Excalibur [Endgame]

[Dunnstral]

I know I'm not good at reading you - that doesn't matter

Either we lynch you now, or we think you're so town that we never consider you again.

Nolynching here and then coming back to lynch you later is super bad for town, and it's a trap we need to avoid. You're not towny enough to not be considered later in the game, and Maria isn't a lynch option

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the thing that bothers me the most is how does dunn know for sure that maria doesn't just auto gladiate them and they are in a quagmire?
like what?

Mfw you bring up the point I did for day 1 but they all said I was paranoid.

Why does this bother you guys?

A) I know MariaR
B) NoLynch is an option and is acceptable in that situation. WORST case scenario: we'd just power lynch through the sword and get somebody else to claim it - that's not at all ideal in my mind, and is in fact worse than nolynching

For UT:

A) He was never bothered to the point where he was considering gladiating me, indeed I'm not sure he even gave a read on me at all
B) I'm not so afraid of being gladiated that I'm not going to push people

Further, it bothers you guys in what way? I don't get it. If the implication is that I'm scum, then wouldn't I have that same worry about Maria/UT gladiating me making the point moot/nai...?

Like, I don't get what the implication is I guess

[Dunnstral]

Do you guys all think we should nolynch today, and treat fire as town?

[Dunnstral]

I'm just wondering if I should shoot or not atm. I lean yes

I'm wondering what your read on Fire is since you've had luck in reading him

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Oh NVM. Claimed Merlin cos he was gonna be the lunch candidate.

I hardclaim Merlin. Anyone who doesnt retract after this post. needs to be shot @person with the sword.

Arthur has the sword btw.

Yeah ok, I retract

[Dunnstral]

If we lynch Maria the sword can be claimed tonight, so if we accept that Fire is a mislynch, and Maria is not Arthur and plans to suicide anyway, then the mechnically superior option is to lynch her and let someone else claim the sword tonight. If town refuses to no lynch, and Fire is town, we should lynch Maria. Otherwise all we're doing is wasting a cycle with the sword.

Maria doesn't have the sword, get with the program

[Dunnstral]

Also advocating to lynch the person with the sword is not a good plan

[Dunnstral]

I feel like I kind of forced her into continuing the fake claim when I claimed she had the sword

[Dunnstral]

I feel like I kind of forced her into continuing the fake claim when I claimed she had the sword

Would you prefer to be lynched before or after Kokichi?

I dare you to gladiate either of us and see what happens

[Dunnstral]

vs. Maria who suddenly everyone wants to fakeclaim to protect?

Yeah no

People were claiming she had the sword because she said she had the sword and they were trying to protect against the really bad plan of "merlin claims day 2"

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I was voting no lynch but no one wants the ACTUALLY safer option so I’m taking to damage control option

Damage control is lynching Maria

Lynch Fire + Maria suicides = 2 dead town, sword unusable another day

Lynch maria = 1 dead town, sword claimed tonight, we get another inno tomorrow and can actually confirm the merlin claim

Once again, Maria doesn't have the sword

Is she fake claiming or does she have the sword, actually? You're arguing both points

[Dunnstral]

DVa you just said people were fake claiming to protect her

[Dunnstral]

DVa you just said people were fake claiming to protect her

Which is objectively true

So people were fake claiming to protect her, but she also has the sword and is confirmed town, from your point of view

What are you even arguing, you brought up the fake claim thing like it was a reason to lynch her

[Dunnstral]

Because Merlin says so.

Now vote fire

Bullshit.
I am Merlin. Firebringer is Arthur.
Lynch MariaR.

VOTE:MariaR

Vote:Unvote

Yeah I am not Merlin.
I think Dunnstral is the real Merlin.
This means that Arthur and Merlin will die while MariaR will be kept for us as Bulletproof IC - that should be good enough.
I think we should probably lynch Firebringer now, because a NoLynch just reduces the number of mislynches avaliable by one in this situation. Am I wrong?

