Forgotten Hourglass [Game Over]

[Dunnstral]

I scumread myloninja because he was actually putting effort into the game and this early - from my experience as town he just doesn't care and doesn't do that. But I didn't want to be that guy who voted him for putting effort in without knowing if he was just playing different/better

[Dunnstral]

There really isn't a reason to get mad at Brian for claiming, we don't know for a fact whether his claim was good or bad right now

[Dunnstral]

Why are you talking in all caps when people have said they find it annoying?

[Dunnstral]

Muffin, were you able to talk to Katsuki during the night or only once day 2 started?

[Dunnstral]

Did everyone in the last 5 pages miss out on Brian claiming doc? Hello?

[Dunnstral]

Chances of me voting the wagon wisdom is on is less than 0

Will you vote Professor Fridays? We have 1 day left

[Dunnstral]

Spiffeh I feel like you haven't grasped what happened and are just pushing

[Dunnstral]

I do believe he's lying about the cop, I don't believe that matters

[Dunnstral]

What I'm concerned with:

A doc claim is on Katsuki n1
There was no kill n1
Muffins neighborized Katsuki n1

I believe all of the above, whether the maf kill was actually on katsuki is yet to be seen. I don't believe the cop thing. I believe the information we have tells us not to lynch muffins

[Dunnstral]

dunn who the fuck kills katsuki n1

That's not what I'm arguing right now, we can't in good conscious power through this lynch without knowing for sure that he wasn't targeted

[Dunnstral]

We have 1 day left by the way

[Dunnstral]

Maybe poison is a scum faction ability like the kill?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Moment

Don't like him/her or MariaR rn. Hard townreading Katsuki, Brian Skies, and

Dunnstral

. Town lean on zMuffin, Wisdom.

The wagon on me is bad and seems opportunist.

It's hard to catch up on the 100+ pages I've missed, so naturally I've been quieter.

This seems weird

[Dunnstral]

So why did we move to tbg and kind of ignore Prof friday? I feel like they've been scummy for this last bit

[Dunnstral]

There's no poisoner

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Prof Fridays

The switch onto TBG was really shady yesterday and makes this slot look worse

Also I pointed out how their stance didn't really make sense yesterday

And it's the opposite of what Maria wanted so really it's a tripple whammy, all signs point here

[Dunnstral]

Also, non-consecutive night doctor seems a little on the weak side for what I was expecting out of main characters, strange

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

I believe it

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

I tracked him to the kill.

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There's no poisoner

If you're just saying that based off of the lack of two kills, I might not be so sure.

I believe Brian was killed after claiming doc rather than he was poisoned from the start, pretty big coincidence if he was poisoned

[Dunnstral]

(he cant have been poisoned since he was a doc)

Uh, how do you know docs can't be poisoned?

[Dunnstral]

It does say that actually

It seems more likely that there is no poisoner right now though

[Dunnstral]

By the way, anyone claiming poisoned? Its possible Brian was 'poisoned' yesterday. And then shot today after he didn't claim poisoned

Or, you know, after he claimed doctor

[Dunnstral]

hey Katsuki

What is your result?

stop

[Dunnstral]

If he's actually a cop

He's not and you feeding into it isn't helping

[Dunnstral]

Dunn if you don't think he's a cop why did you get off of Muffin yesterday?

oh my god

[Dunnstral]

He neighborized the guy who was potentially the scum night kill

TBG was talking about that too... why did you vote him if you weren't reading what he was posting?

I was wondering who could be clueless enough to actually go in for the nk on katsuki day 1 and I think I found my answer

Yeah you're looking pretty bad Spiffeh

[Dunnstral]

You're looking bad because you weren't following the conversation that was going on yesterday and instead pushed your own narrative to try to lynch muffin (likely town by mechanics if I'm understanding things correctly)

All the while the person you vote you hadn't even read the posts of, and the person you didn't vote also looks bad for other reasons

[Dunnstral]

Spiffeh I feel like you haven't grasped what happened and are just pushing

dunn spiff has pretty obviously read and has the same opinion as me on the matter

I do believe he's lying about the cop, I don't believe that matters

[Dunnstral]

ok, we can lynch muffin then after kokichi and before prof fridays

[Dunnstral]

I see that but Katsuki yet again lied to us and made us mislynch a town so whatever

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: wisdom this goes today

no it doesn't

[Dunnstral]

What are the reasons to scumread him in the first place that are apparently so strong that it takes an innocent to deny? I don't townread muffins, but like I've said; his play doesn't scream "scum" to me.

He lied about being in the neighborhood so that he wouldn't be lynched. He couldn't keep it up forever and thinks he's not getting lynched

His push on Maria is real bad and some of the things he's said or katsuki said makes no sense in context of them being neighborizor (he switched to saying his read on mariar wa sjust a reaction test or something? Doesn't seem town motivated)

[Dunnstral]

What neighborhood, muffin?

Why did you say you only got into the neighborhood at night and not during the day yesterday?

[Dunnstral]

Muffin's Nancy push was awful and I struggle to see how he wouldn't be able to recognize how obviously town she was if he were town. I don't believe for a second that push was genuine.

l o l youre fucking clueless

i wasnt scum reading her, there was a different purpose behind that but i dont really care enough to explain what i was doing there. just ask cupcake what my read on her was rofl

so muffins has been townreading her the whole game but i had been scumreading her and we went back and forth on that discussion for god knows how many pages so muffins was like you know what im gonna vote her and see what she does and i was like dude i already did that whole song and dance d1 and he was like but it doesnt work for me unless i do it myself and i was like sure whatever man do as you like and so he decided to claim the guilty result he got from the mod as a push to sort her and i went along with it because i was the one who was insistent on her being scum in the first place

not sure where that actually went come to think of it our qt progressed way faster than the game thread (for reference we both have like double our game post counts in the qt so we did far more game solving there than anyone has today) but the discussion probably went to figuring other stuff first and maria ended up being extremely obvious scum after examining her entire iso in conjucture with the events of this game and later on when i asked brian about it his reasoning matched part of our reasoning for her being scum so as a result we probably forgot about nancy, oh in the meantime tbg also posted a shit ton of sketchy posts and his posting throughout the entire day has been more or less awful and runs counter to my prior recollection of him as a player so he was a fine lynch if maria wasnt happening as there was too much resistance there, plus muffins case in the game re tbgs post restriction was on point

i hope those who complained about the use of left shift are happy

[Dunnstral]

Also, non-consecutive night doctor seems a little on the weak side for what I was expecting out of main characters, strange

VOTE: Kokichi Oma

I believe it

[Dunnstral]

Can you explain post 3006, Muffin?

[Dunnstral]

if im not the one who did it...

Then you went along with a lie to get out of being lynched day 1

[Dunnstral]

While being overall toxic

[Dunnstral]

Katsuki's already proven he's willing to lie to get his friend not lynched

I don't care what he claims on you because his motive is clear and he's likely a toxic liar

And no, I won't believe a loyal neighborizor claim.

[Dunnstral]

He fake claimed to save a friend

[Dunnstral]

Answer what Kokichi

[Dunnstral]

Why dont you want wisdom today.

He's not scummy and other people are

[Dunnstral]

Not falling for more ate Muffin, sorry

[Dunnstral]

I'm all full thanks, no more food for me

[Dunnstral]

Lynch all linguini's

No more fettuccine

[Dunnstral]

i legit do not know how you still think muffin is scum

Keep reading

[Dunnstral]

the logic of a muffin-kats scumteam eludes me

its like i get why it would make sense in someone's head

but i dont know why you would think it up in the first place

I don't think anybody said they were both scum

I certainly didn't say that

[Dunnstral]

If even one of their "scumreads" flip green then we can probably assume the other is town

Are you talking about muffins/katsuki?

