Overkill 1: Serenity/Firefly (GAME OVER)

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Curse you Ari for making me actually work on this! If I'm right, Jingle is not town.

Why? Isn’t trying to get HoB lynched over 3Ps townie?

Oh anyway, forgot to do this earlier.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Mecmenno

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

votecount

With 16 alive it takes 9 to lynch.

Toogeloo (5):	Aristophanes (2761),	Elsa Jay (2765),	CheekyTeeky (2779),	Chickadee (2780),	Gamma Emerald (2792),
Malakittens (2):	Nancy Drew Shogunate (2444),	McMenno (2535),
McMenno (2):	BuJaber (2082),	Flicker (2613),
Nancy Drew Shogunate (2):	Thor665 (2092),	Toogeloo (2774),
Gamma Emerald (1):	Chara (2710),
Not voting (4):	Tails,	Reasonably Rational,	Malakittens,	Jingle (2402),

(expired on 2018-10-29 22:00:00) remain.

Toog is the lead wagon, now? I need to read up on this.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

I thought he was LR?

Are people thinking either his claim is fake or scum LR?

*confused*

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Isn’t trying to get HoB lynched over 3Ps townie?

I'm checking some timing stuff related to that post. It might not be as weird as I thought. His thought process on 3p is kinda really strange, though. I need to reread it and see how it looks in context. This may be an issue of Jingle's style changing since I last saw him in action. There's also a flavor element of the claim I'm having issues with, but it's probably nothing and shouldn't be taken into account. ISO read should resolve all of this.

It's just...2 pages...

Well, if it helps, I have meta with the worst - Jingle’s predecessor who I read as town.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

My longass catchup posts are on page 107.

Claims this game so far-

Elsa: Neutral Doc (Ascetic BP)
Flicker: Priest
Toog: Lightning Rod

Chickadee: Day flavor cop (who says Robin is River/Simon)

Jingle: Mason

Mala: Lyncher who flavor target is "Mal"

I'm keeping this as a reminder for later.

eliminating anyone not of their faction is what scum want to do. a lyncher on a town target can only ever scumside

Actually, this is untrue.

Mala wants to lynch specifically Mal. (God, that is gonna get annoying fast.)

Outside of that, her next preferred lynch target is: Scum with a nightkill. She actively wants every non Mal town player to stay alive, because the longer that is true, the more likely it is that Mal doesn't get shot. See how that is not scumsiding? Good. I know it's not explicitly townsiding either, but she is definitely not going to scumside because she loses the game if they win before she exits.

Additionally, the spec says that we have exactly 9 town players. That means, given multiple KPN, that we are very quickly going to approach an untenable position unless scum crosskill or cross target. It also means that we can fairly easily determine when it is likely all of the groupscum are dead. If we have more 3rd parties that we can accomodate without having to push them into scum's camp, I'm all for taking advantage of it. If we're at a point in the game where we can give an additional player the win without jeopardizing our own chances, I'm all for it.

To counter Toog's claim that lynching Mala is confirmably lynching two non town on what is effectively D1, that is true enough. But, more importantly, lynching Mala is not lynching group scum. It also doesn't decrease the KPN. And, and this is by far the most important part: We don't have to lynch Mala to win. We're getting damn close to a PoE here off of claims. If we can narrow down scum and just lynch down the line, we don't ever have to lynch Mala to win. If Reynolds flips, we don't have to lynch Mala to win. We DO have to lynch the group scum to win, unless we get super lucky on crosskills. They are a bigger threat, therefore we prioritize dealing with them. We should definitely be aiming to lynch group scum.

As far as scum wanting to take out more bodies? Yeah, that's still definitely a thing. Mala actively wants to lynch scum. They will shoot town, town being shot is how she loses. Therefore, Mala is a threat to scum. Removing threats is how scum wins. As scum, you don't leave a serial killer alive because he might shoot town. You kill the serial killer because he might shoot you. Chickadee is obviously the bigger threat, but she's also obviously a better Doc target. Scum can't afford to miss kills when we have this many probtown. EJ is a decent choice for a scumkill just so he can't protect anymore, but the bp screws all kinds of hell with that logic. Objectively, the best kills here are in obvtown like me, power roles with the possibility of confirming town, like Chick, and people who represent multiple votes that want to lynch scum, like our dear unidentified Captain. ANY chance that scum will shoot for the last (and incidentally might hit other scum) is worth saving.

