Labyrinth Mafia (Endgame)

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the PT started in pregame

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what is your case there Nancy

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Someone help me get into this game please

Pretend scum!Creature isn't there

ND39 Joral and Reality?

I don’t really know about ND39 honestly haven’t really been able to get into their posts

Joral is like too scummy to be scum but then again I’ve played games where it still flipped scum

I townread realty for now

???

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so your counter to me saying that whemestar was townreading us shortly before we got moved to the underground

is to quote a far earlier post when he still had a scumread on us

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Nancy tbh I don't get it either

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if it helps, I don't want to lynch Wheme because of setup stuff, mainly because I think I'm close to the point where I can solve the game and I don't want to be the lolobvious kill now that I've been left alive this long.

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Btw I think Shoshin could be gambiting specifically because it's entirely possible she's a full doctor, we don't actually have any proof that she is a bodyguard.

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(plus the way she's talking about her role making her town reminds me of how scum try to push games into false solved states via information manipulation)

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I'm not convinced I want to catch up with the new posts tbh

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Remind me when I'm doing my catch up or whatever I feel like doing after work

My mood has been trash lately so no guarantees of anything

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Ask the mod Wisdom

I was told that CShep would return the same result as a neighborizer

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@Mod: are blocked actions considered visiting their target?

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@Mod: Has a mod error occurred regarding my role?

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Wisdom don't you know how I operate by now

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Shoshin I think whichever site you came from has very very different ideas of what's town and scum than here

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she just doesnt know i never explain my reads and thinks im pushable
she will learn

There's examples of this shit everywhere in the thread

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Like the honesty = town thing

That's naively false

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Then unpack it and show why it makes you town Shoshin

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I already showed I was getting info you didn't know about regarding targets

It's hard to justify lying as easily with that in the open

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Because you wouldn't be a bodyguard as scum

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Shoshin

Scum need reasons for reads or it will get them caught

Town don't necessarily need reasons

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Shoshin you realize that scum need sensible reasons to not get caught, right?

Town don't need to make sense to everybody else, all that matters is the conclusion

All that matters to scum is the process because they need to be wrong or they lose

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Wisdom what is your PoE again?

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Do you think scum have an eavesdropper or setup knowledge?

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VOTE: Shoshin

I had an epiphany at work that might confscum this slot

But it also implies uncomfortable things about the setup

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I need mod answers first because it's ridiculous otherwise

I'm only considering it because my role is confirmed to be at least somewhat weird or that the way I'm getting results isn't overly intuitive.

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The gambit idea fits into place if I'm right

It otherwise makes perfect sense

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It requires neighborhood access though, otherwise there's no motivation to protect Nico as scum.

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Not giving rid information due scrutiny, especially based on reads is how you lose to a competent setup manipulatiom scum team.

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You mean like how I'm doing to conclude that you're doing a thing town has zero reason to do?

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Wait for RC, then the curtain will fall on you.

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I'm at my desktop so I'll try to get through as much as possible before I burn alive

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so your counter to me saying that whemestar was townreading us shortly before we got moved to the underground

is to quote a far earlier post when he still had a scumread on us

Have you not read the post he made after the underground where he called you scum?



Where is @the worst ? Like it almost seems like you’re t. rying to protect hm. Have you also ignored the worst’s post as well about there being 3 scum left in the game? Who do you think they are then, since your reaction to Wheme’s completely inexplicable contradictory behaviour doesn’t seem to ping you in the slightest?

The fuck?

Spoiler:

The Goblin King has begun to sing!

Reality Check, The Worst, Scioness Sajj have been sent to the Underground.

Scum this Idc what anyone says

He called the action of sending us away scum, not the players.

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unfortunately Shoshin's role is also consistent with town power (like, tradeoff or single-shot powahs)

This is useless, scum very likely have fakeclaims.

I would actually be shocked if they didn't.

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Btw I think Shoshin could be gambiting specifically because it's entirely possible she's a full doctor, we don't actually have any proof that she is a bodyguard.

Anything is possible. It's also irrelevant to making good decisions.

what does this even mean

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and shosin feels like manipulative scum

and her claim is also most likely fake given my slot was a partial bodyguard for two nights

oh my god

I think you're the first person that gets it

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wheme feels like usual wheme and nancy's points are crap like usual

and shosin feels like manipulative scum and her claim is also most likely fake given my slot was a partial bodyguard for two nights

Riiiihht, Who scumread Katsuki and tried to stall Ank lynch in Minuet?

