Heroes Wanted! (Game Over)

[Toranaga]

I'm green motherfuckers

Hey person who says they are green.

Why should I trust you? And what’s your reads?

he is ufo

and he was in his town meta day 1 imo

viewtopic.php?f=50&t=73616

This is Toranaga scum meta actually.

He lets town eat itself alive.

I just let myself be swayed because I was IC and try intentionally not to tunnel in those games.

What has he done in THIS game that you think has been unvillagery?

He’s not invested. He’s content on just seeing what we’re doing.

It’s that he isn’t posting and didn’t answer my question.

He was playing a 131 player game called mu anniverssry in past 12 days when I was moderating it. check his early game here and see if that meta applies

I'm very tired of mafia right now after playing anni for 12 days

I understand math viewing it as me!scum based off the games we played together but they're wrong.

[Toranaga]

I'm irremediably behind

[Toranaga]

Who else has been suggested for leader? It's kind of obvious by now that nobody but the core block wants me as that

from what I read I think you should be leader

[Toranaga]

Being a human being and playing mafia competently are entirely separate things.
(eg. muffins isnt a human but knows how to play mafia)

All you're doing is demonstrating why people want to policy lynch you in every game you play.

I'd policy lynch you for doing nothing for 2 entire gamedays and then only posting any content when it's to take a stab at another player.

and yes I'm keeping the cycle of hate here.

[Toranaga]

I think the push on ank at the end of day yesterday could have been a scum coutnerwagon to numbers, since it was close.

I'm with muffin here with drixx, I see a lot of defense, so that's not going anywhere.

My reads are kinda like (titus, drixx) for scum and I'm a bit null on a lot of others.

Think math is always town here though.

I don't like this post.

same

[Toranaga]

we're lynching myloninja13 and I think zMuff is more likely to be town now :>

ugh yeah I never scumread anything zmuff did (I think)

why are we lynching mylo?

what do you think of hebichan and sando?

[Toranaga]

Yeah I just can't anymore with muffin. The amount of self contradiction coming from that slot is absolutely absurd.

Pretend I can gladiate and that I gladiated him.

VOTE: zMuffinMan

If you want reasons:

Completely unwilling to behave like an adult and talk to people in anything resembling a civil manner.
Refuses to give reasoning for anything; when pressed resorts to more trolling, sarcasm, etc...
Loads of self contradiction
Refuses the implied social contract which is part of the basic premise of the game (i.e. you play to help your faction win)
Has managed to completely bog day 2 down in almost zero conversation of any productive substance by essentially stirring the pot and shitting all over anyone who tries to progress the conversation or gamestate.


P-Edit: Anyone who votes for Sakura over Ank is a fool. Go with someone who you have solid reasons to believe is town

OR

go with someone who has spent today on the transparent gambit of fake claiming masons in order to report a fake "cop guilty" on someone who was nearly universally scum read, then said they didn't want to be considered for leadership and super powers ... only to later say that the fake masons claim given the mod posts is proof they are town, and then recently suggested other people want them to be leader.

I mean ... that's

totally

gonna work out well if we vote the person doing an incredibly accurate impression of an actual politician into anything but a noose.

you're describing things that are player personality traits and not actually scummy. you just clearly don't like it.

[Toranaga]

i trust my mason partner on this, im 100% sure he wouldnt lie about this kind of thing.

This quote obviously is confirmation that you fake claimed mason. This post is you also using that fake claim to advance a "cop guilty" from the supposed mason partner.

Btw please do remember while choosing teams that a player may only use ONE super power per night.
Also please do remember that you can choose anywhere from 0 to 5 ppl.
Also please do remember to not include me in any super hero team.

Thanks in advance.

And here's you saying you don't want anything to do with the superhero team.

But then here you are promoting yourself to run it and choose it.

I can keep going. I don't make many mistakes when I note things down and I noted that you pointed at your lie about being a mason as a reason to believe you are town. You can keep on trying to say I'm lying and make me comb through your ISO to find the post if you really want to.

The point is that there's a very clear arc and progression out of your slot and lo and behold we're coming up on the end of the day and you somehow magically inserted yourself into the spot to be the leader if scum were to take FA out.

That shit didn't just happen by accident.

who gives a fuck?

[Toranaga]

how are you reading drixx btw Tora? do you think he's like this out of actual frustration or is he dodging producing content?

I never towread a single post drixx made this game but I don't have a case against him. I'm disliking his recent posting a lot though. I don't think the frustration is particularly AI.

[Toranaga]

You used your established mason claim to push the validity of a guilty claim. You took ownership of that fake guilty. You can call a technicality all you want, but you still advanced a fake cop guilty.

don't we all start vanilla man? why do you care if she claimed masons? no one is supposed to buy into it, yes? it's silly.

[Toranaga]

I think drixx is just one of these hard headed dudes who sometimes can't reason

I know the type. I'm the type.

why are we lynching mylo?

[Toranaga]

that's pretty weak

[Toranaga]

3479

in reply to this

it's utterly meaningless that numbers went "null leaning scum" on such LHF

[Toranaga]

tho I just read mylo's ISO and yeah let's get rid of it

"Hi guys! I'm here"

"ooo sorry guys I left! I'm here now!"

"oh my god I keep leaving. ok I'm here!!"

[Toranaga]

VOTE: mylo

[Toranaga]

Eh i need to sleep, can both of you tell me who you're voting for leader tonight?

FA if ank doesnt want it

[Toranaga]

I trust you're town but you already faked a bunch of stuff so I prefer someone I know won't FPS it

tho, where's FA?

[Toranaga]

dont worry mylo you're dead

you dont need to ever read this game now

[Toranaga]

Eh i need to sleep, can both of you tell me who you're voting for leader tonight?

FA if ank doesnt want it

Do you trust Titus to be town?

no. why?

[Toranaga]

oh

yeah that sucks

ok so, I'll vote you

[Toranaga]

everyone who wanted ank can vote sakura and FA votes can stay where they are

[Toranaga]

yeah we need a predetermined 2 voting blocks so that scum doesnt NK our leader and put their own there

[Toranaga]

FA or sakura

[Toranaga]

Anywho anything else before I think I hammer?

hi math

am I still scum or have you finally read my ISO?

[Toranaga]

I'm ISOing sando

[Toranaga]

Anywho anything else before I think I hammer?

hi math

am I still scum or have you finally read my ISO?

I haven’t read your ISO but I hate this post. As I said I haven’t read day one.

It’s like you’re planning to scumread me if I don’t say you’re town
But yet at the same time agree that I had valid reasons for scumreading you?

I was just curious.

if all you did was read me in a gameday I didn't do dick, then yes you have valid reasons for scumreading me. if you read my d1 and think the same thing, then you don't anymore. I'm definitely not measuring your towniness or scumminess based off how you read me. I would say you're being fairly logical and posting very well, which is what I remember from your scumgame and not your town game, but you've been meaning to improve so I'm not sure that's a reasonable stance to take wrt you.

[Toranaga]

ank doesn't want to be leader and I think we have to decide whether we're just voting her anyway or sakura instead

the way it is the votes between sakura and ank will end up divided

[Toranaga]

ok let's go ank

I don't wanna give it to someone who claimed masons and a peek :shrug: I'm sure sakura is town but that's why I prefer ank.

[Toranaga]

Yay more requirements I have to suck. Can we stop this please?

*sigh*

you're not required to suck. I was explaining what I think wrt you this game. If I was scumreading you I'd make it obvious.

[Toranaga]

@Tora did you check my posts about Sando?

I have. I'm very unconvinced the things you're pointing out are damning for sando, other than his very terrible hammer vote.

I'm still taking his stances wrt titus as a good look for sando in case titus flips scum.

[Toranaga]

let's just lynch the guy who isn't going to play first

[Toranaga]

let's just lynch the guy who isn't going to play first

I CAN'T READ A SLOT LIKE THAT

It's so annoying that people do stuff like this on a regular basis. Like There are 0 game related posts in mylos iso. Why people sign up for games if they are doing that?

katsuki is doing the same stuff. agree it's unreadable but many many players are towny, so removing the hardcore slankers is good.

[Toranaga]

It's L-2 unless someone besides Katsuki voted.

Mylo succesfully prod-dodged.

yeah that should not be counted by game moderator as a prod dodge though

What? Why not? That is exactly what they’re doing.

she is saying mylo should just get replaced out at this point

let's lynch it and save mod the trouble

[Toranaga]

w/e VOTE: Myloninja Since sando def ins't happening

*fingers crossed*

[Toranaga]

hi, sorry I lack the attention for this

sucks to suck

[Toranaga]

New Page you know what that means


Cause Shiro is here for you and loves you~

can I vote shiro for lynch?

[Toranaga]

hey there

who we lynching

what's the case on sando

[Toranaga]

why does shiro want to be the goddamn leader so much?

[Toranaga]

Tora love, don't you trust me?

I really don't my friend

[Toranaga]

I am risking my life for Titus yea. I am ghat confident.

that she is town?

[Toranaga]

I am risking my life for Titus yea. I am ghat confident.

that she is town?

Yes.

do you have a mechanical reason for saying this? I found her... awfully unlikely to be town in several moments of the game

if it's just a read then I'm not taking this with any weight

[Toranaga]

if I was chosen leader that'd make me read the game so there's that

I'm sure it's an awful reason but it's there

[Toranaga]

We should just lynch Titus today she's probably scum and DEFINITELY removing a lot of other people circularly fluffposting about her lmao that's a quality lynch

if we're gonna flashlynch a lurker, we should flashlynch the Creature slot

creature subbed out? oh well

[Toranaga]

I'm a very malleable ducky someone case Katsuki for me

she spent the entire game posting nothing but videos

when she said anything it was just to take a piss at people

pretty bad stuff

not sure if wolfy

[Toranaga]

I am risking my life for Titus yea. I am ghat confident.

that she is town?

Yes.

do you have a mechanical reason for saying this? I found her... awfully unlikely to be town in several moments of the game

if it's just a read then I'm not taking this with any weight

It's a read based on all her actions I can quote the explanation.

I'd like that

wanna lynch katsuki? it's probably flipping green anyway

who FA wants lynched? let's sponge her

[Toranaga]

shiro, your certainty confuses me

I thought that katsuki post was villagery fwiw

I don't know how you can be sure titus is town when you can't really read her by your own accord

we've been there before where you lock cleared her for reasons and she was scum

so IDK

I should read stuff. I probably won't. it is what it is. kinda sick of mafia after anni.

