Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[zMuffinMan]

those _ARE_ interactions

if you're asking for the same analysis on different players, i've done it (for the most part), i'm just not talking about the rest of it publicly. my thoughts are contained in a PT and i share what i feel like sharing

there are other people i want to lynch more but those are less likely to gain traction for one reason or another (see, for example: me thinking drixx isn't viable due to derp squad hard-defending him)

[zMuffinMan]

here's an incredibly brief overview of posts from numbers dude that have any worthwhile sort of interaction and what they mean about different players (i'm not going to give any depth to any of these or any further analysis i've done on any of it, this is just a cursory run-down of posts i think stuck out in terms of interactions)

posts of some interest:

#69 -chickadee
#75 -tora +human?
#207 -fa
#208 -chickadee
#367 +titus?
#371 -fa
#382 -fa
#466 -cupcake?
#769 -gamma?
#771 -sakura?
#901 -tora
#902 -chickadee?
#906 -brass -worst?
#908 -worst?
#910 -worst?
#921 -nancy
#926 -nancy? -sando
#927 -tora
#928 -sakura
#934 +mylo
#937 +human?
#956 -tora
#1093 -hebi
#1094 +human?
#1099 +mylo? +random?
#1103 -worst? -hebi
#1534 -ankamius +titus? (links down bottom)
#1651 -nancy?
#1678 -nancy?

[zMuffinMan]

(at the end of the day, mylo is a lurker who has provided virtually zero content and could realistically swing either way and i could very easily be reading too much into what numbers dude said about him and it could just be a coincidence and he happened to be calling out a town player and talking about the scum meta of a town player and so on and so forth)

(but i have town reads on 12 of the other 20 players alive (3 tentative that i need to try to firm up at some point when i have time) and, of the remaining 7 apart from mylo, i see more reason to think some others are town OR the others are more likely to meet resistance for one reason or another)

(for example, human sequencer is probably a good bet for scum but people either think he's town or don't have much of a read on him, so i'm not going there today - tackle that one later after taking out the weaker links)

[zMuffinMan]

https://www.quora.com/Can-one-plead-the ... -available

[zMuffinMan]

I'm gonna have to make a notepad file and just save up quotes from you for endgame

oh no... please have mercy...

[zMuffinMan]

Go back and read you and Titus in ISO from start of day 2. You are legitimately winding Titus up with no goal that I can discern. It's not only NOT BS, it's precisely how I always operate.

i did. this is pretty obviously false. you voted sando in 2132 and the ONLY mention of titus from sando that you could legitimately argue comes close to this before that post was his first post (2065) and you'd have to stretch the definition of "winding someone up" pretty far to say that fits the description because that's just a read...

[zMuffinMan]

(oh, and 2125, but that was a clarification of something he said in the first post)

[zMuffinMan]

Your response to being voted over

it

was the entire point of the exercise. Let's say I'm not exactly feeling great about your response.

you say "it" like he knew why you were voting him, even though this post is the first time you explained "it"

so essentially you're not exactly feeling great about him responding to you lack of reasoning?

[zMuffinMan]

if winding up titus is soooooooo scummy, then i'm the scum lord, yet sando's rather tame #2065 is what made you vote him despite all the misgivings you apparently have with me?

haha yeah, i believe that

[zMuffinMan]

if you can read drixx's posts and tell me he has a valid point about his read (i.e. that something before #2132 was sando "winding up" titus) then i'll stop talking about it altogether

drixx says to double ISO them but there's really not much point because they don't cross post (and didn't at the start of D2), but here's a quick and easy reference starting with sando's first post D2:

viewtopic.php?t=76709&user_select%5b%5d ... #p10325542

[zMuffinMan]

even if you want to give drixx the benefit of the doubt and say he meant all of sando's posts not just the ones before he voted him, go ahead

[zMuffinMan]

In other words I analyzed the intent.

poorly

[zMuffinMan]

You’ve “solved” the game and don’t even bother to mention who your townreads are on.

correct. im honestly not interested in helping town win so much as solving the game myself

What’cha gonna do if mylo flips green huh?

he probably won't, but ill mourn the loss of such an obviously town slot, shed a few tears and hopefully i'll eventually find the will power to move on

And I wonder why this muffin wagon isn’t taking off. Because muffin is scum.

youre truly a genius among geniuses

[zMuffinMan]

Furthermore you fucking admit it could go either way. And that is the person you are pushing right now.

i will openly admit any of my reads could go either way

unlike certain people who are wrong far more often than not, i dont live under the delusion that my reads are word of god

[zMuffinMan]

The bolded really makes no sense.

