A Story Revisited (Anything uPick): Day 6

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:10 am

In post 7184, Creature wrote:Did loud babysitter claim already?

Nope.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:15 am

Oh, and just in case you guys didn't pick up on it, no one without a reason to act at night should do so. Visitors and similar nonsense should stay home to be pseudotrack targets.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:19 am

In post 7191, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 7160, Jingle wrote:
In post 7155, Nero Cain wrote:you do realize that Nico didn't actually target Mastina right?
Yeah, but she also didn't target anyone else. Hence, not using her role for the first two nights is unlikely > Porkens town.
Hm
Wait, so Porkens flat out lied in the post I quoted
Murder time on the big pig?

Nope. NR's action specifically asked us for our role. Not who we targeted.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:21 am

I'm a Conditional Pizza Vendor, GE. The track came from firebringer.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:22 am

Shoshin claimed bg.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 8:29 am

Lady Angel Claimed 1 shot Dreaming God.
Profii claimed he can post at night and his slot's original claimed if he died he wouldn't flip and he would come back to life. (I neither care about nor want specifics from that.)
NSG is ~99% town based on Meme result, so fuck a claim there unless we need it for PoE purposes, which NSG is smart enough to judge.
Porkens and Vecna have been talking about some stuff Porkens can do, but I'm honestly not bothering to read it because I think the NR target makes him town.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:15 am

I think Ari is the right choice, FWIW, but I could well be wrong. Hence, massclaim.

I just don't see a world where you were roleblocked by town last night.

And yeah, SK hunting is a backseat priority at best.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:17 am

Shoshin isn't conftown, and in fact if we lynch two more antitown without the game ending she is confscum.

We just shouldn't care about her alignment until we flip at least one more scum.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:17 am

Profii is publically confed, Porkens.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:24 am

Ehh. At least the dayphases are fast now.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:31 am

In post 7217, Creature wrote:We took quite long to lynch Nico.

5 days. Should have been 3.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:33 am

Docket:

People who targeted Meme claim their action.
People who haven't claimed, claim.
Potential Guilties.
Lynch Ari?

I'll be back when everyone has checked in.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:33 am

Yeah, profii could be so. I know.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:33 am

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:04 pm

I mean...

I've just been ignoring that it's even a possibility profii, given that it actually doesn't damn you more than anyone else, the slight implication there are no 3rd parties in mastina's role PM, and the fact that half of the clears we have are associative tell based and thus don't work on 3rd parties. Basically, if we lynch all of the PoE pool and the game isn't over we kinda have to start from scratch.

Jingle · Tue Dec 11, 2018 7:52 pm

In post 7236, Gamma Emerald wrote:I noted the wording implied no 3p myself making that list of flips and claims
Had I noticed earlier I would have used it to try to get townlock reads

It was discussed briefly yesterday, but mastina actually brought it up herself on D1.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:06 am

In post 7268, Vecna wrote:Hmmm actually, NR's role does pretty clearly state they will be petitioned for both role and target lol.

Only asked me for role. I agree that it looks like it should have asked for both, but I can confirm Porkens story that it didn’t.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:34 am

The PoE pool in my last Poe post is ordered. Also, I’m kinda waiting to get massclaim out of the way before outing the rest of my night action results (yes, I have them.) so I’m kinda just hoping the game is solvable.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 6:36 am

In post 7269, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 7262, Vecna wrote:I Jailkept Porkens, so he shouldnt be able to visit anyone.
unless his role resolved before yours.

I can think of three ways off the top of my head, actually.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:50 am

In post 7281, THE MEME MEN wrote:Jingle what's your read on Nero? I found your lack of suspicion on him on start of d6, very puzzling.

-LH

Most town out of the likely solve of Ari-Gamma-Nero, but could well be wrong.

He feels like he's trying to solve the game. Not really worried about sorting past that, tbh.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:55 am

In post 7278, THE MEME MEN wrote:How is he town?? I don't follow.

NR targeted Porkens N1. We KNOW this. She provable triple voted him D2.
NR also targeted (or claimed to have targeted) mastina N2. I don't see a scum team choosing to NOT use their rolecop on the first two nights of a UPick. It's not a confirmation mechanically, but the evidence there is pretty strong imo.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:57 am

Agreed. Massclaim between the three potentially suspect slots that haven't claimed, evaluate, lynch the shit out of the one that doesn't fit.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:02 am

In post 7279, THE MEME MEN wrote:I’m not following that there is somehow a Babysitter. If nobody claimed that, then it’s probably not in the setup as I don’t think Bg & Baby exist in this setup with the flips and claims already provided.

Also no, your jk isn’t a commute-type ability, vecna....

-LH

I was informed that I was targeted by a babysitter N2. In order for one not to exist, I have to be scum.

I actually told Firebringer that before NR corroborated yesterday, but if the premise is that I was a NR partner then that's fair. But my green flip absolutely confirms that information to be true.

I was operating under the assumption they were conftown at the time because I saw no evidence of a nonmafia kill, but if one exists mafia babysitter is a potential 6th member. Or the babysitter role and the roleblocker role could be two parts of the same role, because I don't think anyone claimed a roleblock prior to N3 (me) and AFAIK only NR and I claimed to be the babysitter targets.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:03 am

I should probably be lynched/confirmed/shot prior to LYLO, because I am the center of a lot of these unconfirmed roles. I'd like the opportunity to put my tracker role to the test until then, though.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:41 am

In post 7289, THE MEME MEN wrote:@Jingle or anyone - anyone other than Jingle (targeted n2) targeted by the Loud Babysitter? I don't remember anymore.

Also, what's the deal with your other ability of tracking? It didn't work for 5 nights at all?

Who did you send pizza to for your 5 nights again? Creat on n5 I think? Who else?

-LH

N1 no one, prior to my replace in.
N2 Mastina, claimed in thread.
N3 JJh, roleblocked.
N4 JJH again, JJ claimed in thread.
Last night unclaimed, waiting for pizza recipient to claim/not claim. Additionally, waiting for people to claim their actions taken at you last night.