This is probably what he's talking about

[Dunnstral]

We're either lynching fire or no lynching

[Dunnstral]

UT hasn't defended you from lynch at all fire so I'm inclined to believe his claim is fake.

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I want to see a not known 15 gladiate tomorrow

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Nancy is really towny...

[Dunnstral]

As a fake Merlin I can confirm that Maria is not Arthur

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: NoLynch

Why?

Can you answer the following:

Vote:Unvote

Yeah I am not Merlin.
I think Dunnstral is the real Merlin.
This means that Arthur and Merlin will die while MariaR will be kept for us as Bulletproof IC - that should be good enough.
I think we should probably lynch Firebringer now, because a NoLynch just reduces the number of mislynches avaliable by one in this situation. Am I wrong?

How much of the game have you read? Because it kind of looks like you're getting info from scum chat right now with the way you jumped straight into the game and fake claimed merlin then talked about the sword and bulletproof ic

Because Merlin says so.

Now vote fire

Bullshit.
I am Merlin. Firebringer is Arthur.
Lynch MariaR.

VOTE:MariaR

Vote:Unvote

Yeah I am not Merlin.
I think Dunnstral is the real Merlin.
This means that Arthur and Merlin will die while MariaR will be kept for us as Bulletproof IC - that should be good enough.
I think we should probably lynch Firebringer now, because a NoLynch just reduces the number of mislynches avaliable by one in this situation. Am I wrong?

As I said earlier these are some weird posts for somebody just replacing in to be making

[Dunnstral]

My running theory is dunnstral is town has the sword and is hard defending maria because he truly misguided believes she is town.

And usually i would ask dunny to come out and completely tell me the truth regarding this, but I can't rely on what he says.

This is very frustrating.

Also I was serious earlier when I said people don't listen to my MariaR read - She literally has the sword and is mod confirmed and people are theorizing situations where I'm biased and wrong on my read on her - then they have the audacity to say that their own read on her would be better than mine in that situation

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i have a hard time believing u follow anyones orders.

I can be a team player sometimes.

Me shooting you doesnt correlate to it being a read. I'm just following orders on that one so I dont fuck over town.

You can’t think for yourself? Well who’s the brulliant scumhunting god, giving you “orders” because they will be the

laughingstock

WOAT of this game.

Auther n2 aka Kokichi. He can change his mind and tell me to shoot elsawhere if he's changed anything. But you want to leave anyway, so I'll probably still shoot you anyway.

And Nancy isn't scum

[Dunnstral]

My running theory is dunnstral is town has the sword and is hard defending maria because he truly misguided believes she is town.

And usually i would ask dunny to come out and completely tell me the truth regarding this, but I can't rely on what he says.

This is very frustrating.

Also I was serious earlier when I said people don't listen to my MariaR read - She literally has the sword and is mod confirmed and people are theorizing situations where I'm biased and wrong on my read on her - then they have the audacity to say that their own read on her would be better than mine in that situation

Fuck you dude.
Literally fuck you.

I'm not fake claiming holding the sword dude

Maria has it

[Dunnstral]

Rather I'm not secretly holding the sword

[Dunnstral]

If you actually have the sword I don't see why you wouldn't be targeting Maria?

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I'm not fake claiming holding the sword dude

Maria has it

No I am not believing a claim or anything you say regards to swords/arthur/merlin anything like that, but my point about "fuck you" was I believed you on maria being scum, and then you backtracked and put a knife in me and now you fucking say "No one believes my read on Maria". Like seriously.

Go fuck yourself.

Would you feel better if I said I did believe Maria was scum until she claimed the sword, and the reason I thought she was scum was because she made up excuses for not going for the sword then didn't say she went for it anyway?

[Dunnstral]

You think Maria's lying about having the sword?

yes

Do you think Merlin hasn't claimed yet?
If one of the Merlin claims so far is true, which one can it be?