And, finally: Mala can explicitly win with town given her Role. She cannot be a game ending Lyncher (the reason not to leave Lynchers alive under normal circumstances is to prevent them from screwing the town by being an exclusive wincon lyncher).

Because the dots are fairly easy to connect from there, we do not have a serial killer in this game. The serial killer wincon is incompatible with the rules.

(I must have hard skimmed this because I had some of the same revelations about a page ago and just realized I reiterated a few things lol)

I'm not sure what HoB is short for but otherwise I agree with this post of Jingle's

HoB is short for Hands of Blue. They're confirmed to be a 2 man scum team with a traitor via the traitors flip.

Flavorwise, the traitor was a member of the Alliance and the Hands of Blue are the wetwork team of Blue Sun, which means the Alliance and Blue Sun are working together this game and any additional scumteams are flavored around other factions. Like the Reavers or Niska's crew.

Ooooooh! No Shit! =D
A50 is doing great work then! I Love it!!!

Okay so ya, with HoB and possible other factions there's no way we should be worried about 3P roles. f they can win without harming us fine. If they claim I'm not gonna jump on them at all!

We then have 2 claimed 3P roles, a flipped traitor, 2 HoB scum, possibly Reavers and Niska, and who knows what else.
That's a minimum 5/17 antitown with a likely promise of 2-4 more right? We probably only have 9 town/Serenity members, which I just checked and is exactly the number of crew there were! Part of this theory is because of how the Wincons are written. There is no majority win for scum, because town is starting with just over half the players! It actually makes sense for us to hep 3P roles because it is a harmless way of getting rid of them, since their wincons are not game ending!

This setup is fascinating!

(This is the post where I reiterated some things...)

The rest is where Nico replacement train started and Toog looked scummier than they already did. That's only 2 pages and I recommend at least trying to read that much

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NicoRobin

Let's go. Kill it with Fire and Brimstone. Charge! All aboard who's comin' aboard. They can take away our lives, but they can never take away our freedom. Rock, sometime when the team is up against it and the breaks are beating the boys, tell them to go out there with all they've got and win just one for the Gipper.

Hoozah.

This is a bad vote, if Nico is River.

I don’t know anything about the setup but this.

https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Hands_of_Blue

The "Hands of Blue" were a pair of mysterious men, who wore suits and blue gloves. They were contractors to the Union of Allied Planets and were in pursuit of River and Simon Tam. Anyone who had any form of contact with River, even Alliance personnel, was killed without mercy with the use of a sonic device that induces massive bleeding from every orifice.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

LR?

Wow, no kills. So Toog as LR may explain it. However if EJ was on Cheeky, that probably points to more than one protective in the game. Since Toog had to have been doc’d since he clearly didn’t claim bp.

Lightning Rod
Lightning Rod
Alias:
Magnet
Alignment:
Pro-Town
Role type:
Manipulative
Passive
Negative Utility
Choice:
Night

The Lightning Rod passively redirects every Night Action to itself. This includes the Mafia's kill as well as all investigations, protections, and so forth.

In games with at least one protective role, this essentially makes the game Nightless until the Lightning Rod dies for whichever reason. Otherwise, this functionally makes the Lightning Rod the designated Night 1 Mafia kill while rendering all other power roles worthless during Night 1.

Lightning Rods are most often, but not necessarily, pro-Town. Perhaps also see Suicidal.

However if Toog is actually a scum LR, then that probably means my town doc theory was wrong.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

The TPFKAP lynch will basically be a policy lynch considering his flip will be almost entirely informationless.

...and people gave me a hard time for saying we should lynch the third party player.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: NicoRobin

Let's go. Kill it with Fire and Brimstone. Charge! All aboard who's comin' aboard. They can take away our lives, but they can never take away our freedom. Rock, sometime when the team is up against it and the breaks are beating the boys, tell them to go out there with all they've got and win just one for the Gipper.