Nope, one of them is town one is scum, probably

[Dunnstral]

That's nice

Your slot is 0 for 2 though so, and your tbh vote was bad

[Dunnstral]

I'm not lynching maria until I see you flip

There's a guilty on Kokichi so I'll keep my vote here

[Dunnstral]

If you're dying at the end of the day, is there any harm in fullclaiming?

Are you going to hard claim or no. Why are you scared?

Ironic

[Dunnstral]

If you flip cop and it's obvious that you checked maria then sure we can lynch her

Until that happens I wouldn't put it past you to fakeclaim so no

[Dunnstral]

oh, you don't flip cop?

fake claim

[Dunnstral]

hey guys
Guess who has a gun

VOTE: Nosferatu

we have three investigative claims

Somebody is fake claiming

[Dunnstral]

@Moment

You're fake claiming, right? I think you might be fake claiming and waiting for reactions but now is a good time to say something

[Dunnstral]

Out of all the playres in this game

the one I least expect

other than myself

to be fakeclaiming would be moment

He's the most logical player in this game.

uh

[Dunnstral]

I'm a gunsmith.

the plot thickens

[Dunnstral]

Would there really be a scum gunsmith? Trying to find the balance aspect with poisoner and roleblocker

Why do you think scum have a roleblocker?

[Dunnstral]

Thinking Nos looks the worst here

[Dunnstral]

Yeah, pretty sure this sequence of claims just caught him out in a fake claim as I'm not believing everyone is investigative here

[Dunnstral]

Anyways, I was going to ask about this earlier, before Katsuki's guilty; Dunnstral, would you mind elaborating on your townread on MariaR? I think it was Spiffeh who asked for reasons for her being scum and I wanted to talk a little about that and I think it would be useful to also hear why people townread her in the first place.

------

Katsuki's guilties are correct

dude. Still believing katsuki?

Well, that post was mostly a joke, but I'm not sure why I should be

ignoring

Katsuki here. Even if I take it that he's lying about his guilty, I still believe that MariaR is scum; it doesn't actually change anything for me when it comes to my willingness to vote her.

Sure

Pedit: Would you join a Dunnstral wagon Moment? I'm pretty confident on that atm prob 60% Why is the Nos wagon a thing too like I joined that to save Spiffy but I don't know what the whole thing for him is being scum.

Most likely not; I don't think I really recall any reasons for him being scum outside of Spiffy pointing out his apparent hypocrisy, which I don't think would be a reliable scumtell.

Alright. How do you feel about Purr Sakura and Brain?

First inside a quote I believe her saying she's 60% confident I'll flip scum is towny and I can understand how she would think I was different/scumread me there

Do i think she could jump on me as scum? Sure, but, to jump on me, then also go at odds with Purrcocet, Sakura, and Brian here, all of which she seems to know to a good degree - I don't think she goes for that

Mmm that's fine. Do you know why you read me as scummy for this game at least?

Because i feel like dunn's role makes no sense as a scum oriented role and you're pushing it real hard, I also had entirely the opposite opinion of Dunn wanting to help out by artificially extending the deadline, I thought it was towny. I think your stance on Nancy is quite easy, and I feel you are trying to sort me by looking at my interactions with other people instead of directly enganging me, which feels kind of unusual.

Why does a scum double voter not make sense to you? I'm pushing dunn for his play not his role I already disagreed with you on the deadline stuff so I get that. I don't feel like I've sorted you by interactions at all though I've looked at your posts and tried to determine if there towny or scummy.

Not mentioning my double vote when pushing me is a towntell - I feel as scum she'd have brought that up and tried to frame it as cause for concern

That's fine and I think he's scum. I have the most experience with him out of anyone here and I'm way more confident in my ability to read Dunnstral than anyone here. Now I've tried to explain why Dunn is scum and I can do it again if you want but I'm not gonna kick and scream like I did before.

Again, I think the push on me early comes from town, this is another quote that reaffirms that for me

Ok I'm done watching big brother I'm gonna let the thread breathe I'm clearly not going to get support on Dunnstral I think he's scum and nothing has shown me why his actions come from town dunn at all perhaps we'll visit it another day. I'm just annoyed for the most part because a major point of this style was so people would hopefully understand and listen to my reads more but it's the same old same old. I'll stay away from the thread for a bit
VOTE: Brian Skies

She talks about trying a new style a few times and that's another reason I townread her, I think she's more likely to try a new style here as town than scum.

Only reason I don't want to rly vote Kat is ate

The reaction to Katsuki AtE is very much like her town self

The whole Mylo defense thing is all more likely to come from town Maria than scum Maria, in my opinion, I thought she really looked like town there from my experiences playing with her

Damn, the entire scumteam is piling on Mylo according to MariaR?

Can you stop being a bitch?

More likely to come from town than scum (not impossible though)

VOTE: Mylo
w/e fuck this I'm out enjoy your town flip

I don't think she's faking anger/annoyance and I think that makes her town

She wouldn't get mad if Mylo was her scum buddy

I'm trying to type this without ate. I've wanted to fix my meta for a long time because I keep getting told I'm only good at scum and my town game is shit. So I'm trying really hard to prove that incorrect that I can have good town games. I don't mind getting told I'm incorrect or wrong and talking over why I'm wrong but I don't want to get talked too like I'm a moron it's a slap to the face

I'm gonna just cool off with games

This is almost certainly town Maria and not a scum ploy
She could be saying this stuff as scum, true, but I don't think it's nearly as likely, also I don't think she would be this upset

In most fakegod games it's 3 scum based off that logic bussing in stuff like this seems very stupid unless someone was very confident in there scum game that they could carry to the end and honestly no one in this playerlist strikes me as someone with an impressive scum game so I don't think that logic fits here.

Spoiler: lot of VCs

VoteCount 1.4

Nancy Drew 39 [2] - Katsuki, Nosferatu
Spiffeh [4] - Wisdom, Ankamius, Sakura Hana, Purrcocet
Sakura Hana [2] - projectmatt, Kokichi Oma
Katsuki [1] - Nancy Drew 39
Nosferatu [5] - Moment, TehBrawlGuy, Brian Skies, Dunnstral x2

Not Voting [4]

- MariaR, zMuffinMan, Spiffeh, Myloninja13

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.5

Nancy Drew 39 [2] - Katsuki, Nosferatu
Spiffeh [5] - Wisdom, Ankamius, Dunnstral x2, Sakura Hana
Sakura Hana [2] - projectmatt, Kokichi Oma
Katsuki [1] - Nancy Drew 39
Nosferatu [1] - TehBrawlGuy
Myloninja13 [1] - Brian Skies
Dunnstral [2] - Spiffeh, Purrcocet
MariaR [1] - Moment
Brian SKies [1] - MariaR

Not Voting [2]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.6

Nancy Drew 39 [1] - Katsuki
Spiffeh [2] - Wisdom, Ankamius
Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Katsuki [2] - Dunnstral x2
Nosferatu [6] - TehBrawlGuy, Sakura Hana, Moment, Brian Skies, Purrcocet, Nancy Drew 39
Brian SKies [1] - MariaR
Wisdom [2] - Nosferatu, Spiffeh
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma

Not Voting [2]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.7

Spiffeh [1] - Ankamius
Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Katsuki [2] - Nosferatu, Katsuki
Nosferatu [2] - TehBrawlGuy, Purrcocet
Brian Skies [1] - MariaR
Wisdom [2] - Spiffeh, Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma
Myloninja13 [4] - Wisdom, Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment

