A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

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Hi guys, I’m looking forward to playing this game. My hydra partner should hopefully be along later.

This is the Nancy head btw.

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Role correlates strongly with alignment

Not terribly likely in a uPick but it was true in Labrynth.

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Role correlates strongly with alignment

not in an RC game

Not true at all. Your fake claim was diectly connected to Chick’s fake claim, that’s why I suspected you might be Jareth.

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I was expecting a troll role when I submitted my picks, and hoh boy did RC not disappoint.

I am Ginngie, Hated Loyal Gladiator

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Outside of lylo/mylo (which is purely by the numbers, per the role wording), I take one less vote to lynch.
I can gladiate anyone by claiming a guilty on them, but if they're not town-aligned, it'll fail.

I can maybe, MAYBE use this as a conditional cop, IF we can no-lynch after a gladiate (I need to ask RC about this), but if not, yeahhhhh...

Flip the idea: you could discern scum by finding that your action failed.

Gamma is probably town, I think.

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anime gifs are a towntell btw

TW, made a comparable post in Heroes - something about someone’s posts giving him warm fuzzy feels or something and he flipped town.

In any case, early townblocking is more likely to be townie, so long as it’s not over the top.

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Role correlates strongly with alignment

Not terribly likely in a uPick but it was true in Labrynth.

In RC UPicks role very much != alignment

This is my first RC uPick. Thanks for the tip.

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rando isnt tw

Obviously not but I don’t recall scum!random doing much of this in Labrynth - townblocking. Whether it’s AI or not would depend probably on how much of it he does.

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rando isnt tw

Obviously not but I don’t recall scum!random doing much of this in Labrynth - townblocking. Whether it’s AI or not would depend probably on how much of it he does.

calling something a towntell isnt townblocking
plus i think rando was joking

Looking for town tells, isn’t townblocking?

But if he was joking, then yeah, NAI.

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anime gifs are a towntell btw

This is called a joke

Do you speak for random?

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did you just say if he was joking

Yeah, how the hell would I know?

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Because the idea of anime gifs being a towntell is so ridiculous that it's clearly a joke

I didn’t say it was a town tell, I said I thought random saying that was but if he was joking, then I’m obviously wrong about that.

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did you just say if he was joking

Yeah, how the hell would I know?

I can tell english class was never your thing

Why would you think that? It was my 2nd favourite subject in HS and I even seriously considered majoring in it for awhile.

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wanting to look like they're being a townie gamesolving

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did you just say if he was joking

Yeah, how the hell would I know?

I can tell english class was never your thing

Why would you think that? It was my 2nd favourite subject in HS and I even seriously considered majoring in it for awhile.

im glad you didn't then my dude

Why?

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I guess you can't spell savage without 2 As

???

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This whole thing was Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, IC.

Well, Nos would be very wrong about that then.

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Why?

because clearly the fact that you didn't means you found your true passion!

I’m still looking but whatever is or is not my passion isn’t really relevant to this game, I would think. I did do a minor in psych, so maybe that could be.

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This whole thing was Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, IC.

Well, Nos would be very wrong about that then.

I mean, you didn't pick up on random's fairly obvious joke and took it seriously, and then you still didn't really pick up on it when 2-3 people insisted it was a joke, then you didn't pick up on Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, twice.

Oh and the savage thing was me saying that Nos was being a savage and also because he flavourclaimed A it was wordplay

So your track record is pretty bad rn, I've got to say

As I said to Nos, you’d be very wrong about that.

As for rn, yeah probably. I usually make up for it later.

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If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.

Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.

It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it was

me, dio

scum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.

P-pardon me but c-can't the role have added power to it if she lynches a teammate o-or it's just worded like that so she looks good on a role cop? F-for all we know I think the claim is n-nai and it's not like scum mastina w-wouldn't claim it. I-I do think you believe this argument though! You could work in our cafe i-if you wanted that is...

mfw I misclick 1 color over-I mean o-oh deary me whoopsie!
Pedit: I-it can be worded like that to j-just look nice on a rolecop along with having other parts of the role n-no? I don't see why she'd claim that as town in the first place! ...Well it is Mastina

Why are we talking about rolecops? Let marina's claim sort itself, like any Miller claim. I think the simplest solution is Mastina is lying rather than a risk a mislynch 1 shot cop deal. The role makes no sense = probably a lie, sort why later.

My role in my recent MU game made no sense but why do you think she’s lying? I will say that she did lie in Minuet about her role. She fakeclaimed D3 IC iirc? but was in actuality mafia vig, so I would definitely think it’s wise to take hers and probably most early claims with a grain of salt.

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Hi, this is Disquieted. I'll endeavour to be the one signing our posts, so if you see an unsigned post, it's 90% from Nancy.

I'll look at this a bit later. Kinda busy.

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If Mastina is loyal and scum, she would only be able to target other scum. Therefore the role would be set up to 1 for 1 trade with town only if she wins the debate that is a gladiate. In this circumstance, it is strictly worse than a normal gladiate. If she were to target scum, her best case scenario is a no lynch, assuming that is possible, which confirms neither her nor her target as town but allows for her to play as though she has absolute proof that the other player is town--- which falls apart instantly if either of them die as the other becomes confscum.

Thus, if it is indeed as described, it would be completely useless to scum.

It is possible that this is just one ability as part of a JoaT, and with my lack of resources to determine the power-density of this game it is impossible to say more. Working with what there is, however, and believing the claim as it is (as this is the simplest option), makes it town by virtue of it A. the total lack of use to scum, B. the potential use to town at the detriment of the self, and C. the fact that people who aren't me do not consider the role to be strongly indicative of town, making it an unlikely choice for a curveball "you thought it was town but it was

me, dio

scum" role, which I think also contributes to the probability that this is not a JoaT role.

P-pardon me but c-can't the role have added power to it if she lynches a teammate o-or it's just worded like that so she looks good on a role cop? F-for all we know I think the claim is n-nai and it's not like scum mastina w-wouldn't claim it. I-I do think you believe this argument though! You could work in our cafe i-if you wanted that is...

mfw I misclick 1 color over-I mean o-oh deary me whoopsie!
Pedit: I-it can be worded like that to j-just look nice on a rolecop along with having other parts of the role n-no? I don't see why she'd claim that as town in the first place! ...Well it is Mastina

Why are we talking about rolecops? Let marina's claim sort itself, like any Miller claim. I think the simplest solution is Mastina is lying rather than a risk a mislynch 1 shot cop deal. The role makes no sense = probably a lie, sort why later.

My role in my recent MU game made no sense but why do you think she’s lying? I will say that she did lie in Minuet about her role. She fakeclaimed D3 IC iirc? but was in actuality mafia vig, so I would definitely think it’s wise to take hers and probably most early claims with a grain of salt.

Occam's Razor. If a role provides no utility for town in any theory, then it's scum. If there's no scum utility, it's probably town. Those suppose honesty. Yet marina's claim makes zero sense for town as claimed. It does not help scum either. Given mods do not design roles that lack utility, we're looking at mastina lying about some part of her claim or something novel that mastina role counters.

Yeah that definitely makes sense. I’m thinking this is town!you here. This is more like team hydra you then Heroes you. But having the word “hated” in your role is odd. However, RC also has negative utility roles, or at least he did in Labrynth but I agree with you that all RC roles are clearly AI, so it would seem if the role isn’t blatantly AI, something’s probably not right.

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This whole thing was Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, IC.

Well, Nos would be very wrong about that then.

I mean, you didn't pick up on random's fairly obvious joke and took it seriously, and then you still didn't really pick up on it when 2-3 people insisted it was a joke, then you didn't pick up on Nos implying that you can't read between the lines very well, twice.

Oh and the savage thing was me saying that Nos was being a savage and also because he flavourclaimed A it was wordplay

So your track record is pretty bad rn, I've got to say

It’s still ND39 posting right? I recall her saying she had trouble with that in Heroes Wanted

That one post was from my hydra partner. I get ragged on that in almost every game I’ve ever played. It used to upset me but it doesn’t really bother me that much anymore - unless of course it’s excessive like in Hourglass.

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Find a single instance of me lying about my role as scum.

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not automatic; I have to manually trigger it.

Ayyyyyyyyyyy

Thanks IC, that was super helpful

Yeah, I was like wtf when I read that. I honestly don’t understand why anyone tries to falsify their meta. She knew I was in that game.

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Daykill: Innocent Children

vote:Chick

Why?

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lol

i want to do work, please stop giving poor nancy a heart attack that i have to deal with

thx

~dis

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Why did you have a heart attack over getting daykilled?

is that really a question lol

~dis

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Nero, I’m town here, so if this is real, you killed a villa. Congrats - yeah, you’re obviously town here - based on meta. I doubt you pull this crap as scum. Just because I was scum in one game, doesn’t mean I’m scum in every game after that. *sigh*

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Since there's a 30 smilie limit I'll just do x30.

Also, are you asking me something invis?

my face hurts so bad after all those facepalms.

So, you can’t reverse it now? Oh well. Gl town. .

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you killed a villa

you two picked VT....

We don’t choose our roles or alignment only our flavour. Well, I’m sure you will all get a good chuckle out of our flip anyway. :/

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We don’t choose our roles

Didn't we all send in 3 roles? I mean, if you didn't then RC picked for you.


Also its role madness.

We picked our FLAVOUR not our roles. If we got to do that, you wouldn’t be able to kill us. Sadly, that is not the case.

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We picked a reall hillarious flavour. I guess you’ll find out soon enough.

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well now that's all over

i don't like how kuroi popped in with a fairly structured post and ignored all of what just happened

that's my one independent read, i'm done for the day bye

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I'm flavorless :/

We all have a flavour, that’s what we sent in or he chose it for us.

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Nero why do you think we chose VT? Because of our hydra account name?

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I'm flavorless :/

We all have a flavour, that’s what we sent in or he chose it for us.

I just sent in 3 roles (1 kinda had flavor) and RC chose no flavor for me, but I imagine that I taste like salt and licorice taffy.

I did want to be a morlock but I am not. :/

you killed a villa

so I took it as v

an

illa but I guess its just meant to be short for villager. Kinda redundant to go "I'm town, I'm a villager" Like aren't they the same thing?

You also aren't daykilled.

Yeah, I <3 H. G. Wells. Sorry, you didn’t get your pick.

Yeah, villa/villager=town. I was kind of in shock. Yeah, RC told us. I’m sure he got a good laugh about that from his reaction. XD

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unless someone can explain how that has utility as a scum role or fakeclaim

this is a serious lack of critical thinking.

Also, I have a hard time believing that Mastina would send in something like that.

I hate rolling vig-type roles, and this as it determines a lynch is basically the ultimate vig-type role.

then why would you send in a gladiate?

I wrote all the before Nancy's and I's back and forth. I'm not sure how relevant that stuff is now.

+1 to maid's 109

letters don't really need a case

cases are scummy, he said.

In any case, early townblocking is more likely to be townie, so long as it’s not over the top.

You were just in a game were you and scum took full advantage of the "townblock" but I

kinda

agree that "townblocking" is a thing done by mostly bad town.

Why is townblocking something done by bad town? I very rarely have strong scumreads this early in the game but I usually do have some strong townreads. Do you know how many games I’d played as town before I got one scumgame? - like well over 20. I’m really glad I have a hydra partner. I kind of miss the teamwork aspect of it.

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Also, Ginngie-
Did you get anything from RC saying you recognised Mastina or anything similar?

I don't think so.
If she did, it should have also been in my role PM; it was not.

Titus, the role makes plenty of sense and it's not a miller

Fun fact, Gamma's sig given my view on vote/lynch manipulation roles being equivalent to a vig is quite hilariously appropriate given my role.

She fakeclaimed D3 IC iirc? but was in actuality mafia vig, so I would definitely think it’s wise to take hers and probably most early claims with a grain of salt.

While technically true, this is incredibly misleading.
I fakeclaimed D3 innocent child...as a N2 Vigilante. (And once D3 rolled around, I realclaimed my role. So no. Didn't lie. Told the truth!)
Given my stance on Vigilantes.
That in of itself was not a lie.
It was misleading, sure.
But my stance on vigilantes is that when they successfully shoot, they

are

conftown; they are proven to be town, and thus, proven innocent, just as if they were an innocent child. (Why this, in spite of my stance of roles != alignment? Because I am a member of the NRG and I am strongly in favor of the argument of vigs not being mafia-controlled. Nontown, sure. Even antitown, fine. But mafia vigs are a fuck no to me and are borderline bastard. They're not QUITE there, in that they're akin to a mafia Godfather; it is something TREMENDOUSLY powerful for the scum to have and NOT something I want in games out there willy-nilly.)