[Toranaga]

you just described what's towny about it

bullshit AtE self meta, >rand town stuff yes?

no?

[Toranaga]

IDK I played with scum!katsuki where she tried to pretend like she was playing the game so this is not that

how are you so confident she is flipping scum?

[Toranaga]

carry me mommy

who should we lynch?

[Toranaga]

Honestly the bs between him and Sakura, that was the defacto moment.

And ircher is the one that we know for a fact defended him for it.
Also yea that's the resistance I am talking about.

you mean sakura claiming masons? cause that was just stupid, right? or, do you think sakura is scum?

[Toranaga]

It was just stupid, it's just intrigued me that katsuki didn't insta disprove it which started my heavy suspicion

that would make sense for any other player but katsuki

it feels to me that trolling and being cute is more important for him than playing mafia though

[Toranaga]

eh I might side with shiro and lynch katsuki instead of titus today

I like titus. she plays the game.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: katsuki

leggo

[Toranaga]

I'm voting sakura for leader fwiw

[Toranaga]

oh ok

is Shiro usually fairly good at mafia with decent reads? if so they're scum here lol

I mean shiro is shiro

idk if she is good at mafia

she is good at pocketing people tho lol

I find her confidence ?????? but I wanna punish katsuki for playing like he did so far

so that's why I'm voting there

[Toranaga]

I'll just sheep you. I can't keep up and have a life.

Also, please don't medium me if this town lynches me. I have no reason to believe they'd listen to me after the treatment I have gotten. Only two things will happen. 1) My reads will be treated as if I am a goddess, blocking all scumhunting or 2) I'll be speaking to players who completely disregard what I am saying or misunderstand it.

VOTE: Katsuki

I promise you I won't treat you as a goddess

also is this town titus how? lol jesus christ

VOTE: titus

[Toranaga]

-> "I have no reason to believe they'd listen to me after the treatment I have gotten"
-> "my reads will be treated as if I am a goddess"

[Toranaga]

btw did titus ever claim who she targeted with powers?

did anyone claim to have received powers in case she didn't?

[Toranaga]

UNVOTE: titus

ok I'm reading

let's ugh

talk

[Toranaga]

I don't necessarily love this list apart from ank and FA. titus had shiro as pretty likely scum on d1, I wonder what changed there in her read.

@titus if you're around, can you explain to me why you gave power to shiro and how your read on her progressed from scum to likely town enough to get powers?

[Toranaga]

did everyone claim their votes on d2 and did the votes add up to a titus leader?

did titus ever realised she was voted leader by scum if above didn't happen?

I'm severely lacking in information right now as you can see

[Toranaga]

the claimed votes ended at a three way tie

titus, Ank and someone else had 2 votes for leader

who voted titus?

I know bbmolla did? who else did it?

[Toranaga]

I've been working all day long and I'm hellish tired. Like I feel I'm brain frozen right now xd

Ufo what is your read on nancy?

I voted her for leader on n1 but I dislike much of her posting since. it's nothing concrete yet.

I'm reading cerb now to try and determine whether he would or wouldn't vote for titus as leader. my opinion based off his posting is that he actually would, since the only posts he made that are any indication of titus' alignment are ones he talks about her moonlogicky behaviour being more aligned with her town play. he was also seemingly alarmed with nosferatu's posts and asked titus and others to read him and determine whether he could be scum. I find cerb trying to get titus' thoughts on nos as evidence that cerb thought titus was >rand town.

for shiro to be lying about cerb voting titus, she has to literally be scum with titus. it can be the world we live in, but it's very likely not. I also think shiro is very likely town because of the NA she decided to play.

did shiro talk about cerb's reads in the game? I think it's very important we listen to cerberus tbh.

[Toranaga]

I know someone claimed a red on sando. is that still the case or did that person backtrack on their claim?

[Toranaga]

Oh man, and just when i was thinking of switching my vote, Cerb goes ahead and posts #353

It does seem rather hinky. It's rather unlike Cerb to suppose town can just keep 6 people alive indefinitely and that FA would automatically trust him. Seems exactly why scum would let FA be a leader. Town!Cerb is more of a critical thinker than that. Town!Cerb would also consider the possibility of a factionsl strongman.

VOTE: Cerb

I dunno. I think Cerb is likely town here based on meta. Where do you get that scum wanted FA to be a leader? It looked like a mostly town vote to me. Why would you think FA’s being a leader is primarily scum motivated?

Basic math. 5 scum. If scum didn't want FA to be leader, they coordinate on someone else. FA has received fewer than 5 votes claimed. The Day 1 leader is always scum motivated. (Note: That does not mean FA scum).

Cerb acting as if he cannot die is rather scummy. A town Cerb considers that a) There might be a factional strongman b) That FA might read him as scum incorrectly and thus not give him a vest or c) imply she would give cerb a vest to protect more town reads but scum shoot Cerb anyway.

Titus, people don't shoot me. You know that. I know that. I have been shot at like three times ever in all the games of mafia I've played, and one of those times it was because I literally claimed cop on D1. I have been lynched EVEN LESS OFTEN. I'm ALWAYS this certain(regardless of alignment) that I will not die. The potential of power just makes it EVEN LESS LIKELY, given that 33% of the available powers will prevent a kill from hitting the person who takes the power.

In addition...read my posts? Actually respond to those? Please don't do the bullshit "oh you're scum now so I'm not going to interact with you" thing that so many fucking idiots here do. I called out factionals and other possibilities REPEATEDLY, and B/C *don't actually matter because the only thing that matters is maintaining that the POSSIBILITY of protection exists for me.

I'm definitely not repeating that day 1 again.

And so what im doing in this game was born.

Okay. So this, along with the "deliberately ignoring thing", ping me pretty hard. Normally, when someone looks at a post I made and chooses to ignore all of it except one part, they just do so without the snarky comment included. This generally results in them getting pushed more about the part they ignored by myself, and anyone else who was interested in the point(s) I raised.

I see deliberately calling out the fact that she ignored the rest of the post as an attempt to preempt said pushing. I was debating whether to ask if that bit of flavor in Sakuras post was characteristic of her posting style, or if it had a good chance of being preemptive scum deflection, but this last post seems to support my position . Here Sakura is again, preempting questioning about her reason for playing the way she is, by posting a link and a joke. She already said it was because of a game in the past, nobody asked for a link to the game or anything, but here she is ready to justify what she's doing before the conversation gets too deep into whether her behavior is anti-town or not.

I love that sakura is being pushed for this and find your reasoning extremely villagery from you, and I was villa reading your posting before anyway so this is cool. I don't know if I agree with this, though. I don't think sakura is necessarily doing what she is doing as an excuse to not work on the game, but rather because she is the kind of individualistic millennial generation type of player. I'm sure she'll start posting reads as the game progresses regardless of her rand.

I find you both are acting arrogant and fail to understand relevance. Everyone, even me, selectively responds. Why and to what reveal alignment. By jumping to the scum conclusion, it's not hunting but a straw man. For d1 it might get something to start the game but nothing to get mighty over. Sakura probably town.

This is even stupider than the previous thing, somehow. I'm fucking astonished by your audacity in stating that *I* fail to understand relevance.

I give ZERO fucks about her choosing to not answer something(it was brought up by her yesterday, and I gave her no notable shit about it). I give MANY fucks about *the way* she chose to not answer things. The question of "is phrasing thigns this way, and throwing in this little addendum pointing out the obvious decision to not answer the rest of the post, something that town!sakura does?" should be naturally fucking implied by my entire post. I say this is suspicious. If that behavior isn't suspicious for this person, tell me why. Is it not suspicious because it's natural behavior for them? Is it not suspicious because it's NEVER SUSPICIOUS, no matter who does it or in what context?

This is also my friendly reminder that I, Titus, do not act outside of my D1 town meta as scum, because that meta makes it really fucking easy to get away with basically anything later in the game. If you think me picking a hill to die on on D1(which, btw, I'm not actually doing, but you somehow seem to think I *am*) is abnormal, it's not scummy. *shrug*

Cerb youknow I'd never ignore you. Abormal means sort which means I vote you unless I get an actual scumread. I have a 100% win rate when we have a neighborhood minus Space Dandy. Talking to you tells me your slignment.

that interaction does not make me feel cerb would vote titus for leader though

oh well what now

[Toranaga]

shiro is definitely talking with cerb based off her posting about it

I don't think he is lying about cerb's vote

shiro is very likely town. I don't see why scum would use this power and carry it the way shiro has been doing and there's no way shiro is making up the lines of thinking cerb has in the game.

shiro is town 100%.

[Toranaga]

there is nothing towny about picking medium and using it on cerb. if anything it makes reading shiro harder because now you don't know what she says is comeing from the deceived town or himself.

it's extremely pro-town action, is it not? she is bringing up a dead, confirmed town player who wolves decided to kill on n1 and she does not appear to be lying about anything cerb says. if shiro was lying, we'd have a moment here where the communication between shiro and cerb stopped.

[Toranaga]

Look at night 1 powers. If I was scum I would choose medium and do exactly what shiro did for free credit. or maybe I would go with phasing again but it would be worthless unless if people were considering to kill me. the free towncred looks more beneficial

I'll let you in on a secret, FA

on n1, I chose mimicry and used on you. I got the same results cerb got: you didn't do any action.

IDK what action I'd use as scum but what shiro is doing is very helpful to town even if shiro is scum, which I no longer believe in and am surprised you are still so suspicious of her. don't you find shiro's overrall behaviour in the thread towny? even the fact that she is shading you looks objectively towny to me...

[Toranaga]

Not saying that makes shiro scum but yeah that power choice and usage is not alignment indicative and this line of thinking that it makes shiro town is VERY dangerous and should be avoided. If there are two slots in this game who will think to use medium as scum to get credit for it, it's me and shiro. If I wanted to name a third person I would say Titus cause she always does this calculations/long term planning when scum and doesn't play randomly.

alright that's fair. I'm falling really hard for it if this is a planned thing shiro is doing as scum cause I'm really locktowning the ISO I just read here without thinking twice about it.

[Toranaga]

that's all fair FA, and you're probably right, but I'm townreading shiro on attitude/perspective/reads as well. I really don't think there's much basis to call her scum anymore. why do you think shiro is scum?