Not Voting [3]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13, Nancy Drew 39

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.8

Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Katsuki [1] - Katsuki
Nosferatu [4] - TehBrawlGuy, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet
Wisdom [2] - Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma
Myloninja13 [7] - Wisdom, Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh, MariaR

Not Voting [2]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.9

Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Nosferatu [2] - Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39
Wisdom [2] - Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma
Myloninja13 [8] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh, Purrcocet, Katsuki, Wisdom
projectmatt [1] - TehBrawlGuy

Not Voting [3]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13, MariaR

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

Vc's like 1.6 and 1.8 don't make me think Nos is scum but I think 1.6 to 1.7 is one of the more telling VC's in the set looking at said vote counts I think moment is one of the worser looking people in this. I was townreading them for how they were scumreading me for buddying and that's not really false but I'd like to hear if I'm coocoo or not for suspecting that I imagine'd they would be voting me here but it doesn't seem like they are. If they were I'd still believe the read but now it feels like something they just tried to bite into.
I still dislike Dunnstral but perhaps it's a case of me not understanding something so I'm calling it scummy? Like I still can see him flipping scum but the thing giving me cold feet is I can't see anything that I find scummy in his iso besides the early game play it's mostly nullish.
I'd like to know why people tr Purrcocet as well I doubt I'd get a lynch there but it is for sure someone in my sights of wanting to vote if I had to make a pool of suspects at the moment it'd be
(Purr Moment Muffin Dunn) but the problem here is as I said in the top part of my post I doubt scum bussed. If it was near the end of the day that's ok but early on like moment did I'm a bit "eh" on it's why brain isn't in my pool of suspects right now. if Muffin is scum like I'm thinking I doubt Sakura is
I don't get the project matt scumreads either unless it's based on vcs

This random logic dump that doesn't address anything in thread comes from town

This is me not wanting to play this game rn and dodging

Because of Katsuki; she's more likely town from this annoyance

Dunn what's with you btw? You've never ever been this interested with my slot before and by interested I mean try some sparky reply or ask a weird question on almost every post I make. Like you've

never

been like this before. In fact you normally don't talk about me at all

This post looks good

Cant wait for this town flip. Maybe after you will listen to me that Wisdom is obv maf

We talked about this KOKICHI use your words

why isn't anyone paying attention to me my CTRL-F is only hitting Muffin's signature now

Dw Spiffy I'm always here if you need me. In the pocket you go

spiff youre boring

OOF

Ankamius might actually be scum after all

+1

The timing of my/TBG pushes is suspicious af. I also really disliked Matt’s push on Moment. I can’t imagine anyone pushing a wagon on one player while presumably having a guilty on another.

Because the guilty is fake.

Muffins would never fake a guilty. It goes against the very fiber of his being.

How do you expect me to trust two people who were trying to mislynch me?

Mafia is a game about trust. The towns that work together are the one's that win together it's a team game based around talking theory etc people can be wrong and you need to figure out if it was scummy or just a mistake I don't think you shouldn't trust someone on the bases that they want to ml you before

I'm not speaking another language, just think wisdom is scum here based on meta. Considering I've played about 10 games with him at this point.

Can you point to a previous game that makes you think Wisdom is scum here and explain why?

This

Responses here all look towny to me

1) My confidence comes from liking to think people are decent human beings who wouldn't post stuff like kat did to get townread as scum. It's called having morals
2) I feel like the only time before this game where I've said the amount of you talking you do is AI before was as scum? The only other time I said it as town was years ago to get a reaction from you. Your words don't really mean much in the grand outlook because we just disagree. You can't really disprove my own reasoning for wanting to read you because it's wifom at the end of the day
3) If you're that naive to the way you come off to people sometimes I'm seriously worried about you
Pedit: @Wisom I think townreading someone for making a bad push is super weak and easily one of the fakest things you can do.

This is towny too

I'm gonna ignore kat and Muffins caps lock posting though unless they wanna give legit explanations I get Muffin is scum so they won't do that but meh it's annoying

PROVE IT

DEMONSTRATE IT RIGHT NOW BY UNVOTING THE MOD-CONFIRMED TOWN MUFFINS AND VOTE TBG

Your gimmick isn't cute. If you were gonna cop anyone it'd be the person who almost made you rage.
Cop me next while you're at it. But you're not a cop so

She really looks like town in her dealings with Katsuki and Muffin around here

I get you want to circlejerk with your friend so you wanna make an obv fake inno and sure go for it but post legit content along with it and not just "get off my inno" that isn't real. Get it over with chop chop. If you won't lynch your friend that badly at least pretend to be playing thanks

And here

At this point i just wanna lynch both Muffin and Kats to stop the caps spam.

Like seriously it's annoying me.

If you guys are gonna behave like this then i rather you be dead.

^^^^^^

And here, I don't believe these are stances she takes as scum

I don't believe kat was the nk of all things

No one is saying to lynch kat.
I'm staying on muffin

Get off the throne you think you're on

Get off the throne you think you're on

Oh no! Is Maria mad because she's about to lose her buddy now that her designated mislynches are being taken off the table?

However can I atone for my sins?

Should I prostrate myself to you by putting my pants over my head and mislynching town slots for you?

You call people bad because they don't agree with you and discredit them and shut them down for it. Instead of explaining why you just feel the need to insult people. So when you feel like playing mafia and not the game of lord brain lmk

I don't believe Kat or Muffin at all is the thing it has nothing to do with the claims I think they're acting like this just to be toxic asshats and now you're joining in

YOURE FRUSTRATING TO PLAY WITH WHEN

THE IRONYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

The friendgroup is salty it's getting lynched the horror *eye roll*

I’m just gonna sit on Muffin and check back near deadline if I need to condense on someone

I think lynching anyone other than him is a mistake and I’m sad what I believe to be a fake cop result is dissuading people from wanting him to die

^

Muffin you just saying I'm scum isn't doing anything. You should be explaining your sentences and focus on that instead of the overall toxic gameplay. When I played with you before you were obv town so fast and here I'm not seeing it I'm seeing 2 dif people and that logic and the way you were pushing on obv town in a way that didn't seem to be a way to figure out there alignment doesn't feel towny to me. Now it's your turn.

And this all comes from town

There's a lot of my own meta and experience mixed in with this but this shows what I'm thinking

I'm confident that Maria is town here, so yeah katsuki is fake claiming and they should feel bad for doing it to the one person who thought they had morals

[Dunnstral]

And in regards to the gunsmiths:

I think Moment/Kokichi/Wisdom all look like town

I had reason to suspect Nos already, them having a gun (regardless of gs claim) makes me want to lynch there today

VOTE: Nosferatu

[Dunnstral]

@mod Katsuki is posting in caps again

[Dunnstral]

As for your claim I don't believe "3 shot cop that flips as not cop" for a second

When you flip we're ignoring your reads - because that's what they are, they're not investigative results and you're being toxic by insisting that it is

[Dunnstral]

We might as well massclaim right?

I don't think that's required to proceed with today

[Dunnstral]

Did the prequel to this game have a similarly gimmicky set up?

Yes, there were multiple vanilla cops

[Dunnstral]

Also, Katsuki fakeclaimed a guilty in that game

[Dunnstral]

Did the prequel to this game have a similarly gimmicky set up?

At this point I find it pretty unbelievable that Kokichi wouldn’t put a guilty as town without much set up information, and instead just tunnel his guilty all day?