You can see my full realclaim the moment D3 unfolds, right here.

Spoiler: The Posts in Question

Actual claim: Night 2 Vig; last night, I shot Purrcocet.

(And yes, it's spelled that way. Not Vigilante; Vig. Not N2, Night 2.)

Purrcocet, a scumread of mine no less!, claimed my fucking role. He fucking claimed Night 2 vigilante. I had been

planning

to shoot someone like, say, Kokichi Oma, but as a vig the correct play is to always just fucking shoot your counterclaim especially when you don't get the chance to fucking talk all of D2.

I was basically breadcrumbing this role in every fucking post of mine (I can pull up my VERY specific wordings in a bit), but.
The reasoning for the fakeclaim should be self-evident. I said on D3 I would be an innocent child; that's because you don't fucking give a vigilante to a scum player, and the proof would be in the second nightkill with me having killed Purrcocet. (Well originally I was planning on shooting Kokichi, but. Yaknow. Claimed my exact fucking role, and all that.) By claiming D3 Innocent Child, I would lead scum to think I had no night action; by claiming D3 innocent child, I would lead players to think that I was utterly harmless before D3.

But for SOME fucking reason.

Purrcocet isn't dead.

So.

Purrcocet.
You've got some 'splainin' to do.

BTW investigatives should stay off me; they'd be wasting their action.
I'm a D3 Innocent Child.
If you are wondering, no, not

automatic

; I have to manually

trigger

it.

Investigatives should stay off of me because a gunsmith would get a guilty on me; rolecopping or vanilla copping or neapolitaning me would be a waste because my role would be proven come N2 with a successful vig.

I made it clear from the wording here what my true role is. AUTOMATIC-->guns. TRIGGER-->guns.

I guarantee you.

On D3, after I have triggered my action.

I will be conftown.

Again, I specify TRIGGER. I also was very careful with my wording. I never said that I would trigger my action ON D3. I said, QUITE SPECIFICALLY, I would be conftown on D3 after HAVING triggered my action.

Wrt innocent child shenanigans it's possible they have something to do with the "main characters" this setup is based around

I'm not a main character; my confirmation comes from a different method altogether.

My confirmation method comes from being a fucking vig.

Or they'll just do to you what they did to me and vanillarize-neighborize you.

That'd be their funeral then because it'd turn this game from "not exactly something I want" to "oh fuck you I AM GOING TO WIN THIS SHIT" mode.

Vanillaizing an innocent child wouldn't do much because I go without being conftown in most games, but I was specifically putting A LOT OF EFFORT into the strategy behind my vig; being vanillaized after I worked so hard on that would be a "fuck you".

This is no excuse to not post any reads because you can die before hand.

I have my reasons.

Put it this way.

If a townread of mine gets run up, I'll defend them.

I'll give thoughts on players randomly. Some of these may even be productive.

But I've no reason to give full reads before then.

Also this is a good way to help ensure I

don't

bite the bullet before D3. The suspicion on me helps me stay alive.

I know how to play roles, even ones I'm not particularly fond of. (I mean, I love being conftown, but this is a fairly shitty way to get it.) And I promise you, this is the best possibly strategy for me holding this role.

"Bite the bullet" was another hint, but the strongest hint here was "roles I'm not particularly fond of". What role have I on NUMEROUS different occasions stated I absolutely loathe? That's right. Vigilante. I hate them with a passion, but they have one particular use--being made conftown. It's a SHITTY way to become conftown, but it's becoming conftown nonetheless.

Also, this was me outlining my plan.

I wasn't going to give scumreads because guess what? As a fucking vig, I can let my SHOT do the talking in terms of scumreads.

I never lie about being conftownable as town.

Exaggerate

, yes.

Mislead

, sure!
But lie, fuck no, I know better than that.

So I guarantee you.

I will be conftown.

Here I basically admitted that I was in fact not a D3 IC, because the D3 IC claim was precisely this: misleading, and exaggeration, but still the truth, because by shooting N2, I'd be conftown on D3, just as good as an IC.

I'm gonna guess she's on a team with a vanillarizor or something and planned to explain it away that way or something

Joke's on them if they vanillaize me, actually. I'd laugh my ass off if they tried.

The assumption here was that I wouldn't be vanillaized N1 (after all, they thought I couldn't be conftown until D3 so why vanillaize me N1?), and if they attempted it N2, it presumably wouldn't stop my shot from going off. Thus, why the joke would be on them if they had tried; I'd still have fucked them over with the shot.

VOTE: Katsuki

I buy Katsuki's D5 Innocent Child claim if Katsuki has the two-phase-shifted equivalent of my role. (I

suspect

Katsuki would be able to share details about my role from their own, if so inclined to share, which I imagine Katsuki is not.)

So that's not a lynch ever happening because Katsuki is going to be just as conftown as I am, albeit two phases later than I will be.

Here I stated my suspicion that Katsuki had an Night 4 Vig. I was VERY careful about my wording. Not "two-day-shifted". Two PHASE shifted. And I suspected Katsuki would be able to give details of this.

if we have 2 ics there must be a disadvantage somewhere else

Would you believe me if I said I had an idea of what?

The disadvantage I am referring to here is how Vigs require KILLING, to REMOVE a player from the game--yes, they become conftown by having done so, but shots are DISPROPORTIONATELY likely to be on town (thus why I hate vigs), on top of the chance of failure (thus the gambit to help ensure I'd succeed).

I do not believe for so much as ONE SECOND I was roleblocked, because my claim was D3 Innocent Child.
I do not believe for so much as ONE SECOND I was redirected, because my claim was D3 Innocent Child.
I do not believe for so much as ONE SECOND I was rolecopped N1 to justify them knowing my role, because my claim was D3 Innocent Child.

So Purrcocet survived by some other means.
And I don't buy that it's by a town method.

Sure enough.

Exactly as I roleclaimed.

N2 Vigilante

was

my real role, and

I really did

shoot Purcocet using it.

So like I said.

I don't lie about my role as scum.

BY NECESSITY, I will mislead; the reason I by necessity need to mislead as scum is because I love to do it as town. BY NECESSITY, I will exaggerate, I will play up things, I will make very careful usage of very specific wording. BY NECESSITY, I will try to imply something, when it is something else, but this is done purely to mimic my town meta, and I will always claim the actual real role later.

All fakeclaims have an end date.

All fakeclaims are made knowing a realclaim will need to be made later.

And when I reveal the real claim, the reason for the fakeclaim makes complete and total sense when you view it, because you go, "Oh, I understand why that was done" instantly just by knowing the real role.
You can think of it in this term.
Macho <-> Bulletproof as a switch to make, is in fact a lie.
I would tell it gladly and have done so, specifically because I knew that upon a realclaim, the reasons for me having done so would be abundantly clear. The kind of thing where I don't even need to explain it. I could end up a corpse, and that fact alone, just seeing my flip, would instantly explain my actions.

That's how "lies" of mine work. And that's why I say they're not actually lies. They are, technically speaking, not the truth. But they are a lack of truth, which when you see the truth, you understand why they were done and follow it as having been the optimal play.

Claiming D3 Innocent Child as a N2 vig was a

brilliant

play move,

regardless

of alignment and I'm actually sad I was scum that game because that move would have actually been better were I town. It wasn't really a lie, just me playing the closest I've ever played to my town meta in spite of how little I actually played the game. (Through little fault of my own, mind you.)

If the town hadn't kept quicklynching and I hadn't been so swamped with real life stuff at the time that game coulda been a contender for best scumgame I ever played, but since they did and I was busy I barely got to do anything. BUT I DIGRESS.

Point being.

I don't lie as scum; the closest I come to lying as scum is mimicking my town lies, and when I lie as town, I am most definitively not doing so just for the lulz; there is a clear, role-based reason for the lie and when you see the real role you can understand how it wasn't really much of a lie at all if it was in fact really something you could call a lie because my fondness for wordplay and precise usage of words leads me to carefully selecting words which IMPLY the meaning I want BUT ACTUALLY are me confessing to my real role.

Oh yeah and
VOTE: Skygazer

Very bad vote.

Gamma is probably town, I think.

This is true!

I have no experience with town!you. I wish Ank were here, since she can probably read you the best, right?

Anyway, who are your scumreads so far?

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No one should take mastina claim as conftown claim

we have reasons to be skeptical about what she claimed for

reasons we don't want to share at the moment

. but there are weird things about the claim.

I'm going to read this pages in detail after getting my tea

~Sora

i can probably look at playerlist but am to lazy so is this a FA hydra?

Yes, FA/Shiro and that post seems to be coming from a thought process.

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No one should take mastina claim as conftown claim

we have reasons to be skeptical about what she claimed for

reasons we don't want to share at the moment

. but there are weird things about the claim.

I'm going to read this pages in detail after getting my tea

~Sora

i can probably look at playerlist but am to lazy so is this a FA hydra?

Yes, FA/Shiro and that post seems to be coming from a thought process.

Lol sorry, TOWN thought process.

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No one should take mastina claim as conftown claim

we have reasons to be skeptical about what she claimed for

reasons we don't want to share at the moment

. but there are weird things about the claim.

I'm going to read this pages in detail after getting my tea

~Sora

i can probably look at playerlist but am to lazy so is this a FA hydra?

Yes, FA/Shiro and that post seems to be coming from a thought process.

Lol sorry, TOWN thought process.

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BC his slot has definitely got content so it's something good to ask about

Not convinced it's actually towny looking content and there's a degree to which people are parroting the slight townread from the "he wouldn't fake a dayvig as scum" comment

No, Nero has distinctive town/scum meta. This is definitely town!Nero in this game. Dis and I both agree on this.

Gamma/Nero are our 2 top town reads atm.

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No, Nero has distinctive town/scum meta.

You don't think I can fake it as scum? ok, lol

I suppose that’s possible but based on those links Sakura posted, I have yet to see evidence of that. Your whole reaction to my reaction, sounded sincere to me as well.

Why Vax btw? Because they tr you for the dayvig thing?

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Like Vax scum reading Chick but not voting her while calling MY scumread on her off is talking out of both sides of his mouth and is prob scum, so we agree there. I'm really confused about why the haven't posted players are in different spots.

Oh NM, just saw this.

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Just ISO Vax and they haven’t actually voted for ANYONE yet, so I disagree with your “both sides of the mouth” thing.

I think you misunderstood their post. They were saying your daykill on ME was way off, not your Chick scumread.

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Daykill: Innocent Children

vote:Chick

If this is true. It was an awful shot.

Why would you daykill innocent over chickdee

nm nero is prolly town, but wayyyyyy off

This is about me, not Chick.

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See, this is why

HE

needed to come in and clarify. Whether or not he's voting is irrelevant to him talking out of both sides of his mouth.

but wayyyyyy off

He doesn't specify if he's talking about the daykill or my vote on Chick so I'm not sure why you claiming that it was about one thing but not the other.

Because, it’s pretty clear to me from his ISO that he agrees with your Chick scumread. Sure, it never hurts obviously to clarify but I think he made it really clear what he was referring to because otherwise, what he’s saying makes no sense.

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nero could easily fake the dayvig as scum

Has he ever done anything like that as scum?

Now, that I obviously know it was fake, I interpreted it as an extreme reaction test. Reaction tests are far more likely to done by town for obvious reasons.

[Innocent Children]

Chances of that being a real daykill are basically 0

lol

i want to do work, please stop giving poor nancy a heart attack that i have to deal with

thx

~dis

it was also pretty obvious that this was faked so Vax continuing to harp on how bad my "daykill" was doesn't make a ton of sense drom a town POV and like, he could have just you know...commented and said "oh hey, I wasn't calling your chick vote bad" but he didn't.

I actually bought it and even PMed RC, to find out if I was still alive. Dis was way more sceptical but after all of your facepalm posts and the fact that you seemed upset, made him think it was possible.

[Innocent Children]

nero could easily fake the dayvig as scum

Has he ever done anything like that as scum?

Now, that I obviously know it was fake, I interpreted it as an extreme reaction test. Reaction tests are far more likely to done by town for obvious reasons.

i dunno but im using basic logic here and 90% of the time that trumps meta

daykill: nicorobin

am i town now?

I’m basing my Nero tr on meta not on daykill thing. In Heroes I was scum and Nero town, which was the main basis for my thinking this. re: reaction test.