[Toranaga]

did everyone claim their votes on d2 and did the votes add up to a titus leader?

did titus ever realised she was voted leader by scum if above didn't happen?

I'm severely lacking in information right now as you can see

People were refusing to claim or put forgots. To believe the tiebreaker theory, at least 6 ppl forgot. It's more likely some forgetters are scum.

Reluctantly, as the optimal town play was to vote me.

I actually buy that many people forgot to submit their votes and that created a tie that you eventually won, instead of it being scum coordination to get you as leader.

what's your scum pool? you seem to be voting whoever is your counterwagon at any given time without pushing your scumreads.

[Toranaga]

that was my issue with shiro today. if you throw out everything cerb said nothing towny remains in his iso. for example look at the way he jumped at me when I voted him. It felt forced as fuck. Then later cerb asked some practical questions about what was my stance on shiro back then and shiro compiled it with his paranoia and pushed me in a really towny way.

That is why I said it makes reading shiro harder. If shiro is scum he has a town behind his back who is producing content he can use and his ability is like yeah it's towny af to be bale to talk with dead! and amazingly that was the only good ability of n1 for scum. You can argue phasing might be useful for scum later to, or power mimic? but that was depending on the actual stuff in later nights. power mimic would have been a really bad pick for scum actually cause you don't know what town will pick and why would you want to mimic a scum? maybe it could work to duplicate petrification or a vig later on but yeah medium feels like the free credit easy choice for scum.

that's very good and I agree shiro becomes a harder read and harder to pick apart if he is scum. I didn't think through what abilities would actually be useful for scum on d1... and if you say shiro would 100% play it out like this as a wolf, I believe you.

reading all you said about shiro rn. brb.

[Toranaga]

I think when titus says "some forgotters are scum", she means that scum may be claiming to have forgotten, not that scum actually did forget. I could be wrong. I want to understand if titus thinks she was framed by scum or voted by town. if titus was framed by scum, that means scum does not have very towny people in the game they can push as leader. on the other hand, given the likelihood of a titus lynch on d2, I'm puzzled by what scum has to gain by protecting her and have her choose powers for town, which could essentially lock her as town depending on how she acts.

so I think scum either coordinated for scum!titus leader, or did not coordinate at all and titus won by pure accident because the votes were sparce.

FA, do you think scum!titus would push hard for her own leadership on n1 to her scumbuddies? it seems like a thing she'd do.

[Toranaga]

I think when titus says "some forgotters are scum", she means that scum may be claiming to have forgotten, not that scum actually did forget. I could be wrong. I want to understand if titus thinks she was framed by scum or voted by town. if titus was framed by scum, that means scum does not have very towny people in the game they can push as leader. on the other hand, given the likelihood of a titus lynch on d2, I'm puzzled by what scum has to gain by protecting her and have her choose powers for town, which could essentially lock her as town depending on how she acts.

so I think scum either coordinated for scum!titus leader, or did not coordinate at all and titus won by pure accident because the votes were sparce.

FA, do you think scum!titus would push hard for her own leadership on n1 to her scumbuddies? it seems like a thing she'd do.

Permission to Garcia ?

go ahead please

[Toranaga]

I think when titus says "some forgotters are scum", she means that scum may be claiming to have forgotten, not that scum actually did forget. I could be wrong. I want to understand if titus thinks she was framed by scum or voted by town. if titus was framed by scum, that means scum does not have very towny people in the game they can push as leader. on the other hand, given the likelihood of a titus lynch on d2, I'm puzzled by what scum has to gain by protecting her and have her choose powers for town, which could essentially lock her as town depending on how she acts.

so I think scum either coordinated for scum!titus leader, or did not coordinate at all and titus won by pure accident because the votes were sparce.

FA, do you think scum!titus would push hard for her own leadership on n1 to her scumbuddies? it seems like a thing she'd do.

Permission to Garcia ?

go ahead please

I think a desperate Titus does here but only if she is scum with lurkers in extremely paranoid lurker works with like Titus FA or Titus Shiro she doesn’t. I find Titus lurkers more likely she does as she would feel she would have to save it after 123456789 goes down.

yes, that makes perfect sense. I also think there's many scum in the lurkers, and they'd be especially unmotivated after a 1-9 lynch with a scum counterwagon.

briefly skimmed sando and I'm still fine with him and don't see why people wanna lynch there at all. maybe I'm dumb.

[Toranaga]

creature's ISO is absolutely terrible

none of his reads go any deeper than calling people town or scum

there's 0 evaluation or progression on any slot and no desire to solve the game

can we talk about creature? who's townreading him and why?

[Toranaga]

creature's ISO is absolutely terrible

none of his reads go any deeper than calling people town or scum

there's 0 evaluation or progression on any slot and no desire to solve the game

can we talk about creature? who's townreading him and why?

Can I claim to TR Creature so paranoia gets thrown on him?

can you elaborate on your creature read, whatever it is? you just said you'd lynch him and sando which is why I ISO'd them.

[Toranaga]

I practically trust no other slot in this game enough to allow them to choose less than 5 players.

If they are scum they can choose their own scum mates and we will never figure out they got powers and we won't ever have a lead to figure that out. It's just a really bad idea to allow people to choose fewer players generally.

+1 as omg, this is such a pro-town plan, and there’s absolutely zero sensible reason for scum!fa to point out a loophole like this—doing it for towncred would be smart but being the first to state something like this is so much more likelier to come from town. this is exactly the type of post i’ve wanted out of fa. now i feel comfortable in putting her in my confident/pretty much locktown zone which now consists of stungun0404, sakura hana, sando, and frozen angel.

In respect to that Cerb says

So, stungun scum confirmed, maybe with FA?

This is far from the first time this has been stated by someone, and considering how much you laim to have read things from the game prior to replacing in, you shoukd be aware of that.

cerb says stungun is confscum based off that post? that's very unlike him. can you ask him why this is scum, and not just town who is excited with FA's reasoning? I mean is it that unlikely that he missed the explanation to why less than 5 is bad? I saw you tell FA that cerb wanted only you and drixx to have powers this gameday, so clearly not everyone understands why less than 5 is pretty bad.

[Toranaga]

Honestly I could see the team of fa, Katsuki, muffin and stun.

I really disliked how fa didn't really say she doesn't scumread katsuki but did her best to stop my push both by discrediting me and my read on titus.

I don't think it's impossible.

I mean...

shiro, your katsuki case is bad, right? it's 100% things katsuki does in both alignments. there's really nothing there. I'd lynch her cause she is annoying to play with, but she lurks heavy in every single game she plays. she didn't do anything ridiculously alignment indicative for her own meta and I find her unhelpful annoying attitude a towny thing in general. I agree with sakura's read on it that katsuki's continuous trolling of the game with videos does not help at all as scum and there's no motivation to do any of it. it's not hard to pretend to do some solving instead.

titus on the other hand has 3 full gamedays of people wanting to lynch her for many reasons. they're not all scum, so there's definitely something there. I really don't understand how you're so confident about either kats scum or titus town here. does cerb agree with how hard you're townreading titus?

[Toranaga]

Well it was him, it is nearly a direct copy past, you dont even know how scared of being mod killed half the post I make when talking for Cerb I am.

I mean i never been mod killed so I wouldn't want to start now.

yeah idk, it just feels like a crazy stance for a dude that made 0 reads on d1 apart from lightly shading nosferatu.

I'll go ahead and ISO that dude anyway.

[Toranaga]

I really disliked how fa didn't really say she doesn't scumread katsuki but did her best to stop my push both by discrediting me and my read on titus.

I DO SCUM READ katsuki

and I do want her dead

that is such a misrepresentation

I hate your confidence on that scum read with passion though. It feels bullshit.

this is where I'm at with you as well shiro. the confidence is ????. I don't mind katsuki dying. I don't scumread her, it's just one of those slots.

quick iso'd stungun and it's almost certainly town to me. if this is scum trying super hard after replacing into a dead slot that was already replaced before, bravo to him. thoughts are nuanced and smart all the way. none of the posts look like TMI or agenda driven. IDK what cerb is thinking throwing that w/w read between him and FA here. it feels really odd.

[Toranaga]

I think when titus says "some forgotters are scum", she means that scum may be claiming to have forgotten, not that scum actually did forget. I could be wrong. I want to understand if titus thinks she was framed by scum or voted by town. if titus was framed by scum, that means scum does not have very towny people in the game they can push as leader. on the other hand, given the likelihood of a titus lynch on d2, I'm puzzled by what scum has to gain by protecting her and have her choose powers for town, which could essentially lock her as town depending on how she acts.

so I think scum either coordinated for scum!titus leader, or did not coordinate at all and titus won by pure accident because the votes were sparce.

FA, do you think scum!titus would push hard for her own leadership on n1 to her scumbuddies? it seems like a thing she'd do.

hmm. these are actually good points for town titus for once...

ugh, i’m not sure i want to unvote her here though

I am not arguing for town!titus here, I'm just thinking of a world where she is town and what that means wrt the n1 votes.

[Toranaga]

People need to consider that scum can vote a town player into leadership and then lie and say they followed the plan in an attempt to frame the town leader they voted in. It's not always about scum having control, it's also about manipulation and playing the long game so that town fears itself.

You all feel like it's so cut and dry with the leader elections, when it couldn't be further from. A smart scum team isn't necessarily trying to be the leader, but make just sure the leader is who they want.

no one is suggesting otherwise, toogeloo. I'm certainly not. but town!titus being a scum motivated leader on n1 makes no sense to me. they're removing the d2 mislynch by protecting it and giving titus a real opportunity to clear herself by the way she plays that gameday. so if it's scum motivated, it probably only makes sense for titus to be scum.

I understand what you're saying but I'm seeing past it. I think town!titus leader has to have been purely accidental and not coordinated by scum, if they thought it through. it'd also mean that scum had no one towny to stack votes on after d1.

[Toranaga]

Please be honest was that really by cerb? I can't fucking believe that cerb posted that line about me and my slot. It's so bullshit, scummy and shady that I'm actually biting my tongue right now and my eyes are wide open rereading it over and over.