There’s having a guilty and claiming it, or there’s identifying that it’s an odd set up and playing it normally. Choosing not to put but also tunneling the slot is an odd choice.

I thought his response to pressure was pretty towny

We can at least assume that if he was scum he didn't submit the kill or the poison

[Dunnstral]

We can at least assume that if he was scum he didn't submit the kill or the poison

Scratch the poison part, all we can assume is that he didn't target brian with the kill for his reaction

[Dunnstral]

Like it seems like he’s scum who got a guilty result but knows it’s a mislymvh so he doesn’t want to claim it knowing he’ll look bad upon Wisdom’s town flip?

Except a gunsmith with a false positive doesn't "look bad" when their role is pretty much proven

No more than a cop that targets a miller

[Dunnstral]

I'm actually misremembering my reasons to suspect nos when I was talking about gunsmiths a bit ago, I think that was about Spiffeh instead before other info came out

[Dunnstral]

I think Nosferatu is obvtown by play

How?

[Dunnstral]

the only reason dunnstral thinks mariar is town is because he's friends with her

literally none of those things are town rofl

Interesting stance since I don't think you've ever issued a 2nd scumread

[Dunnstral]

let's hear it

[Dunnstral]

Oh,so you fakeclaimed two guilties in that game and two results in this game

[Dunnstral]

Also, you're arguing that it's ok that you fake claimed a guilty because it was on scum instead of arguing that you're not fake claiming in this game

[Dunnstral]

You fake claimed two

I never said you fake claimed a town read, you're fake claiming cop results

[Dunnstral]

hm. So kokichi and nos have guns, meaning the poisoner isnt in there

Why wouldn't the poisoner have a gun?

[Dunnstral]

nevermind, scratch that

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE: Nosferatu

[Dunnstral]

I remembered I saw Nosferatu crumb his investigative result

He's probably town though he's misunderstanding his result

[Dunnstral]

Unless we think scum gunsmith crumbs results too, which is a possibility I guess

Benefit of the doubt here though

[Dunnstral]

let's hear it

@Muffinz I'm asking you for a second scumread

[Dunnstral]

Sorry if you're town TBG I hope you're not

I am.

also I hate to do this, since you're trying to be nice, but because it's still technically twilight I kinda hate this post

it's pretty lamist and I feel like my run-up and post-hammer posts should be super obvtown, and this is doing a bad job faking uncertainty

idk man I still have a wincon and you're in my scumpool

if it helps you in ur passing

ive got 0% uncertainty that ur wrong here

i dont want u to go into spec thread with confidence in that

[Dunnstral]

Well, it's been an exciting Day 3! I believe Katsuki. It also makes a lot of sense to have a Cop if there's a Poisoner and a bunch of Gunsmiths. I wanna see Nos claim - not sure why everyone seems to be giving him the benefit of the doubt already.

VOTE: MariaR

Not sure why we wouldn't lynch the claimed guilty while we can? Lynching in the gunsmiths seems bad to me today. Also, if MariaR isn't Poisoner and Katsuki is indeed telling the truth, that could be real bad for town, as there likely won't a way to find the Poisoner by night action.

This guy is scum

[Dunnstral]

We dont lynch in gunsmiths because we can poisoner hunt with it. We dont lynch Maria cause once kat is dead we will see if hes actually cop.

*clap*

VOTE: Prof Fridays

[Dunnstral]

When you flip we're ignoring your reads - because that's what they are, they're not investigative results and you're being toxic by insisting that it is

Why? I think we should consider the opportunity cost of disregarding Katsuki.

I'm trying to approach this from an objective standpoint despite my preexisting scumread on Maria. I don't think it's naive of me to say any of this.

I don't have time right now to respond fully to your other post, but hopefully I should soon.

Just do me a favor and completely ignore katsuki today, lynch someone else, then see what Katsuki flips, then we can talk about it

[Dunnstral]

"Not sure why we wouldn't lynch the claimed guilty while we can?"

We can lynch the 'claimed guilty' day 4 if we want
The way you just hop onto it is scummy because Katsuki is fake claiming his result and Maria is town

Also your TBG vote yesterday was bad + the way the wagon got off of you yesterday was bad

[Dunnstral]

And like I said, that one line you said about suspecting people on your wagon really didn't make sense

[Dunnstral]

there should be one scum in the gunsmiths
In minuet one of the vanilla cops was scum too

Also yeah this is setup spec that we don't know is true
Maybe Fakegod didn't want to be predictable this game

[Dunnstral]

Just do me a favor and completely ignore katsuki today, lynch someone else, then see what Katsuki flips, then we can talk about it

Suppose Katsuki dies and flips exactly as he's claimed. Does that actually change anything for you? I don't get the sense that it would. That, along with the possibility that I die during the night make me somewhat averse to just putting it off a day.

If he flips cop I'll look at Maria

I don't think he's going to

[Dunnstral]

maria a claim can't hurt

We don't need a claim, we need to figure out who we're lynching

[Dunnstral]

If he flips cop I'll look at Maria

I don't think he's going to

He's already said that he won't explicitly flip cop (Neighbourizing JOAT, if I recall correctly). I'm not sure how this is meant to be convincing me to wait until tomorrow.

I'm waiting to see what he flips

"Not sure why we wouldn't lynch the claimed guilty while we can?"

We can lynch the 'claimed guilty' day 4 if we want
The way you just hop onto it is scummy because Katsuki is fake claiming his result and Maria is town

You seem awfully confident of that. I trust Katsuki, myself. Call me crazy; I'm fine with joining the psychopath on this one.

Also your TBG vote yesterday was bad + the way the wagon got off of you yesterday was bad

Sure, but I didn't want to lynch conftown (me). Can you blame me?

And like I said, that one line you said about suspecting people on your wagon really didn't make sense

Made sense to me. It was a cheap shot IMO, given I replaced in late in the Day cycle.

I am confident, that's why you're not pushing this lynch through

[Dunnstral]

If he flips cop I'll look at Maria

I don't think he's going to

He's already said that he won't explicitly flip cop (Neighbourizing JOAT, if I recall correctly). I'm not sure how this is meant to be convincing me to wait until tomorrow.

He either flips something that can believably have a cop result and we talk about it

Or he flips with no cop ability at all

Now figure out who else you're willing to lynch

[Dunnstral]

Muffin wasn't the doc save

[Dunnstral]

and caps

[Dunnstral]

oh yeah you like claimed a guilty

ok

someone claimed a guilty on you too, this is bad reasoning

[Dunnstral]

Why arent we lynching the guilty.

Because it's Katsuki

[Dunnstral]

Katsuki fake claimed once in Minuet's Trio and even that got us a scum lynch, but i dont think it's a fake claim.

*Twice
And he fake claimed on town too, why is everyone forgetting this?
And saying "he fakeclaimed on scum" doesn't mean anything here - are you suggesting he's fake claiming on scum again...? Because ultimately he's still fake claiming and you would need to give reads to show why you're voting

[Dunnstral]

Ah right.
Katsuki fake claimed a guilty on Dunn back on Minuet's Trio, I guess that's why Dunn dislikes Katsuki so much.

I dislike Katsuki because he came into this game and said he'd gamethrow and started acting like a brat

I don't appreciate the shade here when you've played through the same game as me and complained about his caps posting

[Dunnstral]

I'm not ignoring it because I dislike him, I'm ignoring it because I don't believe him

[Dunnstral]

There's no gaurantee that there is scum in gunsmiths btw

[Dunnstral]

I don't think there was a fake guilty on TBG

[Dunnstral]

the one I least expect other than myself to be fakeclaiming would be moment

[Dunnstral]

(hint: think about the mindset behind the above post)

[Dunnstral]

If he really is cop you'll see it when he's done being poisoned at day end

You took her quote way out of context

She isn't considering that he can be cop, she's making an argument for why you should wait to see the flip

[Dunnstral]

I FAKECLAIMED A GUILTY

Hey muffinz, can you tell me about the mindset in the above psot?