[Innocent Children]

or he's you know scum that called Chick scum so if it looks like Chick is going to be the lynch today he has a built in excuse to wagon her and THEN laments townNero for a "bad shot" (presumably you are town and Vax is scum) for towncred but slips up and says my reads are "way offfff" when my only read was chick=scum.

But you chose me, to faux daykill, so how was that not a read?

[Innocent Children]

nero could easily fake the dayvig as scum

Has he ever done anything like that as scum?

Now, that I obviously know it was fake, I interpreted it as an extreme reaction test. Reaction tests are far more likely to done by town for obvious reasons.

if you legitimately respond to a dayvig claim on this site then you're scum

Why?

They have ITAs on MU in the mashes, so I don’t see how that follows?

[Innocent Children]

It's interesting that you picked like the only person would wouldn't realise it was a fake daykill, Nero

So, MS never has dayvigs - even in role madness/uPicks? Why not?

[Innocent Children]

A fake daykill is a read?

It implies you thought I could be scum, no? Why else would you do that?

[Innocent Children]

so the hipshoot like that out of nowhere can generally be expected to be fake

So you and Nos, don’t believe that Vax believes it was real and this is why you sr him?

[Innocent Children]

I just checked his wiki, he has been scum 3 times and an SK once and has over 6,500 posts on here. So, if according to site meta, his reaction doesn’t make sense - which is what seems to be the reaction on here? I have never ever seen a fake dayvig/daykill on MU, so Vax’s similar reaction on MU would not be suspicious at all.

[Innocent Children]

I just checked his wiki, he has been scum 3 times and an SK once and has over 6,500 posts on here. So, if according to site meta, his reaction doesn’t make sense - which is what seems to be the reaction on here? I have never ever seen a fake dayvig/daykill on MU, so Vax’s similar reaction on MU would not be suspicious at all.

P.edit. The reason for this, is ITAs are either enabled or disabled in games, so faking a daykill is impossible.

[Innocent Children]

I mean he was criticising not the hipshoot but specifically not shooting Chickadee who also lacks content so it's kinda weird

If he sr Chick and tr me and since Nero had voted Chick, I dunno. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Did you read his reaction as genuine or fake?

[Innocent Children]

I’m not a fan of Chick’s posts but the sheer number of players currently sr her - without any apparent opposition makes me hesitant to vote there.



@Chickadee , what are these “gifts” that you keep offering to send to anyone who sr you? Can you please elaborate some more on that?

[Innocent Children]

Can someone actually summarize why I'm scum?

I will send something to the first person to do so.

you aren't freaking out like you normally do as town.

That's an incredibly stupid reason, and you haven't played with me in quite a while.

chick and jjh are the best votes right now

Even after that gift I sent you?

i wont be talking to scumreads this game btw

Come on, let's go party.

chick has been lackluster and mastina affirmed my vote as a good one, so I have more faith that it's a good vote.

It's the beginning of a large game, which I historically don't do well in. I am usually lack-luster as town.

And Mastina always scum reads me.

Did you get my gift Ginggieee?

Why Gingie in particular?

Are you softing some kind of neigbourizer type of role?

[Innocent Children]

P.edit Or fruit vendor?

But those tend to happen at night.

Have you sent any “gifts” to anyone other then Gingie?

Has Chick sent something to anyone else or is this just a joke?

[Innocent Children]

I don’t know whether this is relevant or not but in Labrynth, scum!Chick spammed a lot.

She was a lot less confident in Heroes then she is on here and Labrynth.

[Innocent Children]

I don’t know whether this is relevant or not but in Labrynth, scum!Chick spammed a lot.

She was a lot less confident in Heroes then she is on here and Labrynth.

Actually, she seems more confident in this game then in Labrynth, so eh.

[Innocent Children]

so mastina do you have a plan for using your gladiate or what?

also are you trying to convince you should not be seen as town for the way you claimed to others? like how is that the most important thing for you right now?

~Sora

Ok I actually think what mastina claimed might be legit. I need to write down scenarios of the way it can interact with my role and talk about this to shiro more.

~Sora

I’m liking Sora’s posts.

I’m also cautiously townleaning Mastina based mostly on tone for now. Her tone seemed different in Minuet. She reads more natural here.

[Innocent Children]

No one should take mastina claim as conftown claim

we have reasons to be skeptical about what she claimed for

reasons we don't want to share at the moment

. but there are weird things about the claim.

I'm going to read this pages in detail after getting my tea

~Sora

i can probably look at playerlist but am to lazy so is this a FA hydra?

Yes, FA/Shiro and that post seems to be coming from a thought process.

Lol sorry, TOWN thought process.

Very curious why this is AI at all.

I’m not a fan of Chick’s posts but the sheer number of players currently sr her - without any apparent opposition makes me hesitant to vote there.



@Chickadee , what are these “gifts” that you keep offering to send to anyone who sr you? Can you please elaborate some more on that?

In a few hours when I get home, I can send you something if you liiiike.

P.edit Or fruit vendor?

But those tend to happen at night.

Have you sent any “gifts” to anyone other then Gingie?

Has Chick sent something to anyone else or is this just a joke?

I sent something to skygazer. And both of them are aware I sent it, according to my role PM.

I don’t know whether this is relevant or not but in Labrynth, scum!Chick spammed a lot.

She was a lot less confident in Heroes then she is on here and Labrynth.

Yes, please do (send me something). That would be extremely helpful, thanks.

Actually, she seems more confident in this game then in Labrynth, so eh.

Don't read me based on labyrinth. I replaced into that game and wasn't terribly terribly invested and also didn't read anything before the point of replacing in.

I tink Sora may be town because it looks like they’re really trying to figure out the game and solve. You disagree?

Like the bolded. I think my suspicion about the number of people sr you may possibly be well founded. Hmmm.

[Innocent Children]

That was a quick change from not explaining to starting to explain.

i said i wouldn't talk to jjh and im not

Reads can change though, aren’t you interested in trying to sort him further - considering others are not currently on the same page as you?

[Innocent Children]

nero could easily fake the dayvig as scum

Has he ever done anything like that as scum?

Now, that I obviously know it was fake, I interpreted it as an extreme reaction test. Reaction tests are far more likely to done by town for obvious reasons.

if you legitimately respond to a dayvig claim on this site then you're scum

Or new you cad

Do you think Vax could be scum then - based on that?

Lady Angel also took it seriously but she seems to be new to this site.

[Innocent Children]

I’m not a fan of Chick’s posts but the sheer number of players currently sr her - without any apparent opposition makes me hesitant to vote there.



@Chickadee , what are these “gifts” that you keep offering to send to anyone who sr you? Can you please elaborate some more on that?

Or, you know, maybe they are scum and scum dont want to save them...

You can’t both be sr Chick and also believe this.

[Innocent Children]

I’m not a fan of Chick’s posts but the sheer number of players currently sr her - without any apparent opposition makes me hesitant to vote there.



@Chickadee , what are these “gifts” that you keep offering to send to anyone who sr you? Can you please elaborate some more on that?

Or, you know, maybe they are scum and scum dont want to save them...

You can’t both be sr Chick and also believe this.

Scum always want to save scum? Or your thinking they are town and scum would be white knighting them?... but then they would be town. Im confused.

I’m saying, unless it’s fake, they can’t all be scum, because scum already has scum chat - so no reason ever for scum to PM scum.

[Innocent Children]

Vax, I'm thunking you rolled scum here.


Also pretty much everyone (save for a few) have played with me, and know my history of being an easy fucking lynch. Unless you guys are going to provide actual reasons, votes off me please.

Chick, why is your RVS vote still on me? I should ask Lady Angel the same thing. Lol

[Innocent Children]

To clarify about things I'm sending, I picked Gin before anything had even happened. I did it right after my first post. I picked her because it was someone I thought I could connect with.

I sent Stargazer something right after she serious-voted me.


And I just sent Innocent Children something, because they were curious.

Yes, I can confirm I received a “gift” from Chick. Based on her play on Labrynth, I doubt she’d do that as scum.

[Innocent Children]

Vax, I'm thunking you rolled scum here.


Also pretty much everyone (save for a few) have played with me, and know my history of being an easy fucking lynch. Unless you guys are going to provide actual reasons, votes off me please.

Chick, why is your RVS vote still on me? I should ask Lady Angel the same thing. Lol

I am a firm believer that votes do not matter

Lemme rephrase this cause I suck at wording things

Keeping a vote on someone and say you scumread someone else doesn’t matter

Okay thanks, I was just wondering.

[Innocent Children]

because scum already has scum chat

how do you know that?

When don’t they?

If you mean day chat specifically, I have no idea but we had it in heroes - a scum PT, so no need for PMs.

[Innocent Children]

P.edit. That’s why I’m thinking that she is extremely unlikely to be linked with anyone she sent PMs to.

[Innocent Children]

I don't think that her being whatever she is and sending pms to other (Skygazer says she didn't even get one) makes it like impossible to pm a buddy b/c that's just decent WIFOM. Sure, you could also say that scum wouldn't send their buddy a pm b/c its too much of a link between 2 buddies but eh....

Anyways, there are better lynches than Chick and she's atleast using her role this time.

Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Scum!Chick likes to fly under the radar or spam - that’s what she did in Labrynth anyway. I’m not sure how her “gifts” figure into it, she may have a visiting role of some sort - not neigbourizer or fruit vendor.

[Innocent Children]

P.edit, I can’t speak for Skygazer but she definitely did send me one.

[Innocent Children]

Sky is claiming she could be ascetic.

That means might possibly explain it but the gift I received has no effect on roles, it seemed to be more of an informational thing, so I’m not sure how ascetic would fit into that?

[Innocent Children]

Not the format that's gonna get used but it is the correct format.

Vaxkiller (4): Nero Cain, Invisibility, jjh927, Nosferatu
Chickadee (3):

Ginngie

, randomidget, Mastina
Innocent Children (2): Chickadee, Lady Angel
Mastina (1): Maid Cafe
Invisibility (1): Nicorobin

Not Voting: Rylai and Lina, Gamma Emerald, Skygazer, Titus, KuroiXHF, Porkens, Whemestar, Vecna, Wh4t

With 22 alive it's 12 to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2018-09-25 18:00:00)

If Ginngie received the same gift from Chick that I did, his vote should not be on her.

[Innocent Children]

Is novice a role modifier more often associated with town then scum?

[Innocent Children]

Hi.

I'm peeking my head in just to quickly check the state of affairs and to confirm I am still attempting to follow as best I can. I'll be around more during the next week. I am very aware that Nancy is pulling a lot of weight for my slot, and I will endeavour to try and make that up to her and you all in the future.

Here's an opinion that I'm sure none of you asked for. I'm not particularly familiar with how common daykills are on mafiascum. So, I assumed the worst and that it was real given that Nancy, who has more experience than I do, was fairly convinced it was. Echoing jjh that Nero decided to fakeshoot probably the one slot in the game that would take it seriously. Probably just coincidence.

I'm trying my best to talk mechanics with Nancy given certain events... we'll see how it goes.

~Dis

[Innocent Children]

P.edit. That’s why I’m thinking that she is extremely unlikely to be linked with anyone she sent PMs to.

I think it is probably town indicative, though mildly dismaying, that ICs is revealing the contents of the message now

I haven’t really though, however I think it likely to be some type of crumb.

[Innocent Children]

and know my history of being an easy fucking lynch

but being lynchbait doesn't mean you can't roll scum.

Pork, its whats prodging today.

True, but you can't really look at how easily people piled on my wagon, with no explanations, and think "Yep this is the time Chick rolls scum"

Vax, I'm thunking you rolled scum here.


Also pretty much everyone (save for a few) have played with me, and know my history of being an easy fucking lynch. Unless you guys are going to provide actual reasons, votes off me please.

Chick, why is your RVS vote still on me? I should ask Lady Angel the same thing. Lol

Because I never bothered to take it off.

UNVOTE:

Why does it bother you? You were nowhere near lynch.

If you're asking specifically why I'm not voting tax instead, I'd like to interact with him a bit.

Do you have a problem with me asking you this? I don’t see why? I haven’t asked you about Vax. I only asked you and LA about RVS votes.

[Innocent Children]

I got Barbie girl from chick

Don’t really understand why that means anything

Interesting, perhaps her gifts correlate with trust levels? Mine was a lot more helpful.

[Innocent Children]

I don't understand why anyone would think a good shot would be possible at this stage of the game anyway ngl

I agree. I also think it’s a bad idea to alignment - particularly scumlock anyone on D1.