it does, you just dont seem to get it. whether town wins or loses isnt important to me, whether i get lynched or not isnt important to me, im playing this particular game purely to solve it and i dont really care beyond that. if i get things right, yay, if i dont, oh well, ill go back and look at where i went wrong. different people play mafia for different reasons; it's important for you to understand that

[zMuffinMan]

carefactor: zero

im not going to spoon-feed you - solve the game yourself

[zMuffinMan]

why on earth would i want to cooperate with someone like mathblade, sakura? it's hard to tell when he's actually town because he furthers the scum wincon almost every single game he's in and he actually thinks he's making good points despite being blatantly wrong so very often

in the words of a renowned philosopher, i'm pretty sure drinking cyanide is a better alternative than working with mathblade (paraphrasing, but close enough to what he said)

[zMuffinMan]

My notes show that I noted Sando down as winding Titus up to no discernible reason. I did put that vote before a wall of quotes, so there's a possibility that I really didn't make it obvious. But that IS the reason. Period.

oh, man

this is so obvtown

i was blind not to see it before

doesnt go back to check despite asking people to double ISO titus/sando

doesnt go back to check even after being told he was wrong (because if what he thought was so scummy was actually so scummy, he surely wouldn't want to get the right person)

wow, damn, how could anyone not see the town intent here?

[zMuffinMan]

man, drixx is just so obviously town, fuck

mathblade was right all along. didn't think i'd ever say that

[zMuffinMan]

I am to the contrary of popular opinion trying to see what you are saying

no, youre not lol

[zMuffinMan]

you are so bad at reading intent it's laughable

it's why it's hard to tell when you're actually town

you just help scum so much

[zMuffinMan]

what fucking points? youve said drixx is town because he mediated something between two friends

fuck

wow how could i not see your point?

[zMuffinMan]

i dare anyone in this game to tell me what drixx's reads are and why

i'll give you a hint:

his sole scum read (sando) he's just recently acknowledged that he might have read stuff incorrectly (but has yet to go back and check)

and if you can tell me whether or not he scum reads either of the two other people he's talked about in any depth (me and mathblade), i'll be surprised

[zMuffinMan]

we should be lynching drixx but there probably isn't enough support for that because people are soft and want to keep him around so he can continue writing long walls of nothing and getting a pat on the back for it and scum aren't going to bus him because they think he's a strong player (l o l)

human sequencer (now creature) is a good lynch but some people for whatever reason thought human sequencer was town and others had no opinion on him and there isn't that much time left in the day so that's unlikely to happen

mylo is by far the best compromise of the available player list. there's a decent chance he's scum and, well, even if he isn't, it's no real loss

i'm not going to pretend that any one of them is a rock solid lynch that is guaranteed to land on scum but there is a far better chance of there being scum in those names than in some others

[zMuffinMan]

He called you an outright liar

and yet he still wont commit to a scum read on me

[zMuffinMan]

i voted sakura last night, i'll probably do the same again tonight

sakura is less likely to give a ton of power to scum than ankamius is tbh

[zMuffinMan]

that's why you have a backup vote and split votes between the two. i will probably vote FA if i have to but i doubt ill vote ankamius

[zMuffinMan]

because i've seen ankamius's reads

[zMuffinMan]

i actually dont care if ankamius is the other option. i was mostly just saying that out of spite

just vote one of FA, ankamius since there's the least amount of contention about those two, i don't really care

[zMuffinMan]

haven't checked her

drixx has 35 posts. shouldn't take very long

[zMuffinMan]

why do you think drixx killed cerb?

[zMuffinMan]

sorry, that was meant to be "why do you think cerb died?"

[zMuffinMan]

To be clear I think your reads are shit but we need a Lynch.

what are my reads?

[zMuffinMan]

(im at work, im reading things but if youre treating me like kingmaker here i want to shore up some reads im less confident about first)

(i dont have absolute confidence in any of my reads and im not going to pretend that any read i have is definitely correct but if you want to know what my biggest issue with you is, mathblade, is that's you consistently say things like "x is obvtown" when no, x is not obviously town at all and your reasoning for calling them "obvtown" is shaky at best)

[zMuffinMan]

Muffin thinks Titus is town. That’s a core tenant of what they have been saying.

no i don't and no it isn't, actually

i do (or did at one point) think there was a negative connection between titus and drixx - not so sure it holds water because it's weak (and i'm not interested in doing an in-depth analysis here pre-flip since i could be wrong about either or both). regardless, neither of them was ever a town read just because i think i spotted a negative interaction

[zMuffinMan]

He never addressed the multiple times I asked him about his Titus townread.

