happen

Because of the way I read people, ftr I didnt scumread brian that game either, so I guess it was a good thing I never joined.

kaede

when you get back please elaborate on your nos read

He's been spottily present.

Nos looks like scum

if you think this how come you voted moment?

What does that have anything to do with me voting moment?
...
I actually had a reply for this, but since last I saw you were scumreading me with moment im just gonna hold onto it for the time being.

And so finally continuing from where I left off:

I didnt want to vote moment before because of his first interaction with me, but the more I checked his posting afterwards, specially his interactions with nancy the more I started wondering why I gave a fuck about it.
As far as I recall I don't want to lynch nancy coz she's town nor hebi coz I wanna give her a chance to show me she's town D2, but that's about as much i'll give hebi, tbh. Kokichi looks town so far, andriod looks town, Katsuki looks like scum, Nos looks like scum, purr is on the upper range of null, and Human Sequencer i dunno how to read, I spectated the touhou game and he was scum there and I thought he was town all the time, I think i played with him like once when he was in hydra with Ali, anyway.

muffin's someone that I dont recall ever being able to sort. Gin and mastina are kind of a non presence, specially mastina, i admit i've barely read anything gin has said. Dunn looks towny, Brian is muffin's hydra partner so copy/paste what I said about muffin. grapes has vanished off the earth, dunno why scum has that role they do tho.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

@Mod:

It it possible to get a prod on mastina, grapes and hebichan?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Nos is pushing moment

So?

If you think nos might be scum you wouldnt vote moment so easily

Well this is obviously wrong, considering i did vote moment and i did so easily.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

like, explain to me what youre thinking

is nos bussing?

1) they are independent reads.
2) I actually forgot Nos was pushing moment until you mentioned it but decided to continue doing voting there.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

fine

why are you scumreading nos? have you played with him before?

I explained that here:

kaede

when you get back please elaborate on your nos read

He's been spottily present.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

And yes, I have experience with Nos

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Cases are scummy

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Can we talk about how Hebichan said they would catch up then 2 hours later is replaced out THEN the mod prods people after

Like,Hebichan must have requested replacement - why did she lie to us and say she was catching up?

Yeah and Ankamius' Wisdom vote is like what.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

*popcorn*

What's wrong with a Wisdom vote, Kaede?

I find it out of character for you.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

*popcorn*

What's wrong with a Wisdom vote, Kaede?

I find it out of character for you.

Why is it out of character?

You replaced in, you said you'd read and then you suddenly vote Wisdom, no thoughts on anything else, and I don't recall you ever being that blood thirsty as soon as you entered a game, just lazy or vanishing into doing nothing.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

The wagon composition on her has a few players who could be scum, but most of them aren't likely to be scum, especially not with each other. So, not the best place to wagon but also not the best place to "lynch the people on this wagon".

You lost me

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Dunnstral/Wisdom/hebichan/Kaede Akamatsu/Ginngie/Nancy Drew/Katsuki; all of them are townreads.

Can you explain Gingie? ngl you're one of the people i trust to read gingie correctly, although that comes with the caveat that i can trust you to be town.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VoteCount 1.8

Wisdom [2] - Kokichi Oma, Katsuki
Katsuki [3] - zMuffinMan, Dunnstral, andriod18
Ankamius [2] - grapes, Brian Skies
Kokichi Oma [1] - mastina
mastina [1] - Ankamius
Moment [5] - Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Wisdom, Kaede Akamatsu
Ginngie [1] - Moment
Kaede Akamatsu [1] - Human Sequencer

Not Voting [1]

- Ginngie

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-06-20 15:00:00)

To:

VoteCount 1.9

Wisdom [4] - Kokichi Oma, Katsuki, Ankamius, Dunnstral
Katsuki [2] - zMuffinMan, andriod18
Ankamius [2] - grapes, Brian Skies
Kokichi Oma [1] - mastina
Moment [5] - Nosferatu, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet, Wisdom, Kaede Akamatsu
Ginngie [1] - Moment
Kaede Akamatsu [1] - Human Sequencer

Not Voting [1]

- Ginngie

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-06-20 15:00:00)

Ok I dont want to lynch Wisdom today.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ok I dont want to lynch Wisdom today.