[Dunnstral]

She didn't say it, you took part of the sentance apart, your assertion here has as much validity as me pointing to 3523 and trying to use that as proof

[Dunnstral]

You can't take words out of context like in 3517 and point to it and say "look at the mindset"

That's misleading, it doesn't show what she was actually saying, she's speaking so that somebody who isn't her can understand it

[Dunnstral]

YES I FAKECLAIMED A GUILTY

okay, this isn't something that somebody who was telling the truth about cop results would say.

[Dunnstral]

so what exactly do you think cupcake's role is?

Neighborizor

[Dunnstral]

inb4 "that's not a main character role"

We haven't seen him flip main character yet

[Dunnstral]

If he flips joat I'll take another look

Until then I have no intention of going along with what he is saying

[Dunnstral]

she's making an argument for why you should wait to see the flip

(that doesn't matter, why would she say that in the first place?)

Why would Katsuki say this:

YES I FAKECLAIMED A GUILTY

[Dunnstral]

Even if Katsuki's fake claiming MariaR scumslipped, nice one i didnt see that one muffin.

I could make a case that you 'slipped' the same way here

Even if Katsuki's fake claiming

I thought you believed Katsuki? What is the point of mind here?

[Dunnstral]

i believe that Katsuki is the role he is claiming.

Even if Katsuki's fake claiming

That's right, now sit down Sakura

[Dunnstral]

If you're going to get into semantics then explain to me why does a town player leave open the possibility that Katsuki's telling the truth about the guilty on them.

She doesn't.

Let's look at what she says:

My logic is still sound regardless, if scum had any reason to disbelieve Katsuki, then Katsuki wouldn't be poisoned, ergo, Dunn and muffin are town, possibly Wisdom too.
MariaR is also scum.

Katsuki is fake claiming period.

If he really is cop

you'll see it when he's done being poisoned at day end I know I'm town at most I live for one more day.

We get the pools figured out and decide what pool to lynch in

Seems pretty clear that she doesn't believe the claim. She's telling you to lynch not her today because if katsuki were cop you'd see it on his flip and could lynch her the next day

[Dunnstral]

i believe that Katsuki is the role he is claiming.

Even if Katsuki's fake claiming

That's right, now sit down Sakura

Now it's your turn

This is literally what you just accused MariaR of doing, so you'd better explain yourself. Do you believe Katsuki, or do you think he can be fake claiming?

[Dunnstral]

Oh.
So that's what happens when people leave out parts of quotes.

I said this like 4 times

[Dunnstral]

Oh.
So that's what happens when people leave out parts of quotes.

In any case, I still believe the guilty.

OK. But I don't, so I'm not going to let us lynch MariaR. We can sit here until deadline and see who gets rushed up or we can talk about other people, your call

[Dunnstral]

You act as if I'm the one championing MariaR's lynch. I simply believe Katsuki and think it better to lynch confscum now than wait. That is a highly reasonable stance to take, I think.

And so does Prof Fridays

This line is scummy btw

[Dunnstral]

I don't think any of our gunsmith claims are scum

The ones we have right now at least

[Dunnstral]

Muffin why couldn’t you post like this for the entire game?

That's just how he plays.
Also do u have any comments about Katsuki getting poisoned after claiming a cop inno on muffin even tho everyone gave him shit for it and tried to lynch muffin anyways?

Uh

You're forgetting that Katsuki was supposedly doctored day 1
I'm also assuming brian was poisoned day 1 but resistant due to being doctor

So really they meant to kill him day 1, not after muffins results, and they would have had other reasons to poison him today

[Dunnstral]

OK. But I don't, so I'm not going to let us lynch MariaR. We can sit here until deadline and see who gets rushed up or we can talk about other people, your call

By my count I'm pretty sure there are enough people willing to vote Maria for a lynch to go through there. It depends on how 2 out of 3 of Nancy, Nosferatu (who has been interestingly silent on the subject of MariaR; maybe I really could have been three for three?), and Matt are willing to vote.

None of those people have really commented on MariaR (or I missed it) so I couldn't say

[Dunnstral]

even if i completely ignore cupcake and assume he's fake-claiming, mariar has been playing a pretty textbook scum game

this is disregarding stuff like my interpretation of the quote from earlier (which still doesnt make sense no matter how you try to explain it away as her suggesting a hypothetical)

her actions around the mylo wagon (not the fact that she town read him, but why she apparently did, what she was saying about why and the feigned frustration in the vote on him while asserting he would flip town)

the double-think required to go from thinking, for example, that dunnstral and i were scum for wanting mylo lynched (suggesting it's a mislynch) to thinking dunnstral and i are still scum the following day after it turns out to be a scum flip just reinforces the fact that she never really thought what she thought

and things like that vacuous string of "catchup" posts she did yesterday, where she quoted a bunch of things and then said very little that actually mattered and what little she did say that mattered wasn't stellar

and her actions towards the end of the day yesterday, especially around TBG

are all indicative of scum

and your reasons for town-reading her are poor

All I can say is I disagree with all of that and she wouldn't have played that way as scum unless she was genuinely angry

[Dunnstral]

Nosferatu needs to talk more about why he thinks Kokichi is scum if he believes that because I'm not seeing it from his reaction to Moment today and there's no momentum there or anything

[Dunnstral]

Hm. The person who claimed this guilty asking why you're voting there doesn't give you pause?

ive got no better place to put it at the moment and i believe the act of voting/unvoting is more important than where your vote is, so I don't really feel like unvoting.

oh yeah you like claimed a guilty

ok

someone claimed a guilty on you too, this is bad reasoning

ur ignoring the fact that I didn't have a guilty when the day started
and that while I claimed the fact that I had a gun, kokichi did not, and immediately assumed that it was a fakeclaim.
the circumstances for the two are totally different

@nancy: please stop taking it personally when someone calls you out for saying stupid shit tia. It happens to literally everyone every game.

This post

[Dunnstral]

ok but did you see

ive got no better place to put it at the moment and i believe the act of voting/unvoting is more important than where your vote is, so I don't really feel like unvoting.

ok

I disagree with that but I see your viewpoint

[Dunnstral]

I'm starting to think Dunn is just being bias.

Bias on what?

[Dunnstral]

I'm biased that Katsuki is fake claiming because he fake claimed before? I mean, sure

and because MariaR is your friend.

I'd vote her if I thought she was scum...

[Dunnstral]

He fake claimed in this very game

[Dunnstral]

About the neighborhood and admitted to it

[Dunnstral]

I wanted to lynch Muffin the day before though, I only backed off because I learned he was a neighborizor

You switched from saying I'm biased to defending Katsuki fake claiming

[Dunnstral]

Gee is like... i wonder why he fake claims in the first place.