i didn't care what you thought about it

you are right though that at one point i thought if drixx was scum, it would mean titus might be town because it looked to me like drixx was talking to/about a town player (that didn't mean i thought titus looked town, just that there was a negative connection between the two)

i reassessed and decided the interaction was probably too weak to call it a true negative connection

[zMuffinMan]

mathblade, your first post to me after you replaced in was vehemently shutting down my scum read on drixx in 2541 - why on earth do you think i should have treated you with even a modicum of respect after that? i didnt see you replace in and start acting hostile towards you out of nowhere... arguably im excessive in publicising my loathing of someone's play but im not the one who picked a fight with you here

[zMuffinMan]

I dont care who the leader votes go to really

pick literally any two names and stick with those

i dont give two shits about powers in this game, they'll likely make virtually no difference on the outcome of the game

[zMuffinMan]

i mean, you're saying it has to be a pattern and similar intent... i'm telling you there is a pattern (a similar example when he was scum and no counter-examples of him acting similarly towards a town player when he was scum - but again, literally anyone is free to find me one counter-example and they can prove this point wrong) and the intent seems pretty obvious (distancing)

so i don't know what your point is...

by no means is it a guarantee, but it's still a decent indicator that he was conscious of a scum buddy

[zMuffinMan]

im going to vote ankamius

[zMuffinMan]

Completely unwilling to behave like an adult and talk to people in anything resembling a civil manner.

lol

Refuses to give reasoning for anything; when pressed resorts to more trolling, sarcasm, etc...

heh. also untrue (literally verifiably untrue)

Loads of self contradiction

like?

Refuses the implied social contract which is part of the basic premise of the game (i.e. you play to help your faction win)

a. that would only be true if i'm town, which kind of invalidates this as a reason you can use to vote me
b. i'm not actively playing against my win con, i'm just not spoon feeding people reads

Has managed to completely bog day 2 down in almost zero conversation of any productive substance by essentially stirring the pot and shitting all over anyone who tries to progress the conversation or gamestate.

a. there's been plenty of productive conversation d2
b. this describes your play more than mine, since the vast majority of your play has revolved around complaining about me

[zMuffinMan]

So yeah, with my death sentence hanging over my head is there anything you'd guys like to talk about?

how much of the game have you read now?

[zMuffinMan]

@stungun

do you have some history with ankamius or is there some reason you chose to ISO ankamius alone?

[zMuffinMan]

VOTe: TITUS

@MOD

PLEASE MOD KILL THIS, HE BROKE HIS POST RESTRICTION!

thanks in advance

[zMuffinMan]

lol@people thinking shiro is lying
lol@people thinking shiro is scum

[zMuffinMan]

scum PT last night:

"hey shiro, pretend you got the medium N1 and that you used it on cerb lol"
"but i don't see a point in doing that..."
"nah dw it's a good idea, trust me, it's not going to make people think you're town but do it anyway!"
"but won't it be too obvious? what if they try to verify it?"
"lol dw just say he won't do it! everyone will let you off the hook! it's a flawless strategy"
"ok, i will do just that! i also believe this is a flawless strategy!"

[zMuffinMan]

orrrrrrrrrr crazy theory

he thinks proving right now it is meaningless and wants you all to shut the fuck up about it for a while

hmmm

actually, nah, sorry, jig's up shiro

you're caught now

[zMuffinMan]

scum didn't necessarily vote titus, she won on tiebreak. bbMolla, cerb, no living player got more than 2 votes and titus won out on tiebreak factors (on the scum lynch, more overall votes than sakura)

she could be scum anyway but i doubt she planned to get elected

[zMuffinMan]

oh no, those cruel bastards got me with it too



guess ill continue not posting as much so i dont disrupt the very useful conversations going on (that im sure are worth reading) with this awful post restriction

[zMuffinMan]

you guys post too much

[zMuffinMan]

lol@people thinking sando is scum

[zMuffinMan]

those powers are pretty shit rofl

id suggest not picking anyone for the super hero team tonight (mostly because im doubting youre gonna pick all town and i imagine theyre gonna pick up the cancerous power when you give them the opportunity to)

[zMuffinMan]

pretty much all of those except for healing touch and impenetrable skin are garbage

and those arent a necessity if the others arent on the table in the first place

[zMuffinMan]

or because youre scum and hes an easy vote?

rofl

[zMuffinMan]

oh shit, just realised i broke my post restriction. dont modkill me. back to lurking

[zMuffinMan]

oh one last thing before i go back to lurking: has stungun done anything town?

i loled at this for a number of reasons...

shit, i just voted ankamius for leader and now she’s dead. :-/

she was the only iso i had gotten too fwiw as well, other than my own role and bbmolla. i was 100% on her being town because of brassherald’s 275 + her completely unnecessary change from the 123456789 wagon to titus wagon (i think off memory) at the end of d1 in the instance she was scum.

