Transformers Mafia - Dinobots STRONGEST!

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Rb is scum

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Rb where is our scum chat.
The link I got isn’t workinng

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radiant cowbells is a criminal

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lol everyone has intel on Creature's meta don't worry

it helps with his title i think

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no, i am calling you smooth

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this game my plan is to just pocket mariar and the rest will be cake i think
you guys are terrible and mariar will protect me.

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this game my plan is to just pocket mariar and the rest will be cake i think
you guys are terrible and mariar will protect me.

FIRE BABY WHO'S TRYING TO HURT YOU I'LL FIGHT EM

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i bet you anything someone will scumread someone for not townreading/scumreading creature though.

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VOTE: firebringer

if you were town you'd be reading creature differently from what you are

i don't actually know your read on creature rn to be fair but it's definitely not what it would be if you were town

r u memeing?

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Radiant Horseballs has the worst scum game ever Ircher

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you will always be Ircher.

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creature's scumgame is to post one thing scummy and then lurk for the rest of the game while RC fervantly defends him kappa

who r u?

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So, who should I vote.... Maybe I should vote Fire for continuing to get my name wrong....

whatever you say Ircher

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antihero plays yugioh?
I am shook

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So, who should I vote.... Maybe I should vote Fire for continuing to get my name right....

whatever you say Ircher

I'm heavily inclined to go duel someone right now.... It poses no real detriment to the town as voting for neither candidate is an option.

Why would you want to duel someone Ircher?
It poses no way of benefiting town

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stungun is town.

did the scumputer say that?

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rc were u memeing with ur vote on me

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if rcstatement == "meme":
_play_along()
else:
_laugh_at(rc)

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ohhh shit, dueling is actually a part of this game.

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Duel: Katsuki

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

This is going to be fun.

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i love it already.

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don't we all.

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VOTE: Fire

unless you have some stupidly powerful Scrap/Energon ability I'm not sure I want you around after this

wanting me around just because of any role utility is ridiculous if you think my day play is negativite utility to the town.

like do you think i would use my role utility better at night if my day play is shit?
yes?

sounds bad logic mate.

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Seriously, can we just turbolynch Firebringer?

Probably should let Katsuki post before we do that buddy.

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also:
@MariaR
IRCHER IS BULLYING ME!!!!!

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Simple. Let me duel tomorrow. Then we can chainlynch players.

stop announcing to scum that you should be night killed.

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It is really in town's interest right now to try to get a speedlynch off due to the instantaneous night thing.

lynching doesn't speed up the day with duel mechanic. nowhere does it say that a finished duel ends the day.
The dueling mechanic seems to be a way of just allowing more lynches.

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when it says "day ends" it means its the end of the day for those people are killed.

obviously.

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hey garmr, how you been?

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wouldn't it be funny if both me and katsuki were scum?

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Firebringer would just quick-duel as scum

someone doesn't know me.

Hi my name is firebringer. And I invented the shittiest gambits you will ever know.
how are you doing?

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hey garmr, how you been?

Been pretty good, So lets cut the chit chat. The price to pocket me is a shiny silver coin and a packet of skittles.

i don't bribe people, its against my ethical code.
but i will continue to chit chat and try to manipulate you through kind words and funny posts.

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someone's probably going to random duel me D2 just out of spite

My fellow mafiascum players.

If I am victorious in this duel.

I promise that I will duel UnrealSeal tomorrow.
Because if there is one thing I stand for it is memes.

Lets make Transformers great again.

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You guys, like i know i am trolling here, but we haven't gotten a read at all on Katsuki lol.

Maybe we should you know....let him post something?? lol

I am not even arguing not to lynch me, but when I am the voice of reason here. I know you guys dun fucked up.

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@firebringer, you in particular should roleclaim IMO.

Apologies, I am not roleclaiming today.
Maybe tomorrow, but not today.

If that is unacceptable you can vote Katsuki.
Probably should let him post though.

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Ircher if anyone else was posting the way you have been posting, I would scumread them outright.

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VOTE: Neither

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There are numerous players in this game who might snapduel me before I've posted in this game as town but FB is nowhere close to being one of them.

why do you think this?

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so now your cop is a vig shot....

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i can see dramonics point on unrealseal

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HOPE YOU HAVE A ROLEBLOCK ON YOUR TEAM BECAUSE IM SHOOTING YOU IN THE FACE TONIGHT RC

on second thought I do hate both of you guys

VOTE: neither

question for you:
why are you making decisions based on how you feel about someone rather than what alignment you think they are?