+

that does not look like cerb at all

[Toranaga]

this shiro neighborhood with dead!cerb is filled with angleshooting from shiro and people who want to find ways to confirm cerb is there

kind of annoying and bad in a mafia game but alas

it's possible cerb *was* helping shiro out but stopped conversations once shiro started to lie about his stances? cause that w/w toogeloo/fa read is so unlike the dude. I just ISO'd cerb and he would never have that kind of gut bad reaction to an isolated post like that. I'm glad both toogeloo and FA felt the same. makes me feel we caught on to something here.

[Toranaga]

I'm getting mitsuha flashbacks from the way shiro is pushing stuff here

oh well

[Toranaga]

I'm glad both toogeloo and FA felt the same.

where did toog felt the same?

6744, last line

[Toranaga]

lol that's so broken

[Toranaga]

i just looked to see if cerb’s online

and guess what. he isn’t. he has traceable online times too

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=24939

last visited: 6:08 am today

so is shiro lying with all this additional information she’s spewing?

oh god

[Toranaga]

VOTE: creature

[Toranaga]

i just looked to see if cerb’s online

and guess what. he isn’t. he has traceable online times too

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=24939

last visited: 6:08 am today

so is shiro lying with all this additional information she’s spewing?

he could be checking this in offline mode.

I mean he was online earlier today and it's unlikely he is checking while offline etc

I don't wanna get into this but yeah

[Toranaga]

FA can you ISO human sequencer/creature?

[Toranaga]

ok, i just reinvestigated creature’s iso, and wow it looks bad. i misremembered it as being better than it was for some reason

yeah. human sequencer had some towny moments so I'm taking it in consideration, but creature's ISO is very empty. there's nothing there and idk how likely it is that this is how creature played as town.

anyway I like seeing where this goes.

[Toranaga]

titus is obviously scum

[Toranaga]

Down to lynch Creature but Titus is so blatantly obvious scum.

Like why did this counter wagon start when it did? Why?

*cartoon fuming* Titus obvScum

I thought it'd be appropriate to move my vote around and have people discuss creature

I especially wanted to see titus' reaction to it

creature's posts are pretty bad but they're not really wolfy. it seems like a guy who isn't able to keep up with the game.

human was here and there but had some ok stuff and pushed numbers early.

so yeah.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: titus

let's go there

[Toranaga]

i’m legit scared creature will be a mislynch if we vote out there... but also scared we’ll miss an opportunity to vote him out again if he’s scum. like ugh @ this dilemma

what the hell man

creature isn't today's lynch, right? I voted there to see what happens, it shouldn't really be a wagon like this. we're lynching titus 100%.

[Toranaga]

i’m legit scared creature will be a mislynch if we vote out there... but also scared we’ll miss an opportunity to vote him out again if he’s scum. like ugh @ this dilemma

what the hell man

creature isn't today's lynch, right? I voted there to see what happens, it shouldn't really be a wagon like this. we're lynching titus 100%.

I need to resort this when Creature flips scum.

If any active posters on this page are, Creature is too. Otherwise, scum would love a deadline wagon onto Creature as it gets two mislynches.

I don't understand this. can you elaborate?

[Toranaga]

UNVOTE: titus

wait

[Toranaga]

Wait, why would we not have another chance to vote creature? Why is that a concern?

he’s a hard lynch to develop support for, maybe not this game you can say fairly, but just in general. it always concerns me, but you’re actually right here i’ll admit. it’s probably just paranoia getting to me here, but like i want to pressure that creature spot while it’s valid and see if he pops out of nowhere. but alas,


VOTE: titus

what the hell are you paranoid about?

scum creature doesn't endgame, yes? it's not a real thing that happens constantly. he is not a good wolf. he gets obvious and wolves bus him all the time. last time I w/w with him he was lynched d1 quite easily. there won't be resistance from town if creature is scum. just look at his ISO. it manages to have even less content than katsuki.

[Toranaga]

@Frozen Angel

why are you playing LOL instead of being here solving girl? deadline is tonight. come on.

[Toranaga]

@Frozen Angel

why are you playing LOL instead of being here solving girl? deadline is tonight. come on.

How do you know this? What's your handle? I'm TrenchcoatTitus on my main. Judge Scarlet on my secondary.

oh I just know, I don't play LOL

I play overwatch tho if you wanna hang out sometime

[Toranaga]

stun, I actually read that post and think it's pretty towny of you

I don't think anything you said here warrants lynching creature. you worked on this read more than everyone else in the game mate. if it's 63% or whatever, it's not the best lynch for tonight.

[Toranaga]

Are you townreading Creature? Answer without referencing me or my wagon.

Slightly ya.

what's towny about creature?

[Toranaga]

@Frozen Angel

why are you playing LOL instead of being here solving girl? deadline is tonight. come on.

Cause an old friend of mine is playing and I can't miss this chance. (you know what day/time it is in my country yes?)

I'm reading the thread between games xd

yeah I do

I'm concerned with you falling asleep without casting a vote and I have no idea how to read titus so I'm relying a lot on your decision here

also pls download OW

[Toranaga]

I looked at creature iso. I think I suck at reading slots that don't post content

like if he was shit posting or posting stuff that were not making any sense then I would be sure he is scum

I don't know what he is here

you're so villagery

and yeah I agree, if he was trying to post anything contentful I'd manage a read on him. his ISO is NAI and I was bating people into voting there to make my own reads. I think creature is town because of small passing thoughts he posted that come from a standpoint of creature being a villager. without provoking him to do more, it's impossible to tell because he is uninvested in the game. but he is not wolfy. I lied to see what happened.

[Toranaga]

town!creature is legitimately a spam poster so idk how you let creature lurk to endgame ever @stungun

creature can definitely get lurky as town

I just lost a game where he was the final mislynch because he lurked too hard

[Toranaga]

I kinda hate stungun's posts about creature but I wanna trust my read on him based on his ISO so whatever

[Toranaga]

TBFH I'm just worry we're going to no lynch because math TvTs me because I vote mylo and you TvT me for voting muffin and I'm sitting here having no good read on either.

It's a really annoying position to be in because I really, really just want to lynch titus.

Also- I'm voting for FA tonight.

Oh, Math TvTing again lol

this is the wolfiest thing creature wrote btw

at least imo

because he is just buying into whatever hebichan is saying and calling a bunch of people town without properly evaluating them

also idk what's the purpose of posting this. he made a lot of replies of just finding things funny, it's kinda weird.

but that's it. rest of his ISO is a bunch of NAI reads or saying things from kind of a towny perspective.

[Toranaga]

I kinda hate stungun's posts about creature but I wanna trust my read on him based on his ISO so whatever

what do you hate about them? when i’m having trouble sorting a player that i similarly had trouble sorting in his 2 scum games, why should i not be watching him like a hawk?

yeah that's the thing, I have no idea what your POV is with regards to creature so I'm not giving you a hard time for it. it's definitely not something I ever saw before though. creature is generally an easy read. he is not an easy read this game, but he is also lurking so hard he'll get resolved eventually anyway. nothing to be paranoid about. I also hate the word "paranoid" wrt creature. you're not falling onto paranoia by scumreading a lurker who did nothing towny, you know? IDK why you're phrasing things the way you are. meh.

[Toranaga]

@frozen angel what do you think of titus?

[Toranaga]

Are you townreading Creature? Answer without referencing me or my wagon.

Slightly ya.

what's towny about creature?

@sando

[Toranaga]

Although i guess if you put it that way, i currently feel strongly about both of you being scum, i just think that if ppl are undecided, unless they TR you and SR creature the choice is obvious.

And is there any reason that is besides me feeling confident in what little reads I have given? Like right now, I feel everything against me is but she's goood at scum and information and more fucking strawmen and perpetual spam to stop scumhunting.

:/

I almost don't wanna lynch you titus

I like you this much

[Toranaga]

VOTE: creature

titus is one towny cookie rn

[Toranaga]

VOTE: creature

titus is one towny cookie rn

No she fucking isn’t.

I won't argue with her sibling about it

you're probably right and I'm being dumb right now, but she is resonating with me. she has had very wolfy moments, but I do think she was put on a horrible spotlight early on by being voted as leader and that lead town into thinking she is lockscum.

she is keeping some kind of internal peace while constantly at l-2/l-1 that I can't not townread.

[Toranaga]

Are you townreading Creature? Answer without referencing me or my wagon.

Slightly ya.

what's towny about creature?

@sando

It looks more like his town game than his scum game...it's a gut read and not exactly strong.

How the fuck are people following Titus onto Creature? Titus literally said you can't show lurking because you "can't quote air", yet here she is, wanting to lynch Creature.

she is the other wagon though

yes she said you and creature were her scumreads. and she casted shade on so many people I can't even mention.

I get the gut creature read. that's what my gut says as well. but my gut is also saying the way titus is behaving rn is town. so what do.

[Toranaga]

is titus at l1 or l2?

IDK, I lost track

give your thoughts on her though, it's very important

[Toranaga]

o hi more pages

I think she's still L1? want me to hammer or?

not now, let FA go to bed first

[Toranaga]

I get the gut creature read. that's what my gut says as well. but my gut is also saying the way titus is behaving rn is town. so what do.

Yeah...because you're going SO FAR out of your way to only read the last 12 hours of game. Titus acts like scum 95% of the time and you read the 5% and go "yeah well that's town right there".

I had other moments of townreading titus this game though

she is fooling me rn if scum, yes. logic says that's still the lynch.

[Toranaga]

I'm in same place I was with titus since day 1. I have absolutely no idea what is she doing this game. this game has traces of both her scum meta and town meta and it's combined in an unpleasent not readable manner for me.

alright let's lynch it

I was the first fucking person pushing titus this game. I just suck at mafia nowadays.

[Toranaga]

btw I ISO'd nosferatu and I think he is town a lot

[Toranaga]

I'm in same place I was with titus since day 1. I have absolutely no idea what is she doing this game. this game has traces of both her scum meta and town meta and it's combined in an unpleasent not readable manner for me.

alright let's lynch it

I was the first fucking person pushing titus this game. I just suck at mafia nowadays.

?! are you sure she will flip scum now?

I'm not sure of anything, but I remember you townreading titus for playing her town meta in a game she was scum and then everyone rolled with your read for days.

so I'm looking at where your brain is at and thinking this might just be the exact same thing

also math wants it dead and they might have an even better handle of titus than you do

you both have it way more than me anyway

[Toranaga]

Tbh, this is burden of procificency. I am good enough as either alignment where everyone wants someone else to blame when I flip town.