[zMuffinMan]

Nos is scum, the constant misrep and progression is basically a tool to get a townie lynched while contributing literally nothing else at this stage.

nah, pretty sure hes just town who thinks youre scum and doesnt care what you say (aint helpful if youre town, but is what it is)

[zMuffinMan]

Stungun - Town, pretty obvious and will be more when I flip town

y?

[zMuffinMan]

yes, that's why i asked "y?"

those are all things scum would do when a mislynch is probably gonna go through anyway but even if it doesn't who cares?

[zMuffinMan]

lol @ thinking im paying close enough attention to this game to notice anything asked me in the mass of useless posts i skipped

[zMuffinMan]

dunno, i need to read stuff =]

i thought town previously but hes on my reassess-and-make-sure-im-not-missing-something list

[zMuffinMan]

oh yeah that reminds me

going to reiterate this every day until this day phase ends

fa should not pick anyone for the superhero team tonight with these shit powers on board

because man those powers largely suck in terms of town utility vs scum utility (outside of healing touch and arguably impenetrable skin) and im pretty sure fa will put scum in her team

at most it should be a relatively small team (2, at most 3) so that any shitty power picks become more obvious

[zMuffinMan]

that's exactly why she shouldnt pick a large team and limit it to like 2 (if picking a team at all)

too little accountability in a larger team (even if there are

potentially

ways to figure out people who misuse their picks, it's still not worth the risk)

[zMuffinMan]

like if i were scum in a large superhero team tonight, i'd pick petrification, not use it immediately (avoid echos and shit catching me out), say i picked impenetrable skin (good reason for still being alive later), save petrification for use in late game

at least limiting the team size greatly reduces the risk of this becoming an issue later on

[zMuffinMan]

@mathblade, i’d prefer if you called me stungun or stun —> this way i can search for any references to myself later and find them with ease, if need be. you can include the 404 as like stun404, but would prefer you at least include stun.

yeah but it's more appropriate if you dont find 404

[zMuffinMan]

If I told my roommate I was going to the store to get milk and I came back after 5 minutes and went to my car and got bored and walked back inside then just my roommate has to get the milk. And they wasted the time waiting on you to tell them.

hey, dont leave us hanging by telling a story part way through

what happened with the milk in the end? did anyone ever end up getting it?

[zMuffinMan]

also what type of milk was it?

[zMuffinMan]

paranoid thought: if mathblade ends up being scum, im betting one of his partners got the milk and he's trying to avoid associations by not outing what type of milk it was

[zMuffinMan]

i actually tend to be lynchbait-y when i’m a vanilla townie

heh... you keep throwing out lines that make me all shifty-eyes

[zMuffinMan]

ah, that reminds me of one of the many things i didnt like about stungun's first post - the mention of reading his role

lol the town pm is virtually empty. why even mention that as something you read?

[zMuffinMan]

yeah i realised after i wrote that that you prob meant you read your predecessor's ISOs (that's not what you actually said though)

[zMuffinMan]

id say 60/40

[zMuffinMan]

i dont think that counts as funny, sakura

LAL

[zMuffinMan]

i didnt say healing is the only useful one, the others have utility, they just have much more scum utility than town utility

[zMuffinMan]

sakura voting a mason is

[zMuffinMan]

wtf? apparently there's a delayed amnesiac cop or something in the game? i just got a result from the mod saying creature is scum

weird

[zMuffinMan]

Please just stop faking guilties

i will sue you for slander

[zMuffinMan]

hmm that's really weird

just received another PM from the mod saying he's holding a batch of muffins hostage and the only way to release them is to get creature lynched today

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[zMuffinMan]

who did titus pick in her team?

ive

been paying attention so of course i know the answer already... ... ... but im testing whether any of

you

been paying attention... ... ...

[zMuffinMan]

what about cupcake and kokichi?