The pizza is a form of tracking. It only gets received if the target didn't visit anyone at night (They have to be there to open the door). Therefore, if someone gets pizza they cannot have performed the scumkill or the roleblock.

As far as I know, only NR has claimed to be targeted by the babysitter other than me, and she's untrustworthy.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:43 am

I tracked LadyAngel N4 via Fire's role and received No Target. Therefore, if Ari is telling the truth about having been roleblocked N3, LA cannot be the roleblocker. I don't see a town roleblocker targeting a claimed parity cop ever, so LA is provisionally town barring a non game ending scumflip.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 8:44 am

In post 7291, Jingle wrote:As far as I know, only NR has claimed to be targeted by the babysitter other than me, and she's untrustworthy.

This was N4, btw.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:22 am

I'm a bad bodyguard target. My flip is almost as valuable as keeping me alive.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 9:22 am

I'd bodyguard one of Meme/Profii.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:05 am

In post 7301, Nero Cain wrote:"oh I'm about to get modkilled"

Oh!

I can explain that now. There's nothing that can break the game about it anymore.

I checked my PT's for an unrelated mishmash game and found an unexpected one named Maid Cafe made by Radiant Cowbells. I happen to know that that is the name of the PT of the Firebringer ability now, through game actions. Given that I had no idea why I was in it and the mod hadn't sent me anything about it, I sent him a PM and was waiting on the force replace for getting extra information.

I guess he decided I didn't need to be force replaced, and I don't know why I briefly had access to that PT before being neighborized.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:44 am

In post 7251, Nero Cain wrote:like the theory goes that Ari isn't scum b/c he was roleblocked and that's what Creature was asking about. I also have a green pm so like...no?

Jingle is also saying that LA didn't action last night so she;s likely not scum unless she's scum with Jingle.

Night before last. She could theoretically still be scum, but she can't be the roleblocker unless Ari is also scum.

I haven't outed last night's maid cafe results yet.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:48 am

Ari, what's your claim?

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 11:49 am

Same @ Gamma and Nero, btw.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:52 pm

Weak and full commute are both variants for hider now.

Stupid NRG and changing the roles and grumble grumble grumble you kids get off my lawn.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:52 pm

In post 7329, Vecna wrote:With all this kill avoiding stuff, it wouldnt even surprise me if the vig is just the 6th scummember.

But why kill Wheme?

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:56 pm

@RC: how would a hider show up to a voyeur? How would a Roleblocker that also causes a post restriction show up to a voyeur?

Meme men was targeted by both a miscellaneous role (which could well be normal hider) and a roleblocking action last night.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:57 pm

Oh. I believe that makes Mememen pretty damn conftown.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:00 pm

After the NR shenanigans I'm kinda just waiting for the Flying Pumpkin that Shoots Laser Beams out of its Ass claim, the NK Immune Miller Vig claim, and the outright scumclaim that doesn't get lynched because "What if he's lying?"

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:00 pm

In post 7345, jjh927 wrote:
In post 7343, Jingle wrote:Oh. I believe that makes Mememen pretty damn conftown.
Do you mean the fact that he got roleblocked in a confirmed manner by an almost-certain-to-be-scum roleblocker

Yuppers. And he 100% can't be faking the roleblock.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:02 pm

No, u.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:05 pm

I believe the only thing left is to see if my Pizza recipient claims, get a gamma claim, and get a Nero claim. And lynch Gamma? I dunno. Part of me still wants to lynch Ari, but if the hider matches to the voyeur result then I'm down with hunting the roleblocker instead.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:12 pm

In post 7355, Nero Cain wrote:maybe it's just me but the wording of this makes it sound like you think there's a scum that's not the roleblocker and then the roleblocker scum.

In post 7351, Jingle wrote:then I'm down with hunting the roleblocker instead.

I'm kinda assuming 6 scum at this point tbh. There's a shitton of town power in this setup.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:15 pm

Nero, Porkens, lynch.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:16 pm

Or Porkens Nero, but really, I'm not too keen to wait on Porkens.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:38 pm

I mean...
Nero shoots Gamma.
Ari hides behind Gamma.
Gamma protects LA.
Should flip 3/4 of the scummiest slots, and if it doesn't then we have guilty based on not playing ball with the gamesolve.

If scumflip and game not over, Nero prob SK. If all townflips I don't even fucking know. If two scum/3P flips, Shoshin has to be scum if game's not over.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:40 pm

Do we care enough to try and force Porkens to claim?

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:45 pm

In post 7370, jjh927 wrote:
In post 7368, Nero Cain wrote:I'm the lurker vig.

I'm assuming that there's scum in the protectives (gamma, ari, Vecna, JJH maybe Shoshin) b/c scum not having a protective seems p odd to me
Oh cool I take it you can't shoot people who have a butt ton of posts?

Fuck. You mean I could have gotten vigged if I had just posted less? Stupid fucking bullshit.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:46 pm

In post 7391, Nero Cain wrote:Also we are prob going to fli one of Ari or Gamma today anyways so...

Why not both?

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:50 pm

Not with the plan I just put up. It kills all the most suspicious peoples, without using the lynch. Hell, if you're that concerned about me I can be Gamma's target instead of LA, or we can just lynch me today.

I guess we should also wait for RC to confirm the hider/voyeur bit and the roleblocker with an added PR bit.

I targeted Ari for pizza last night, btw.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:51 pm

The latter.

We actually considered a similar role for Team Mafia (Ali's game), but decided it rewarded different playstyles unfairly.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:52 pm

Oh shit, what is your threshhold for being able to shoot? Gamma has 470 posts somehow.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:57 pm

Fuck you, I suggested that role.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:01 pm

jj's role in Team Mafia. I suggested it to Ali to replace activity vig and e liked it. He could only shoot someone who had been at L-1 or had hammered during the previous day phase.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:02 pm

Also, my plan doesn't work, Gamma is the 5th highest posting player in this game. Somehow.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:05 pm

She claimed a dream name (Prosperity?) and that she has no idea what it's done. Also, Creature has a different number of A's result on her than her claim.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:18 pm

Varsoon's power was very strong, but not Watcher and parity cop strong.
The rolecop was super gated.
The strongman makes sense with multiple protections, as does the Ninja with multiple tracks, but neither is an outright solution.
The gladiator was at best a suicide bomber for scum and at worst a bunch of full innos.
Presumably they also have a LOUD roleblocker who causes the target to be unable to claim for a day.