(hint: think about the mindset behind the above post)

[Dunnstral]

IF cupcake is fake-claiming, it has nothing to do with spite

counter claim

[Dunnstral]

Ugh, no this confirms MariaR as scum I think (she pretended not to have a neighborhood pt)

[Dunnstral]

Anyone check PJM yet? If not that's my check tonight.

u should check someone else

PJM seems like a good check to me

[Dunnstral]

(oh and dunnstral is in that first list too iirc)

What's noteworthy is that I'm proven double voter and non-main character

So setup wise that points to me not being the poisoner I think, and yeah I don't have a gun

[Dunnstral]

(gunsmiths targeting whoever isn't of particular importance but {matt, nancy, prof, mariar, purr} are the unchecked people who have either not claimed or claimed to not have a gun)

(and id rather day not end before matt checks in)

(and i want to hear something from cupcake)

(oh and dunnstral is in that first list too iirc)

[Dunnstral]

Somebody check prof fridays please

[Dunnstral]

i checked matt he doesn't have any guns

You're a gunsmith?

[Dunnstral]

Um doesn’t Katsuki’s neighborhood with Brian Skies confirm that he is lying about the guilty?

WAit what?

[Dunnstral]

So the neighborhood wasn't with Maria? Wow

He lied about his guilty. Get your votes off Maria

[Dunnstral]

No he's not right

Get off of Maria, it's not happening this game

[Dunnstral]

The more u want ppl to get off mariar the more i want to vote her again.

You're 0/2

Katsuki confirmed lying and tbg flipped town

Please stop talking about what you want to do, because I don't care and it's not happening and you trying to ride the fake guilty to the end while your posting suggests you think he could be faking is terrible

[Dunnstral]

Yeah no

The age of fake guilties is over

Prof Fridays needs to go

[Dunnstral]

No. Tbg flipped town then you got caught wrong on katsuki telling the truth

[Dunnstral]

Katsuki probably has to use his ability on the same person he neighborized.

He tried to fake a neighborhood with MariaR

[Dunnstral]

To clarify, I mean his cop shot on muffin is probably real

The Maria one is definitely fake

I agree

[Dunnstral]

@Purrcocet unvote please
@Nosferatu unvote please
@Wisdom unvote please
@Moment unvote please

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, truthfully, have you never been fooled by scum MariaR?

Shut up

You realize I was so sure in town Maria that I called Katsuki out on fake claiming and never let go?

I'm not wrong on my read here

[Dunnstral]

I honestly thought he was fake claiming because he just wanted me out of the game so I took a break from the thread

I have a REALLY hard time believing Maria actually felt that way

Especially when she's seen how Katsuki interacted with Dunnstral who he genuinely seems to dislike

I mean, it's what actually happened so

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral I don’t think saying “you’re wrong” to any reason for scumreading Maria is going to be all in getting people to townread her

If you don’t think Maria should be lynched convince me why someone else should be

Prof friday's content is awful

"Not sure why we wouldn't lynch the claimed guilty while we can?"

We can lynch the 'claimed guilty' day 4 if we want
The way you just hop onto it is scummy because Katsuki is fake claiming his result and Maria is town

You seem awfully confident of that. I trust Katsuki, myself. Call me crazy; I'm fine with joining the psychopath on this one.

Also your TBG vote yesterday was bad + the way the wagon got off of you yesterday was bad

Sure, but I didn't want to lynch conftown (me). Can you blame me?

And like I said, that one line you said about suspecting people on your wagon really didn't make sense

Made sense to me. It was a cheap shot IMO, given I replaced in late in the Day cycle.

You act as if I'm the one championing MariaR's lynch. I simply believe Katsuki and think it better to lynch confscum now than wait. That is a highly reasonable stance to take, I think.

Especially the second quote here is a gut read, looks like something scum says

The day before, we couldn't lynch prof friday and the wagon movement turned to tbg instead even though they were fairly towny

[Dunnstral]

But at the very least.
I admit that im not good at reading her.

And I'm confident on my read here

Why do you think I'm wrong? You think I'm biased because she's my friend? If I thought she was scum I'd lynch her, if I was less sure on my read I wouldn't push against the "guilty"

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral I don’t think saying “you’re wrong” to any reason for scumreading Maria is going to be all in getting people to townread her

If you don’t think Maria should be lynched convince me why someone else should be

And guess what

It being proven that Katsuki was lying and off the back of a MODKILL people saying "katsuki is a good player we should sheep him" pisses me off and looks like people want to push a lynch through before momentum falls

[Dunnstral]

@nancy

flavour claim (not role, i want to know your character) in your next post

No

You're done running this show

[Dunnstral]

No one needs to claim anything. Just gunsmiths on who they are checking.

^^^^

[Dunnstral]

Hey MariaR

to get back into the game, can we take a look at Prof Friday's posting during today

[Dunnstral]

@nancy

flavour claim (not role, i want to know your character) in your next post

What does a flavour claim even accomplish, by the way?

[Dunnstral]

Purr can you unvote MariaR for now? Can we talk about Prof Fridays?

[Dunnstral]

I would actually endorse a mass flavor claim.

I know nothing about the flavour, have they been tied to roles at all this game?

[Dunnstral]

And purr, who was your other gunsmith check?

[Dunnstral]

Guns: Kokichi, Nosferatu, Moment, Wisdom, Purrcocet
All gunsmith claims

No guns: Assuming everybody else right now. Projectmatt may need to check in and Prof Friday should clarify

[Dunnstral]

I'm not opposed to a mass flavor claim

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral, who is

Suspenseful Third Day

, is not a

Main Character

.

Ankamius, who is

H

, is not a

Main Character

.

Nosferatu, who is

Ark of Desire

, is not a

Main Character

.

I just realized prof fridays isn't a main character

[Dunnstral]

Do you guys want to know why they call me suspenseful third day

That's why

[Dunnstral]

I agree

But I just caught that he is probably not poisoner

I wouldn't be opposed to lynching them regardless but we should consider other options now

[Dunnstral]

i checked matt he doesn't have any guns

Hmmm. Purr outing now is suspect as hell.

boi if i was scum u know id use my cute cuddliness to win the game, even muffin would give me a pass
nah i also checked maria last nite and she has no guns

Oh, he did give his second result

[Dunnstral]

Purr can you unvote Maria :(

[Dunnstral]

Kokichi if you're going to argue that I'm biased to townread then I'll argue you're biased to scumread Maria

[Dunnstral]

Kokichi's flip on me is super super sus and I would most likely lynch him today if I had my chance in gunsmiths

You should be a comedian

Hammer me then.

Can we please not

[Dunnstral]

Kokichi's a person that has had accuracy reading MariaR

I really disagree with this

You pointing to every which person trying to find a person to sheep to scumread Maria is bias/bad

[Dunnstral]

matt is the only MC candidate left (apart from purr if hes lying about gunsmith) fyi

How did you get this?

[Dunnstral]

Why can't, say, nancy be main character? Townreads aside, is it a flavor thing?

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Muffins

[Dunnstral]

also if anyone is stupid enough to think i asked for the neighbourhoods to be released today when people were thinking mariar was caught in a lie, then there's no helping you

Neighborhoods releasing when he died was part of his role

[Dunnstral]

The only reason we didn't lynch muffins was because he 1) fake claimed neighborizor
2) fake claimed inno

He then went on to 3) fake claim a guilty on MariaR (he knew it was fake)

So why aren't we lynching him? It's ok to be a trash player if it's katsuki and muffins?

[Dunnstral]

I haven't read the whole neighborhood yet, I've read the brian one

[Dunnstral]

And I like his Maria push

You like him fake claiming a guilty on maria, devolving the thread into toxicity?

[Dunnstral]

No the reasons he listed for Maria being scum when he actually explained his scum read

You know the ones you said were wrong and moved on

those were good

ok

Meanwhile, I gave numerous reasons why MariaR is town, people said I was wrong and moved on

[Dunnstral]

the only reason dunnstral thinks mariar is town is because he's friends with her

literally none of those things are town rofl

[Dunnstral]

Anyways, I was going to ask about this earlier, before Katsuki's guilty; Dunnstral, would you mind elaborating on your townread on MariaR? I think it was Spiffeh who asked for reasons for her being scum and I wanted to talk a little about that and I think it would be useful to also hear why people townread her in the first place.