Does two votes scare you that much, or is there something more I'm missing?

Just obvious counterwagon to scum. Oh wait that's you.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm just going to put this here and see what happens.

VOTE: Nosferatu

This is very exciting to say the least

[Kaede Akamatsu]

UNVOTE:
I changed my mind, I no longer want moment dead.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I think something like this, atm.

Towny:

andriod18
Nancy Drew 39
Dunnstral
Kokichi Oma

Maybe Town:

Ankamius
mastina
grapes
Purrcocet
Moment

muffin:

zMuffinMan
Brian Skies

Maybe Scum:

Nosferatu
Katsuki

Leftovers:

Wisdom
Ginngie
Human Sequencer

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Basically at first I got excited coz my SRs were voting each other, then I realized that moment would've it very easy to switch to Wisdom if he wanted to, which is his CW, which makes me think he's not playing for survival so it's more likely i was just flat out wrong on him.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Here's my current dilemma.
Do i trust mastina that Kokichi Oma is scum?
Do i trust Kokichi Oma that Wisdom is scum?
Do i just go for nos?

Like Wisdom's someone i cant read D1 outside of extreme circumstances, Kokichi keeps saying that he's scum, but mastina says Kokichi's scum, and i think both of Kokichi and mastina are town, and all this is making my head spin.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

i dunno where to vote zzz
every wagon has people i both do and dont like on it

Simple, dont rely on other people to figure out where to vote, just vote where you think you'll most likely land a scumflip.

Ahahaha! way to give my words back at me xD

But no if i had someone i was very convinced it'd flip scum i'd be voting them, plus there's no time for vanity wagons at this point.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

kaede why are you sounding fake this game

I dunno why would I sound fake to begin with, I've shared everything that crosses my mind, so you tell me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

your approach entirely doesn't seem natural and the way it's progressing is jagged like it's being filtered or something

usually you feel more genuine when you post

????

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So glad people are claiming for no reason </sarcasm>

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Also, as a bonus, I think they're both hard-buddying Kaede.

This interests me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Hi wisdom if you're still on post 750, this is going to be quite the rollercoaster.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kats and Moment both scumclaimed and we can't decide which one to lynch first.

how did katsuki scumclaim

Obviously a joke.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Im starting to wonder if Nancy is more naive than me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You cant be serious....

P-Edit: response was to #992

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Im starting to wonder if Nancy is more naive than me.

What do you think I’m naive about?

Literally everything.
You're taking everything you see at face value, for example, you mentioned Dunn hard townreading me when he was doing nothing of the sort, same with what you're commenting about the "necro crew" in addition assuming that because someone puts "Eddie Cane" in the signature it's because that's their other account, Do you think if Gingie was Eddie Cane he'd be asking you who's the "necro crew"?
In addition you took muffin's joke seriously and decided to claim for no reason.
Same with Brian's joke that Wisdom quoted.

All this points to me is that you're pretty naive. And that's saying something considering i think of myself as being very naive and trusting.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Now the main question is.
Is it really naive, or is it an act.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

The other thing bothering me, is that assuming that you're really naive and you really took that post muffin made seriously, andriod had even less of a reason to make that reaction.
Sure fine, they may have thought it was role madness, but why not keep that to themselves? what's the point?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

scum are not obligated to vote their counterwagon

they arent, but does it make sense for them not to do so when they have the opportunity?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Consider yourself back in my scumreads

Oh gee, whatever shall I do.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm just gonna stay here facepalming to myself while mumbling "This isn't real" over and over.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Let's just say Brian gave me a wake up slap so hard that i did indeed wake up.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Although he promised an exciting explanation, im looking forward to it.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Was I wrong to townread you?