I only blame myself on my losses fwiw. what makes me above the average is that I'm my biggest critic. if you're town, I'll strongly reconsider my play in this game.

[Toranaga]

ok titus readslist was wolfy

I'm relieved

[Toranaga]

when FA gets her well deserved rest I'll vote titus

[Toranaga]

pedit: I think that titus's day phase play had content today
pedit2: ty tora i somewhat acknowledge that my suspicion of your slot is mostly due to playstyle.

I was a dick enough on d1 that I'm fine with the scumreads anyway

sakura annoyed me for small things and I lashed out on everyone. idk why.

[Toranaga]

ok titus readslist was wolfy

I'm relieved

How was it wolfy?

it's just empty

you're not town if those are your reads

there's no nuance there dear

[Toranaga]

when FA gets her well deserved rest I'll vote titus

Nike.
Just...do it.

When FA normally wakes up it is post deadline

I mean when she goes to bed

[Toranaga]

That's my first post that probably can be called AtE btw

I agree with this btw

you haven't ate at all until this post

and fuck me sideways it's towny

[Toranaga]

ok titus readslist was wolfy

I'm relieved

How was it wolfy?

it's just empty

you're not town if those are your reads

there's no nuance there dear

that opinion feels like you wanted something other than what you asked for

I mean I didn't ask for readslist from titus, I just think it's the type of blend reads scum tends to have

[Toranaga]

Meta is shit. Do you have a reason to SR me that is not wifom or burden of proficiency? Yes or no?

If yes, state it vote it own it.
If not, vote Creature.

tbh the only thing I find towny about you is that your play in day 1 put 1-9 under light day 1. I either scumread or don't understand anything else you did in this game.

Well you don't understand VCA, you assume people can always keep up with this thread, and everyone has made my actions confusing.

I did my VCA today. Followed it with the time I had.
I used leadership in protown ways.
I tried to sort the spamners and got nowhere.

That's it in a nutshell.

I can understand VCA. I've been playing mafia for a long time. I use vca as a tool to evaluate my reads too. I read your anlysis. It just felt forced and you trying to get the burden out of your system in this day phase. I understand that there might be real life things that are effecting your encouragement in this but still

You did use leadership in the only way you could though. we asked you to give us a list before submiting and you went with list you gave us. The fact ank is dead suggesting that scum though ank is using medium or they had power negation reserved. If they had power negation the most possible scenario is that you didn't give ank power

that is confirmable by shiro tomorrow though. doesn't help that I find shiro the second sketchy person on your power list.

I'm not sure who do you mean when you say spammers

I missed playing w u

[Toranaga]

I have a date night with my husband now.

If I am alive, thank you.
If not, good night and good luck to town.

have fun

[Toranaga]

That confirmation doesn't confirm your alignment even in slightest.

It doesn't even mean scum!you did not risk killing ank without power negation cause he calimed it. Also nancy was also in your pool of 5 and could be the power negation

And I don't trust shiro confirming that from ank as I just said.

like Idk I actually think no power negation was used last night when they killed ank because that just makes so much sense.

We’ve only said that a few hundred (hyperbole) times

lol

[Toranaga]

I can't stay awake for an hour. its 2 am here.

just vote her then

[Toranaga]

VOTE: titus

gn fa

hf titus

gl town

[Toranaga]

eh i switched tora and muffin coz tora wanted to vote for me.

I will

[Toranaga]

hi

maybe I should be voted for leader this time based off always pushing titus and clearing lots of town the whole game

[Toranaga]

Thank god. Scum just literally saved me from leading a mislynch wagon. I had a 2000+ word writeup ready where I thought shiro was near lockscum, and i'm posting it anyway so you guys have proof that this was what i thought. And had the evidence to back it up too. I'll copy and paste it in here, so as to have proof of how much i worked on it

But I still am townblocking this crew of players: Sakura Hana, MathBlade, Toranaga, Stungun, Frozen angel (who is locktown pretty much now to me; Titus clearly attempted to brainwash her d1), and Sando. Will have to check my confidence on these players again now with a shiro townflip confirmed, but fa is without a doubt town for me.

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Took an abundance of notes over the night phase, so i will simply copy and paste to spill any thoughts and conclusions here. I believe this together with a scumflip of titus--who i tunneled hard most of last day phase-- might make up for how i had nothing coming into yesterday except for that i had isolated ankamius and found her slot to be town so i voted her for leader as she was first alphabetically among living players, and since she was town enough i decided to end my search for a leader to vote there.

Spoiler: this is long and largely unfiltered

• Toranaga is
  town
  . Toranaga vs. Titus is absolutely not
  scum
  vs.
  scum
  imo.
  
  
• 1049 upholds this; tog at this moment must be toranaga, and titus never confirmed that when i asked who tog was. lack of follow-up conclusion (re: on alignment of toranaga after numbers flip) likely means titus didn't have any incentive to provide reasoning to clear toranaga as
  town
  . Further, ankamius had
  townblocked
  toranaga, and at eod i definitely saw
  town motive
  in some things he did.
  
  
• So, I feel confident enough to
  townblock
  sakura hana, toranaga, mathblade, frozen angel, and sando. In addition to myself (stungun) knowing i am
  town
  , which you are free to discount if you would like. I can explain each of these cogently if need be. Feel free if after considering these other notes i took you still need further explanation on the towniness of a player.
  
  
• FA IS CONCLUSIVELY--AGAINST ATTACK--
  TOWN
  TO ME. I
  LOCKTOWN
  READ HER NOW. This is because a). blatant brainwashing attempts by Titus regarding who she should target with power roles--suggesting she randomize them. FA very clearly did not agree to this plan, and in fact was heavily against it in a way that screams towniness for her now with a Titus
  scumflip
  . If that was
  scum
  theatre, I heavily believe both of them drop their argument there at some point, BUT they didn't. b). Titus tried to subtly pick at possibilities of fa being
  scum
  so as to try and discredit her at the start on D1, and she found out this didn't quite work and instead decided to pocket fa to try and obtain powers in a way
  scum
  titus does not do to
  scum
  fa imo. Titus even said D1 leader is always
  scum-motivated
  at one point, meaning she wouldn't have batted at suggestions of fa being
  scum
  . And c). Shiro even tried brainwashing fa by having her choose only 2 leader targets, which would clearly benefit
  scum
  , AND FA was having NONE of that. FA is
  town
  here all the way.
  
  
• 1950 makes me think Drixx is
  town
  .
  
  
• 713/715 with titus = strange interaction
  
  
• zmuffinman maybe not
  scum
  . not very confident on this one though
  
  
• 1959/1962 kinda feels like
  town
  vs.
  scum
  , so a clear point to nancydrew's credit given a titus
  scumflip
  .
  
  
• i think
  town
  almost entirely was on the titus wagon yesterday, because
  scum
  held her as precious to their survival. this is apparent given the total unstated and stated reluctance to a titus lynch by several players. If
  scum
  had helped by bussing titus, i have absolute faith that the last day phase would not have lasted as long as it did.
  
  
• 1965 by titus asks why tw, hebi and shiro need to be reinvestigated. maybe a
  scum
  buddy is in there?
  
  
• 2177 may be trying to get a
  scum buddy
  townread
  
  
  
• 2183: "Shiro and random are just lurkers and just tentative based on votes."
  scum buddy
  there imo, and it's definitely not random/mathblade.
  
  
• i'm pretty sure shiro is
  scum
  . toranaga is
  town
  from what would be harmful interactions with titus on d1 if toranaga was
  scum
  with titus. additionally, i don't feel torg changes vote to creature if
  scum
  with titus and just accepts the distancing attempt at eod last day phase
  
  
• 2195 human sequencer noted
  
  
• 2212 = perfect post for Titus to include partner in somewhere
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• shiro is most likely
  scum
  imo.
  
  
• titus attacks players d1 for fa as leader vote. only numbers, toranaga, shiro and cerb who is
  conftown
  voted for fa as leader.
  scum
  faction may have killed cerb to deflect attention away from fa vote wagon given scum flip of numbers and how titus had pushed it and it had been correct, and how titus knew that fa leader pick was
  scum-motivated
  = probably 2 scum exactly voted for fa as leader.
  
  
• by proven flips and PoE, 123 is
  scum
  , torg is
  town
  , and cerb is
  town
  . So this means only shiro makes sense as
  scum
  here. this is clear given titus did not really check on the other 2 players for their votes on fa d2, meaning she really didn't have incentive to continue there because of cerb
  townflip
  . She thereby is excused to drop it after that, so she could continue to "coast" d2 by pushing a different angle with an excuse to move away from that pool of players. I think she nightkills someone else n1 and continues to promote that perspective being possible regarding the other 3 players if none of the others were
  scum
  , or at least allows
  town
  themselves to pursue that. Given she dropped it and her faction killed cerb makes me think shiro is also a
  scumpartner
  of titus.
  
  
  
  
• Scum
  titus probably does not question
  scum
  zmuffinman on a conclusion of brassherald and nicorobin being scum together, and given both the questions are about
  townplayers
  being
  scumread
  (i know this as brassherald = ank and nicorobin =stungun = me now), this was probably an attempt to gain towncred and not have a
  scum
  partner flesh out a response, but i might be wrong here. Further, i think this means she would question
  townreads
  on
  scum
  partners, like shiro, which she did in fact question d1.
  
  
• Supposedly, Titus states in 2032 she pushed Shiro and UFO (which she keeps referring to vaguely and i have figured out that is toranaga), but this is far from the truth. Only early mentions of shiro in her entire iso before that are in 870, where titus asked about an early
  townread
  on zmuffinman (who might be
  town
  , idk?) and specifically shiro just because "no cookies". What kind of reasoning to attach to questioning someone over their towniness is that? Titus
  scumreads
  shiro -- who similarly to her number on reads which literally says just "eat rope" in her reads list, Titus says "
  scum
  . no cookies."
  
  
• But yet titus never stated a real reason for early
  scumread
  on shiro. Numbers also goes on to
  townread
  shiro after a few other players
  townread
  him, echoing in a sense. Titus never really engaged in anything meaningful with shiro, and apparently her stance on shiro changed after he posted a post including just a cookie. What?
  