Also this kind of Merlin fishing right now doesn't seem beneficial to the town, at the least

[Dunnstral]

[Dunnstral]

nk15 needs to die
UT needs to die
1 of auro/dva need to die and we'll revisit after that imo

Yes

[Dunnstral]

Maria is going to be V/la until the 14th, I don't think she planned on surviving

We should get Not Known 15 today

[Dunnstral]

Why nk15

I went over this - not only are they a hard lurk slot, they came into the game with way too much information then never explained why, then came in and voted no lynch

[Dunnstral]

Because I'm shooting Dva tonight.

[Dunnstral]

Why nk15

I went over this - not only are they a hard lurk slot, they came into the game with way too much information then never explained why, then came in and voted no lynch

What about Penguin? I still think Ariane could be scum and Penguin has done nothing to change my mind on that.

Sure, he can die too for lurking this far in, though I still think nk15 coming in with unnatural gamestate info is scum indicative

[Dunnstral]

Contributing 9 posts over a span of 1000 posts is lurking, sorry dude

[Dunnstral]

more like 1500 posts, even

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Can you gladiate not known 15 today?

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Maria is going to be V/la until the 14th, I don't think she planned on surviving

We should get Not Known 15 today

Why nk15

Why nk15

I went over this - not only are they a hard lurk slot, they came into the game with way too much information then never explained why, then came in and voted no lynch

Can you gladiate not known 15 today?

Why?

Read the thread please

[Dunnstral]

Because Merlin says so.

Now vote fire

Bullshit.
I am Merlin. Firebringer is Arthur.
Lynch MariaR.

VOTE:MariaR

Vote:Unvote

Yeah I am not Merlin.
I think Dunnstral is the real Merlin.
This means that Arthur and Merlin will die while MariaR will be kept for us as Bulletproof IC - that should be good enough.
I think we should probably lynch Firebringer now, because a NoLynch just reduces the number of mislynches avaliable by one in this situation. Am I wrong?

These posts show a weird understanding of the game for someone having just replaced in, it looks like they got their info from the scum pt

VOTE: NoLynch

Contentless no lynch post without addressing other people's concerns about his knowledge or anything else at all

Plus we're on day 3 and the slot has a combined total of 6 posts

[Dunnstral]

I don't understand what there is to wait about

MariaR is Arthur - does her shot matter for who we gladiate today?

She was in agreement with NK15 dying today

[Dunnstral]

nk15 needs to die
UT needs to die
1 of auro/dva need to die and we'll revisit after that imo

Here are her reads

[Dunnstral]

early gladiates today are bad.

Why are they bad Chara?

[Dunnstral]

I'm guessing he means me

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Except I'm not sure what he's getting at since I also retracted my claim due to Kokichi yesterday

Not sure why I'm being called an idiot here, either

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Oh NVM. Claimed Merlin cos he was gonna be the lunch candidate.

I hardclaim Merlin. Anyone who doesnt retract after this post. needs to be shot @person with the sword.

Arthur has the sword btw.

Yeah ok, I retract

[Dunnstral]

Penguin still scummy af
God I wish I had a dayvig rn

If only there were some way to get people killed, beyond standard lynching mechanics

[Dunnstral]

MariaR isn't the type of person to townlead - she'd rather watch other people gladiate on their own and then shoot her scumread at night.

So if you're waiting for her to come back and pick the gladiates then you'll be sorely disappointed

[Dunnstral]

Chara looks scummy to but I'd rather leave that as a potential vig shot for MariaR depending on her read there

Also viridiancleric looked good while he was here

[Dunnstral]

I'm going to pull an Elsa and gladiate someone in (expired on 2018-12-15 01:32:19) , it's probably going to be one of Penguinpower/Not known 15, MaraiR will be back by then.
These two players are free to enter gladiates each other (or their nonexistant scumreads) before the deadline

[Dunnstral]

Challenge:Sir Cakez

They are the most likely to be scum in my opinion. They talk alot of setup on purpose early(despite knowing it would alienate people), opportunistically jump on Nancy Drew while refusing to read meta, and the going for LLD also opportunistically with an easy reasoning :

VOTE: lld
No town player would have gladiated Maria of all people there despite spending pages going on about scum Elsa before

... while we know that this "no town player" is obviously false...