You were wrong to toy with my feelings, and now you'll learn that no one gets away with buddying me
VOTE: Nancy

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Looks like I stirred up scum huh. Fine by me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So first I get hard buddied and then im the one being voted.
Nice to know

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Just gonna say, if town is really this derp to lynch me, do NOT expect me to claim so feel free to hammer me without waiting for a claim, but then the ball's on you, I do blame myself for letting myself be hard buddied hard, but that's a weakness I have to work on anyway.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Buddied by who

Nancy

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Nancy I thought could've been hard-buddying you based on her flyby townread on Dunn for him townreading you. After looking at it again, I think Nancy's townread on Dunn was more nuanced than just going 'I think Kaede is town and because Dunn thinks she's town too, she must be town.' Even if it isn't more nuanced than that, right now I only think Andriod is the one that I truly think is hard-buddying you.

It is possible yes, I was gonna wait on you to tell me your explanation, I basically decided to ignore the emotion and look at her posts in depth, I was hoping for someone to tell me if I was right or wrong while I was going through her naivety because it looked odd to me, then she suddenly starts AtEing about "being wrong to townread me" and I get fed up and just vote her.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ok I dropped my kaede TR for now. Kaede what do you have to say in terms of those posts being similar?

Why are you asking ME.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Because you're the one who made the posts?

Yes, but in that game i was scum, so I dont see the point.
The posts text is similar, but you can obviously tell the 2nd one is devoid of emotion.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

The posts text is similar, but you can obviously tell the 2nd one is devoid of emotion.

thats bs, it was ate and it worked

well that was your fault for thinking a post devoid of emotion have any.
If you want scum posting from me that is not devoid of emotion you'd just have to look at Perpetual Mylo, more specifically my interactions Day 3 (or was it 4?), and the only way those ever happen is because im drawing the emotion from somewhere else.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

ok
to that, ill just say town have bs townreads too and im not interested
Kaede is an emotional player and many players would fall in the trap of default townreading her
Thats what the case with android is, he just doesn't know any better

Well at least you know me well enough to know that a scummate wouldnt fabricate a TR on me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I don't see why not but I don't think android is your buddy anyway

Easy, one of the things I always do as scum is ENCOURAGE my teammates to bus me, at their earliest convenience, coz when i roll scum all I want is to out ASAP.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Wait fellas

does this make sense

I can see one goon but it's clear main characters are pr roles and this mech is to help scum it's a balance yes it can land on scum but still overall it helps them. Set up spec is not the best on day 1 though.

into this

Wait this isn't rolemad?

And here i was thinking that andriod just claimed PR for no reason, this is interesting yeah.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Andriod why didnt you keep to yourself your thoughts of "wait isnt this rolemad?" what was the point of stating it?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede why should I tr you?

Because im town, i don't have anything to say to that because I never know why people TR me when im town nor why ppl TR me when im scum.
Im gonna take a 24 hour break from this game, I can't think straight anymore at this point.
If i'm lynched and Wisdom's town tho, Im gonna have fun the next time we play together... lots of fun, I mean townreading scum me twice and getting town me lynched, that's gonna say lots about his ability to read me correctly. If he's scum this is irrelevant but oh well.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ok I know i said i'd take a 24 hour break, but this seems necessary. Don't want more "if it's who i think it is" or anything like that.
I'm an alt of Sakura Hana (or rather the new main), I'm not trying to hide my meta, use it to your hearts content

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well seems like my lynch is a foregone conclusion already.
Can I even get 4 votes before deadline? there's less than 48 hours.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

me neither.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You know, if anything im excited to see how the people that are voting me today will explain my town flip tomorrow.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Specially Wisdom since i know scum him will probably blame me for getting lynched and then call anyone that townread me having TMI.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You call that AtE?
lol
No wonder you cant read me if you cant differentiate AtE from normal posts.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I've already resigned to being lynched just giving people directions on how to read you because I wont be here to do it.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

For future reference

There wont be any need for that

[Kaede Akamatsu]

And see you're already calling it my fault.
How predictible.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh and another thing before I forget and get hammered before I mention it

@Wisdom:

Neither you, nor anyone else, has any right whatsoever of telling me how I should play the game.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

"Try not lockvoting into obvtown?"
Sorry last time i didnt lockvote obvtown that obvtown turned to be scum (Regfan), they were buddying me hard.
I may be right, I may be wrong, but if anything something

you

, should know is that scum me would be more apeasy and would have never taken then approach i did with Nancy.
But since it gets in the way of your ego, you want to put the blame on me.