If you think either of us are negative utility to the town, you are being far more negatiive utility by basically advocating two people lynched in which you have so far demonstrated thinking both are town.

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it really appears like fake anger and outrage.
and doens't even make sense when you "rethink" things.

no thought process makes sense with disliking kats posts in the way seal has engaged with to make his responses look appropriate. Like I know annoyance/anger and I really have a hard time buying what seal is selling me that he is so annoyed he wants us both lynched.

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@Gamma killing both would mean no-one gets Scrap/Energon which would mean we're potentially missing out on game-changing night actions

I don't think the possibility of a Doc/BG is outlandish and even if I think FB is dumb, he's still very likely a town VI which means his night action could still help at least a little bit

plus, I think it's too early to vote neither since Kats could still possibly be useful during day play

not too optimistic after that first post though.

I don't understand if you think fire is town why vote for kat to win? Kat should of been considered null when you voted because of the no posts and isn't it better to keep town alive even if you think they are a vi?.

because in this case, it was more about the potential detriment both players posed to town

Firebringer random dueled and stated an intent to essentially do it again.

Katsuki didn't even post until now and with her recent claim will be relatively easy to sort after the duel.

HOPE YOU HAVE A ROLEBLOCK ON YOUR TEAM BECAUSE IM SHOOTING YOU IN THE FACE TONIGHT RC

on second thought I do hate both of you guys

VOTE: neither

These posts are followed by each other.
Lets dig deeper.

Earlier we had seal say that he would lynch me for the exception if i had a very good role. This means he considers role important and he even confirmed this later when he said that i coudl make it up for my "stupid day play" by being good at night actions.

Now he says "Kats can be sorted with role" then immediately jumps to side of "Lynch them both!". What? These aren't rational and they don't make sense for anything kats has done to receive the hatred of seal to justify a lynch on him.

This doesn't compute.

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RC and Rb's play around this is really scummy to me

rb is town.
rc is w/e.

Why aren't you voting Neither?

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I want to ask why are you killing yourself? You should vote to down kat if you are town you are undervaluing yourself.

I don't want to be in this game with RC on day 2.

Thats why I want Neither.

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report me then.

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i swear one of my worst buttons is when someone says i am a game thrower.
it annoys me so much.

I was a admin on a mafia site for several years.
I reviewed hundreds/thousands of games and had to make judgement calls on game throwing.

Making baseless accusations of gamethrowing is dumb inside of games.
Take it to list mods.

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i know im not gamethrowing.

and i can actually make a good argument that me being lynched is better if i thought katsuki was town and had amazing role, because i think scum leave me for mislynch bait in the mid-late game and i think that hurts town to leave me alive for that long anyways.

in other words lynching me earlier increases town win chance just by fact that i became susceptible to lynch later which make it easier for scum to win.

at least me lynching both of us i get both of best worlds.
I can't be mislynched mid game and kats who is likely scum gets lynched too.

If i made a bad random duel, then yeah this is all on me.

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@fire you specifically took away everybody's ability to actually push scum-reads and vote on alignment

when you did a random duel

and now your trying to suicide because "I don't want to be with RC in D2"

explain to me

how any of this

is playing to your wincon

you haven't addressed anything i have towards you, if you can do that, i will be gladly to repeat what i have stated on how i am playing towards win con.

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in other news i think mariar is scum.

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i don't think i have had this many scumreads this quick into a game before in a long long time.
{Seal, Katsuki, Maria}

it feels right but at same time i am going "uhhhh is it?"

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Sure thing gamer thrower

What are you trying to accomplish here?

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why is it gamethrowing for one alignment but not the other?
wouldn't it be game throwing for me to kill myself as scum?

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Actually no, i don't want to get into this.
Please stop saying gamethrowing and we will just continue playing the game.

If you want to argue what constitutes game throwing, we can take this topic to MD sometime. And I can explain the approach we used in SC2Mafia and explain the thought process around punishing game throwing and what we interpretted actions and intentions behind plays.

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idk what I did to make you not like me fire.

don't know what to tell you here man.

like really don't know.

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Hi gammagoey!

I feel Spiffeh is very townie rn

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yes

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probably not.

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i will probably lurk tomorrow

anyways, how you been man?

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if skygazer can clear herself we'll let her duel whoever we as a collective think is scum tomorrow.

Good post

Good reply

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it shows.

I like you skygazer.

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papa zito this isn't even nearly as bad as half the games you have played in like the last two years.

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RC IS 100% SCUM BUT NO ONES GONNA LYNCH HIM AFTER IM DEAD LOL

posts like this make me think RC is town.