Comparitively, a ton of confirmable roles (Vecna, me, Chick, JJ, etc) who pretty much can't be the roleblocker.
A parity cop (heavily gated, but still).
A Watcher/Tracker/Voyeur JOAT Inventor.
A tracker-lite Fruit Vendor.
2 deathproof style roles.
A desperado.
A town roleblocker/delayer.
A babysitter.
A hider.
A Bodyguard.
A potential nightskipper.
A gated vig.

If only one of those is lying, I think scum was pretty heavily disadvantaged before we made mastina our cop. Hence, probably a 6 person scumteam.

Similarly, I don't think there's enough there to make a 7 person scumteam make sense.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:19 pm

In post 7420, THE MEME MEN wrote:I can see why people would think her ability summoned Shoshin in that case

-rh

It didn't, Shoshin was initially signed up for the game as per the signups thread.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:20 pm

In post 7421, jjh927 wrote:Also the discrepancy with Creature is weird because it's flavour name that had the wrong number of As

Creature found 1 A, while LA is claiming to be "Dreaming God, Dreamer of Dreams" which has 3 As

Did we ever determine whether someone had a role that matched the results?

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:22 pm

In post 7415, jjh927 wrote:Yeah but it was bad because in practice it meant the only viable targets were all town, but shooting people who would probably get lynched anyway was still generally +ev

It was supposed to force you to choose between outing yourself or having incredibly limited options kill wise. Which it did.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:35 pm

In post 7429, THE MEME MEN wrote:Creature -- "A" cop -- although reminding me who all was targeted when would be nice

Claimed a guilty on Mastina D3(?), result was actually consistent with role PM.
I think the other claimed targets are me and LA, but I'm honestly not sure, nor do I know phases.

We know Shoshin was delayed entrance.

Firebringer corroborated me being his neighbor, although in hindsight I don't think he told me who got the watcher or how they used it. Either way it was gone when I got neighborized.

GE also 'confirmed' loud by NR. Should be able to be confirmed by profii given claim.

My voyeur gave a result of roleblocking role and miscellaneous role. I'm assuming PR roleblocker would only show up as roleblocking role, but asked RC in thread to confirm. Miscellaneous role could be hider, but I can't confirm that for certain.

Vecna has a reflexive music playing thing and a loud JK.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:45 pm

In post 7021, Vecna wrote:N1 was on the Kuroi slot
N2 was on Mastina (No kill)
N3 was on Mastina
N4 was on Firebringer (No kill)
N5 was on Porkens

Profii should be able to confirm N1.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:47 pm

FB didn't confirm N4, btw, but that doesn't necessarily mean anything. He could have been bluffing his read on me. Profii's confirmation is more important.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:47 pm

In post 7440, jjh927 wrote:I thought I was fairly public about how I got the watcher

Must've missed it.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:54 pm

Profii

, Deathproof ish Nighttalker.

Northsidegal

, ?
Shoshin,

Delayed Entrance

BG
Creature, A-Cop
Nero Cain,

Smiter of Inactivities

jjh927,

Votefreezing

Deathproof
Vecna,

Loud JK

Reflexive Music Vendor
Jingle,

Pizza Vendor

(Tracker-lite)
Lady Angel, Dreaming God
Aristophanes,

Hider

Gamma Emerald,

Babbysitter

Meme,

Parity Cop

Double Voting

Gladiate Winner
Porkens ?

Blue is publically confirmed to exist.
Pink is meh confirmed to exist, or pending something mechanically calling it Bullshit.

We're missing the roleblocker.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:54 pm

In post 7445, Nero Cain wrote:you have a watcher ability?

Firebrunger did.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:55 pm

It was 1x watch, 1x track, 1x voyeur, then they all refresh.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:57 pm

I mean... He also claimed to have targeted profii's slot. Just like the babysitter. So profii could come in and corroborate or guilty either of those slots.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:01 pm

Role duplication/variation seems to be a game theme more than an alignment theme anyway.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:03 pm

I was first.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:12 pm

I feel like there was a reason jj was town besides the whole making a fight between 3 scum players take up center stage for like 6 weeks is a stupid plan thing.

Honestly though, I just don't really care at this point. I'm going to sheep whoever sounds reasonable today, maybe I'll care again tomorrow.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:30 pm

Or Vax N1.

I've been seeing this paradoxical reversal of how you should play strongman and janitor recently. It's weird.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:39 pm

viewtopic.php?f=84&t=74422

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:39 pm

Oh shit, wrong thread. Ignore that old as hell game link.

Jingle · Wed Dec 12, 2018 7:36 pm

In post 7473, Nero Cain wrote:Although I very very much dislike Jingle suggesting that I should suicide on Gamma.

You realize that my suggested plan had you living through the night, right?

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:52 am

In post 7501, Vecna wrote:Also, did firebringer invite you twice in a row? You both tracked and voyeured right?

You can't have JK'd FB, I just realized.

Vecna slipped up.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:55 am

In post 6993, RadiantCowbells wrote:Service with a Smile (Modified Inventor): Everyone you neighbourize will be able to choose to take limited watcher, tracker, or voyeur actions until all have been taken, then the availability resets.
You will perform these actions
, but not receive the results: your customer will receive the results directly.

I got results. FB wasn't roleblocked.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:35 am

Ehh. We should probably check with RC that this actually works the way I think it does. But it certainly looks that way.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 7:40 am

In post 6993, RadiantCowbells wrote:Service with a Smile (Modified Inventor): Everyone you neighbourize will be able to choose to take limited watcher, tracker, or voyeur actions until all have been taken, then the availability resets.
You will perform these actions
, but not receive the results: your customer will receive the results directly.