  
• Yet the real oddity D2 is that Titus starts out in post 2032 saying she pushed UFO and Shiro "
  A LOT
  " on day 1 when this in fact is far from the truth. Toranaga/UFO, yes. Shiro, absolutely not. What this reads like to me is Shiro was one of her more widely
  townread
  scum
  partners, and Titus wanted to give a
  scum
  partner a superpower, and so chose to
  townread
  Shiro. Shiro furthered this by going for the clear towncred option of mediumship.
  
  
• What the interaction regarding the word a lot being used there might indicate is shiro and titus may have planned to push each other on d1 in the
  scum
  pt, but really didn't follow through with it. I think this may be the case here.
  
  
• The power of it lies in the fact that the mediumship power gives shiro the ability to continue to look
  towny
  on the basis of his action alone. Additionally, Shiro was heavily pushing at that awkward angle of frozen angel
  scum
  last day phase, which at this point just seems like it was an effort trying to distract away from titus
  scum
  by pinning suspicion on the other leader instead when titus clearly was the
  scummier
  of the two leaders i would say without any doubt. Moreover, Shiro really pushes at the Sando mislynch wagon, hard-defending Titus in the process. And her
  confscum
  read, "coming from cerb", on me was probably because i was reading the game decently and trending in a direction that scared shiro!
  scum
  , so he wanted to see if "cerb" would be enough to get a wagon forming on me with a
  confscum
  read on me. Further, "SHIRO STILL PUSHES THE ANGLE ON ME BEING
  SCUM
  BY SAYING, MAYBE WITH FROZEN ANGEL." If this isn't far fetched and a desperate attempt of throwing possibility > probability into play to save a
  scum
  partner, then i don't know what is. This scum tell is one for one for me with a caught titus now, as i stated randomization of power roles was favoring possibility way too heavily.
  
  
• Now, that reads as a blatant attempt to desperately promote confusion about the gamestate to me, because i don't know how town could possibly be this far off. And yet encourage another mislynch in sando. That's 3 ml's supported, including fa and i. You'd think Shiro would have
  conftown-read
  Titus the way he was pushing against it yesterday with "Cerb agreeing." i don't believe this bs at all.
  
  
• 2459 from ank noted.
  
  
• Nosferatu may yet be
  town
  . I've still not made a definite conclusion there. I don't think he's clear successor to titus being
  scum
  now that i have seen titus flip
  scum
  and reconsidered things. But he may still be
  scum
  .
  
  
• Mathblade is clear
  town
  after titus flip. There's zero need for him ever to make post 2317 against
  scum
  titus if partners.
  Town
  vs.
  Scum
  , clearly.
  
  
• 2309 scum is not
  obvtowning
  a read of a
  scum
  partner here--fa--who isn't even really under danger. reads like buddying all the way, here.
  
  
• sando was framed last day phase, this should be clear now with titus
  scum flip
  given a); the immediate and early-on somewhat unrelenting push against sando to start the day phase following a fake cop guilty by nos called out by sakura hana, and the continuation of it as counter to titus likely served as a
  scum-encouraged
  shield to titus, whose flip would be gamebreaking. And B). The last vote ankamius made while alive in this game was on Sando, and I think if Sando AND Titus were
  scum
  together, then it would be screwing their faction as a whole to make this kill (risks i feel outweigh rewards) and given the overall reluctance to a Titus lynch, I don't think they would want to put another partner under fire as well. Too much turbulence from an ank kill afflicts both Sando and Titus too much for that
  scum
  team to advocate that kill, given they are both quite experienced. This holds unless you think I am
  scum
  with Titus and Sando. That's up to you to decide. I have more defending that team not being plausible, but will only defend it if necessary.
  
  
• That serious push against Sando looks to have a sketchier motive after a Titus
  scum
  flip. I will go back and look at who pushed against Sando there, or encouraged that push to continue without laying a vote down.
  
  
• Next, both the amount of stated and unstated resistance to the titus lynch and high number of decently supported counterwagons directly proves that
  scum
  held the titus chip as a centerpiece that was particularly important to their faction's survival. Which suggests by consequence it has that game-breaking potential.
  
  
• Now, Toog stated highest confidence
  townread
  on now
  confscum
  Titus. And defended it pretty hard. He promised to reread, and I will give him his chance there. Idk how the numbers flip made titus
  towniest
  though in his impression. But clearly now I proved my impression of the bad
  townreads
  on Titus and the fact that
  scum
  very likely picked optimal distancing spots and positioning on the numbers wagon to be true. So, if
  town
  , toog should be a lot more careful there. The whole body of work of Titus was definitely
  scummier
  than it was
  towny
  , to the extent where looking at it and examining the evidence that lead to us lynching her makes it difficult to defend titus as
  town
  .
  
  
• And unfortunately i switched off titus lynchwagon to creature for a short time period. I blame lack of sleep (got two hours the night before), and the distracting temptation of a creature pressure wagon. i, however, still wanted titus lynched primarily and would have stayed focused there if i was not either distracted by the creature wagon or if i had gotten more sleep and been able to recognize why exactly i was pushing titus. it seems i dropped everything with that one distraction in an instant, but at least i switched right back realizing my mistake after hebichan (thank you!) questioned me. And also i may have cracked a little to the pressure of having the titus
  scumflip
  ride entirely on me being correct (some votes sheeped me and i've never felt that kind of pressure before); i felt there was a lot of weight being given to my push and i had some very slight inklings of doubt at various stages. Overall, though i will stand by my creature vote and own it like a man.
  
  
• Toog's defense of titus was sketchy, though, because it seemed entirely based off quick analysis of numbers lynch wagon. That is the easiest place for a
  scum
  player to begin analyzing the game, so Toog might be
  scum
  . And he criticizes my analyzing methods consistently because why? Given I correctly got a
  scumflip
  d1, maybe drop that today.
  
  
• Toog completely neglected myloninja
  town
  wagon. Por que?
  Town
  wagon reasoning can be more telling IMO than
  scum
  wagon reasoning, on the surface, unless a player is clearly not
  scum
  based on sustained interactions that would be clearly
  scum
  suicide if two players were
  scum
  together. There was nothing
  scum
  suicide about titus vs. numbers. In fact, it did not even read natural to me, and my suspicion there has now proven correct. So idk out of all players on the numbers vote wagon, you had the highest confidence on titus being
  town
  and argued my
  scumread
  of Titus was "painting picassos", and how you continually stuck up for titus. IDK how you concluded Titus to be
  towniest
  , but clearly that was faulty.
  
  
• But right now i think toog is likelier to flip
  town
  than shiro, but both could be
  scum
  together imo. Maybe even with creature, or even tw.
  
  
  
• Shiro stated
  townread
  from cerb on toogeloo for something that did not look
  town-indicative
  to me at all, i remember, which was strange. I don't think anyone else iirc tr toogeloo off that evidence or anything else, which is even stranger. I think if it genuinely came from cerb, people would clearly sense that. But this does not seem real.
  
  
• I'm feeling a numbers-titus-shiro-creature-toogeloo
  scum
  team as a real possibility right now. Only after the titus flip did this entire connection make sense to me.
  
  
• Scum
  really didn't want a titus lynch, so i'm thinking (along with some slightly suss interactions with human sequencer and flipped
  scum
  and creature's growing lurkiness) that
  scum
  might have helped pile on a
  scum
  buddy who is MIA last minute in an effort to distract away from and avoid a titus lynch. Titus may have collapsed in the waning hours and self-voted due to another
  scum
  buddy being the clear counterwagon with only hours left in the day phase. Titus ran as main counterwagon to flipped
  scum
  in numbers anyway on D1, so why not do that again with 1 less
  scumplayer
  remaining in the game?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• Now another thing that concerns me about shiro is why wouldn't
  town
  shiro detect and call into question the fact that titus switched from "
  scum
  " on D1 read of her to "
  town
  " read to her over literally nothing on D2 (when Titus was leader), and instead assess it as a possible pocketing attempt given how drastic and quickly formed the change was and that there wasn't like any posts or any sort of reasoning provided in the ISO of titus in between to account for the "
  town
  " read of shiro. And then titus gives a power to shiro? After being
  scum read
  by titus on D1. Why not at least question the change in her stance, even if her
  scum
  reasoning was jocular? That is hella sketchy to me. Oh, and ANKAMIUS had shiro in her sketchy section with Titus. Hmm, I wonder why. Shiro could have "confirmed" Ankamius as telling the truth about Titus, especially IF TITUS SURVIVED ANOTHER DAY and Shiro "CLEARED" titus. Clear
  scum
  gambit to me to
  townread
  the ever-living hell out of titus as a last-ditch effort to protect against her lynch, using cerb to advance it, and insist on Titus not getting lynched so heavily when instead you should have questioned the blatant discrepancy in reads of Titus between D1 and D2 on you with like no reason or further explanation attributed to it. Way to work a
  scum
  partner into your PR zone, Titus!
  
  
• Scum
  partner likely took place of ank--who was nk'd--in pr zone. This is an absolute given if shiro is
  scum
  with titus, as you would not nk someone and give them a power.
  
  
• Also, only 2 players getting powers--pushing that through cerb is ridiculously short-sighted and not something
  town
  would advocate like ever. So don't act like he did. FA's reaction to this was
  town
  as hell, and YOU KNOW IT. And yet you call me out for it because you don't want to admit it. For you to soon after throw out a
  confscum
  read on me through "Cerb" is so nutso to believe this stance is coming from
  town
  "Cerb". I would reckon he'd be more cautious with
  confscum
  reads than that.
  
  
• I literally did not even have a
  confscum
  read on Titus myself last day phase nor did anyone ever state a
  confscum
  read on anyone, so WTF IS "CERB'S" SUPPOSED CONFIDENCE ABOUT? What utter bullshit to try and force a
  town
  mislynch on me and thus save Titus. You basically had a
  conftown
  read on Titus, though you didn't explicitly state it, and wouldn't back up what game it was in when i asked you about when Titus had a poor vca as
  town
  (and some of your meta is hard to understand when i looked into it to try to confirn this myself in that you have played in weird anime games where you posted in but never assumed your actual account here and who was who was never stated anywhere; what a mindfuck). And supposedly cerb remembers this too? My ass; no other player in this game attested to that off memory. You wanted to try and prove Titus was
  town
  to solidify the chances of your faction making it further into the game by spirit mediuming ank to confirm power. How is this
  towny
  at all? I can't see the degree of this confidence push coming from
  town
  here.
  