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i am lazy rn, but i don't think you read the game with RC in team mafia.

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Doubt that knowing you puppo

i really don't feel like you know me anymore.

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are you having fun inteiotnally antagonizing me here firebringer

because fuck you

fake anger.

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katsuki, if you are town, it isn't helping that you are obviously putting in a mix of fake posts with some i am guessing genuine posts?
I don't know which are which but a lot of them are obvious fake persona you are just throwing in the game.

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Kat making fake posts is NAI I said this before and they did it in my game and a fakegod game both of Kat was town. I'm not saying it can't come from scum but thinking "Kat made a fake post so it's scum." Would be wrong

okay but the posts i think are genuine Kat is also scummy, can you explain how anything kats is doing is townie?

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because if i can get a strong townread on kats i will vote kats too win this.
if not I continue on this or vote myself to win.

I don't want two town to just die.

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I think the fact his posting is not really doing him any favors for the most part and he's still doing it is somewhat towny

that doesn't mean anything?

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RC if ur scumread on kats is only based on him scumreading you.....its kind of weak tbh.

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I think the fact his posting is not really doing him any favors for the most part and he's still doing it is somewhat towny

that doesn't mean anything?

It kinda does.

How does it?

You could turn that argument on its face and apply it to everyone in this game at some level.

Firebringer duels someone out of the gate! He isn't doing himself any favors, thats townie. (we know that isn't a true)

How does this make sense applied to Katsuki specifically?
Katsuki is not an extremely different player than me in some areas I think.

Both anti town at several levels, Both have versatile town and scum games,
Katsuki is probably a much better scum player than me, but I can't think of major differences between us that would have it be something about "doing himself favors". I have never seen scum!Katsuki try to do favors for himself to get townread.

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It would mean a lot of Kat had a lot of associates with his scum partners that would make them towny but he doesn't. He's posting in 1 style and it isn't changing. If he was scum you'd think he tries to appeal to the masses a bit more to get himself saved. To put it in more dumb terms he's not being survivalistic
Pedit: ARE YOU JOKING

I feel like this is just not a description of scumKats.

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Ummm do you want to rethink anything you just posted?

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Ummm do you want to rethink anything you just posted?

this is at maria

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I feel like you're just making excuses to not vote Kats. They haven't done anything to warrant death people like RC and RB are just saying he should die for the sake of "dealing with them now because they could be scum" (worst logic I've ever seen btw)

this post where you tell me I am making excuses to not vote Kats when I have given through reasons for not townreading kats yet, and self voting would be considered more "gamethrowey" than just voting for both of us to die, by your own standards.

How does that make sense in Maria land?

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Aren't I scum fire? I should have an agenda so this shouldn't be a big deal.

I am not hardwired into any reads at this point.

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Kats what are your thoughts on anyone else you haven't mentioned.

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You're the one who's said you'd vote Kats not me if you want to keep going down the path I'm not gonna stop you from helping me with my goal. I don't know why you'd vote Kats but you're the one who said you would. Not that I think you really will and you just said it for town cred and are not looking for an excuse to not do so. If you never said you'd vote kats I'd have no issue but !town you has 0 reason to do so unless certain reasons I won't go into

I gave you reasons why I didn't townread kats.
"YOUR MAKING EXCUSES"
How about going through those reasons, I have said them and I told you I don't agree with any of your analysis of Katsuki playstyle nor how any of what he has done is townie. Your answer is "it is!"

So is this where we stop and now I am just a scumfuck giving excuses for scumreading someone? While at the same point asking Kats to give me more to what? Waste time? Give more excuses?

And now I have to wonder, why are you selectively taking my word for things. You said five posts ago I was going to just constantly throw around duels when I said I probably wasn't gonna do that. You are being selective of what you say is my word and not.

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firebringer, do you have any townreads/townleans?

ive given probably a dozen reads in this game thus far.

Town: Creature, Spiffeh, Ircher, dramonic, rb, Skygazer
Weak Town: RC,
Suspicious Vibes: Garmr,
Scum: Seal, MariaR, Katsuki

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I have no idea what you're talking about. I did quote something of yours and said I doubt you what's so wrong with that. Why don't you explain why I'm scum instead of avoiding it hm? No one is gonna listen to your reads when you die unless you explain them or did you just want to get out of this game so you're just saying w/e sounds good

I think you have been showing your colors for awhile here. And I can go into my reasons for scumreading you quite a bit, but most of it is in relation to how you handled me:

1) The posts directed at me is almost devoid of attempts to read me. I can tell when you are trying to get a read on me and when you aren't. You are definitely not trying at all. Want to argue that?
2) Your posts at me showed what seemed like an attempt to start a AtE fight. And my initial thought was "Hey mariar is doing that thing where she manipulates my emotions to get me to townread her".
3) Your logic isn't consistent enough even from your perspective. Go back and look at that reply about "your just giving excuses not to vote yourself" how does that make sense in mariar world if you think I am scum? Why not just say "Hey you posted that thing about voting yourself as a way to get townread" instead of say "your giving excuses not vote yourself". Either could be true but the one that had flow was not what you gave.