@Mod: Would a jailkeep on Firebringer prevent Firebringer's customer from receiving the results of the action they took?

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 1:36 pm

The results came in the day after the investigate.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 4:15 pm

VOTE: vecna

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:49 pm

In post 7584, Vecna wrote:
In post 7565, Jingle wrote:
In post 6993, RadiantCowbells wrote:Service with a Smile (Modified Inventor): Everyone you neighbourize will be able to choose to take limited watcher, tracker, or voyeur actions until all have been taken, then the availability resets.
You will perform these actions
, but not receive the results: your customer will receive the results directly.
I got results. FB wasn't roleblocked.
You got results both N4 and N5?

Yes.

On N4 I received a track of LA going nowhere.
Last night I received a voyeur of Meme Men having been roleblocked and targeted by a miscellaneous action.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:53 pm

In post 7446, Jingle wrote:
Profii
, Deathproof ish Nighttalker.

Northsidegal
, ?
Shoshin,
Delayed Entrance
BG
Creature, A-Cop
Nero Cain,
Smiter of Inactivities

jjh927,
Votefreezing
Deathproof
Vecna,
Loud JK
Reflexive Music Vendor
Jingle,
Pizza Vendor
(Tracker-lite)
Lady Angel, Dreaming God
Aristophanes,
Hider

Gamma Emerald,
Babbysitter

Meme,
Parity Cop

Double Voting
Gladiate Winner
Porkens ?

Blue is publically confirmed to exist.
Pink is meh confirmed to exist, or pending something mechanically calling it Bullshit.

We're missing the roleblocker.

@Sheep. I believe this is the most accurate list of roles for unflipped players. My ISO is probably one of the more valuable ones, but also one of the longest. If you're going to read a significant portion of the game, I'd start when Shoshin dropped in. Before that it was largely a mechanical slog.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:37 pm

Because tracker innos mean nothing unless you only have one scum left, and we provably had at least two?

Also, I claimed my results in the neighborhood because not letting scum know what actions remained on Fire's claimed role was optimal and I had no reason to believe both of us could die.

I only realized that Fire being roleblocked meant I wouldn't have gotten a result recently; I had wrongly assumed that it operated as a normal inventor does.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 10:59 pm

In post 7597, Vecna wrote:Whatever happened, you better help me force the truth out of the replacement for porkens, or youre going down very hard with that slot.

I really dont see any other explanation here that does not at least have
you or porkens or both as scum
.

I see one. You're scum.

Agreed, sheep needs to claim.

My not caring enough to get Porkens to claim is pretty simple: getting Porkens to confirm the wording on NR's action took like 4 days, and he was probtown.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:03 pm

Also, basically confirmed that we have at least two scum remaining at this point.

Vec town requires scum redirector.
Vec scum has a confirmable visiting role.
Still missing scum roleblocker.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:13 pm

We should be able to confirm more town based on this too.

We know the composition of a scumteam that doesn't contain me/Vecna, so confirmable roles that aren't me/Vecna can't be scum. Unless 7 scum, in which case Shoshin is scum.

So Nero, Gamma, jj are all conftown.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:16 pm

In post 7605, Vecna wrote:Which persons have claimed to be visited by the loud babysitter again? Did it line up with GE's claim?

Which persons have claimed to be visited by the roleblocker, and what nights.

Just me and NR, AFAIK, which lines up kinda but is missing names.

Roleblocker is me N3, Ari N4, Meme last night. I got a voyeur confirmation that Meme was RB'd.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:23 pm

In post 7602, Vecna wrote:So, assume you believe me - what mechanical shenanigans do you see here?

Assuming I believe you, I think I'm the correct lynch after getting the sheep claim.

It confirms way more of the question marks than lynching you, and on the off chance you are town you have the much more valuable role.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:36 pm

Meme, Nero, Gamma, jj, profii, NSG - locktown.

LA- Didn't target anyone N4 unless redirector targeted FB.

Shoshin, sheep-> potential RB/Redirector

Jingle/Vecna -> both confirmable roles, seeming 1v1.

Ari -> Claimed RB target.

Creature -> What proof do we have of his role?

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:38 pm

Actually, NSG could be missing RB or Redirector if she's 3p.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:43 pm

Voyeur shows him as roleblocked N5.

Shoshin can't be roleblocker, or at least very improbable. She arrived midway through D4, roleblocker acted N3. I doubt that she would've been able to act N3.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:46 pm

So we're back to if we're both town, sheep pretty much has to be redirector.

You're actually poisoned?

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:48 pm

Any chance lynch me, Nero shoots sheep, you die to poison or get lynched can fuck us over?

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:51 pm

Alright. I'm going to bed, but I'm pretty sure the right play here is actually

VOTE: Jingle

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:53 pm

Last Will before I go, JIC: If Shoshin doesn't die before 7P, lynch her as a paranoia lynch. Treat this game as a 10v3 or 10v2v1 until she flips.

Jingle · Thu Dec 13, 2018 11:54 pm

In post 7629, Vecna wrote:And unless the replacement has a killer explanation, lynching that slot is probably a great choice as well.

Nero should be able to shoot it. He definitely can't shoot me.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:29 am

Nope, Firebringer can’t act anymore.

The neighborhood did not close during the day, although fb was surprised by that.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:45 am

In post 7632, Vecna wrote:Regardless, if youre town I want more pizza to make this go down faster.

The pizza is pretty useless at this point.

I can get results from:

NSG
Maybe sheep
Maybe profii
JJ
LA

3 of those are functionally conftown imo, Nero should be shooting another, and a 50/50 of did he holster or not isn't really worth not having all of the WIFOM surrounding my slot cleared up.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:38 am

In post 7637, Shoshin wrote:Jingle, or anyone who has kept up -- can you summarize in a single post all the night actions that we know about or that have been claimed by players?

In post 7446, Jingle wrote:
Profii
, Deathproof ish Nighttalker.