[Innocent Children]

I can send things as often as I want to as many players as I want.

But there’s another layer to it as well. So you may or may not like getting something from me.

Interesting. I guess that should become more and more obvious as more and more people receive “gifts” from you, I guess.

[Innocent Children]

Do you have a problem with me asking you this? I don’t see why? I haven’t asked you about Vax. I only asked you and LA about RVS votes.

No. I'm genuinely curious though why you're concerned about an RVS vote.

I’m always curious about ANY votes on me. However, leaving an RVS on someone close to deadline could possibly mean something. I make it a rule, to never ignore votes on me and I still waiting on Lady Angel’s response to that.

Curiositity does not necessarily = being concerned.

Speaking of, Nero’s point about Vax not having much of a reaction to votes, is making me wonder about that too. Your take?

[Innocent Children]

I can send things as often as I want to as many players as I want.

But there’s another layer to it as well. So you may or may not like getting something from me.

Interesting. I guess that should become more and more obvious as more and more people receive “gifts” from you, I guess.

I got Barbie girl from chick

Don’t really understand why that means anything

Interesting, perhaps her gifts correlate with trust levels? Mine was a lot more helpful.

I’m not sure as to why someone would or wouldn’t like your gift. Would that be more likely to be intentional on your part or more open to interpretation on the part of the recipient?

[Innocent Children]

VOTE: innocent children even

Why?

[Innocent Children]

Do you have a problem with me asking you this? I don’t see why? I haven’t asked you about Vax. I only asked you and LA about RVS votes.

No. I'm genuinely curious though why you're concerned about an RVS vote.

I’m always curious about ANY votes on me. However, leaving an RVS on someone close to deadline could possibly mean something. I make it a rule, to never ignore votes on me and I still waiting on Lady Angel’s response to that.

Curiositity does not necessarily = being concerned.

Speaking of, Nero’s point about Vax not having much of a reaction to votes, is making me wonder about that too. Your take?

innocent children

VOTE: innocent children even

VOTE: innocent children even

Why?

Not a valid answer.

[Innocent Children]

P.edit. That’s why I’m thinking that she is extremely unlikely to be linked with anyone she sent PMs to.

I think it is probably town indicative, though mildly dismaying, that ICs is revealing the contents of the message now

I haven’t really though, however I think it likely to be some type of crumb.

You revealed part of it I think

Only the obvious part - involving messaging - not the contents. I was actually surprised that Ginngie claimed to have received a different gift then I did.

[Innocent Children]

Do you have a problem with me asking you this? I don’t see why? I haven’t asked you about Vax. I only asked you and LA about RVS votes.

No. I'm genuinely curious though why you're concerned about an RVS vote.

I’m always curious about ANY votes on me. However, leaving an RVS on someone close to deadline could possibly mean something. I make it a rule, to never ignore votes on me and I still waiting on Lady Angel’s response to that.

Curiositity does not necessarily = being concerned.

Speaking of, Nero’s point about Vax not having much of a reaction to votes, is making me wonder about that too. Your take?

innocent children

VOTE: innocent children even

VOTE: innocent children even

Why?

Not a valid answer.

OKAY WHAT THE FATHERFUCK. Why does a post seem to be missing?

He just quoted my post without ever explaining his reasoning for voting me.

[Innocent Children]

Thought RC was a player for a sec there

He’s a hands on mod.

[Innocent Children]

anime gifs are a towntell btw

TW, made a comparable post in Heroes - something about someone’s posts giving him warm fuzzy feels or something and he flipped town.

In any case, early townblocking is more likely to be townie, so long as it’s not over the top.

This can't be serious

nancy randing scum two games in the row and dumb telling the same way?

VOTE: Innocent Children

~Sora

That’s because I didn’t. Do I have to replace out of every game you’re in to avoid being mislynched?

Serious question.

[Innocent Children]

Gawd, first the fake Nero daykill and now this? Is it too much to fucking ask to be judged on my play in THIS game? First SB freaking deathtunels me in Sukilmas and now this?

[Innocent Children]

wanting to look like they're being a townie gamesolving

Like...

your tone here is screaming fake to me. I don't even understand how couldn't more people call you out then

~Sora

Yeah, well I get told that a lot as town, so that’s completely NAi. “More people” actually don’t have a bias based one ONE freaking game. Wtf happened to every single other game I’ve been town in on here or MU. Why don’t you actually familiarize yourself with my meta or is that too much to ask of you?

[Innocent Children]

anime gifs are a towntell btw

TW, made a comparable post in Heroes - something about someone’s posts giving him warm fuzzy feels or something and he flipped town.

In any case, early townblocking is more likely to be townie, so long as it’s not over the top.

This can't be serious

nancy randing scum two games in the row and dumb telling the same way?

VOTE: Innocent Children

~Sora

That’s because I didn’t. Do I have to replace out of every game you’re in to avoid being mislynched?

Serious question.

Where did I ever mislynch you?

and I'm treating you like a good player now. don't you like the compliment? I strongly believe that you were faking this attitude just like you were faking it in last game.

~Sora

Look, I’m not saying to ignore my play in heroes, just don’t ignore like the approximately 20+ games I’ve been town in to evaluate me. Of course I can’t help be annoyed here but I am not scum here. It’s just that I feel like I have an unfair uphill battle with anyone who may have possible bias against me from that game and yeah, maybe I’m being unreasonable here but it kind of sucks. No, of course you never mislynched me but I am seriously concerned about you not being able to correctly read me, in this or any future game we’re in. Like, I really wonder if I should out any other games we’re signed up together. I wish Ank was in this game because she wouldn’t do that. I hope not anyway.

I’m fine with you pushing me. I like being pushed if it helps you in sorting me in THIS game.

I don’t know if I’m a “good player” - later in the game, definitely but I more often then not tend to suck early game - especially on D1.

And you know the mylo thing? I would 100% have done that as either alignment. I hard pushed Angel in Labrynth because her role/play was virulently anti-town. I hate mislynching in generzl but I don’t regret that because she hard pushed the hardclaimed cop.

All I ask is that you try your best to sort me based on my play here and if you want to use meta, that’s fine but I can find countless examples of things I’ve gotten wrongly scumread for. In Hourglass Katsuki was convinced I was lockscum in that game? Did you guess why? He was beyond convinced I was being fake.

[Innocent Children]

Nero why do you think we chose VT? Because of our hydra account name?

~dis

You could choose IC. why did you choose VT

pedit: I'm catching up and Nancy happened to be here to post some stuff about my scumread on her. What is your read on Nancy and stuff I said about her and why?

~Sora

What? I didn’t choose vt, you can’t even do that in this game - choose roles. I chose a flavour.

I am neither a vt nor an IC in this game. Labrynth was so much fun because I got cop checked N1 and was for all intents and purposes was the IC in that game.

[Innocent Children]

I have no bias against you nancy. Let's throw meta in trash can, shall we?

I'm just treating your slot like every other slot in the game. I strongly feel those repeated derps were faked so I'm scumreading you for it.

Stop acting like this is personal or if there is more to this. If I see something towny from you that will change my read ofc. what are your current reads?

~Sora

I have no issue with meta, so long as it’s accurate. And once again, you’re wrong. I derp as either alignment and it’s not faked either. I legit thought that Siren’s call was initially some type of doc/vig and later bodyguard. So, this is the kind of thing that annoys me. You think you know how to read me but you don’t. When did I ever even remotely suggest this was “personal”? I have no issues with you afaik? That’s fair. I just hope you are able to actually see that but your sr me for being fake and misjudging my derps, aren’t exactly overwhelming me with confidence atm.

I think Gamma, Nero are town. I think this is probably town!Titus we are seeing here.

I’m kind of wondering about Wheme wanting people to sheep him on Vis - who didn’t seem to have much of a reaction to it and Wheme pretty much dropping it soon after. I’m thinking they could possibly be w/w and this was maybe some attempt at early distancing?

I’m trying to wrap my brain around Mastina claim. Initially it read townie to me but her recent post is making me walk that back. Something may be off there but whether that is AI or not, I couldn’t really say.

[Innocent Children]

Yes, I can confirm I received a “gift” from Chick. Based on her play on Labrynth, I doubt she’d do that as scum.

Is this claim that "I doubt she’d do that as scum." based on the type of gift you got or her action to give you a gift?
can you elaborate the meta

~Rylai

In Labrynth, she really didn’t seem too GAF when Wisdom tried to bus her and only popped into the woodwork to give a ringing endorsement to a possible Shoshin mislynch and when I decided to vote Chick, everyone sheeped me and she never made any attempt whatsoever to get votes off of her, so logic would suggest that she’s probably working alone here. Well, by announcing it in the thread, she is drawing attention to herself, that’s what I was referring to but yeah - at first I thought she sent everyone the same gift. Skygazer claimed have not received one and Ginngie claimed he got a Barbie doll, so not really remotely similar to what I got. I don’t want to say what it was - beyond a cartoon but that I think it could possibly have been some sort of crumb.

[Innocent Children]

I’m not a fan of Chick’s posts but the sheer number of players currently sr her - without any apparent opposition makes me hesitant to vote there.



@Chickadee , what are these “gifts” that you keep offering to send to anyone who sr you? Can you please elaborate some more on that?

Or, you know, maybe they are scum and scum dont want to save them...

You can’t both be sr Chick and also believe this.

Scum always want to save scum? Or your thinking they are town and scum would be white knighting them?... but then they would be town. Im confused.

This is a really weird interaction.

~Rylai

Not my point, which is clearly based on logic but I’ll bite anyway. Why?

[Innocent Children]

Nero why do you think we chose VT? Because of our hydra account name?

~dis

You could choose IC. why did you choose VT

pedit: I'm catching up and Nancy happened to be here to post some stuff about my scumread on her. What is your read on Nancy and stuff I said about her and why?

~Sora

What? I didn’t choose vt, you can’t even do that in this game - choose roles. I chose a flavour.

I am neither a vt nor an IC in this game. Labrynth was so much fun because I got cop checked N1 and was for all intents and purposes was the IC in that game.

What did your hydra partner meant?

I thought he is saying you chose VT as flavor

~Sora

No, I told Nero, you just killed a villa and he mistakenly thought I meant vt. No, I didn’t choose any role as a flavour. XD

[Innocent Children]

I'll take

VOTE: Ginngie

if you're gonna take the path of least resistance

Slightly scummy omgus

~Sora

Do you read all omgusses as be defined by voting someone who either sr or votes you as necessarily scummy or was it something specific about this vote in particular?

[Innocent Children]

I'm not really getting why Gamma is town. He's done about of useless posts while either being legit angry or fake angry.

Thought process and lack of agenday type posts. I also like when he mistakenly thought I was outing Chick by analyzing the obvious. I don’t think scum would care about that.

[Innocent Children]

Is it bad that I want to vote IC for his nonsensical walls?

Yes. And wt actual f is “nonsensical” about them? Is this even a serious thought?

I wonder if I voted you, would FA consider that a scummy omgus? Lol

Because seriously, you really do look like you’re trying to solve based on little to none content.

[Innocent Children]

I have no bias against you nancy. Let's throw meta in trash can, shall we?

I'm just treating your slot like every other slot in the game. I strongly feel those repeated derps were faked so I'm scumreading you for it.

Stop acting like this is personal or if there is more to this. If I see something towny from you that will change my read ofc. what are your current reads?

~Sora

I have no issue with meta, so long as it’s accurate. And once again, you’re wrong. I derp as either alignment and it’s not faked either. I legit thought that Siren’s call was initially some type of doc/vig and later bodyguard. So, this is the kind of thing that annoys me. You think you know how to read me but you don’t. When did I ever even remotely suggest this was “personal”? I have no issues with you afaik? That’s fair. I just hope you are able to actually see that but your sr me for being fake and misjudging my derps, aren’t exactly overwhelming me with confidence atm.

I think Gamma, Nero are town. I think this is probably town!Titus we are seeing here.

I’m kind of wondering about Wheme wanting people to sheep him on Vis - who didn’t seem to have much of a reaction to it and Wheme pretty much dropping it soon after. I’m thinking they could possibly be w/w and this was maybe some attempt at early distancing?

I’m trying to wrap my brain around Mastina claim. Initially it read townie to me but her recent post is making me walk that back. Something may be off there but whether that is AI or not, I couldn’t really say.

It's interesting to me that these are the reads on top of your head. what is your read on jjh? and why do you think gamma, nero and titus are town?