So EXCUSE ME, but I dont care if you scumread me, i dont care if you townread me, I only care for finding scum, even if I have to be paranoid of this entire playerlist to do so.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ah, certainly feels more calming finally getiting that out of my chest.

I'm done feel free to finish me off whenever you want.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

We can lynch now

I assumed this was related to said ability.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm surprised I haven't been hammered yet.
I guess in exchange for not flashlynching me I'll at least let you know what you're getting rid of.

Hard Claim: Leviathan Vanilla Cop

Ok, now feel free to go on.

Btw i have SRs on Wisdom and Nancy if anyone cares. And a very hard TR on muffin, but im too lazy to elaborate on them because im getting lynched and people never listen to the dead, so I rather spend my time doing something more productive be it in real life or somewhere else.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

so can't your role clear Nancy

Can it?
I'm not sure how it would clear her, muffin said that there "might" be no goons. But if that's more than just "might" then I guess.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Vanilla gets Vanilla result on Mafia Goon, and VTs, anything other than that gets Not Vanilla

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Yeah, my role PM also says so.
I thought that was common knowledge.
Guess not.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It's only an inno if you believe 100% there are no goons.
Well guess I could check her tonight, but im an outed PR I don't have much hope and I was getting lynched anyway.
VOTE: Wisdom

[Kaede Akamatsu]

you should unvote wisdom before you become L-0

And be becoming L-0 is supposed to be a problem?
It's only a problem for whoever's town this game, for me it just means im freed from this hellhole.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

why is wisdom scum

#1212

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I mean I was originally planning on not even saying anything because this lynch is BS and I was just going to hope scum would win, and quit the site after being lynched.
And now that I decided otherwise, you're getting demanding.

You know what, fuck that, figure it out yourself

P-Edit: Ginggie that was the idea, but im outed, all that can happen is I get roleblocked, I get vanillized or I get NK'd, and 2 of those dont make me very useful now do they. That's part of why I didn't want to claim in the first place. The other was to "get back at town for MLing me".

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If that's gonna be my fate I want you guys to decide RIGHT NOW, you either lynch me right now and I die with my true role, or scum messes around with me in one way or another but you dont lynch me for the rest of the game, because im pretty sure someone down the line is gonna say that im faking it or some such.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I mean I was originally planning on not even saying anything because this lynch is BS and I was just going to hope scum would win, and quit the site after being lynched.
And now that I decided otherwise, you're getting demanding.

You know what, fuck that, figure it out yourself

asking to explain ur reads is demanding LMFAO

The literal post has showed that Wisdom doesnt care about my alignment at all, he only cares if i do what he says.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Anyway, I have given you all the info that I have and/or am willing to share, I stg if I survive today and then get vanillized tonight and I get pushed again down the line, I'm never claiming again even if im a cop or an IC.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

If that's gonna be my fate I want you guys to decide RIGHT NOW, you either lynch me right now and I die with my true role, or scum messes around with me in one way or another but you dont lynch me for the rest of the game, because im pretty sure someone down the line is gonna say that im faking it or some such.

So i'll just quote this again, so people read it, I've already stated im fine dying today, I've already done all I can to help find scum, there's literally not much else to do here should i die today.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

a very hard TR on muffin[/i]

I feel like you deserve death for this alone tbh.

Then give me death.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

That reminds me, this mod generally only prods on request, hence why i requested prods earlier.
I was kinda hoping a prod wouldnt be needed for mastina to come here considering:

moment/dunn/kaede

kaede is most likely scum, yes
at least we have one read we agree on

Funnily enough, that would just so happen to be my strongest townread!

Kaede is bleeding town so hard this game Kaede's more of an innocent child than an actual innocent child is.

And I am/was kinda pretty close to being lynched.
I figured she'd at least come to defend such a hard TR without the need of a prod, guess that how much she cares.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

You could try and push for a Wisdom lynch you know. Only reason why I'm not pushing it hard is because I'm afraid of being the scum NK.