Northsidegal
, ?
Shoshin,
Delayed Entrance
BG
Creature, A-Cop
Nero Cain,
Smiter of Inactivities

jjh927,
Votefreezing
Deathproof
Vecna,
Loud JK
Reflexive Music Vendor
Jingle,
Pizza Vendor
(Tracker-lite)
Lady Angel, Dreaming God
Aristophanes,
Hider

Gamma Emerald,
Babbysitter

Meme,
Parity Cop

Double Voting
Gladiate Winner
Porkens ?

Blue is publically confirmed to exist.
Pink is meh confirmed to exist, or pending something mechanically calling it Bullshit.

We're missing the roleblocker.

Huh. NSG could be maybe not town.

If both me and Vec flip town, she has high busdriver equity.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 9:46 am

Specifically: NSG switches FB and NR N4, NR tries to kill. That solves pretty much everything except where the missing RB is.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:33 am

@Mod: how would a hider show up to FB's voyeur? How would a Roleblocker that also causes a post restriction show up to FB's voyeur?

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:38 am

For some people. I didn't really care about others. Anyone in specific you're interested in?

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:53 am

Aight, I'll put em all together in a minute.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:25 am

Spoiler: Profii, Deathproof ish Nighttalker.

Spoiler: Northsidegal, ?

Spoiler: Shoshin, Delayed Entrance BG

Spoiler: Creature, A-Cop

Spoiler: Nero Cain, Smiter of Inactivities

Spoiler: jjh927, Votefreezing Deathproof

Spoiler: Vecna, Loud JK Reflexive Music Vendor

Spoiler: Jingle, Pizza Vendor (Tracker-lite)

Spoiler: Lady Angel, Dreaming God

Spoiler: Aristophanes, Hider

Spoiler: Gamma Emerald, Babbysitter

Spoiler: Meme, Parity Cop Double Voting Gladiate Winner

Spoiler: Sheep, flipless reflexive messenger

Flipped

Spoiler: Wh4t Desperado

Spoiler: Vaxkiller Delayer

Spoiler: Varsoon Hidden Votes

Spoiler: Chickadee Day Music Vendor

Spoiler: Skygazer Night Skipper

Spoiler: Mastina Disloyal Gladiator

Spoiler: Invisibility Pinball Repairman

Spoiler: Nicorobin Rolecopping Tracker

Spoiler: Whemestar 1 shot Strongman, 1 shot Ninja

Spoiler: Firebringer Joat Inventor/Neighborizor

Missing roles: Roleblocker -> confirmed to exist.
Redirection role?
Profii needs to corroborate loud actions.
Creature and Shoshin haven't claimed their results fully AFAICT.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:33 pm

@mod: Is hider a miscellaneous, blocking, or commuting role by your definition?

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:47 pm

7669

FB didn't tell me about actions targeting him.

Profii still needs to corroborate. I believe everything else is either unconfirmable or already confirmed.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:50 pm

Shit, I meant protective.

Basically, I want to know if the hide on Meme showed up. Because if it didn't, Ari is probably scum.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:51 pm

In post 7680, Jingle wrote:
@mod: Is hider a miscellaneous, protective, or commuting role by your definition?

FTFM

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:53 pm

In post 0, RadiantCowbells wrote:14) Players not use factional and individual actions simultaneously unless their role PM explicitly says otherwise.

This is interesting.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:05 pm

But what if the flavor is Scummy McScummerstein, neighborhood mafiate?

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:14 pm

In post 7702, Nero Cain wrote:this joking agreement
mocking rage
is actually p scummy.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:17 pm

In post 7702, Nero Cain wrote:Nico claimed his real role that matched his flavor (apparently, I don't watch Japanese cartoons) and was scum so...

I think the flavor was the mafiascum player, not the amine character.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:50 pm

In post 7718, jjh927 wrote:
In post 7708, northsidegal wrote:
In post 7693, jjh927 wrote:VOTE: NSG

There is no role that could be that harmful to claim here
you're being stupid and uncreative

consider a role that becomes effectively useless if actually claimed. it's not hard to think of.
Godfather!

Cult Recruiter!

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:51 pm

In post 7716, THE MEME MEN wrote:
Votecount 6.01

Aris – nero, nsg
Sheep – vecna, LA
Jingle - jingle
Nsg - jjh

Not voting: ?

With 13 alive, we need 8 to lynch

Day 6 ends on Dec 24

-LH

This is a stupid votecount. Not pointing fingers here, but collectively we're terrible at this.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:52 pm

In post 7717, Gamma Emerald wrote:And he is NOT normal hider unless the term weak is written out in his role as Normal hider is not weak without the modifier

No, he's a normal hider. Apparently he just kind of assumed he was weak despite having recently modded a game with a normal hider. It was a whole big thing where multiple people don't believe it.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:56 pm

In post 7717, Gamma Emerald wrote:I also find it suspect that jingle sent pizza to aris on n5 and aris said he never got it. One of them is scum.

This is... actually a consistent result with my ability. My ability fails if the target didn't stay home at night. Ari claimed to have hid behind you, but my pizza should have failed.

The one of them is scum moment is possibly the voyeur, which I've been bringing up. If a post restricting roleblocker would show to a voyeur as miscellaneous and roleblocking OR if a hider would show as not miscellaneous to a voyeur, then Ari is a liar.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:58 pm

In post 7722, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wow ok I missed the point where he realized it wasn’t that
My last two brain cells when...

I feel you. I'm pretty sure I lost my last two braincells when mastina flipped disloyal. Because fucking WHY?

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 1:59 pm

Meme did, I quoted it out of a post you quoted and didn't bother to fix the formatting to reflect.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:56 pm

RC answered, Ari is scum.

Hider shows up as a Hider action.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:35 pm

In post 7736, THE MEME MEN wrote:non-visiting role

There's a few claimed/flipped non visiting roles, like jj's and Varsoons.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:40 pm

FWIW, the elephant in the room is that the guilty on Ari is yet another piece of information only trustworthy if I am.

I'd like to request I not be protected by anyone tonight, as I think my flip is valuable.