~Sora

Null for now - very slight townlean but not very confident about it.

I have others but I defacto dislike those kind of questions in general - general readslists, I prefer to discuss my reads more organically - which I have done. ISO me, if you doubt this. I currently feel the most confident about those 3, likely being town in this game.

[Innocent Children]

did you just say if he was joking

glad to see someone else is not blind.

anime gifs are a towntell btw

This is called a joke

Do you speak for random?

I can't even ...

Nancy is NOT a naive player who can't understand jokes

. Nancy Knows how to play as town knows how to play as scum. Nearly outlived people as scum by acting this naive recently and I can't allow anyone to give her credit for this attitude.

~Sora

[Innocent Children]

Why the fuck are you rolefishing

Who was role fishing?

~Sora

Jjh

I am not completely caught up from yesterday. Can you link or quote this? Thanks.

[Innocent Children]

Did we actually have a dayvig less than a day into D1?

This has the potential to be a real derp unlike what nancy did. for people who want to compare a real and fake derp compare this with stuff that nancy did.

~Sora

[Innocent Children]

wheme that slot could be scum but i'd like to hear a case

What slot could be scum? And why not present your own case instead of waiting for others to create the scumread for you?

Please tell the class about

your

cases.

[Innocent Children]

84-flavorfishes Wheme.

90-whiteknights Maria

In multiple posts he argues against the role=allignment thing that JJ was pushing.

Nero is this what your role does?

rolefish

VOTE: INVISIBLITY

THIS IS SCUM SHEEP ME

I trust you
...0%

thought this was a really weird reaction.

This is, imo, Gamma sum total of game relavent stuff.

Thought process and lack of agenday type posts.

So can you go more in depth on his thought processes that you liked?

I don’t think I can point to one specific post in particular but it’s the entire stream of consciousness in his ISO. It just strikes me as coming from a villagery mindset.

I think Nico could possibly be town, she exhibited a similar kind of confidence in Labrynth.

[Innocent Children]

Did we actually have a dayvig less than a day into D1?

This has the potential to be a real derp unlike what nancy did. for people who want to compare a real and fake derp compare this with stuff that nancy did.

~Sora

Okay this you’re gonna need to back up, why would Nancy not be baited by a fake day vig?

There is no legitimate reason for her to think this as she knows you can’t fake day vig on MU, so I am beyond baffled by this.

[Innocent Children]

no one asked about nico?

I know, it was an afterthought.

[Innocent Children]

I think vax is slightly scummy. I heavily disliked his stance on chikaede and I didn't like his conversation with IC

Also, I didn't say my reads on those three names I mentioned when I asked her reads on you. I have a medium TR on you and slight tr on titus for some reasons but I never bet on my town reads and like to keep my reads change-able especially at the very start of the game till I find a good grasp of the game state.

~Sora

Current thoughts on Mastina?

[Innocent Children]

One of us 4 is scum.

can you explain this read?



~Sora

Sure! There were 5 players posting: Porkens, Nero, Rylai and Lina, Innocent Children, and Skygazer

And the two conversations were pretty much ignoring each other, so I figure there is at least one scum in those 5 (4 was a miscount).

Why do you include yourself
On the RandL/ICs thing I think RandL makes a good point

Who is RandL?

[Innocent Children]

P.edit. I’m not scum. I don’t think. Nero is either. I’d really like to think FA isn’t this - burn both of my eyes with a hot poker - bad at reading me but it would seem to be the case. I don’t as of yet have a read on Skygazer but I still don’t get the aescetic comment wrt Chick gift since I can confirm her gifts have no effect on roles. As for Porkens, legit, no clue rn.

[Innocent Children]

I don't like Sora's line on our slot. I'll describe it momentarily once I finish reading all the pages I need to catch up on. Not in a scummy way... just in a "Sora just does not understand how Nancy Drew works" way. It feels disingenuous and a bit of a dodge, but I might end up doing all the defense of this slot. As you've probably figured out, Nancy has some troubles trying to interpret and/or communicating herself.

~Disquieted

[Innocent Children]

did you just say if he was joking

glad to see someone else is not blind.

anime gifs are a towntell btw

This is called a joke

Do you speak for random?

I can't even ...

Nancy is NOT a naive player who can't understand jokes. Nancy Knows how to play as town knows how to play as scum. Nearly outlived people as scum by acting this naive recently and I can't allow anyone to give her credit for this attitude.

~Sora

No

she does this to look like whatever she looks like after that. she wants to make people underestimate her. It's her thing.

~Sora

Whatever. I could write a wall about how this is wrong and how you don't understand how Nancy plays mafia. You do not understand how Nancy Drew plays mafia if you believe that Nancy intentionally fakes derps to get by as scum (and this is opposed to making major plays, which I believe she did do in Heroes Wanted, but is not the same type here). You do not understand that Nancy Drew just unintentionally does this regardless of her alignment.

In my honest opinion you sound upset that you believe you caught Nancy Drew as scum in Heroes Wanted but could not push it, and want to replicate that performance by scumreading Nancy Drew for doing things that she would've done anyways as town.

It gets pretty clear you're tunnelled on us when you start quoting a whatever post about my read on Kuroi, which is not garbage - in fact I'm still holding onto it and am still surveying Kuroi's subsequent few posts - and is just you being biased. I recommend you lay off and go read a town game of Nancy Drew's like Labyrinth Mafia, because it's pretty clear that you don't know a stitch about how Nancy plays the game and just want to catch her again for your own reasons.

And don't say meta isn't a part of it. Because you don't go and ride any regular slot into the sunset because of supposed "fake derps". You're on our slot because you want to be right.

~Disquieted

[Innocent Children]

I am around for a bit if anyone has any questions about our slot.

Be aware that if you're asking me about who I think is scummy and who isn't my reads will roughly follow Nancy's as I agree with her when we discuss things but I will certainly be reviewing people's ISOs for more in-depth thoughts and my own personal opinions.

[Innocent Children]

NOT READING IC POSTS

Haters gonna hate

~Disquieted

[Innocent Children]

VOTE: Porkens

KK THIS IS ALSO GOOD

I have less doubts about this but I still have doubts

About which? The vote on Porkens or Porkens himself?

~Disquieted

[Innocent Children]

I am not completely caught up from yesterday. Can you link or quote this? Thanks.

if u click on the origin quote that u just quoted and then scroll up you'll actually see the offense immediately before the accusation

Thanks, caught your “letters have no case” post.

[Innocent Children]

Nancy Knows how to play as town knows how to play as scum. Nearly outlived people as scum by acting this naive recently and I can't allow anyone to give her credit for this attitude.

nancy says shit like that regardless of alignment.

FA, take note. This is coming from someone who has played 2 other games with me: Minuet and Hourglass. I strongly advise you to ISO me in those games as well as Necromancer.

[Innocent Children]

wanting to look like they're being a townie gamesolving

Like...

your tone here is screaming fake to me. I don't even understand how couldn't more people call you out then

~Sora

Yeah, well I get told that a lot as town, so that’s completely NAi. “More people” actually don’t have a bias based one ONE freaking game. Wtf happened to every single other game I’ve been town in on here or MU. Why don’t you actually familiarize yourself with my meta or is that too much to ask of you?

I played with both town you and scum you. The points I made has nothing to do with your meta. What meta adds to this is that: I saw you faking this attitude as scum once before so if you're town this time and you're doing this, you're faking it for credit and it's still not real.

so which one is it?

~Sora

Could you link me a time when this happened with acknowledgment of it happening as opposed to just general obliviousness

Another FA post, that makes me want to shoot myself. *sigh*

[Innocent Children]

Spoiler:

Ginngie
Nero Cain
Gamma Emerald
randomidget
Skygazer
Invisibility
jjh927
Nosferatu
Wh4t
Porkens
Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)
Whemestar
KuroiXHF
Lady Angel
Vecna
Titus
Vaxkiller
Nicorobin
Chickadee

About this.

The closer to the middle, the more hazy it gets. Note that further north is more strong than further south for this though.

Wanted to start with clarifying these, though.

I had trouble forming separation in them, to give proper tiers.

But I want to explain more where I'm coming from.

This list can be thought of as a mixture of RVS and seriousness, in that it is entirely a serious list--but it involves a lot of guesswork on my part in areas.

The players near the top, there's no guesswork needed; they are actually town for definitive reasons, but it gets hazier the further down you get.

Ginngie is my top townread here because she instantly showed herself to be town. I get that she hasn't played much--I get that I haven't played much with her recently. I get that her scumgame is always getting, progressively, better and better. But in spite of that. There's just no way that her scumgame has improved in the leaps and bounds necessary for her to have so seamlessly hidden her tells. This is her towngame, through-and-through. I'm invoking the soulread privilege here; she's townier than an innocent child, town.

Nero Cain is not far behind. Nero Cain is quite capable of faking individual aspects of his town meta. It's not like he has any singular tell which works on him. He's quite capable of, say, posting up a storm as scum. But when it comes to Nero. There isn't just one aspect of difference between his towngame and his scumgame. There are multiple. And while he's capable of faking one or maybe two aspects of his town meta as scum. He can't fake them ALL. And this game, they are all, strongly, on display; he is town.

Gamma Emerald is actually a much, much easier to read player than people give him credit for. This one's a bit hard for me to explain, but all the promising signs are there. I loved his entrance into the game, and the insights he's been giving have been...well. Insightful, meaningful, and felt gamesolvy, while at the same time having his trademark level of laziness, for lack of a better word. It's casual, effortless, and natural, rather than stilted and artificial.

randomidget is a similar read. He's not that hard to get a good read on. He's always a bit of a "low-key" player, even lower than Gamma, but as town there's a certain level of insight he has even in his more "casual" style of posting. There's aspects of scumhunting and gamesolving to be found, and all the right markers are there.

Skygazer I have extensively witnessed her scumgame and towngame quite a lot (she's been in like literally every single Normal I've been a reviewer of as of late), and this is simply put not her scumgame. Not even remotely close to her scumgame. Immediately it's obvious to anyone with experience with her. The difference between the two is night and day. Even failing meta (which is, admittedly, not as extensive as Nero/Ginngie/Gamma/random metas), there's the content she has given, all of which has been in a direction I felt was distinctly pro-town.

Invisibility, I have basically no experience with whatsoever, but his gamesolving is quite similar to the others above, following the same patterns I've outlined. The insights he's given, the content he's contributed, have all felt natural, casual, and yet been pro-town in nature.

jjh, his mechanical talk I realize people didn't like--but I didn't care for it one way or another. For me, that wasn't really important at all and didn't affect my read on him whatsoever, being thoroughly null; regardless of his alignment, I feel like he'd have said much the same things as he did there. My townread comes from his content

outside

the mechanical talk, which is there if you look for it; all the places he's pushing, I can understand where he's coming from and even agree with a lot of it (see also, my placement of Titus and NicoRobin on my list and his treatment of their slots).

Nosferatu, I realize is a bit of a difficult read but I've had a fair amount of experience with Nos recently. Admittedly, basically all of it as town so I don't quite have the best knowledge of Nosferatu's scumgame, but. Everything I'm seeing matches the towngame performance I'd be expecting. There's the chance that I'm simply seeing NAI stuff across games and considering it town, but I still have liked Nos's content thusfar.

Wh4t and Porkens represent the point of null--but townish null. Herein enters the guesswork. Neither had posted at the time of my list, but the guesswork comes in, of their not having posted being a little town indicative. Not all "lack of posting" is created equal; for some users, it is indicative of town, for some it is indicative of scum, and for most it's just not indicative of anything at all. Differentiating between the three is an artform at best, but my guess here was that their lack of posting was town, more than scum.

Innocent Children had posted a lot, and while I liked what I saw more than I didn't, it wasn't anything I felt was strongly clearing of them.

Rylai and Lina had posted a fair bit, but I was far more ambivalent on their content, with about equal feelings of town/scum on them, but nothing I felt was strongly indicative of alignment.

Maid Cafe had posted a fair bit, but I wasn't that fond of their content, not liking it more than I liked it--yet in spite of disliking their contributions, it didn't feel strongly alignment indicative. Scummy, without necessarily indicating being scum, if that makes sense.

WhemeStar hadn't posted, so he was another guesswork. He's more of a nullish null, in that I thought his lack of posting wasn't really indicative of alignment.

Kuroi did post--once. 285 was something which I could easily see coming from either alignment, but I felt was slightly more likely to come from scum.