I wish, if only because I don't even know what angle would show people to the light, I could just go ahead and say "HEY GUYS I'VE READ WISDOM CORRECTLY 100% OF THE TIME ACROSS THE LAST 2 YEARS" and people would still not be convinced. My main issue is that while I can see that kind of stuff like it's nothing, articulating it into words or explaining my reasoning is 10000% harder.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm not that kind of player.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Your current methods don't seem to be working.

It's not an issue of the methods... it's an issue that I can sorta get gut pings on things, but I have a hard time explaining it, I try to explain it the best I can, but I end up coming short, and I dont like faking guilties, that's for cowards.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I dont like faking guilties, that's for cowards.

Addenum:
This doesnt include fake guilties for reaction tests, those are totally fine as long as they are retracted later.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

As a bonus, Wisdom has denied every instance of someone claiming to know his meta except for this:

Specially Wisdom since i know scum him will probably blame me for getting lynched and then call anyone that townread me having TMI.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

What about game winning fake guilties?

Don't like them either.
You know RC? My first game with them they faked a cop guilty on actual scum, scum ended up NKing them but town won the game (i was town that game, but dont remember if i died or rep'd out). Sure they wont the game, but I dont think that's ethical, if you fake a guilty is because you're too low on ethics to get your target lynched in some way of form, I refuse to rely on such dirty tactics, specially because, even tho I can fake confidence, Im always scared due to a bit of doubt in my mind, and if im wrong I could single handlely cause a town loss due to misjudgement and arrogance. The end result, doesnt justify the means.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede can fake everything shes doing

Btw, i dont remember if I mentioned this in another game or something.
But, but BUT.
This is exactly the sort of thing I hate.
"She can fake everything".
So basically you're admitting to not being able to read me if you're town here, it's a catch all.
And it's what people have ALWAYS used since the beginning of time to push lynches on me.
And is why I hate it.
HATE IT WITH A PASSION.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Oh ok that makes things easy then
VOTE: grapes

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I was gonna go and check if other games had instances of multiple vanilla cops (and if they were all town or not). Coz I dont really remember although I remember thinking that the Vanilla Cop was necessary to find whether vanillized claims were true or not, it's been like so long ago that i was in that game tho. Maybe muffin, kats or Brian remember?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Wait a second grapes, wasnt your ability to start up the voting?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I was gonna go and check if other games had instances of multiple vanilla cops (and if they were all town or not). Coz I dont really remember although I remember thinking that the Vanilla Cop was necessary to find whether vanillized claims were true or not, it's been like so long ago that i was in that game tho. Maybe muffin, kats or Brian remember?

Ok so i actually went and looked myself, i seem to remember even less than i thought it did, it seemed to have a role cop, not a vanilla cop.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

So basically you're admitting to not being able to read me if you're town here, it's a catch all.

yes, do you have a point here? I admitted i cant read you at the end of our last game

...
...
K

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Vanilla cop points to existence of mafia goon

Or vanillizer.
There was one in Nightingale's Tale.
Which is a reason I wanted to die without outing my role, imagine this:
A lot of people scumread me.
I live because of my claim.
Scum vanillizes me, so I dont get a result and I cant use my role anymore.
Town calls BS on that and lynches me.

We not only wasted a day, my role got nothing useful out of it, and I get lynched anyway for the same flip that could've been gotten today.

Hence my statement from before.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Less than 24 hours BTW

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Nightengale we had a bunch of double voters

Also Nightingale's Double Voters were day specific. Like our current IC claims.
UNVOTE:

[Kaede Akamatsu]

VOTE: nos
Will trust muffin's read because i dont trust my own read on someone defending me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It wont be a vanity wagon if I vote it too
VOTE: ginggie
(and hopefully others)

[Kaede Akamatsu]

tf is leviathan btw

My flavor name.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Ank was the least person i was expecting to SR me this game after the claim.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Well this might get me lynched faster but.

Ankamius are you REALLY sure you wanna keep pushing this angle, but you and me know that town you would not SR a town me specially after that claim, and I'm pretty sure you know what's coming if I get lynched here D1, since I said it in the past.
And as an icing to the cake if i find out by any means that you were actually town and pushed me here, you'll find very quickly that i do NOT appreciate friends that do this to me.