  
• 937 from numbers looks like a faked reaction to me, and thus would support HS-
  scum
  , and thus the creature slot being
  scum
  . That and creature's iso is not that focused on playing
  towny
  . He didn't even have a vote down at EoD last day phase, so I suggest he is next push after Shiro.
  
  
• Both flipped
  scum
  had heavy and consistent regard for zmuffinman
  town
  . This might mean he is in fact
  town
  . Titus had stated a
  townread
  on sakura, who is pretty much
  locktown
  at this point.
  
  
• Shiro was also
  town
  from the reads list of numbers--the other flipped
  scum
  --without any reasoning ever stated for why. Just simply followed the flow there, after toranaga and others stated shiro was
  likely town
  d1.
  
  
• Also shiro blatantly was not getting all that information from cerb at the same time he posted it, as i brought attention to the fact that cerb was not even online, and yet shiro dished out a spamfest of information from him to distract away from a titus lynch. You should read this as utter distraction and not being anything else but that.

VOTE: Shiro, who is a very heavy scumread for me, but i do encourage this day phase to last at least 3-4 days.

TLDR; Shiro is the closest thing to lockscum for me. Nasty associatives with both flipped scum and a blatant spree of lies to save Titus last day phase (Cerb confscum reading me and scumreading Frozen Angel). I don't believe either of those pushes. I am more confident about Shiro being scum than I was about Titus last day phase. I can't see Shiro ever flipping town this game.

We should definitely lynch Shiro today. The scum team of numbers-titus-shiro might include possible additions of Creature, Toogeloo, TW, Kokichi, or Nos (although nos looks a little better to me now), and a few others to varying degrees. But mainly i am thinking creature and toogeloo are the other two that solve this game.

I'm also townblocking all of Frozen Angel, Toranaga, Mathblade, Sakura Hana, Sando, and Stungun. As long as we stick together here, and we continue to townblock cleverly outwards, we're a force to be reckoned with.

The townblock i created includes all 3 of the other players ank townblocked and i agree fully on now, and then sando and sakura added to the pool.

High degree of resistance, both unstated and expressed, to Titus lynchwagon suggests there is quite a bit of town on that wagon, for if scum bussed or lots of them followed on then securing that lynch should have been way easier.

Drixx is looking townish to me now, so maybe future addition to townblock? Idk.












The TLDR TLDR: Shiro is almost positively scum, and we are best off lynching her today.

lol








Another pretty damning point. Shiro has been heavily active, but where the hell was she when we were organizing our votes last day phase. She never committed with us.

[Toranaga]

scum kinda helped with the shiro lynch

tbh after the titus flip I was thinking shiro was probably town but a necessary lynch

scum saved the day by killing her

also lolshiro

[Toranaga]

VOTE: the worst

[Toranaga]

If you want to lynch me I actually don't hate that idea as much as I probably should? I am a mislynch but it'd be spicy.

pedit: towny vote

I'm kinda just there now

it's not a strong read anyway

[Toranaga]

Toranaga who did you power mimic night 2/night 3?

hi

no one on n2 cause I'm stupid

and drixx n3 cause I'm stupid

[Toranaga]

I got no results on drixx which... yeah he was never on anyone's PR list

I just thought it was alright to check it cause maybe drixx is scum due to association with titus

[Toranaga]

oh wait

that's wrong

I do have a result on drixx

[Toranaga]

drixx used impenetrable skin last night apparently, since I got a one shot use of it.

[Toranaga]

the worst already feels like town as per his reaction to getting wagoned here + reads

I could be down to lynching creature

katsuki... I got the impression he was spewing himself town after titus self hammered cause they had a little spat, but who knows what levels wolves are

[Toranaga]

Toranaga who did you power mimic night 2/night 3?

hi

no one on n2 cause I'm stupid

and drixx n3 cause I'm stupid

Did you say did on fa n2 though? Because i swear i recall that somewhere

n1 fa
n2 no one
n3 drixx

[Toranaga]

I'm impressed that cerb w/w associative read between stungun and FA was actually cerb

also I'm very appreciative of anyone with a Borat avatar in 2018

[Toranaga]

Possibility anyone redirected onto Shiro btw? FA seems unlikely given leader protection (not sure how that would work anyway), but Math and Sakura? I haven't tracked PRs close enough to know if this was possible.

I think there is a redirection ability yeah

it seems incredibly potato to NK shiro but I'm not putting past wolfteam that they did just that

[Toranaga]

UNVOTE:

[Toranaga]

katsuki... I got the impression he was spewing himself town after titus self hammered cause they had a little spat, but who knows what levels wolves are

You're playing on ms this is not mu.

ok ms girl

do you think katsuki is scum? I'm down to lynch it anytime.

[Toranaga]

so I think FA elected drixx to have a superpower

drixx chose impenetrable skin

there's no scum motivation to doing so unless drixx wants to be caught having that ability which is kinda thin

abilities like *petrification* are much more relevant if you're a wolf there

so yeah my result seems good for drixx

[Toranaga]

I didn't use phasing last night

the remaining scum killed shiro cause he could talk with ank today maybe

if true then no scum has power negation to just disable shiro it seems

maybe, but someone else could have phasing I think?

[Toranaga]

VOTE: katsuki

[Toranaga]

a power of "Reveal superpower team on Night 2" is ridiculously dumb and nearly bastard and mechanically stupid.

It's punishing the scum team for doing some high level manipulation.

I highly doubt something like that ever exists in this game.

And yeah power mimic would be a guilty if it was used on someone we would'nt expect to see their powers and they somehow magically had something but I doubt scum would actually worry about that if they wanted to some sirious manipulations with power teams/ do something bold like forcefully taking power negation by a fifth disguised member. the reward of such move was way higher and the risk of being discovered by an out of nowhere power mimic

LOL I've seen worse. *flashes back to Shadowrun*

Like Titus put in a cop as a reward to the mission and so while I was being obvTown and manipulating BaeReed I then had to get the cop check off Scout and then have it land on the traitor I had to kill because town gave me a gun. I was literally punished for actually doing my job as scum.

Until I know what powers come up I wouldn't discount anything. But yeah it's probably just more paranoia.

So let's go with the assumption Ank never received powers, who would Titus give powers to?

Pedit: Fair enough. And scum couldn't risk Ank actually screaming out "Hey I have no powers".

Okay I'm sold so who would Titus give a power to that is a lurker. IMHO not Creature because he's got a target on his back at the end of Day Three. I'm thinking Toog or the worst or maybe UFO?

Pedit: Agreed.

maybe UFO?

look, I'm not a mafiascummer. if I was pushing titus as early and as hard as I was it's because I'm not wolfing with her.

[Toranaga]

I now understand shiro was probably killed because scum!titus did not give ank any powers.

[Toranaga]

Okay I'm sold so who would Titus give a power to that is a lurker. IMHO not Creature because he's got a target on his back at the end of Day Three. I'm thinking Toog or the worst or maybe UFO?

This is like a ghost hunt cause titus wouldn't choose who she wanted to give power to. it was her teammate so she had limited choices in first place. I don't think we can find scum by spinning the chess board here

I don't see Titus actively imploding on her buddy who could have gotten lynched instead of her. Scum Titus already bussed 123456789 on day one. Redirecting the lynch onto Creature if scum without powers is just bad but if he would be scum with powers is just even worse. If that went through that's like saving your right foot by cutting off your left leg.

In regards to you UFO you were saying it sure. However on Day Three when it mattered you waffled on Titus if memory serves and weren't voting Titus. What good are reads if you don't actually follow through with them? I don't take into factor your day one pushes for that reason. Your day one play is remarkably different. If anything it contributes to the narrative Titus was trying to sell and you could naturally change your mind. I don't think Titus anticipated being wagoned on day three like she was and got angry because of it.

you just don't understand how I play mafia

I knew titus was outed from the moment she claimed sando was *maybe bussing* her

the whole EOD thing was building another wagon so we could get reads off of that

I openly stated I faked a strong creature wolfread when I got concerned people were not lynching titus

get on my level

[Toranaga]

I looked at creature iso. I think I suck at reading slots that don't post content

like if he was shit posting or posting stuff that were not making any sense then I would be sure he is scum

I don't know what he is here

you're so villagery

and yeah I agree, if he was trying to post anything contentful I'd manage a read on him. his ISO is NAI and I was bating people into voting there to make my own reads. I think creature is town because of small passing thoughts he posted that come from a standpoint of creature being a villager. without provoking him to do more, it's impossible to tell because he is uninvested in the game. but he is not wolfy. I lied to see what happened.

^

[Toranaga]

an outed "going down anyway" wolf isn't any good for anybody

it helps wolves bus and doesn't create any relevant interactions

/shrug

[Toranaga]

kind of a non presence

weird for gamma

should ISO and see what's up with that at some point

[Toranaga]

Someone help out my paranoia:

Someone please tell me Frozen Angel didn’t pick up Power Negation. Like she does phasing N1 to deflect cop checks off her then picks up power negate to make kills easier. Like that’s where my moonlogic side is going atm. Especially with the Shiro kill. Ugh. Like help?

Mathblade I got u a present

Spoiler: your present

FA didn't pick power negation
FA is 85% town here

85%?

FA and titus interactions on d1 makes FA a villager 99% of the time imo

also how do you know she didn't pick power negation? just wondering.

[Toranaga]

So working from this list

Creature

-- Likely mislynch

Drixx

-- Was left off the list per Titus's claims but moonlogicky possible on N2 but I doubt it

Frozen Angel

-- on the list
Gamma Emerald
hebichan
Katsuki
Kokichi Oma

MathBlade
Nancy Drew 39

-- Both of us on the list
Nosferatu

Sakura Hana

Sando
stungun0404
Theta Alpine
the worst
Toogeloo
Toranaga

So someone in this list

Mafiascum is super slow for me atm so I'm gonna be back later and hopefully it's better.

So your reasoning for FA being wrong about it being a crapshoot to work out the person Titus gave powers to instead of Ank is to make a list of the alive people that weren't in the Titus list and also remove Creature because of mislynch potential?

FA - If I had a gun and 2 bullets you could have one.

lol

[Toranaga]

are both Titus and FA obscenely good scum btw?

I like to say they're readable.