Also, given roleblocker AND scumkill, it is almost certain we have at least 2 scum remaining.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:57 pm

:shrug:

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:01 pm

In post 7744, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 7741, Jingle wrote:RC answered, Ari is scum.

Hider shows up as a Hider action.
VOTE: Aristophanes
Who did Ari claim to target again
And what was your result

Ari claimed to target Meme last night. I voyuered Meme last night. I received the information that Meme was targeted by a roleblocking action and a miscellaneous action. RC clarified to me that a Hider would show up as a Hide action. He specifically would not clarify what a PR roleblocking action would show up as, but I could easily see it as being a roleblocking action and a miscellaneous action.

Also, I implied heavily that I targeted Meme with a watcher shot prior to Ari's claim, so I 100% believe he is the roleblocker.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:01 pm

VOTE: Aristophanes

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:03 pm

In post 7737, Shoshin wrote:Is there any reason to believe scum have both roleblocker/redirector, or could it be a single player with both abilities?

This could be. Especially since the night Ari is claiming to have been roleblocked is the night Vec would've had to have been redirected to resolve our 1v1.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 4:25 pm

I kinda explicitly believe the reflexive messenger bit from NR's reaction though.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:00 pm

In post 7759, jjh927 wrote:So yeah, my theory right now is that Ari is indeed a hider but he actually carried out a factional nihilistic roleblock on meme men

Is this a coherent perspective as far as you are concerned, Jingle?

Yes.

Basically, I'm at the point where there's a loud roleblocker who is scum. Whether that's factional or not doesn't change much, but given the roleblocker targeted Meme and Ari claimed to have targeted Meme while I was softing Watcher hard, I think Ari is the one who performed the action last night.

If Vecna is town, there's some manner of Redirection/non loud roleblocking to account for.

It's also possible both are part of the same role, considering the night Vecna needs to have been manipulated, Ari claims to have been blocked.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:01 pm

In post 7762, Aristophanes wrote:1v1 me.

Kay.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 5:11 pm

You're asking me how you could claim to be blocked if you're a scum blocker? Really?

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:25 pm

In post 7775, Aristophanes wrote:Also, I've asked RC multiple questions without answer and yet they happened to get a response moments after he did a real VC?

I asked that question like 4 times over the last ten pages.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:37 pm

In post 7777, Shoshin wrote:Unless there's two scum left, Jingle's town.

Pretty sure there's two scum left.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:38 pm

I was.

Or rather, I was targeted by someone who had the role Gamma claims to have, and if it wasn't gamma himself we have bigger problems.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 6:40 pm

I'm pretty sure we also both agree that my flip solves a lot of questions for town.

Like, I don't know what to say. I like you, but I don't see a way you're not scum. I have laid all of my cards on the table.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:23 pm

Can’t shoot me, I’m top of the activity charts.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:41 pm

Organized night plans with a roleblock and possibly redirect in the hands of scum is bad.

Jingle · Fri Dec 14, 2018 7:48 pm

Because in hindsight it’s a bad plan.

I do occasionally have bad plans.

Jingle · Sat Dec 15, 2018 5:59 am

I have a post to make to sum up the situation with regards to me.

It’ll probably be half an hour or so.

Jingle · Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:12 am

Alright:

Spoiler: Roles and Role information, as dependent on Jingle

Spoiler: Jingle and Vecna

Spoiler: Jingle and Aristophanes

Spoiler: Aristophanes, Independent of Jingle

Spoiler: Night Actions, Independent of Jingle

Jingle · Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:16 am

In post 7801, Vecna wrote:Shoshin is scum as well.

Shoshin could be scum with literally anyone if there's a 3 person scumteam. That gets resolved at 7 person potential LYLO, no sooner.

Jingle · Sat Dec 15, 2018 7:17 am

In post 7803, Vecna wrote:Theres a confirmation of people getting pizza btw Jingle? Anyone can confirm that you indeed do have that role?

Mastina claimed to receive pizza D3, JJ D5. In order for me not to be a pizza vendor, JJ has to be scum.

Or rather, in order for a pizza vendor to not exist, JJ has to be scum.

Jingle · Sat Dec 15, 2018 6:15 pm

In post 7812, Lady Angel wrote:VOTE: Jingle

This should resolve the most 1v1s?

I am the superior information lynch, yes.

Ari is pretty much publically confscum by his own claim though.

Jingle · Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:56 pm

Eh... You should survive til they lynch Ari, given that Ari has the highest RB equity.

Jingle · Sat Dec 15, 2018 8:58 pm

Also, I was the first person to say I'm probably the best objective lynch for the day. I'd obviously prefer to lynch scum, but... :shrug:

I'm not gonna fight to save my life.

Jingle · Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:47 am

In post 7819, profii wrote:Right I just asked RC for any night actions that might have come my way as I hadn’t been told

The answer was not “no actions”

So I am going to try and sort through the claims and such to see if the actions have been claimed

Or you can come forward- let’s call it an honesty test

There’s a summary of action claims targeting you in my ISO.

Jingle · Sun Dec 16, 2018 6:50 am

In post 7827, profii wrote:Yeah that’s the PM I got

Nothing about beavis locking you in the bathroom ?

You guys probably don’t want to know what AC tried to turn that into.

Jingle · Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:10 pm

In post 7847, THE MEME MEN wrote:it's readable

Isn't that literally the point of spoiler tags? To keep things readable?

Jingle · Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:10 pm

In post 7869, Creature wrote:Hmm, how did we let mastina get away claiming D3 IC?

That was Vecna.

Jingle · Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:16 pm

In post 7856, THE MEME MEN wrote:I think jjh claimed he was nightkilled by scum and no one really had an alternative explanation for the missing nightkill that night

Alternate explanations are that Vecna JK'd mastina who made the kill or scum killed me for crumbing doc. The former makes more sense than JJ eating a kill, the latter is possibly even less likely than jj eating a kill.

Jingle · Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:20 pm

Honestly, JJ's theory that the rb is factional or related to LA's dream makes a ton of sense.