Call it Appeal to Fear or whatever, but I'm done putting up with this BS from "friends" that "have meta" and "know how to read me".

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Your emotion doesn't feel like it's coming from a natural perspective that you should be having with how things are progressing
Wisdom's push on you followed by the really awkward backing off after the pressure started easing off you (and by proxy, him, since the wagon on you was what replaced the wagon on him) doesn't look town
Your posts about and to him are the most fake-sounding posts out of everything you've posted so far
Wisdom isn't a shit scum player, I fully believe it's well within his scumrange to try to put you in a better spot to coast through the game while he carries by pushing other lynches ad nauseum

Ok fine.
THIS is what I was looking for.
I am NOT scum, and if you do lynch me here I wont take measures against you, however, I hope if i do get lynched here, you reflect on how you actually look at my games in the future (unlike Wisdom who defaulted to just flat out not even try to read me).

Literally this entire list of things is that you dont believe my emotions feel natural, I don't even know what you're supposing I do here, if you expect me to be some godly town that solves the game outta nowhere or something, I do admit, part of my interaction with Wisdom is to get him off my back, because you saw how that blitz game from years ago went, you want that to ever repeat? I just want to be able to interact and form reads at ease without having to be worried about what scum may be using to jump at me, including but not limited to a Wisdom reading me wrong (Yes you have no idea, how much he scares me as either alignment I may have, and in hindsight I shouldn't have in'd to a game with him in, but I never expected something like THIS, however regardless of whether i quit MS or come back later, im never playing with him again, regardless of his actual alignment, this game taught me that much).

[Kaede Akamatsu]

if you're town this game, then I'm probably just going to give up on reading you directly, tbh

Sigh, yet another one.
I'm really tired of people being unable to read me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It's been established that the role pm for vanilla cop talks about goon showing up as vanilla

It looks like andriod is thinking there's a vanilla mafia, but also thinks the game is role madness

That doesnt make any sense coz it also talks about VTs.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

if you're town this game, then I'm probably just going to give up on reading you directly, tbh

Sigh, yet another one.
I'm really tired of people being unable to read me.

that doesn't actually mean 'unable to read'

it just means 'unable to read

directly

'

You mean like Wisdom's doing?
That literally gives scum free reign of controlling people's read on me.

I'm sorry but no, if you're not gonna try to actually read me and give up i rather just quit mafia than get more headaches.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

btw Ankamius I hope you have a reply for 1464, If i dont get a reply by the time i die in this game, I'm just going to assume you're gonna stick to your word, and since i already know what im going to flip, im sorry but im gonna have to avoid you because you'll also gonna become a pain in the mud to play with.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Do you think I could be scum trying to mislynch you?

Yes

[Kaede Akamatsu]

you aren't understanding what I'm talking about

reading directly means I'm reading you based on what and how you're posting
reading indirectly means I'm just fitting a read on you based on the gamestate and my other reads

If that's what you mean then im understanding perfectly:

That literally gives scum free reign of controlling people's read on me.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

that's not as big a problem as you think it is, since that's exactly the kind of thing I look for when I try to read the gamestate

Do you think I want to risk it?
Specially after what happened for "risking it" this game and having this end up in the way it is?

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Like remove your SR of me for a second an assume I'm town.

Why, after this experiment, would i be willing to try playing again, just so this could happen again.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm also not entirely sure what his stance regarding the Sakura wagon up to that point

Something like this:

only 2 because I hammer

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I don't care about that.

That's a Ginngie thing and not an alignment indicative thing.

Oh ok i didnt know about that.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Speaking of which im gonna go over to muffin's reads list and check why he TRs kokichi.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Word choice that are really hard to fake over a body of work, plus the 5-day thing huh.

Man this takes me back to badass women lol xD
Where TTH scumread me based on me typing "tbh" a lot.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It feels extremely fucjing faked is the point

Read my reply to ank earlier and see if that makes sense to you.
If not then I guess my flip will surprise you.