Hint genius:it wasn’t me. But continue to misrepresent me.

you had me as your strongest townread at the end of day one, only switching after everybody else did.

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If you truly beleve this, then why are you sheeping her on random?

you really need to start applying context to what you're saying

because if you think that vote was a sheep, then you're actually insane

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If she is so convinced Shshin is lying then random should be the absolutely last person she ought to be voting for.

you've never seen how I use votes

necromancer doesn't count, I was very deliberately not doing what I usually do there

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I mean youre not really pushing her, while shes been deathtunneling you
It fits

this 100% fits my theory too

I think Shoshin was designed to reach the end of the game, which has very very interesting implications, one in particular fitting my theory perfectly and making the N2->D3 play make total sense.

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well... "Shoshin was designed" -> "scum's plan was for Shoshin"

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give me a reason why chick is town, nancy

When did I say she was town?

I have stated clear facts. Whem is claiming that he was townreading Reality at the time he targeted her due to their PT that started pregame but Wheme said that they had no PT due to underground but he said that all 3 underground peops: the worst, Sajj,

Reality

were scum. I didn’t pull any of this out of my ass. All of it was based on facts.

And she is completely ignoring this. Also why on earth do you vote with your scumread if you believe that they’re manipulating information?

In what world does it make any sense for Reality to sheep Shoshin in voting random, if she truly believes this?

do you understand what sheeping means, because you're showing that you don't

and also, Wheme and I had the PT at the start of the game up until we were sent to the underground, then N1 all the way to the present time

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Read 2762 and tell me where it says "im voting random because im sheeping shoshin"

Independent scumreads are a thing
Bussing is a thing

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The poin is that if Reality believes that Shoshin is manipulating information and is pushing random, then Reality should not vote random with her.

I also see no evidence that Shoshin is busing random but Wheme could definitely have been bussing Chick.

what makes you think I shouldn't be voting random just because I think the only other person on the wagon is probably scum?

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and in case it wasnt clear, it isnt specified who sarah was
Taly didnt know what player had her

wheme feels like usual wheme and nancy's points are crap like usual

and shosin feels like manipulative scum and her claim is also most likely fake given my slot was a partial bodyguard for two nights

Only if you were the protective who visited Nico. And based on your role, it doesn’t make sense that Taly/you would target anyone but Joral/CS. So if that’s the case than you can both be protectives.

ITS A PASSIVE ROLE

So Wisdom didn’t need to submit any NA. Okay but this still clears Shoshin as the.protective who visited NIco, doesn’t it?

it doesn't clear shit

nobody ever was under an illusion that anybody but Shoshin could have been the protective on Nico, just by what alignment that action came from

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Had ank claimed the protective result when shoshin claimed the bg on her?

In the pt ank said there was a protective killing and communicative on nico

I’m pretty sure

we claimed killing + protective early on in the day, we just didn't out the third right away (but that a third existed and was very very likely town, yes)

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I can see no good reason for scum!Shoshin to have protected Nico if she’s scum. Like Taly/Wisdom couldn’t have had any idea who Sarah was, how could Shoshin possible have known that Nico was a macho cop?

If you really think that Shoshin is scum here, then her using her NA on Nico makes absolutely no sense if she’s scum.

I'll be able to confirm this yes or no depending on what RC says to my questions towards him.

but

if I get the answers I'm expecting to get, then Shoshin's scum equity goes way up. Way. Up.

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In the pt ank said there was a protective killing and communicative on nico

But she didn’t post it in the thread until AFTER Shoshin had already claimed. In fact she was hoping to drag it out until D5.

and both Wheme and myself are claiming that I told him the results before day four

unless you believe both of us are scum, this means that we got the information that we are claiming to have gotten.

In light of all this, her freak out over the possibility of Nico investigating her makes 0 sense now. She tried to stop Creature lynch by pushing Shoshin D2, had 0 problem with Angel lynch and is now pushing Shoshin lynch again- despite mechanical evidence that clears her? Why?

do I need to quote half my ISO again

Does it really matter what kind of protective doc/bg Shoshin is? In what world does scum!Shoshin protect the target she wants dead?