------

Katsuki's guilties are correct

dude. Still believing katsuki?

Well, that post was mostly a joke, but I'm not sure why I should be

ignoring

Katsuki here. Even if I take it that he's lying about his guilty, I still believe that MariaR is scum; it doesn't actually change anything for me when it comes to my willingness to vote her.

Sure

Pedit: Would you join a Dunnstral wagon Moment? I'm pretty confident on that atm prob 60% Why is the Nos wagon a thing too like I joined that to save Spiffy but I don't know what the whole thing for him is being scum.

Most likely not; I don't think I really recall any reasons for him being scum outside of Spiffy pointing out his apparent hypocrisy, which I don't think would be a reliable scumtell.

Alright. How do you feel about Purr Sakura and Brain?

First inside a quote I believe her saying she's 60% confident I'll flip scum is towny and I can understand how she would think I was different/scumread me there

Do i think she could jump on me as scum? Sure, but, to jump on me, then also go at odds with Purrcocet, Sakura, and Brian here, all of which she seems to know to a good degree - I don't think she goes for that

Mmm that's fine. Do you know why you read me as scummy for this game at least?

Because i feel like dunn's role makes no sense as a scum oriented role and you're pushing it real hard, I also had entirely the opposite opinion of Dunn wanting to help out by artificially extending the deadline, I thought it was towny. I think your stance on Nancy is quite easy, and I feel you are trying to sort me by looking at my interactions with other people instead of directly enganging me, which feels kind of unusual.

Why does a scum double voter not make sense to you? I'm pushing dunn for his play not his role I already disagreed with you on the deadline stuff so I get that. I don't feel like I've sorted you by interactions at all though I've looked at your posts and tried to determine if there towny or scummy.

Not mentioning my double vote when pushing me is a towntell - I feel as scum she'd have brought that up and tried to frame it as cause for concern

That's fine and I think he's scum. I have the most experience with him out of anyone here and I'm way more confident in my ability to read Dunnstral than anyone here. Now I've tried to explain why Dunn is scum and I can do it again if you want but I'm not gonna kick and scream like I did before.

Again, I think the push on me early comes from town, this is another quote that reaffirms that for me

Ok I'm done watching big brother I'm gonna let the thread breathe I'm clearly not going to get support on Dunnstral I think he's scum and nothing has shown me why his actions come from town dunn at all perhaps we'll visit it another day. I'm just annoyed for the most part because a major point of this style was so people would hopefully understand and listen to my reads more but it's the same old same old. I'll stay away from the thread for a bit
VOTE: Brian Skies

She talks about trying a new style a few times and that's another reason I townread her, I think she's more likely to try a new style here as town than scum.

Only reason I don't want to rly vote Kat is ate

The reaction to Katsuki AtE is very much like her town self

The whole Mylo defense thing is all more likely to come from town Maria than scum Maria, in my opinion, I thought she really looked like town there from my experiences playing with her

Damn, the entire scumteam is piling on Mylo according to MariaR?

Can you stop being a bitch?

More likely to come from town than scum (not impossible though)

VOTE: Mylo
w/e fuck this I'm out enjoy your town flip

I don't think she's faking anger/annoyance and I think that makes her town

She wouldn't get mad if Mylo was her scum buddy

I'm trying to type this without ate. I've wanted to fix my meta for a long time because I keep getting told I'm only good at scum and my town game is shit. So I'm trying really hard to prove that incorrect that I can have good town games. I don't mind getting told I'm incorrect or wrong and talking over why I'm wrong but I don't want to get talked too like I'm a moron it's a slap to the face

I'm gonna just cool off with games

This is almost certainly town Maria and not a scum ploy
She could be saying this stuff as scum, true, but I don't think it's nearly as likely, also I don't think she would be this upset

In most fakegod games it's 3 scum based off that logic bussing in stuff like this seems very stupid unless someone was very confident in there scum game that they could carry to the end and honestly no one in this playerlist strikes me as someone with an impressive scum game so I don't think that logic fits here.

Spoiler: lot of VCs

VoteCount 1.4

Nancy Drew 39 [2] - Katsuki, Nosferatu
Spiffeh [4] - Wisdom, Ankamius, Sakura Hana, Purrcocet
Sakura Hana [2] - projectmatt, Kokichi Oma
Katsuki [1] - Nancy Drew 39
Nosferatu [5] - Moment, TehBrawlGuy, Brian Skies, Dunnstral x2

Not Voting [4]

- MariaR, zMuffinMan, Spiffeh, Myloninja13

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.5

Nancy Drew 39 [2] - Katsuki, Nosferatu
Spiffeh [5] - Wisdom, Ankamius, Dunnstral x2, Sakura Hana
Sakura Hana [2] - projectmatt, Kokichi Oma
Katsuki [1] - Nancy Drew 39
Nosferatu [1] - TehBrawlGuy
Myloninja13 [1] - Brian Skies
Dunnstral [2] - Spiffeh, Purrcocet
MariaR [1] - Moment
Brian SKies [1] - MariaR

Not Voting [2]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.6

Nancy Drew 39 [1] - Katsuki
Spiffeh [2] - Wisdom, Ankamius
Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Katsuki [2] - Dunnstral x2
Nosferatu [6] - TehBrawlGuy, Sakura Hana, Moment, Brian Skies, Purrcocet, Nancy Drew 39
Brian SKies [1] - MariaR
Wisdom [2] - Nosferatu, Spiffeh
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma

Not Voting [2]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.7

Spiffeh [1] - Ankamius
Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Katsuki [2] - Nosferatu, Katsuki
Nosferatu [2] - TehBrawlGuy, Purrcocet
Brian Skies [1] - MariaR
Wisdom [2] - Spiffeh, Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma
Myloninja13 [4] - Wisdom, Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment

Not Voting [3]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13, Nancy Drew 39

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.8

Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Katsuki [1] - Katsuki
Nosferatu [4] - TehBrawlGuy, Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39, Purrcocet
Wisdom [2] - Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma
Myloninja13 [7] - Wisdom, Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh, MariaR

Not Voting [2]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

VoteCount 1.9

Sakura Hana [1] - projectmatt
Nosferatu [2] - Ankamius, Nancy Drew 39
Wisdom [2] - Dunnstral x2
zMuffinMan [1] - Kokichi Oma
Myloninja13 [8] - Sakura Hana, Brian Skies, Moment, Nosferatu, Spiffeh, Purrcocet, Katsuki, Wisdom
projectmatt [1] - TehBrawlGuy

Not Voting [3]

- zMuffinMan, Myloninja13, MariaR

With 17 alive it takes 9 votes to lynch.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2018-07-26 15:00:00)

Vc's like 1.6 and 1.8 don't make me think Nos is scum but I think 1.6 to 1.7 is one of the more telling VC's in the set looking at said vote counts I think moment is one of the worser looking people in this. I was townreading them for how they were scumreading me for buddying and that's not really false but I'd like to hear if I'm coocoo or not for suspecting that I imagine'd they would be voting me here but it doesn't seem like they are. If they were I'd still believe the read but now it feels like something they just tried to bite into.
I still dislike Dunnstral but perhaps it's a case of me not understanding something so I'm calling it scummy? Like I still can see him flipping scum but the thing giving me cold feet is I can't see anything that I find scummy in his iso besides the early game play it's mostly nullish.
I'd like to know why people tr Purrcocet as well I doubt I'd get a lynch there but it is for sure someone in my sights of wanting to vote if I had to make a pool of suspects at the moment it'd be
(Purr Moment Muffin Dunn) but the problem here is as I said in the top part of my post I doubt scum bussed. If it was near the end of the day that's ok but early on like moment did I'm a bit "eh" on it's why brain isn't in my pool of suspects right now. if Muffin is scum like I'm thinking I doubt Sakura is
I don't get the project matt scumreads either unless it's based on vcs