You need to explain how you came into this game and started posting game relevant content immediately

Honestly feels like NK15 is a scum fall-guy and gladiated early to try to snip town from discussing/figuring out more because outside of NK15 we're going in the wrong direction.

UNVOTE:
Yeah, we should take the time to discuss and engage, and just lynch him towards the end.

We weren't discussing/engaging before the guy gladiated, there was nothing for him to be cutting off

Makes sense to me, yeah.
I don't know why anyone would try to push for gladiate stuff to happen when we're all not here.

I told you she'd be back by the time I gladiated and she will be

I set a timer and everything

Ah, I thought he was saying he'd gladiate like right when Maria 'should be around' but it was basically just 2 days out and not assured.
Didn't he post a countdown or was that NK15?

What does MariaR have to say that we need to wait for her exactly?
She made her reads clear already

It should've been a soft deadline, like "When Maria gets back and we come to a consensus"

I don't do soft deadlines because then nobody cares about the deadline and the game continues being inactive

[Dunnstral]

Maria is going to be V/la until the 14th, I don't think she planned on surviving

We should get Not Known 15 today

[Dunnstral]

Yeah so. It doesn't seem to go well for me so I think I better reveal that I am - despite my retractions - the real Merlin... which unfortunately means that I have to reveal the real Arthur this time (which prevents them from getting attacked:() - and then hopefully lynch that scum I challenged.
The real Arthur with the real sword is Auro.

Auro is this true or no

[Dunnstral]

Varsoon trying to tie me to nk15 is noted

I've been pushing that slot since it replaced in, acting like I'm 'posturing' now for setting a deadline to gladiate one of them/penguinpower is disingenuous

[Dunnstral]

Why did you even gladiate when you did nk15

Actually Merlin doesn't gladiate there, no way

[Dunnstral]

What's MariaR's read accuracy on Dunnstral?

Why did you ask this by the way

[Dunnstral]

MariaR isn't the type of person to townlead - she'd rather watch other people gladiate on their own and then shoot her scumread at night.

So if you're waiting for her to come back and pick the gladiates then you'll be sorely disappointed

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Not Known 15

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

Yeah, knowing that penguinpower wasn't actually against penguin gifs but that it's just his thing is making me rethink my vote on NK15 too

[Dunnstral]

It's not lylo if Arthur doesn't shoot fyi

[Dunnstral]

And considering that this game will never go below 5 people from the mechanics, arthur not shooting is probably the best strat here as it puts us at 7 alive -> 5 alive instead of 6 alive -> game over

[Dunnstral]

I thought early gladiates were bad for you?

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Also being called an inactive poster by chara, feels bad

[Dunnstral]

I thought early gladiates were bad for you?

My reads aren't changing much unless people have something groundbreaking so *shrug*

I was talking to Chara because that's what they said the previous game day

[Dunnstral]

We only need to lynch 2 more scum

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Finally, if there is only one Fallen Knight remaining, then he/she will surrender and the game will end in Town Victory.

[Dunnstral]

i hard townread Dunn because i trust Maria's read.

@Maria

What do you think of Chara for this

[Dunnstral]

Uh hi

[Dunnstral]

Chara, PenguinPower, Nancy Drew 39, Varsoon, Gamma Emerald

I think Nancy is town

I think Penguin is scum

Meaning two of Varsoon, Gamma, Chara would be scum

Not sure what you mean when you say scum would think I'd have a vest since that's not part of the setup

These are my reads ATM

[Dunnstral]

Why would scum shoot gamma?

[Dunnstral]

i'm throwing out my reads on those 4 and trying again.

And why are you resetting your reads?

[Dunnstral]

i'm throwing out my reads on those 4 and trying again.

And why are you resetting your reads?

because based on my townreads on Varsoon and Nancy, UT had to be scum. he's town so i was wrong somewhere and i need to try and work on that with fresh eyes as much as i can.