Hoozah.

What made you suddenly be in favour of policy lynches?

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Lightning Rods basically always have modifiers. Did they claim unlimited?

For the record, I do not have any flavor between the 1 and 2 RR was looking for.

My Role PM is simply...
"You are

[REDACTED]

. You are a

Lightning Rod

.

[Explanation of Lightning Rod]

. You win when all threats to the Serenity Crew are gone."

I am not Compulsive.

I'll also happily lynch any 3rd party claim, but that's not the same as actively hunting for 3rd party.

That’s all he said about it.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

@)Humble request to Almost: if Robin doesnt post game-relevant content in say 24 hours, I feel a replacement is necessary considering all the prod dodges with no real content from the slot.

Or we can just flash wagon the slot and be done with it all together. We've been pussy footing around all day, had plenty of "shady" players in sights, and for whatever reason no one cares to actually seal the deal on anything.

Going for the slot Chickadee is saying could be clear RN is a horrible decision, but getting someone who'll be useful to town or basically scare the scum into killing the slot from prior experience with said player is much better then a hang.

+1

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

VOTE: Tails

???

So, you are disagreeing with Chick on Nico/Tails probably being River?

And if you believe their claim. then they can’t obviously be HoB right?

The only thing I’m confused about is why HoB would want to kill a CN?

But it makes absolutely no sense for Tails to be lying about their slot, since Chick had that slot as likely town, right?

So Tails is unlikely to be HoB in any case, and I think lynching them should always be our focus, before 3Ps. You disagree?

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Hmm I'm glad tails is here but if he's neutral there's nothing stopping us from lynching that slot tbh. I don't believe he's neutral and based on Chicks posts it would actually point to him being HoB.

I hereby declare that I shall die on the 2nd day of 2nd month in year 2022, so I'd get to be with Ace. <2

In fact I can see this being a scumslip, with Nico potentially claiming to be River here. If Nico were River she wouldn't know and therefore wouldn't crumb 22. (River often said two by two hands of blue).

Oh, this changes things.

But still why claim CN , when he didn’t need to claim or why not claim town?

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Wtf is a chaotic neutral

I couldn’t find any definition of it on Mafia Wiki but apparently roles with a chaotic modifier do exist.


Manho
Lazarus the Soul Chaotic Compulsive Commuter - Destroyed Day 3 - Loss
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[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Spoiler:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/description.htm#alignment

You guys are idiots.

Chaotic Neutral, "Free Spirit"
A chaotic neutral character follows his whims. He is an individualist first and last. He values his own liberty but doesn’t strive to protect others’ freedom. He avoids authority, resents restrictions, and challenges traditions. A chaotic neutral character does not intentionally disrupt organizations as part of a campaign of anarchy. To do so, he would have to be motivated either by good (and a desire to liberate others) or evil (and a desire to make those different from himself suffer). A chaotic neutral character may be unpredictable, but his behavior is not totally random. He is not as likely to jump off a bridge as to cross it.

Chaotic neutral is the best alignment you can be because it represents true freedom from both society’s restrictions and a do-gooder’s zeal.

Isn’t this a DnD term?

Like I’ve taken that test and usually score neutral good. So, how does this relate to Mafia?

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Nancy is town from this confusion

. Not so sure about Cheeky, though. That's too much of a "gotcha" response to me.

Shhhhh . . . the people hungering for my mislynch, won’t be too happy to hear you say this.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

People's reponse to

Ari's Chaotic Neutral claim

just proves to me that comprehension and interpretation is off the scales bad this game.

We all need to start talking under the impression that those reading our posts are five year olds.

Ari? I think you mean Tails. XD

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

if she claimed a certain flavour for you and was wrong, it's possible your role wouldn't match the flavour. there are still some ways to check.
i actually know mine, somewhat. and by know mine i mean i have two good guesses. :>

i do think she's probably town regardless of that, though. and she could have claimed a definitive alignment rather than a definitive flavour, like she did with Porkens.
though it's important to note that her role being real isn't really alignment indicative. i'm townreading her emotionally.