[zMuffinMan]

i can ask ankamius questions but i wouldnt know the answer to any of them

[zMuffinMan]

i dont like the fact that nancy would disregard muffins because someone said they might be stale

i cant think of a single town reason someone would do that

[zMuffinMan]

this fucking day phase is over 80 pages long and like 70 of those pages come from 8 players

fun times

[zMuffinMan]

if it were up to me, we'd spam another 80 pages of useless shit nobody cares about and then quick wagon a town player

oh wait, it's not up to me but that'll still probably happen

hf

[zMuffinMan]

Kokichi is anti-town and stupid but town because he is? That is superficial at best.

still probably true though

[zMuffinMan]

i want to lynch brian skies for putting this fucking mechanic in the game

would anyone support that lynch? i know it's late in the day but i believe it can happen

[zMuffinMan]

hmm, i have a theory that i want to test but i need all of you to help me out on this

could you each copy paste the following into your next post?

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the mod PMed me and told me that if everyone did this, town would win

so not doing this is basically an admission youre scum, i guess? at least according to the mod

[zMuffinMan]

the mod just PMed me and said we're on the right track but shiro needs to try again without the code tag

[zMuffinMan]

the mod PMed me and said you didn't get a PM from the mod so im pretty sure you just made that up

[zMuffinMan]

good thing the worst is on it then

[zMuffinMan]

hey sakura iso my recent posts for instructions
that reminds me, theres been a ton of scum claims

[zMuffinMan]

well i just don't see town motivation for voting a mason, sorry

[zMuffinMan]

how's your day been, the worst?

[zMuffinMan]

average. same ol' shit

ok. now you can add me to the list of people who engaged you (i dont like not being on lists)

[zMuffinMan]

how much will take to skim 10 to 15 pages every 48 hours?

we're at 90 pages in this day phase just over 8 RL days so it's hardly so it's closer to 11 pages every 24 hours but that's not the point. the point is that those pages are the same fucking people talking about shit no one else actually cares about

[zMuffinMan]

i wasnt making excuses for myself, i was explaining why the majority of the game (including all the people who replaced out) might not feel motivated to post or might feel like this game is difficult to get into. the fact that you have zero situational awareness and think that was me making excuses is hilarious to me

[zMuffinMan]

cupcake's more likely town than scum. that's all

creature is more likely scum than town. human sequencer has some awkward interactions with numbers. don't like the way creature's been sitting on sando. didn't really like the way he was sitting on mylo. dont like the rest of his reads

[zMuffinMan]

also personally i just dont give enough of a shit about this particular game to post any of my real thoughts publicly outside of whoever i feel like pushing, but the mass spamfest doesn't exactly motivate me to open this game thread

[zMuffinMan]

Maybe we have a different definition for spam.

i dont really care about playing semantics here. you have various people who replaced out because they couldnt get engaged in the game or couldnt keep up, you have various people currently telling you that theyre not reading most of the stuff or ASKING you guys to stop with the circlejerk. call it whatever you want

[zMuffinMan]

i dont actually know how to read titus - she's not a town read, i just don't know whether or not she's actually scum

FA is probably town but i stopped reading her posts over 150 pages ago

[zMuffinMan]

i dont mind the few posts of mathblade i've read

i had an incredibly slight town impression from rando's posts

[zMuffinMan]

90 pages of posts from a small pool of players and maybe 10 votes strewn across those pages

the same talking points over and over with no resolution and a large amount of that isn't even about people's alignments

show me what any of you have accomplished this day phase and i'll show you something that could have been resolved in 80 less pages (like, fuck, did we really need to start this day phase with 10 pages of people saying the SAME FUCKING SHIT about shiro and the medium? that's just a quick example of a waste of fucking space, the rest of this day phase hasn't been much better)

[zMuffinMan]

yet the two main lynch targets make cases on each other and no-one comments

gee, i fucking wonder why

maybe if it wasn't lost somewhere in a post around page 200 that got buried deep in between all the quote pyramids and people talking about things nobody but them cares about, people might have commented on it

it's lovely that you have people telling you they can't follow the game and instead of, i dunno, linking them to this brilliant case you apparently made so they don't have to scroll through pages of crap to find it, you double-down and say we shouldn't complain

what a fun game

[zMuffinMan]

yeah. good idea actually. didn't feel like burdening brian but i will anyway

@Mod, replace me

[zMuffinMan]

IM STILL TECHNICALLY IN THE GAME I THINK, LOL

{CREATURE,STUNGUN,DRIXX,WHOEVER THE FUCK ELSE IM FORGETTING MAYBE GAMMA}

E Z SOLVE

DUNNO BOUT TITUS SHE ALWAYS SEEMS LIKE SCUM BUT MIGHT NOT BE HERE LOL. STUNGUN WANTS THAT LYNCH TO GO THROUGH BUT STILL WANTS TO DISTANCE FROM CREATURE LOL SEEMS LIKE AN INDICATION OF THAT

CYA

WHISK ME AWAY TO THE LEAGUE OF ALISAE NOW, BRIAN