I've been saying it over and over again

as a gambit

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In what world does scum!Shoshin protect the target she wants dead?

mastina did it in minuet, remember?

actually both of us just went with what we'd do as town

it just happened to have us shooting a target we were protecting at the same time

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I want to lynch Shosh again for mechanical reasons but she just FEELS like town

did you forget my S O U L R E A D

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That's what's fucking up my solve. I really wanna powerlynch Shosh but her bg claim checks out.


pedit: n3 I keep saying this rtft

how does it check out, all we know is that I saw a protective on Nico night two and that Shoshin claimed it

everything else is unproven

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I don't think so. He was really honest in the pt. Reality never posted in there which just doesn't seem like Anka if she'd been neighbourised

in no universe do I not post in a neighborhood I have access to unless I'm outright prohibited to

I have around 150 posts just in the one with Wheme

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Does have a roleblocker?

Does have a roleblocker?

Scum

Yes

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rule of thumb you should resolve as many abilities as possible unless abilities directly effect other abilities I guess

so even though he died there's no other ability which interrupted him ability from occurring so was alg



pedit: almost 100% no

Why’s that

night kils aren't consistent with scum having a roleblocker
Killing cop!Nico there wasn't right
killing CShep there wasn't right

They could have looked either down via RB, e.g. RB nico and shoot nd39 (who is posting more)

also don't seem to be any night actions missing. if anything there's some extra.

CShep dying makes perfect sense with a scum roleblocker

If Shoshin was town, then she would have been blocked.

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Wisdom don't you know how I operate by now

meaning?

Kinda hinted at it by now but it was a reaction test

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Why is chick town, shoshin?

I'll explain when you explain why the worst is town.

that's not how this works

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VOTE: Wisdom

That read on the worst is bullshit.

A town replacement wouldn't take it for granted that the worst is town.

THIs

is why you’re voting him?

How do you know he didn’t base this on the wort’s ISO?

I don’t believe you believe this.

You think Wisdom comes into the game, reads the worst as town, but can't explain why? It's bullshit.

I can't explain 90% of my reads

Doesn't make them any less real or correct

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the worst's "badtown" read on Reality on D1 didn't make any sense.

Didn't you say this too

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I'm talking the night that cshep died, night three

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but did scum know that during n3

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idk, gif was flipped at that point, meaning they knew the jk is disabled
If shoshin is scum theyd assume theres no other protective, no?

did you read through day three? CShep basically outed Shoshin as a protective

I'm a certified fucking idiot with finding crumbs, yet I figured it out the moment he crumbed it

that means scum definitely noticed too

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it does

that's ultimately what I'm getting at

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because if shoshin is town

then why did cshep die

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worst did you not see the gambit idea I proposed right after I claimed

That's literally what it was

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Wisdom's scum, Nancy.

His certainty re: mod derp = knowing too much.

Wisdom's certainty that I'm scum doesn't make any sense either from a town perspective.

yet I am town despite the same thing being true

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Because I read your role PM in my dreams

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keep flailing my dear

@Shoshin

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This game is solved.

I'm town
Wisdom is obvtown
Random is obvtown
I strongly believe the townread on the worst is sheepable.

That leaves three slots. Either there is two scum left and it doesn't matter which order, or there is three and it still doesn't matter.

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Shoshin is open wolfing now

Chickadee is tomorrow

If that doesn't end, Whemestar

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This game is solved.

I'm town
Wisdom is obvtown
Random is obvtown
I strongly believe the townread on the worst is sheepable.

That leaves three slots. Either there is two scum left and it doesn't matter which order, or there is three and it still doesn't matter.

What the fuck?

Wisdom is obvtown?
Random is obvtown?

Are you serious?

I am dead serious.

Both slots are obvtown.

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I tested him

He towned really hard to the test.

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Shoshin its over

Experienced town never use the strategy you are currently using.

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Fine

VOTE: Chickadee

Leaving open wolfing scum puts a bad taste in my mouth though

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Oh Sajj

Yeah that slot is town. Scum don't use an extra kill like they have

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Tbh

If Shoshin doesn't die tonight, Sajj gets powerlynched after her

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Actually before

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Shoshin is obvscum

No way does that slot flip town

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Lynch the mafia vig over the mafia protective, Nancy