So yeah, you are probably a big scumread for me. Waiting for you to find reasons to scumread me that makes sense from your perspective tbh.

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I hope that isn't all you have to say to this.

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waste of a kill.

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I did say that I said that you're just ignoring my reasons why Kat is town for a reason to not vote him you're giving the illusion that you can be convinced to vote Kat if you're shown he's town but in reality you're never gonna vote Kat that's why I found it scummy. So I don't know what you think I haven't been saying.

You said that AFTER i questioned on if you wanted to rethink it. You didn't express that originally. So either A) you miscommunicated your original point or B) backpedaled into something that made more sense.
I thought B. And this still doesn't explain thoughts before hand that I can apply this same reasoning on how your thinking makes sense in maria world.

Ate fight? Mmmm no. I wanted you to do something yes I did try to manipulate you to try and argue but I wanted you to argue with your reads, not your emotions. I didn't know I was offending you at all and that was never my goal. I was really confused why people asked me to play nice when I didn't think I did anything wrong. I wasn't trying to get you to tr me If I'm scum I don't need ate to get people to tr me. You should know I use manipulation as town and scum to suit my agenda or perhaps you don't.

Okay several things. You don't manipulate people i nthe same ways as both town and scum. So going to strike that down here.

dismissed you after you game threw out of respect thinking you had to be scum because town you wouldn't do something that shitty yes I can say that. i don't get your reasons I think it's game throwing I can't even go into full detail because you asked me not too and I don't want to upset you so I won't. On the off chance your town I wanted to get stuff out of you and coax you into doing something instead of just sitting and dying because you didn't want to be in a game with a player. Because honestly we weren't gonna have a lot to go off of regardless of the flip so I thought I'd make you give us some. If you're scum that works even better if you're town at least you're debating.

You didn't even address me before that point. At all.
You voted Katsuki to win and said "I have no reason to lynch Katsuki" as though you gave me a thought on reading me and decided a person you had zero reason was better than me.

You got to explain the logic in between here, because as soon as you saw that is when you first made a opinion and thats all you had since. It doesn't even make sense given what I can argue against that fact but then we have to go into something we both agreed we aren't going to talk about anymore.

Between me saying that about wanting Neither, and when you decided to vote Katsuki. Did you have a read or what? Cause you voted as though you did but didn't attempt anything.

And yeah your attempts to get me to talk are not good.

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And yeah your attempts to get me to talk are not good.

I would go as far as to say even me saying that what you did were "actual attempts" is giving you way too much leeway.

You have DEFINITELY not been trying to get a conversation going with me. You have definitely not been trying to get me to argue any of my points. You have definitely not trying to form an opinion of me.

For you to pretend that everything you did was some ulterior motive to get me to argue is not only wrong. Its probably the biggest fucking lie in this game so far.

And Katsuki has lied about his role 2 times already. And you are a making a bigger lie than him.

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Decepticons are scum.

whut

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Creature vote Neither.

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i could see KatsScum day vigging DGB.
But I kind of almost want to find out who DGB is really good at reading and go back from there, most likely in the older players, because DGB isn't really known in the newer crowd.

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i could see KatsScum day vigging DGB.
But I kind of almost want to find out who DGB is really good at reading and go back from there, most likely in the older players, because DGB isn't really known in the newer crowd.

Maybe she got shot for supporting Cupcake in the duel.

"That'll show 'em!"

I mean...i can't see the point of that? I guess if you think I am scum it makes sense...
But really only makes sense to me as someone sees DGB as long term threat if we take it out of context of this duel.

Like personally if i was scum, I would have day shot Spiffeh.

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Stop going for a low blow you know why I can't explain my logic here

I actually don't.

if this is because of some personal thing between us, than yeah, we can not go down this rabbit hole, but really?
I thought we settled that.

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I am not in the mood for this banter. Sorry I am no fun fire rn.

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what is the current vote count?
I really want to get a few more reads in here before we go to night.

And more than half the players i have no opinion on.

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Brian Skies smells.

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my final words are that MariaR needs to be in a duel tomorrow.
GL town.