Lady Angel also had only one post--47. Similarly, it was something I could see coming from either alignment, but I felt that if Lady Angel were town, it was more likely her RVS would have had interactions with those who had already posted; it did not.

Vecna hadn't posted, so while this is also guesswork, this is a scummish null, because he absolutely

should

be posting, and posting up a storm no less. Vecna's both an incredible wallposter, and incredible spamposter. His post count is always in the hundreds, usually the 300-800 range. And in spite of producing that number of posts, about 33-50% of said posts are wallposts. He is someone I would expect to be incredible active in the game and among the first to be posting in it, so his absence felt strange.

Below that point, you get into actual scumread territory, but admittedly, not strong scumreads.

I hated pretty much everything Titus was doing and felt it was far more likely to be pushing a scum agenda; her one saving grace is that sometimes, a town Titus really does believe in those frankly anti-town things as in her moonlogicky mind being pro-town even though they really aren't. Still. While it

could

come from her as town, it is far more likely to come from her as scum.

Vaxkiller's entrance into the game felt entirely wrong. This is a little hard for me to really explain, but the places he's pushed and what he's doing just feel like...they're lacking something. Vaxkiller has a weird way of being oddly passionate as town, with some strange logic but still being someone with respectable good insights and reads, yet everything he's given has felt...lackluster. Like there was something from it missing.

NicoRobin is a read I am deliberately avoiding explaining for now; I am looking for something quite specific, but with it absent she's scum.

Chickadee's entrance into the game screamed scum, and nothing she's done in the game since then has shown anything else but scum. She's not scumhunting, not really, and is just kinda there, more worried about herself than she is about finding scum, with comments that don't contribute much of anything.

So that's where I was coming from; I need to read and give an update on these.[/spoiler]

I really like this post - not necessarily agree with your reads though but yeah, also think Nos and random are probably town here. I still think you’re wrong about Titus but we’ll see.

[Innocent Children]

Shoot: mastina

Why?

[Innocent Children]

Hi! XD

So some of my reads have changed and I'll need to recompile the readslist to show it but none of them more drastic than this.

VOTE: Wh4t.

What changed? Did Nico actually shoot you or was this another fake daykill?

I like this better then Porkens but I dunno.

[Innocent Children]

Oh just remembered.
Not sure if I actually told you this, but did get the answer from RC.
When I use my ability, town can in fact no-lynch, so.

So, town can actually veto your gladiate?

[Innocent Children]

I am the great Cornholio.
Do you have T.P. for my bunghole? I would hate for my holio to get polio.

So having had a posting restriction in the past I know for a fact RC can give them.

But I'm like 90% sure this is faked.

Idrc if it’s faked, as long as he’s contributory I’m fine. It gives me a chuckle though. Beavis and Butthead has a special place in my heart thanks to it giving rise to Daria, one of my all-time fave shows.

I can 100% confirm RC can give post restrictions, he gave one to AA9 in Labrynth.

[Innocent Children]

Like, you could save us lynching whoever the lynch target is each day if they're town but we still follow through if they're scum

That's pretty damn useful

So Mastina can effectively stop us from mislynching? That would be awesome. If this is in fact true, we should never lynch her.

[Innocent Children]

How can a read "change drastically" when you never had a read on me initially mastina?

I'm wolf af atm and

you're the only one who's taken the bait so thanks for outting.

Please do explain your newly compiled readslist so I don't mislockscum you.

???

[Innocent Children]

But can you elaborate on how Skygazer has good content, especially early on being enough to justify calling it a very bad vote

The very bad vote comes from the meta townread on Skygazer more than the good content, but sure. 16 is the towniest possible entry into the game. 31 builds on it.

VOTE: porkens
weak questioning, overconfident scumreads not backed up my a vote at any point this game

That's par for the course for Porkens.

Porkens was overtly scummy in Labrynth, I’m not really see this so far here.

[Innocent Children]

Those who agree that mastina is scummy, say 'aye'. If we have enough, we can lynch her.

I’m not comfortable voting there today. I’m liking her recent posts.

[Innocent Children]

for slayers gambit claim

Can someone please explain this to me? Thanks.

[Innocent Children]

Also @Nero I think mastina is right about inactivity meaning different things for different people, like my Wh4t scumread shows.

I absolutely agree. I'm just saying that in such an early phase of the game differentiating between scum that's lurking and town that just hasn't posted yet seems like a futile endeavor.

Agree with this, by D2, this would be way more AI I think.

[Innocent Children]

I'm lost in such a big game so figured it was easier to wait for people to interact with me to get reads. It's fine I think you might be genuine in your push on me. Currently ISOing people.

Mastina is pretty borderline nullscum so far in that the majority of her posts are fluffy, teach-y, lamisty and discuss her role. Her one post with content - the readslist wall is nothing great either. I really dislike how her chick scumread started as a passing comment to someone else scumreading them which was then followed up by chick being her biggest scumread in her list. When you consider the climate was ripe for a chick quickwagon it looks worse. I noticed IC pointed out the lack of resistance to the chick wagon so I give them slight town points for that.

When we look at mastina's role it would be quite a powerful role as scum in that it ensures a town lynch when used - what confuses this is mastina clarifying that town can no-lynch and use the role as investigative. I don't see why town would be given a gladiate role that ensures a town lynch (or no-lynch) unless the set-up were bastard? So overall the role claim gives me the null-scum lean. When she can explain her read change on me I'll be able to update this.

Chick seems fine? As mentioned her wagon was the first to pop up with little resistance however she hasn't done herself many favours to get town read (which usually points to town imo). I like her confidence in her read on Vax and someone else I can't remember.

Your posts have pretty much done a 180 since yesterday. I have no idea who to vote for rn.

[Innocent Children]

Oh christ Vax is scum.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

I thought it wouldn't make sense with mastina as SvS as he keeps calling her claim fake but then he goes on about how chick is obv scum and was the best vig. Usually when someone calls a claim fake they are implying that player is scum - half sitting on the fence about mastina's alignment whilst egging her on to use a pro-scum ability does not prevent vax and mastina from being SvS. It's feasible distancing imo.

Well based on the gift Chick sent to me - plus the lack of resistance to her wagon - plus her totally different reaction to getting votes, don’t make me want to lynch there today anyway. If my analysis of her gift is a legit crumb, maybe not ever?

That’s my current read on her: more likely to be town then not based on mainly on my analysis of what I interpreted as a likely crumb.

[Innocent Children]

Wheme is ????

Not sure why he points out scummy things about chick but doesn't vote there...he then overconfidently votes invis before randomly voting porkens. Hmmm. No clue what this dude is up to or why.

I think he also did this in Labrynth. I was convinced he was scum for most of that game. I don’t know his scumgame though.

[Innocent Children]

Is it bad that I want to vote IC for his nonsensical walls?

Yes. And wt actual f is “nonsensical” about them? Is this even a serious thought?

I wonder if I voted you, would FA consider that a scummy omgus? Lol

Because seriously, you really do look like you’re trying to solve based on little to none content.

Just saw this. Hi. I think you're scummy.

These omgussy type of posts, really do you no favours. Do you seriously disagree with this? Nero also noticed it.

[Innocent Children]

wheme that slot could be scum but i'd like to hear a case

What slot could be scum? And why not present your own case instead of waiting for others to create the scumread for you?

Please tell the class about

your

cases.

Feel free to comment on my hard efforting today

I was liking your posting today better but then you ruined it by sr me for calling you out on your yesterday null content posts. So you sr me and then you want props? What?

[Innocent Children]

Is it bad that I want to vote IC for his nonsensical walls?

Yes. And wt actual f is “nonsensical” about them? Is this even a serious thought?

I wonder if I voted you, would FA consider that a scummy omgus? Lol

Because seriously, you really do look like you’re trying to solve based on little to none content.

Just saw this. Hi. I think you're scummy.

These omgussy type of posts, really do you no favours. Do you seriously disagree with this? Nero also noticed it.

What? I don't think you understand the meaning of omgus. Can you show me where nero commented on my behaviour and how that relates to your definition of omgus?

I was sussing you for your null content posts and even mentioned possibly voting you and you respond to that by calling me “scummy” for that. How is it scummy, when it’s true? Your posts yesterday did in fact lack content. Nero also commented on them being “meatless”, so you sr me for that makes 0 sense And why would you ask for props for stepping it up today?

[Innocent Children]

Ginngie/mastina do not feel like the same alignment or at the very least not svs based on posts like the above. One is hoodwinking the other my spideysenses tell me.

I disagree with that. I find that to be NAI.

[Innocent Children]

I was liking your posting today better but then you ruined it by sr me for calling you out on your yesterday null content posts. So you sr me and then you want props? What?

So you like me until I say you're scummy but you tell me I'm omgusing? Saying I think you're scummy != saying I scumread you.

Yes because it’s both an omgus and makes 0 sense. And fyi, I’m not liking your most recent posts - independent of your scumread on me. I think, that one post on Chick was decent but the other ones since then - not a fan.

[Innocent Children]

Oh christ Vax is scum.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

I thought it wouldn't make sense with mastina as SvS as he keeps calling her claim fake but then he goes on about how chick is obv scum and was the best vig. Usually when someone calls a claim fake they are implying that player is scum - half sitting on the fence about mastina's alignment whilst egging her on to use a pro-scum ability does not prevent vax and mastina from being SvS. It's feasible distancing imo.

Please link or quote the post where he does this, kthanx.

[Innocent Children]

Please link or quote the post where he does this, kthanx.

He has the shortest ISO it's not hard to see what I mean.

I read it but it looks a bit too reachy to me, to justify your sudden scum epiphany on him. This is what I mean by omgussy. You vote Vax to shade Mastina who just happens to be sr you. You claim to be “lightly “ tr me based on my lack of resistance to Chick wagon, then immediately jump to sr me, based on what really? - m sussing you due to null content and scumreading people who had better posts than you? Your progression on me absolutely no sense now you seem to be backpedaling by claiming we’re misunderstanding each other. Outside of decent Chick post, reachy Vax/Mastina post, your other posts today really don’t make a hell of a lot of sense.

[Innocent Children]

Slayer's Gambit
When a vanilla townie intentionally acts scummy in an attempt to find scum eager to jump on to a bandwagon early in the game. Named after Disciple Slayer, a player who used this gambit in Mini 533. (Link)

This Gambit was used before Disciple Slayer by the legendary Internet Stranger, in early mafia games.

There is controversy that Disciple Slayer's actions were not intentionally scummy, but were, in fact, bad play.

Just found this. So, the case on Wh4t is presumably based on him faking this? Correct?

[Innocent Children]

W4at-If Mastina is outted scum then why isn't your vote there?

Because I like where my vote is currently, on you no less. And I'm dramatic in my pushing but I am more concerned with determining her alignment before changing my vote.

Its a bit of a moot point now since you aren't voting me anymore but your vote was doing shit all. I mean, if you scum read me fine. I'm pretty used to being scum read for absolutely ludicrous reasons but the problem is that I'm getting town read by a lot of the game, thus making my d1 lynch very unlikely. I understand reads can change and walking back a town read isn't a hard thing to do regardless of alignment but you weren't trying to convince

ANYONE

that they were wrong or that you should be shepped. Why were you comfortable doing nothing?

Also gonna go with Gamma and agree that "but i wuz doing slayerz gambit!" could easily be a cop out for caught scum.

Oh I see now, yeah I don’t really buy it.

[Innocent Children]

Oh christ Vax is scum.

VOTE: Vaxkiller

I thought it wouldn't make sense with mastina as SvS as he keeps calling her claim fake but then he goes on about how chick is obv scum and was the best vig. Usually when someone calls a claim fake they are implying that player is scum - half sitting on the fence about mastina's alignment whilst egging her on to use a pro-scum ability does not prevent vax and mastina from being SvS. It's feasible distancing imo.

this also happened ages ago so I'm not really getting the delayed reaction. Scum panicking that there was a wagon on them and then hops on the biggest wagon?

Yeah, his post would have been more credible closer to the time Vax made the posts in question.

[Innocent Children]

So I'm sitting here doing a vote count and I suddenly want to vote IC b/c I feel like them being voteless with how active they are is really odd. Kinda feel the same about Gamma. Even Lady Angel, who is almost surely scum, is atleast being useless with thiers.

That’s true totally typical for me, though but I think I’m fine with Wh4t wagon, he just seems to be throwing around scumreads and seeing what sticks.

[Innocent Children]

Is it bad that I want to vote IC for his nonsensical walls?