But I still think that lynching Ari is the most likely to net real scum here, and failing that lynching me clears up the most questions. Vecna also clears up questions, but his role is actually useful to town if true at this point, unlike either mine or Ari's.

Jingle · Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:27 pm

Meme can't be RB, I saw him get RB'd.

Nero bought a ticket to LYLO with the Wheme flip.

Jingle · Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:31 pm

I mean... Your role is maybe confirmed by Vec, I think, but you're not on my lynch plate regardless, FWIW.

Porkens/sheep is reflexive messenger apparently, but he could have more to it pretty easily.

Jingle · Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:43 pm

It's in the rules.

Unless specifically specified in their role they can't.

Jingle · Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:50 pm

Much as this is probably not something I should bring up while trying to lynch him, he's right. Consistency isn't his strong suit. I've tunneled on Ari for that before and it's NAI.

Jingle · Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:33 am

Vecna, the roleblock is confirmed to exist by me, ari, and meme men. For it not to exist, all three must be scum.

If Ari is hider, why did the roleblock affect him?

Jingle · Mon Dec 17, 2018 7:35 am

^Note 3 persona scumteam not including Shoshin and thus mechanically impossible.

Jingle · Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:21 am

Post 7963 sticks in my craw a bit.

First category:

1. For Jingle and Vecna to be town there has to be some kind of redirector. I have no evidence of its existence outside of the FB succeeded at his action while theoretically jailkept knowledge.
2. In both (2) cases the same premise applies. I legitimately didn't think of what a result from FB meant until recently. Either I'm scum and didn't realize faking a result was implicative or I'm town and didn't realize an actual result was implicative. Twisting this to suggest I'm more likely to be scum because of it is disingenuous at best.
3. Ari claimed to have been roleblocked N4. I claimed to have been roleblocked N3. In either case, for one of us to be scum, someone has to be lying (either about being targeted or about being a town roleblocker).
4. Again, nothing to do with me. Scum provably did not kill anyone on N4 when their 1-shot strongman was alive. My role has literally 0 bearing on that. Me giving a pizza to someone in no way influences any killing abilities they may have.

The only problem with my alignment that actually exists in that post is that if Vecna targeted FB, there shouldn't have been a tracker result. A redirector makes it possible Vecna and I are both town.

That's it. That's the only actual indicative point. He's bringing in a bunch of additional information to make it look complicated, but it really isn't. If there isn't a scum redirector, one of the two of us is scum. And I'd like to point out that FB gave absolutely no indications I can see, either in here or in the Neighborhood, that he was targeted by Vecna.

Jingle · Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:22 am

I'm becoming more and more sure that I just have a guilty on 2 remaining scum players and if there's a third it has to be Shoshin.

Jingle · Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:24 am

In post 7962, Gamma Emerald wrote:With 13 alive it's 8 to lynch.
Nani the fuck

14 votes, Meme is kinda two people.

Jingle · Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:35 pm

In post 7974, jjh927 wrote:Just because you're old doesn't mean you shouldn't keep up with new developments

Get off my lawn.

Jingle · Mon Dec 17, 2018 2:36 pm

In post 7976, Vecna wrote:Because I pointed you at the fact you could not have gotten a result, while you didnt even notice it.

Link?

Jingle · Mon Dec 17, 2018 8:08 pm

In post 7982, Aristophanes wrote:It would explain why I never got any pizza as well as the lack of hider result.

You having literally any night action explains the lack of pizza. You only get pizza if you stay home.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:38 am

In post 8017, Creature wrote:doesn't need to be mountainuous, just not overly confusing

I've got a couple games in the works that are supposed to cater to this. I'll let you know when they hit the queue if you want.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:41 am

In post 8000, Vecna wrote:but probably mislynching me first.

Lynch Ari over Vec. I'm way more confident on that.

Nero lives until 5P LYLO at least. Shoshin lives until 7P LYLO.

Back to not giving a fuck.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:43 am

I lied.

Gamma/Meme also town. Creat pretty damn town.

If that doesn't solve the game enough for this to be a townwin, we deserve the loss.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:51 am

Don't answer the latter.

Only scum can have a redirector. WIFOM is our friend there.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:52 am

Vecna claims he was told he was poisoned.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:54 am

8023 is @8021, btw.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 8:56 am

Oh yeah, remember to get NSG's claim at some point.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:06 am

I mean... I kinda just assumed that reflexive messenger was treated as a passive and thus not RB-able. Reflexive triggering reflexive isn't how I'd resolve it but it is reasonable.

The 1v1 is Vecna can't have blocked FB but claims to have. It's with me.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:39 am

In post 8033, THE MEME MEN wrote:so you're still waiting for this then...?

Nah, I was hoping Ari would claim to have gotten pizza at that point. I targeted ari last night. Also, the scumteam should know my role via NR, so...

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:48 am

In post 8032, THE MEME MEN wrote:but I'm really happy not lynching either one rn

I mean... We're lynching me or Ari.

He claims he is a normal hider who hid behind you. I claim that the mod confirmed to me that a normal hider did not hide behind you. I know FB's target was roleblocked, so I have no doubt that my action went through on you.

If he was redirected, why?

If you were busdriven, you wouldn't be roleblocked or I wouldn't see a roleblock. If he was roleblocked he would have gotten pizza.

Lynch me, lynch ari, idrc. But we're lynching one of the two.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 9:54 am

In post 8035, THE MEME MEN wrote:backing off that

I haven't really backed off of it. I'll self hammer if I get put in self hammer range. This day has dragged on long enough. I prefer lynching the scum, but just ending the day on either of us is acceptable. I think my results point to an Ari/Vec/possiblyShoshin team. I am less sure on Vec than Ari.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:06 am

Um...

Can I just point out that Ari claimed to have acted on whatever night that was?

And we should just lynch him?

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:09 am

In post 7314, Aristophanes wrote:Hid behind ??? N1, nobody N2 (I forgot to), Kuroi N3, Creature N4 (was blocked), and Meme N5.