Agreed, Chick was one of my strongest townreads before she ever claimed anything.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

hey there, sorry I've been absent

-tor

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

who did tails replace in for?

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

hey there, sorry I've been absent

-tor

:/ great timing.

yeah that looked beetlejuiced didn't it. do I beetlejuice as scum, though? or at all? what do you think?

nancy was upset that I'm not posting, I promised to do it yesterday but worked til late and didn't, so I dragged my ass to do it now. I'm not in the mood for mafia lately and I don't wanna read much. my thoughts on this game are scattered and old, and honestly the mafiascum format makes players like jingle and thor just much better than me when it comes to solving anything.

why are you voting us, cheeky?

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

who did tails replace in for?

NicoRobin.

cool

cheeky did you explain what type of green check you have on nico? is it a peek, or is it something else? sorry if you already did that.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

can you type out all the claims for me? or someone

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

I think I'd rather vote Flicker than tails, from a contribution PoV. Also I take back the McMenno wagon being a good idea. Thor, let's get it started.

VOTE: NDS

Hello, my name isn’t Flicker, last time I checked?

~N

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

why are you voting us, cheeky?

Because in my pool of non-claims "Ari, Chara, BuJaber, Tails, Thor" you're the most likely to be scum imo. Also the alternative wagon options on Tails and Flicker aren't the most appetising. I'd probably go Flicker over Tails if I can't consolidate a wagon on you.

Nope, we’re town. Sorry to disappoint.

~Nancy

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

UNVOTE:

I think you townread me and are pushing a mislynch on lhf.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

So you said you obv town, which hasn't happened...and now you're low hanging fruit? The omgus is real.

I said I don’t believe you’re actually scumreading me and you’re pushing us due to the lhf factor. When dif I ever claim to be obvtown? I said I would BECOME obvtown eventually? Do you suffer from selective reading ability or what? Do you want to bring up the quote because this is a complete misrepresentation of what I actually DID say.

At least Thor made some kind of case. It’s wrongheaded though but your push reads opportunistic to me. It seems you are likely voting me to derail another wagon, not because you actually scumread me. And no, don’t think I have any intention of just rolling over and allowing our slot to be mislynched.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Anymore outdated scum tells you guys feel like dropping?

That wouldn’t be possible really, since we’re not but nice shade, anyway. Let me know when you actually have a case on me because this obviously isn’t it.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

it's hard to obvtown when you're inactive, to be fair.

This is the thing. Cheeky is deliberately misrepresenting what I actually said and she damn well knows it. Jump on us for what we actually did say, not agenday of what was really said. And I’m well aware and I was planning to make up for this on Day 3. I’ve been dealing with a lot and Cheeky is trying to taunt me for some reason -I’m still not sure to what end.

I love her selective reading uncomprehension. When Tails pushed on her she had a meltdown but fails to see hypocrisy in what she’s doing here. I think that irks me more than anything.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

I think you townread me and are pushing a mislynch on lhf.

LHF? Is this a mistaken auto correct, or am I missing something?

Low hanging fruit. Her timing is highly suspect. Unlike Thor who has never moved his vote off of us, Cheeky suddenly pushing us seems to be more about stopping another wagon than anything to do with us.

What’s your case on us Cheeky or do you even have one?

Instead of making valid arguments, you misrepresent what I say and throw nonsensical shade at us. You are pushing us because you are not interested in sorting us at all, you just want to mislynch our slot. We will flip town, jsyk.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

lhf is low hanging fruit.
also i definitely don't want to lynch Flicker today. i believe Rational is wrong about the flavour thing making her suspicious.

pedit: i'd still be scumreading Cheeky (and i may go back to that later when more flavous revealed), but i have them as town mechanically.

anyway you're here now, that's good.

I’ve had trouble getting into this game being that it’s so flavour based and I have seen neither Serenity nor Firefly.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

So you said you obv town, which hasn't happened...and now you're low hanging fruit? The omgus is real.