Yes. And wt actual f is “nonsensical” about them? Is this even a serious thought?

I wonder if I voted you, would FA consider that a scummy omgus? Lol

Because seriously, you really do look like you’re trying to solve based on little to none content.

Just saw this. Hi. I think you're scummy.

These omgussy type of posts, really do you no favours. Do you seriously disagree with this? Nero also noticed it.

Where did Nero notice it

XD

[Innocent Children]

VOTE: Wh4t

[Innocent Children]

I just got home, there's 9 new pages.

I just got home and you're still doing nothing.

plus the lack of resistance to her wagon

this isn't really true though b/c her wagon capped at what like 4 or 5 votes? I'd argue that the lack of a big wagon on her

IS

resistance to her wagon. There haven't really been any big wagons this game.

Yeah true but I wish she send more people gifts. Then I could get some idea, if my analysis of her gift has any kind of basis or not.

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Gamma Emerald is actually a much, much easier to read player than people give him credit for. This one's a bit hard for me to explain, but all the promising signs are there. I loved his entrance into the game, and the insights he's been giving have been...well. Insightful, meaningful, and felt gamesolvy, while at the same time having his trademark level of laziness, for lack of a better word. It's casual, effortless, and natural, rather than stilted and artificial.

i think gamma is scum

i dont like his coloring stuff

I thought that was Maria/MC?

[Innocent Children]

Wh4t (5): Mastina, Invisibility, Ginngie, Gamma Emerald, Innocent Children
Vaxkiller (3):, jjh927, Nosferatu, Wh4t
Skygazer (2): Titus, Nero Cain
Mastina (2): Maid Cafe, Nicorobin
Porkens (2): Whemestar, randomidget
Whemestar (1): KuroiXHF
Vecna (1): Lady Angel
Innocent Children (1): Rylai and Lina
Chickadee (0):
Invisibility (0):
Nicorobin (0):
jjh927 (0):
Rylai and Lina (0):
Maid Cafe (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Titus (0):
KuroiXHF (0):
Lady Angel (0):
Ginngie (0):
Nero Cain (0):
Nosferatu (0):
randomidget (0):

Not Voting: Porkens, Vecna, Vaxkiller, Skygazer, Chickadee


With 22 alive it's 12 to lynch.

The day will end in (expired on 2018-09-25 18:00:00).

Thanks for doing this, Nero, I wish you had played in Labrynth.

[Innocent Children]

Gamma Emerald is actually a much, much easier to read player than people give him credit for. This one's a bit hard for me to explain, but all the promising signs are there. I loved his entrance into the game, and the insights he's been giving have been...well. Insightful, meaningful, and felt gamesolvy, while at the same time having his trademark level of laziness, for lack of a better word. It's casual, effortless, and natural, rather than stilted and artificial.

i think gamma is scum

i dont like his coloring stuff

Here’s the wall post I’ve been working on.

Gamma Emerald is actually a much, much easier to read player than people give him credit for. This one's a bit hard for me to explain, but all the promising signs are there. I loved his entrance into the game, and the insights he's been giving have been...well. Insightful, meaningful, and felt gamesolvy, while at the same time having his trademark level of laziness, for lack of a better word. It's casual, effortless, and natural, rather than stilted and artificial.

I didn’t know this but the way mastina describes it my playstyle sounds similar to how GuyInFreezer is noted to play.

Skygazer I have extensively witnessed her scumgame and towngame quite a lot (she's been in like literally every single Normal I've been a reviewer of as of late), and this is simply put not her scumgame. Not even remotely close to her scumgame. Immediately it's obvious to anyone with experience with her. The difference between the two is night and day. Even failing meta (which is, admittedly, not as extensive as Nero/Ginngie/Gamma/random metas), there's the content she has given, all of which has been in a direction I felt was distinctly pro-town.

I think I agree with this rn

Invisibility, I have basically no experience with whatsoever, but his gamesolving is quite similar to the others above, following the same patterns I've outlined. The insights he's given, the content he's contributed, have all felt natural, casual, and yet been pro-town in nature.

I think I agree and I also feel like he is playing similar too American presidents mafia, problem is I don’t remember what his alignment was that game rn

Wh4t and Porkens represent the point of null--but townish null. Herein enters the guesswork. Neither had posted at the time of my list, but the guesswork comes in, of their not having posted being a little town indicative. Not all "lack of posting" is created equal; for some users, it is indicative of town, for some it is indicative of scum, and for most it's just not indicative of anything at all. Differentiating between the three is an artform at best, but my guess here was that their lack of posting was town, more than scum.

As stated earlier this analysis of Wh4t gave me a scumread on him.

Maid Cafe had posted a fair bit, but I wasn't that fond of their content, not liking it more than I liked it--yet in spite of disliking their contributions, it didn't feel strongly alignment indicative. Scummy, without necessarily indicating being scum, if that makes sense.

This analysis puts Maid Cafe at nullscum for me rn

WhemeStar hadn't posted, so he was another guesswork. He's more of a nullish null, in that I thought his lack of posting wasn't really indicative of alignment.

From what he’s posted after, I think Wheme is town. It feels similar to his play in the last RC UPick without feeling like it’s manufactured.

NicoRobin is a read I am deliberately avoiding explaining for now; I am looking for something quite specific, but with it absent she's scum.

I think I’ll defer to this read. The following fake shot on mastina doesn’t impress me either.

I think Wheme is my

Top Townread

atm

Nos, is this the post you were referencing?

If so, I don’t see how that would make him scum.

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sure thats one of them

But why is that scummy?

[Innocent Children]

So there's 4 scum right? So far gamma and IC are the worst votes. Nero makes no sense as I've been pretty clear about how much I've read prior to isoing people so my delayed reads make perfect sense. I am going to shoot out of either IC or Gamma. Town opinions on how off the mark I am would be appreciated.

Did you somehow miss my reaction to Nero’s daykil thing?

[Innocent Children]

So

there's 4 scum right?

So far gamma and IC are the worst votes. Nero makes no sense as I've been pretty clear about how much I've read prior to isoing people so my delayed reads make perfect sense. I am going to shoot out of either IC or Gamma. Town opinions on how off the mark I am would be appreciated.

Game rules:

1) All decisions come down to a democracy. The moderator gets all the votes.
2) Please use vote tags to place your votes. Bold tags will also be accepted but are not preferred.
3) Lynches will occur when one player has received the majority of votes. You may post during the twilight period between the hammer and the closing of the thread.
4) If unsufficient votes are made on any player, or a majority of votes have been made to no lynch, no lynch will be made.
5) Nights will last 48 hours.
6) Do NOT quote any private communication from me, nor any mason, scum, neighbour, or anything topics that may or may not exist. You may paraphrase, just don't copy it wholesale.
7) You MAY NOT discuss the game outside of the thread unless your role specifically gives you the ability to do so.
8) Days will last 2 weeks, or until a lynch (or no lynch) has been decided on.
9) Blue is my color. Refrain from using it.
10) Inform the mod before going V/LA. I will prod you after 48 hours of inactivity, and will only be giving one prod per day phase + one additional through the whole game before force replacing.
11) In the tragic event I drop off the face of the earth, Alisae will take my place.
12) Death is final, 'bah' posting will not be allowed in this game.
13) The rules can be arbitrarily changed/added to by one party (me) anytime I am feeling greedy and/or evil.
14) Players not use factional and individual actions simultaneously unless their role PM explicitly says otherwise.
15) This setup is bastard* (not really).
16) Be nice, and try to enjoy yourself.
17) Prod rules will be extremely strict. If you are going V/LA either inform me or put up V/LA flags. I will be very quick to replace for inactivity.
18) Weekend V/LA players may substitute their additional prod to have 72 hour prod timers over the weekend.
19) This setup was, uh, not actually reviewed by anyone but me. I feel fairly confident in the quality of the game though.
20) This game will have flavor.

Setup Information:

1)

The setup consists of 5 scum

, 16 town, and 1 player who can be town, mafia, or third party.
2) Whether the setup is bastard or not, there will not be any mechanics that involve lying to players outside of standard fare (ninjas, godfathers).

Sample role PM:

Spoiler: Annie

You wanna play too? It'll be fun!

Welcome, Radiantcowbells. You are

Annie, The Dark Child

. You are a Town 1-Shot Strongman Vigilante Temporary Doublevoter.



Summon: Tibbers (1-Shot Strongman Vigilante): Once per game, at night, you may strongman kill a player.
Tibbers! (Temporary Doublevoter): After summoning tibbers for the following 2 day phases you will have two votes in play, yourself and Tibbers.

You win when the Mafia have been removed and at least one Townie is still alive.

Players:

Spoiler: Alive:

1) Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
2) Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)
3) Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)
4) Nicorobin
5) Mastina
6) Gamma Emerald
7) Chickadee
8) Skygazer
9) Titus
10) KuroiXHF
11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14) Vecna
15) Lady Angel
16) Vaxkiller
17) Wh4t
18) Ginngie
19) Nero Cain
20) Nosferatu
21) jjh927
22) randomidget

Spoiler: Dead

Are you hardclaiming vig?

[Innocent Children]

No I didn't miss your reaction. I literally just finished a game where scum reacted to a fake hammer like a townie and got away with it.

Oh, I’m relieved, for a second I honestly thought you weren’t even trying to read me at all.

[Innocent Children]

Desperado (Role)
Alias: none
Alignment:
Pro-town
Role type:
Killing
Choice:
Day
A Desperado is a role that targets a player during the day in-thread to perform the following action on. If the target is scum (mafia), then their target is killed. If not, they die in a valiant "desperado" attempt.

If you’re telling the truth here, you will die if you shoot me. Lol.

[Innocent Children]

So there's 4 scum right? So far gamma and IC are the worst votes. Nero makes no sense as I've been pretty clear about how much I've read prior to isoing people so my delayed reads make perfect sense. I am going to shoot out of either IC or Gamma. Town opinions on how off the mark I am would be appreciated.

Wow this is bad
Fucking hold your candy ass

No I can't now I've outted as a 1s desperado I don't want to give scum time to counter.

Shoot mastina then
You Scumread her anyway right? Given that she’s already claimed and her claim is a point of contention it makes sense

If Wh4t is telling the truth here, he either hits scum or spews a player IC.

[Innocent Children]

Nero you're an idiot. Maybe I take you out with me assuming you're town. Town will be better off either way.

This would be seriously dumb. Shoot someone who’s actually being suspicious.

[Innocent Children]

Actually it's not a bad idea to conf a stronger player.

Yes, it is. Shoot someone who’s the biggest question mark in this game rn. I would love to volunteer but I don’t think it’s me.

[Innocent Children]

My father just got released from the hospital after surgery and I don't have my computer with me.

I also did the VCs from before today.

Thank god we have Nero Cain

Thank god we have Nero Cain

^


Sorry to hear that RC. I'm not actully mad at you for the lack of VC.

+1

[Innocent Children]

Actually it's not a bad idea to conf a stronger player.

Why do I feel, he’s going to blow this? That would be like Nico copping me N1 in Labrynth.

[Innocent Children]

NGL, I would love to match my username but I don’t think I’m the best shot.

[Innocent Children]

Being conf’ed would just be a waste for me

I would also be confirmed but unlike you, being spewed IC would not be a waste of time for me.

[Innocent Children]

Spoiler:

[Innocent Children]

Ascetic
Alias:
Action-Immune
Alignment:
Varies
Role type:
Passive
Choice:
None

Ascetic is a role modifier (though it can function as a role in its own right) that causes a player to be immune to all actions at Night except kills. More precisely, Ascetic reflexively Roleblocks all actions taken against them except kills.

When combined with other power roles, the Ascetic modifier creates roles that cannot be tampered with directly, but are immune to beneficial actions as well. For example, an Ascetic Cop cannot be Roleblocked, but also cannot be protected by a Doctor.

[Innocent Children]

Lol so just badmodding

My N1 jailkeep in Labrynth, got redirected and the redirected target didn’t find out until Night freaking 4, so I totally buy that.

[Innocent Children]

AND A FOURTH

Must be one of his biggest hits.