Nvm, he claimed no actions until N3.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:13 am

In post 7996, THE MEME MEN wrote:Jingle is a he -rh

FWIW, this is true, but I could care less how anyone addresses me.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:15 am

In post 8050, THE MEME MEN wrote:
In post 8047, Nero Cain wrote:Why not Vecna and JJH?
actually I was gonna say I don't think JJH is scum protective, I think he's killing scum with day actions (i.e. no night action so that he can do the kill on certain nights if necessary). So he can be scum but not scum protective imo

-rh

There's already 2 flipped scum with day actions only. jj's prolly just town.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:23 am

They don't. Saying someone has additional scum equity because they only have day actions at this point is pretty meh though.

JJ is probably town because I doubt that the varsoon/jj/mastina/NR bit was ALL scum players.

TBF, I'm also convinced you're right on the protective=scum front. It's Ari. And possibly Vec. And possibly also Shoshin.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:26 am

Nico was a counterwagon to me and Varsoon the day Varsoon did his whole thang.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:27 am

And jj using his role then was about him proving he had it, not about getting any real use out of it.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:35 am

In post 4638, Jingle wrote:
Jingle
: (9)
Nero Cain
,
Creature
,
JJH
,
Jingle
, Lady Angel, Aristophanes,
Nico Robin
, Vecna,
Varsoon

Varsoon
: (8)
Northsidegal
,
Mastina
,
Creature
,
Skygazer
,
Chickadee
,
Jingle
,
Meme Men
,
Nico Robin

Nicorobin
: (8) Lady Angel,
Whemestar
,
JJH
,
Invisibility
,
Jingle
,
Varsoon
, Aristophanes, Vecna

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 10:36 am

In post 8058, Nero Cain wrote:What was the point in proving it again?

If he was lying we lynched him? Like, there is no protown use of his role, but at least we know for sure it exists now.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:00 am

In post 8061, Nero Cain wrote:What if there's no pr-town use of his role b/c he's scum?

I mean... 0 utility roles are a thing. Like Chick's. I'm not saying his role makes him town. I'm saying that him having his claimed role means that he isn't necessarily scum. He's one of the very few players that are best sorted by play.

JJ can't be scum if both Ari and Vec are. For Vec to be town, there has to be a scum redirection role. For Ari to be town... Well. JJ probably isn't a scum redirection role because he has a complicated day role. Additionally, he has complicated interactions with 3 of the 4 flipped scum. I'm fairly confident he's town for now.

In post 8062, Nero Cain wrote:it was also pretty clear that I shot Wheme. Like I had specifically told meme not to target Wheme. What if trying to lynch a guy with bullets seems like it would make sense from scum.

I think you're pretty much conftown. There's a very, very small chance you're 3rd party, but that means Shoshin is necessarily scum, and I don't think she is. Someone disagreeing doesn't necessarily mean they're scum.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:02 am

I think he's l-1, but I also support hammering.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:03 am

Like... I literally see no reason to continue this day phase.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:03 am

shorthand for majority I presume.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:09 am

Babysitter is a doctor, but if they die their target also dies.

This babysitter sends a message that the target was babysat.

Basically, you have to choose between being a doc or a vig depending on whether you think you're likely to be shot.

I explicitly believe the claim, not only because I know there to be a babysitter, but because the night he targeted me is the night I promised FB I'd shoot him if FB gave me a gun.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:11 am

We're not leashing either nero or GE while there's a high potential for a redirection role. Both should act/not act as they see fit. Giving scum a potential 3 kills tonight is terribad.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:13 am

In post 8078, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 8075, Jingle wrote:is the night I promised FB I'd shoot him if FB gave me a gun.
that was Wheme though?

I promised FB I'd shoot NR if FB wouldn't vote mastina for the rest of the day and he agreed if I switched to GE. Trying to take me down with him makes perfect sense.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:16 am

In post 8080, Nero Cain wrote:Shoshin has been pretty ass with her role and it makes her role a little unbelievable to me.

She played bg basically the same way in Labyrinth Mafia, the game RC referenced when she replaced in. It's what brought up my argument that a bg should always try to target someone at night when she claimed.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:18 am

Cause me and Vecna are also in a 1v1 of sorts, although both of us are lowkey worried there's a redirector playing with that situation because Vecna was like the perfect redirection target.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:20 am

In post 8077, northsidegal wrote:i think you should give shoshin a little more credit than that

Eh. She's more verbose and readable, but her self assuredness is very Wisdom-y.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:23 am

In post 8083, Nero Cain wrote:oh shit, what if this was if this is a jingle+Vecna and maybe Shoshin?

Then... All of the obvtown I've called obvtown are still obvtown and you win by lynching Ari, then lynching me, then lynching Shoshin at 7p LYLO.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:29 am

In post 8092, Jingle wrote:Then... All of the obvtown I've called obvtown are still obvtown and you win by lynching Ari, then lynching me, then lynching Shoshin at 7p LYLO.

I guess you'd be able to lynch Shoshin at 5p LYLO, cause an additional scum would have flipped in this scenario.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:30 am

In post 8096, Creature wrote:I think we have a good PoE and long days are annoying me.

Literally the only good argument for keeping the thread open I've seen is Vec's. And that is that RC said he won't open tomorrow till after Christmas.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 11:34 am

In post 8094, Nero Cain wrote:scum can and will vote their buddies when they know their buddies won't get lynched.

ngl, a vecna jingle scumteam almost certainly plays this day out exactly like we just did to buy all the towncred for the survivor. It would be pretty much our only hope against the growing PoE.

On the other hand, a Vecna Jingle scumteam plays none of the previous days the way we did.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:29 pm

In post 8108, Vecna wrote:Well, it seems im not really swaying anyone, so time to find out if Jingle is just playing us all really well.

Nope. Still town. Still DGAF.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 12:31 pm

:shrug:

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:14 pm

In post 8118, Creature wrote:Would you rather wait until 2019 for the thread to open again?

I mean...

Yes?

At least then I stop checking this thread when I should be being productive.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:25 pm

Do eeeeet.

Jingle · Tue Dec 18, 2018 1:25 pm

You know you want to.