So, you think it somehow scummy to vote the player that you believe is making a bad highly questionable push on you?

Why is that? If I honestly think your push isn’t coming from a townie motivation, why shouldn’t I vote you?

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

toranaga is here

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

nancy is very out of her scumrange in this page already and everyone that knows her (unfortunately nobody in this game) can tell it apart.

but check heroes wanted game, that's her only scum game. especially you, cheeky. do some iso diving cause nancy is playing an emotionally sincere game, and is as transparent as you are. if you don't wanna go through this, just remember d1. you cleared me for a very smart thing you noticed. you can read through my emotions. you know me and at some point in this game, you knew I was town. I understand the set up is hard with the 3ps but you can tell I'm town. I believe you can do it much better than everyone else in this game.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

ancy is very out of her scumrange in this page already and everyone that knows her (unfortunately nobody in this game) can tell it apart.

i've never seen scum nancy but if it helps i'm townreading all of her posts and don't want to lynch you.

I love playing with you chara. too bad it almost never happens.

-tor

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

skimmed through mala to have context on her lyncher claim. she feels genuine around it and I have a hard time seeing why actual pack scum would fakeclaim that.

what did mcmenno soft?

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

it's hard to obvtown when you're inactive, to be fair.

This is the thing. Cheeky is deliberately misrepresenting what I actually said and she damn well knows it. Jump on us for what we actually did say, not agenday of what was really said. And I’m well aware and I was planning to make up for this on Day 3. I’ve been dealing with a lot and Cheeky is trying to taunt me for some reason -I’m still not sure to what end.

I love her selective reading uncomprehension. When Tails pushed on her she had a meltdown but fails to see hypocrisy in what she’s doing here. I think that irks me more than anything.

It's not the same thing at all. I haven't once insulted your intelligence, called you worthless or made you feel stupid. Beetlejuicing and omgus ARE outdated scum tells. If you think I'm misrepping you that's fine I'm not personally attacking you I just think you're scum. I don't think you're being genuine at all tbh. But I could be wrong. Also, thanks for throwing my meltdown in my face, that really shows your colours.

Just stick to your bad sr. Lay off the character assassination. I’m no no mood for that today.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

I just ISO’d RC and It reads like a pretty townie ISO to me. So, I probably won’t ever want to lynch there.

~Nancy

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

I'm posting this here and this will be my last post. I'm quitting MS as part of me deleting myself from the internet, so I won't be able to play this or any other games. I'm really sorry, Nancy. I didn't get to talk to you but I explained the reasons and you know what you have to know.

take care everyone

-toranaga

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

oh also

I love you cheeky. you're one of the best people I met.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

Yep. The RC and Chara thoughts are independently obvtown imo, and I think the opinion of most of the game.

Perhaps thoughts on someone a bit more contentious would be in order.

@Tails: Real quick...I love Drixx, and he *does* sometimes get into these mind spaces where something that directly affected him is given more weight than it would if it were not related to him...but that's part of how people are period, and its mitigated by having another head. I agree with his overall assessment that there is a preponderance of weak evidence against your slot as town, and came to that conclusion prior to any mention of what happened in FakeGods game was made to me. Ignoring that particular piece of things, it still seems more likely than not that you are scum.

So please, stop attempting to attack the least significant(imo, at least) part of why we suspect you.

-Cerb

I’ll try to do my best though. I’m dealing with a lot rn and it’s kind of messing with my head. I will so some more, when I’m feeling a bit better.

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

I'm posting this here and this will be my last post. I'm quitting MS as part of me deleting myself from the internet, so I won't be able to play this or any other games. I'm really sorry, Nancy. I didn't get to talk to you but I explained the reasons and you know what you have to know.

take care everyone

-toranaga

Why am I only finding this out in the thread?:/

[Nancy Drew Shogunate]

First it was Toranaga.

Then it was Nancy Drew Shoganate.

Will you complete the cycle and fully become Nancy Drew 39? Itll be like a pokemon evolution.

Yeah, I just found out the reason why and it is really heartbreaking.

I already asked A50 to change it to that. I will switch to that account, as soon as A50 changes it.