This random logic dump that doesn't address anything in thread comes from town

This is me not wanting to play this game rn and dodging

Because of Katsuki; she's more likely town from this annoyance

Dunn what's with you btw? You've never ever been this interested with my slot before and by interested I mean try some sparky reply or ask a weird question on almost every post I make. Like you've

never

been like this before. In fact you normally don't talk about me at all

This post looks good

Cant wait for this town flip. Maybe after you will listen to me that Wisdom is obv maf

We talked about this KOKICHI use your words

why isn't anyone paying attention to me my CTRL-F is only hitting Muffin's signature now

Dw Spiffy I'm always here if you need me. In the pocket you go

spiff youre boring

OOF

Ankamius might actually be scum after all

+1

The timing of my/TBG pushes is suspicious af. I also really disliked Matt’s push on Moment. I can’t imagine anyone pushing a wagon on one player while presumably having a guilty on another.

Because the guilty is fake.

Muffins would never fake a guilty. It goes against the very fiber of his being.

How do you expect me to trust two people who were trying to mislynch me?

Mafia is a game about trust. The towns that work together are the one's that win together it's a team game based around talking theory etc people can be wrong and you need to figure out if it was scummy or just a mistake I don't think you shouldn't trust someone on the bases that they want to ml you before

I'm not speaking another language, just think wisdom is scum here based on meta. Considering I've played about 10 games with him at this point.

Can you point to a previous game that makes you think Wisdom is scum here and explain why?

This

Responses here all look towny to me

1) My confidence comes from liking to think people are decent human beings who wouldn't post stuff like kat did to get townread as scum. It's called having morals
2) I feel like the only time before this game where I've said the amount of you talking you do is AI before was as scum? The only other time I said it as town was years ago to get a reaction from you. Your words don't really mean much in the grand outlook because we just disagree. You can't really disprove my own reasoning for wanting to read you because it's wifom at the end of the day
3) If you're that naive to the way you come off to people sometimes I'm seriously worried about you
Pedit: @Wisom I think townreading someone for making a bad push is super weak and easily one of the fakest things you can do.

This is towny too

I'm gonna ignore kat and Muffins caps lock posting though unless they wanna give legit explanations I get Muffin is scum so they won't do that but meh it's annoying

PROVE IT

DEMONSTRATE IT RIGHT NOW BY UNVOTING THE MOD-CONFIRMED TOWN MUFFINS AND VOTE TBG

Your gimmick isn't cute. If you were gonna cop anyone it'd be the person who almost made you rage.
Cop me next while you're at it. But you're not a cop so

She really looks like town in her dealings with Katsuki and Muffin around here

I get you want to circlejerk with your friend so you wanna make an obv fake inno and sure go for it but post legit content along with it and not just "get off my inno" that isn't real. Get it over with chop chop. If you won't lynch your friend that badly at least pretend to be playing thanks

And here

At this point i just wanna lynch both Muffin and Kats to stop the caps spam.

Like seriously it's annoying me.

If you guys are gonna behave like this then i rather you be dead.

^^^^^^

And here, I don't believe these are stances she takes as scum

I don't believe kat was the nk of all things

No one is saying to lynch kat.
I'm staying on muffin

Get off the throne you think you're on

Get off the throne you think you're on

Oh no! Is Maria mad because she's about to lose her buddy now that her designated mislynches are being taken off the table?

However can I atone for my sins?

Should I prostrate myself to you by putting my pants over my head and mislynching town slots for you?

You call people bad because they don't agree with you and discredit them and shut them down for it. Instead of explaining why you just feel the need to insult people. So when you feel like playing mafia and not the game of lord brain lmk

I don't believe Kat or Muffin at all is the thing it has nothing to do with the claims I think they're acting like this just to be toxic asshats and now you're joining in

YOURE FRUSTRATING TO PLAY WITH WHEN

THE IRONYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

The friendgroup is salty it's getting lynched the horror *eye roll*

I’m just gonna sit on Muffin and check back near deadline if I need to condense on someone

I think lynching anyone other than him is a mistake and I’m sad what I believe to be a fake cop result is dissuading people from wanting him to die

^

Muffin you just saying I'm scum isn't doing anything. You should be explaining your sentences and focus on that instead of the overall toxic gameplay. When I played with you before you were obv town so fast and here I'm not seeing it I'm seeing 2 dif people and that logic and the way you were pushing on obv town in a way that didn't seem to be a way to figure out there alignment doesn't feel towny to me. Now it's your turn.

And this all comes from town

There's a lot of my own meta and experience mixed in with this but this shows what I'm thinking

I'm confident that Maria is town here, so yeah katsuki is fake claiming and they should feel bad for doing it to the one person who thought they had morals

[Dunnstral]

I haven't read the whole neighborhood yet, I've read the brian one

When was the link posted?

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=76953
viewtopic.php?f=90&t=77046

They are in private topics subforum

[Dunnstral]

Katsuki is the one who was poisoned. Unless he lied about that too.

[Dunnstral]

Yeah wait a minute

He could have lied about being poisoned, making all this speculation today useless

[Dunnstral]

Nah wait a second

He didn't lie about being poisoned, he said it in the brian pt by himself

[Dunnstral]

You guys need to unvote

Trying to shove this through is mad anti-town

[Dunnstral]

3 people on the wagon haven't checked in yet

Instead of trying to shove this through off the back of a fake guilty maybe wait for them to come back?

[Dunnstral]

Like the mod should have technically reset the votecount

Stop being a scumbag and condoning Katsuki's actions

[Dunnstral]

3 people on the wagon haven't checked in yet

Instead of trying to shove this through off the back of a fake guilty maybe wait for them to come back?

[Dunnstral]

This wagon only exists because of the fake inno and people haven't checked back in yet

Why would you push for a lynch before they have a chance to reevaluate

[Dunnstral]

You need to unvote or I'm getting you lynched

[Dunnstral]

I'm still for a MariaR lynch at present.

Then you need to get in here and argue your position

Pointing to 1 line doesn't do it

You're not almost certainly town by a long shot

[Dunnstral]

I'm still for a MariaR lynch at present.

All this stuff was proven wrong

[Dunnstral]

If you can persuade me someone else is worth lynching, by all means.

Muffins fake claimed and claimed neighborizor to get out of being lynched

Why is he town again?

[Dunnstral]

ProjectMatt is a good bet for scum poisoner, as is muffin

[Dunnstral]

are we lynching maria or not

No, the guilty was proven fake, unvote her for now please

Also I just now saw the replace out

[Dunnstral]

All of day 3 while she was being wagoned

What are your reasons for voting her? You can't just vote her and coast off the guilty anymore

[Dunnstral]

are we lynching maria or not

No, the guilty was proven fake, unvote her for now please

Also I just now saw the replace out

As was the TGB one.

What are you talking about, I don't remember a tbg fake guilty

[Dunnstral]

like has mariar done anything town since the last time we made a decision to lynch there

Yes

[Dunnstral]

Can everybody out a second scumread?