[Innocent Children]

the song is dont go breaking my heart for the record

Don't Go Breaking My Heart
Elton John
In the book 1000 UK #1 Hits, Kiki Dee talked about the idea behind this “Both Elton and I were… read more »

DON'T GO BREAKING MY HEART LYRICS
[Verse 1: Elton John & Kiki Dee]
Don't go breaking my heart
I couldn't if I tried
Oh honey if I get restless
Baby you're not that kind
Don't go breaking my heart
You take the weight off of me
Oh honey when you knock on my door
Ooh, I gave you my key

[Pre-Chorus: Elton John, Kiki Dee & both]
Ooh, nobody knows it
When I was down
I was your clown
Ooh, nobody knows it (Nobody knows it)
Right from the start
I gave you my heart
Oh, I gave you my heart

[Chorus: Elton John, Kiki Dee & both]
So don't go breaking my heart
I won't go breaking your heart
Don't go breaking my heart

[Verse 2: Elton John & Kiki Dee]
And nobody told us
Because nobody showed us
And now it's up to us babe
Oh, I think we can make it
So don't misunderstand me
You put the light in my life
Oh, you put the spark to the flame
I've got your heart in my sights

[Innocent Children]

~and a fifth~

I wonder how many PMs I'll have when I wake up

Wow, why send you the exact same thing, over and over again?

[Innocent Children]

Chick can send Skygazer multiple videos but barely post? Does she have some sort of post restriction?

[Innocent Children]

The timing of this - can it be a total coincidence?

Wh4t may possibly shoot Skygazer and of a sudden, she receives multiple videos of the exact same song?

[Innocent Children]

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahhahaha

NOMINATED

for best fake claim.

Yeah seems like it, since no one has died yet - neither Wh4t nor his target.

[Innocent Children]

metagaming but chick hasn't been on for hours.

Last visited:Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:23 am

And RC just fucking sent me a message from Chickadee lmfao

That doesn’t mean anything though. I got my gift from RC.

[Innocent Children]

metagaming but chick hasn't been on for hours.

Last visited:Sat Sep 15, 2018 12:23 am

And RC just fucking sent me a message from Chickadee lmfao

That doesn’t mean anything though. I got my gift from RC.

??????


Maybe I'm misunderstanding but weren't you implying that Chick was online but not post when she sent the pms to RC and RC sent them to Sky? What I'm saying is that Chick last was online @ midnight and Sky didn't get any pms until 2 am.

Chick not being on for hours doesn’t mean anything. She could have sent them 3 hrs and 20 minutes ago to RC, who waited until now to send them.

[Innocent Children]

and if Chick sent them but RC didn't send them till hours later means what?

That Skygazer isn’t lying about when she received them.

[Innocent Children]

I received a second copy of the video and then a message saying that no errors regarding moderation occured with any messages sent to me.

then this is a lie, right?

This sound like an RC message to me based on messages I received in Labrynth, so I don’t think so.

[Innocent Children]

But then RC is lying about there being no moderator error.

It would depend on when Chick sent them, a few hours ago, does not imply mod error.

[Innocent Children]

But then RC is lying about there being no moderator error.

It would depend on when Chick sent them, a few hours ago, does not imply mod error.

P.edit. Why would RC lie about that?

[Innocent Children]

14) Vecna
8) Skygazer

17) Wh4t
13) Whemestar

7) Chickadee
6) Gamma Emerald

1) Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
2) Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)

12) Porkens

5) Mastina
18) Ginngie

11) Invisibility
16) Vaxkiller

19) Nero Cain
20) Nosferatu

22) randomidget
21) jjh927
3) Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)

4) Nicorobin
9) Titus
10) KuroiXHF
15) Lady Angel

Why aren’t the numbers in order?

[Innocent Children]

UNVOTE:

[Innocent Children]

FRESH SEATS, FRESH SEATS. GET YOUR FRESH SEATS FOR THE Lady Angel WAGON RIGHT HERE

.

Okay.

VOTE: Lady Angel

[Innocent Children]

But then RC is lying about there being no moderator error.

It would depend on when Chick sent them, a few hours ago, does not imply mod error.

P.edit. Why would RC lie about that?

I don't think he would.

Why would Skygazer lie about about receiving 5 identical videos?

[Innocent Children]

Right so...vax, lady A or Kuroi? All three are active lurkers. Imma go with vax because that will give the most info based on interactions/reads related to him. Bye people glgl.

Okay, everyone unvote Wh4t.

[Innocent Children]

A Story Revisited

Votecount 1.43:

Porkens (3): Whemestar, randomidget, Porkens
Vaxkiller (2): jjh927, Nosferatu
Mastina (2): Maid Cafe, Nicorobin
Skygazer (1): Titus
Whemestar (1): KuroiXHF
Vecna (1): Lady Angel
Innocent Children (1):

Sora

Lady Angel (1): Nero Cain
Chickadee (0):
Invisibility (0):
Nicorobin (0):
jjh927 (0):
Rylai and Lina (0):
Maid Cafe (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Titus (0):
KuroiXHF (0):
Ginngie (0):
Nero Cain (0):
Nosferatu (0):
randomidget (0):

Not Voting: Vecna, Vaxkiller,

Wh4t

, Skygazer, Chickadee, Gamma Emerald, Mastina, Invisibility, Ginngie, Innocent Children,

Shiro

With 21 alive it's 12 to lynch. (this is correct.)

The day will end in (expired on 2018-09-25 18:00:00).

Why is Shiro listed as not voting when his hydra is voting me?

[Innocent Children]

FRESH SEATS, FRESH SEATS. GET YOUR FRESH SEATS FOR THE Lady Angel WAGON RIGHT HERE

.

Okay.

VOTE: Lady Angel

[Innocent Children]

Why is Shiro listed as not voting when his hydra is voting me?

Shiro never voted you. I did

Also the heck happened

~Sora

Oh yes, that would explain it.

Wh4t desperadoed Vax, now Vax is IC.

[Innocent Children]

Spoiler:

did you just say if he was joking

glad to see someone else is not blind.

anime gifs are a towntell btw

This is called a joke

Do you speak for random?

I can't even ...

Nancy is NOT a naive player who can't understand jokes. Nancy Knows how to play as town knows how to play as scum. Nearly outlived people as scum by acting this naive recently and I can't allow anyone to give her credit for this attitude.

~Sora

No

she does this to look like whatever she looks like after that. she wants to make people underestimate her. It's her thing.

~Sora

Whatever. I could write a wall about how this is wrong and how you don't understand how Nancy plays mafia. You do not understand how Nancy Drew plays mafia if you believe that Nancy intentionally fakes derps to get by as scum (and this is opposed to making major plays, which I believe she did do in Heroes Wanted, but is not the same type here). You do not understand that Nancy Drew just unintentionally does this regardless of her alignment.

In my honest opinion you sound upset that you believe you caught Nancy Drew as scum in Heroes Wanted but could not push it, and want to replicate that performance by scumreading Nancy Drew for doing things that she would've done anyways as town.

It gets pretty clear you're tunnelled on us when you start quoting a whatever post about my read on Kuroi, which is not garbage - in fact I'm still holding onto it and am still surveying Kuroi's subsequent few posts - and is just you being biased. I recommend you lay off and go read a town game of Nancy Drew's like Labyrinth Mafia, because it's pretty clear that you don't know a stitch about how Nancy plays the game and just want to catch her again for your own reasons.

And don't say meta isn't a part of it. Because you don't go and ride any regular slot into the sunset because of supposed "fake derps". You're on our slot because you want to be right.

~Disquieted

My case on your slot and nancy has nothing to do with heroes wanted. my case is about how I see her reactions to people fake when she is talking about

but yeah meta is a part of this and effects the read as if nancy is always like this then it's NAI but what I said about I seeing that as a gambit that she is pulling off to make people townread her in all games is a sirious read based on things she did in this game alone and how she reacted to people who were explaining that to her. or her reactions when she was pushed for it.

and I'm not tunneling her. I'm actually pretty open to vote someone else if they are scummier or to talk about this read or other reads or change my read if I see anything towny from your slot.

~Sora

[Innocent Children]

P.edit. It’s really okay FA, it’s all good. I’ve basically resigned myself that Dis has got you dead to rights and I expect a brick wall to put more effort into sincerity trying to sort me.

[Innocent Children]

You're killing me girl

I've been playing mafia for so long now

will you stop treating me like someone who is trying to get vengeance or some shit over a game that means nothing to me and I didn't even join its dvc and I won it anyway?

Stop ATEing the fuck out of this.

~Sora

I’m not saying anything that isn’t true. Call that an AtE or whatever, it doesn’t alter the facts.

[Innocent Children]

I already told this in that post

"and I'm not tunneling her. I'm actually pretty open to vote someone else if they are scummier or to talk about this read or other reads or change my read if I see anything towny from your slot."

so what's your deal? do something towny and I will back off. atm I'm leaning that you were trying to fake naiveness to get easy credit and its my best lead to find a scum in this game so my vote will stay. When I talked with shiro she is puzzled about your slot and counts you as null - slightly scummy too

~Sora

Oh I definitely believe Shiro is trying to correctly sort me but he will obviously get overruled. You aren’t going to see anything “townie” from me, because you don’t want to. Let’s just call a spade a freaking spade here, shall we?

[Innocent Children]

You're killing me girl

I've been playing mafia for so long now

will you stop treating me like someone who is trying to get vengeance or some shit over a game that means nothing to me and I didn't even join its dvc and I won it anyway?

Stop ATEing the fuck out of this.

~Sora

I’m not saying anything that isn’t true. Call that an AtE or whatever, it doesn’t alter the facts.

It is not true!

I'M NOT SCUMREADING YOU BASED ON HEROES WANTED GAME.

like maybe caps help it?!

~Sora

Your

AtE is not conving, sorry.

If you had been desperado over Wh4t, I’d probably be IC for realz rn. Lol.

[Innocent Children]

19) Saint Nero Cain

1) Rylai and Lina (Frozen Angel & Shiro)
2) Innocent Children (Nancy Drew 39 & Disquieted)

3) Maid Cafe (MariaR & Beeboy)

4) Nicorobin

5) Mastina9last red?
6) Gamma Emerald

7) Chickadee
8) Skygazer

9) Titus
10) KuroiXHF

11) Invisibility
12) Porkens
13) Whemestar
14) Vecna

15) Lady Angel

16) Vaxkiller

18) Ginngie

20) Nosferatu

21) jjh927
22) randomidget

#10 should probably be next.

[Innocent Children]

@FA

-what were you reading me as in heros and why?

in heroes, you were towny cause you were open and you had this spark of solving in your posts trying to figure out drixx. We haven't interacted that much in that game but you were in my slight towny list and definitely not in my poe list till I replaced out. why are you asking about that?

Sora is voting IC slot. Shiro is not voting.

you guys split?

i'll fix it on the next page.

yes we have 2 votes.

~Sora

What? How the fuck do you guys get 2 votes now?

Are you doublevoter or ???

[Innocent Children]

Your AtE is not conving, sorry.

If you had been desperado over Wh4t, I’d probably be IC for realz rn. Lol.

I'm not a native English speaker and my English is self-learned. I missuse you're and your frequently.

But at least I can understand jokes like what rando did and apparently you can't?

and I would desperado you. I don't think. at least I'm not sure I would go with you.

~Sora

Shame because if the 2 of us somehow wind up in MYLO/LYLO together, town is fucked.

[Innocent Children]

And I still have no salt and I still claim I'm not tunneling you and I still like my vote on you. IDK why are you wasting your time talking to me when you think my read is based on an old game. and why you keep saying that over what is actually my reason to vote you. and I don't know why you don't change your focus instead of talking to me if you just want to say the same crap accusing me of tunneling if you're a town.

~Sora

I am more then happy to talk to you -

about anything else then either your bs read/bad vote on me

- because I can’t afford to keep banging my head against a freaking brickwall/lose anymore brain cells with someone whose already got their mind made up on our slot. Dis will most likely/hopefully be carrying this slot next week, so we’ll see how honest and on the level, you’re truly being about this. He is even more pessimistic about that prospect then I am, if humanly possible. Meh

[Innocent Children]

What? How the fuck do you guys get 2 votes now?

Are you doublevoter or ???

I just said the same thing didn't I? yes we are a double voter. we have separate votes as its pretty obvious from the RC vote count.

~Sora

Are you doublevoter or ???

i mean, its confirmed by the mod so its obviously a role thing. This was kinda a dumb thing to ask.

How? FA just said they get separate votes. Great, so 2 wasted votes on our slot every freaking week we stay alive. \o/

[Innocent Children]

Damn you Wh4t, you could have put me out of my misery. :/

[Innocent Children]

unless you two are scum and the whole point IS to distract.

If FA and me were scum in this game, I’d have replaced out.

Now my best hope is scum having mercy on me.