But dont worry about bothering to learn to read me, I learned my lesson, once im dead here im gone.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Kaede giving up and then coming back and giving up again doesn't feel like town genuinely giving up at all

Well why would i continue giving up and saying "im gonna be lynched" if i start losing votes.

I even said when i claimed that it was because i wasnt flashlynched and so "people knew what they were lynching", what makes you think that doesn't sound like someone giving up?
Up until that point I was convinced I was getting lynched and was doing my best to leave town in a good position regarding my reads before that happened.

Or is your idea of giving up that i'd just self vote and leave the thread.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I'm not going to give you the fuel to keep shitting up the thread, kaede

Oh! so now I am shitting up the thread.
And not the people spam posting "LYNCH KAEDE SHE'S SCUM, LYNCH KAEDE SHE'S SCUM" a couple pages ago.
Riiiiiight.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

It's been established that the role pm for vanilla cop talks about goon showing up as vanilla

It looks like andriod is thinking there's a vanilla mafia, but also thinks the game is role madness

So what Kaede said is correct, she really can’t check my true role. So her role is only useful against PR claims? Wonderful. All she or Grapes can do is prove I’m not a PR.

Unless there's a vanillizer, yes, this is correct.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I find it more likely personally from her earlier play that it's more likely she's trying to justify being messed with role-wise

You got the events wrong.
I want to either be lynched TODAY or not ever because I want to avoid this situation:

Vanilla cop points to existence of mafia goon

Or vanillizer.
There was one in Nightingale's Tale.
Which is a reason I wanted to die without outing my role, imagine this:
A lot of people scumread me.
I live because of my claim.
Scum vanillizes me, so I dont get a result and I cant use my role anymore.
Town calls BS on that and lynches me.

We not only wasted a day, my role got nothing useful out of it, and I get lynched anyway for the same flip that could've been gotten today.

Hence my statement from before.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Rant:

But wow, I never expected people to be able to spin all my goodwill to help the town into some sort of scum master plan, as the great scum planner that I am, so much that everyone dances like puppets under my strings when im scum and im capable of controlling the flow of everything in the game, so everyone has to scrutinize everything I say and slap a scum reasoning for it, instead of you know... actually reading me

</Rant>

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Like, I've been outside of my scum range since like several pages ago, this is just saddening at this point.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Like I know im biased on this, but you're literally labelling all these maneuvers and pre-plannings on the player that is trying to not improve her scum game, because I hate that my scum game is praised so much when literally everytime im scum i dont know what im doing and somehow i get townread, AND THIS, in turn causes people to scumread me when im town because SHE'S CAPABLE OF FAKING EVERYTHING, SHE DOES IT COZ SHE'S EMULATING HER TOWN META. I'm sick of it, this is why I don't want to play anymore, seems like I never will be able to get a towngame where I dont have to be hiding from everyone coz everything I say is going to be part of some scum master plan or some such.

I'm tired

Of this.

I don't want this to happen anymore.

All I want is to destroy my scum meta, somehow, but Im not rolling scum to do so, and all I get is this kind of treatment again.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

I even got a 2 week ban for it.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Speaking of moment where the hell did he dissapear to.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

Wisdom, please stop badgering Kaede. I’m sure you mean well and are genuinely trying to help her but you’re causing her pain. She isn’t faking anything but that doesn’t make her town. I’m sorry, I honestly don’t know how much more I can stomach of the Wisdom/Kaede show. I signed up for Mafia not a freaking soap opera. Please just back off of her. Despite your best intentions, can’t you see how your well-intentioned advice is stressing her out?

Wisdom's advice is fine, posts like THIS ONE tho do stress me out.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

vote moment, nancy.

I will but

I’ll switch back to Kaede to save Gingie.

VOTE: Moment

You really shouldnt have mentioned the bolded.
I was thinking of voting moment earlier to sheep Wisdom, but I
literally
hate
stuff like this, irregardless of your actual alignment, this kind of statement makes me less likely to vote moment.
Because I rather die voting scum, than voting someone to save myself.

[Kaede Akamatsu]

And with that im not moving my vote.
Consequences be damned.