^

no offense @FA

titus is easier I feel. she hasn't really ever fooled me as scum afaict.

[Toranaga]

hardcoreUFO isn't being a headache rn, so it's a good sign.

see, these little posts make creature town

I'm not liking it cause it's a townread, I'm liking it cause I understand the me "being a headache" level of reasoning to suspect me and how this is different.

[Toranaga]

fair to note bbmolla actually outed he picked titus n1

[Toranaga]

Someone help out my paranoia:

Someone please tell me Frozen Angel didn’t pick up Power Negation. Like she does phasing N1 to deflect cop checks off her then picks up power negate to make kills easier. Like that’s where my moonlogic side is going atm. Especially with the Shiro kill. Ugh. Like help?

Mathblade I got u a present

Spoiler: your present

FA didn't pick power negation
FA is 85% town here

85%?

FA and titus interactions on d1 makes FA a villager 99% of the time imo

also how do you know she didn't pick power negation? just wondering.

?? She said she did

And why 99% of the time?

This is fucking Titus we are talking here.

I mean from FA side

btw math I love playing with you and you're much better than me at 80% of the game, but you're kinda tone deaf and I hope you realise that weakness cause you're actually scum leaning me and suspicious of FA which are both horrifically bad reads

[Toranaga]

what do we think of toogeloo? I have no idea what the thread consensus on them is and maybe we should go back to bbmolla's d2 outing that he actually picked titus as leader as something maybe resolvable tbh

[Toranaga]

uhh I felt like every time I saw SANDO'S posts they were just an endless wall of mechanics. not knowing a lot about his scumgame I figured he was just avoiding posting AI stuff because he was scum so I naked lolvoted him to L-2 and he entered the deathtunnel. he did case me before that but his case is heavily fuelled by the fact he's consistently awful at reading me and has no idea how I approach the game as scum

part of why I'm ok with my lunch is because it'll force Sando to reengage since I'm p sure he's town and he's actually invested in this game

wanna get more lamist so I drop my townread on you?

[Toranaga]

TORANAGA FROZEN ANGEL SCUMTEAM CONFIRMED

I wish

[Toranaga]

math, it doesn't matter if you scumread me or not, it's just ??? and annoying me. have you read my ISO? based off the flips and how I played the game so far I don't think it's difficult to realise I'm likely town.

I don't think this every game. I think this when it's obvious.

[Toranaga]

the worst either town or extremely good wolf

[Toranaga]

If y'all get tired of Toogeloo wagon I have another wagon in mind.

say it

[Toranaga]

I'm fairly certain I can't read mathblade and I hope I didn't accidentally posted anything that looks like I'm townreading them. you guys are so I'm rolling with it.

[Toranaga]

VOTE: toogeloo

out for the day

[Toranaga]

anyone trusting me enough to go me/fa as leader votes today?

[Toranaga]

anyone trusting me enough to go me/fa as leader votes today?

Honestly I think it's about time we start looking at making the most of the leaders protection ability (allowing them to investigate in some way) rather than playing purely defensive with the picks. But then I've been against a 3rd instalment of FA for a few days now.

I have an investigative ability fwiw

[Toranaga]

@UFO why didn’t you target Shiro?

cause I believed shiro

why would I target shiro? that sounds really silly

[Toranaga]

@UFO why didn’t you target Shiro?

cause I believed shiro

why would I target shiro? that sounds really silly

To get his medium power.

oh well
I was trying to catch sketchy people instead

[Toranaga]

a player can use factional and super powers in same night:

9. Unless otherwise specified, players may only use one Superpower per Night Phase. For Aspiring Villains, this is in addition to any factional abilities they may have (including their factional nightkill).
10. Factional Abilities for the Aspiring Villains are not treated as Superpowers.

Derp

Then still why nothing N2? I am having trouble thinking of a town reason to not do it.

I just forgot

like you know, you in that alisae game.

like people who forget to vote leader.

/shrug happens

[Toranaga]

On Sando, I could see a bad bus scenario because there was time to change. However I do find the odds of that so remote as to take him out of the lynchpool today. Toranaga stays though. He is pinging me hard core.

for absolutely no reason btw

everyone else is locktowning me and you're wrong and have no case

[Toranaga]

On Sando, I could see a bad bus scenario because there was time to change. However I do find the odds of that so remote as to take him out of the lynchpool today. Toranaga stays though. He is pinging me hard core.

for absolutely no reason btw

everyone else is locktowning me and you're wrong and have no case

1) I do have a case.
A) Your power selection is shit
B) Your Titus interactions are sketchy AF.

2) So what everyone else is locktowning you? If that actually made people town then almost all of my recently completed scum games were bastard because I was scum in the scum PT and the mod said post game I was scum. I had to be town those games though. I form reads and ask for sanity checks of the arguments. If the arguments hold the read holds. The only thing countering my points is you were in another game and that doesn’t mean a buddy didn’t submit something for you even if true. So since no one has destroyed the argument it stands.

zzzzzzzzzz

I'll just ignore your whole whatever you're doing here

fine with the toogaloo lynch

hf

[Toranaga]

FA, who the hell is trog?

[Toranaga]

VOTE: Toogeloo

I meant this not toranaga

lol ok

[Toranaga]

It's

L-3

rn i believe guys so let us be cautious

Toog slot is very likely scum but let us spin the length of this day phase to our advantage

question: will i look townier if a toog scum flip happens given i chose this slot easily from the two options bc i thought it was way townier?

you'd look townier if you didn't ask ridiculous stuff like this

[Toranaga]

who should be elected as leader?

I have one shot BP thing so maybe not me?

[Toranaga]

It's

L-3

rn i believe guys so let us be cautious

Toog slot is very likely scum but let us spin the length of this day phase to our advantage

question: will i look townier if a toog scum flip happens given i chose this slot easily from the two options bc i thought it was way townier?

you'd look townier if you didn't ask ridiculous stuff like this

i'm tired of having to defend myself this day phase after playing a very critical part in us securing a titus lynch yesterday. Sorry about this

remember I have knocked you off of wagoning creature though

my whole play last EOD was trying to make creature a wagon but lynching titus

[Toranaga]

who should be elected as leader?

I have one shot BP thing so maybe not me?

I am thinking people in the PR group without BP.

Agreed on you I don’t trust you 100%

Someone give me a list of who is left?

you don't have to post that you don't trust me or scumread me all the time

it's annoying to deal with so maybe don't?

[Toranaga]

who should be elected as leader?

I have one shot BP thing so maybe not me?

I am thinking people in the PR group without BP.

Agreed on you I don’t trust you 100%

Someone give me a list of who is left?

you don't have to post that you don't trust me or scumread me all the time

it's annoying to deal with so maybe don't?

I am not concerned with “annoying” I am concerned with what I feel is right. If that annoys you sorry not sorry.

it's annoying cause it's ridiculously horrible case and it's probably not even wolfy of you to make it

[Toranaga]

It's

L-3

rn i believe guys so let us be cautious

Toog slot is very likely scum but let us spin the length of this day phase to our advantage

question: will i look townier if a toog scum flip happens given i chose this slot easily from the two options bc i thought it was way townier?

you'd look townier if you didn't ask ridiculous stuff like this

i'm tired of having to defend myself this day phase after playing a very critical part in us securing a titus lynch yesterday. Sorry about this

remember I have knocked you off of wagoning creature though

my whole play last EOD was trying to make creature a wagon but lynching titus

look at my entire iso last day phase and you would see i made several points that worked to tituses disadvantage, nancydrew chose to sheep me iirc with her first vote of the day phase giving me pressure there, and i think someone else sheeped me but i do not remember who

I made several points against that apparently stuck with ppl. then i got distracted by a creature lynchwagon--who i can prove is 2-0 in his scum games against me. If somebody is undefeated against you in scum games, that is a distraction

I know. I'm not wolfreading you and never did. creature wagon was pretty bad though. a bunch of the votes there were really alarming.

[Toranaga]

ok math tunnel me until I'm dead who cares

[Toranaga]

i had had a whole pack of skittles and half of one of those big bags of nerds so im on a little bit of a high

no such thing as a sugar rush I heard

[Toranaga]

pretty sure creature is town
so he might be a good pick

sensible reads, huh?

interesting

[Toranaga]

Drakura Sixx sounds like a band name

anyone wanna start a band?

will you be the vocals?

[Toranaga]

what are we waiting for to kill toogeloo?

[Toranaga]

I'm lynching toog cause bbmolla mostly

I haven't even read the guy to any extent although when he is scumreading FA of all people I know I'm not losing anything

[Toranaga]

Seriously, give me a reason to care, I asked someone to catch me up, no one did.

I barely read any of day 3's stuff very closely so I am apparently grossly misremembering what happened, and no one has given me a power so I haven't even wanted to care since like day 2.

I have no idea what the gamestate is even or who has powers.

I find extremely egoist for you to replace out this late into the game and I think your contributions have been fair and you've been villagery

IDK what math is doing right now tbh. his reads seem very poor and I don't think his wolf team guess contains wolves.

[Toranaga]

but it is kinda strange that torg was town-reading titus for a list without many hard stances, i do admit

she said something that disarmed me in that reads list. she said she was having trouble reading me cause all I was doing was trying to fight her. she also scumread shiro who I was scumreading at the time. it really just resonated with me.

I wanna let it known that I was the first pushing titus, I was the first voting titus and casing her for things a lot of people agreed were wolfy of her, and that whenever my read was shaken, it was always genuine sensible reactions to towny things she was doing in the thread, apart from parts of d3 where I faked townreading titus because I felt it was better to create a reasonable counter wagon to generate reads.

I wanna remind you that I slapped you out of the creature wagon and said titus was obvscum and pushed hard for that lynch. if I flip flopped on it myself later on, it's because titus is a very good wolf who is able to replicate towny feelings when she needs to, and I fell for that.

if there's anything weird or shady that you need me to comment on, just let me know and I will. work with me. I don't think I should be tinfoiled and POE'd down, but if I am I wanna work with town to clear me and move on to targets who actually have any wolf equity.

[Toranaga]

I'm townreading the worst personally

[Toranaga]

I'm not gonna be around at all today

might post again in ~15h

[Toranaga]

I understand the suspicion on both kokichi (who did dick the whole game) and gamma

gamma is being quite the nonpresence, it's weird

I'm still lynching bbmolla for association with titus