Doesn't this imply that you scumread Gamma and Penguin?

We need to lynch 2 out of 3 scum

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If I had my way right now:
Smart/LLD would be dueling
winner goes for the sword along with Dva or UT.

Does this mean you're scumreading me Maria?

I could see you flipping scum yes but I would rather see you go for the sword then dual.

I find it interesting you want me to duel day 1. I think that seems strictly suboptimal, don't you?

I think you're going to be pushed regardless if you're scum or not. If you win the dual you go for the sword. If you flip people lose the excuse of pushing you.

And this was really weird coming from you - she's going to be pushed so might as well lynch her anyway? What? There's NO WAY you're actually thinking like this... Like I know there's not

Ok, so for starters here's someone who knows Maria very well saying that her behaviour doesn't match her norm, and it doesn't. Maria has been doing this weird "I want LLD to have the sword" and "I will vote LLD to die" thing and this is the culmination of it.

Yeah but I also said she was town before this and I agreed with what she was saying

I'm not scumreading her right now

Note this, I definitely wasn't agreeing with LLD's interpretation of what I was saying

[Dunnstral]

Chara, PenguinPower, Nancy Drew 39, Varsoon, Gamma Emerald

I think Nancy is town

I think Penguin is scum

Meaning two of Varsoon, Gamma, Chara would be scum

Not sure what you mean when you say scum would think I'd have a vest since that's not part of the setup

These are my reads ATM

[Dunnstral]

See I was thinking Gamma was the scummiest of the 3 and was thinking we'd lynch/shoot both of penguin and gamma - I haven't seen either of the overkill games

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I feel like Gamma hasn't really made much of an impact recently - like it doesn't seem like he really cares who scum is moreso he's trying to coast through for the past 2 weeks and nobodies calling him out on it

I haven't seen either of the overkill games

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Gamma is saying he's not scum because he thought Maria was Arthur and Kokichi was Merlin, and that he wouldn't let his scum partners choose the kill, Chara is saying that doesn't matter if someone can argue that Gamma is lying about thinking Maria was Arthur and Kokichi was Merlin

[Dunnstral]

And I didn't make LLD gladiate Maria day 1, I didn't even scumread Maria day 1

[Dunnstral]

(Oh Auro was scummy and we were the others reacting to it because scum prob looks at varsoons post and doesn't try to look at it in depth like town due and just mark it off as towny ironically now that I say this it's more likely varsoon is town because scum spewed him town)

I actually weakly think UT is town.

why?

Because he agreed with 216 and auro worships that post

Pro tip this is why Auro is prob town because his play make sense with his emotions and overall tone of the thread. It's very hard to fake what Auro is doing as scum rn. His naive aura is the same thing Nancy does and make it easy too...well I won't say cause she gets triggered. Classic trick learned at the academy

If you look at my posting you'll see I had the same thoughts with scumreading UT and Auro and then retracting the scumread on Auro

Putting the naive aura thing into words makes me feel better there

You seem towny this game -

are you mafia?

I think you're town right now because I was having the same thoughts

I made it clear I was townreading her so no it isn't what it looked like

[Dunnstral]

lld chose to take something out of context and use it for her argument for maria being scum even thoug I said I thought she was town, all without giving any indication she was going to do that... don't put that on me

[Dunnstral]

I dispute that I led people to gladiate MariaR on day 1... LLD doing whatever is her own problem

[Dunnstral]

If you're not saying that I led her to do that then I don't understand why you're bringing up LLD in the first place

[Dunnstral]

If you're not saying that I led her to do that then I don't understand why you're bringing up LLD in the first place

I’m saying, she made it a point of referencing your comment, when making her decision to gladiate Maria.

Why does that matter though

[Dunnstral]

My reads:

Nancy
Chara
Varsoon

-- Lynch Line --

Gamma
Penguin

[Dunnstral]

I'll vote penguin

[Dunnstral]

Who would you prefer to vote for?

[Dunnstral]

3 days

[Dunnstral]

Gamma and penguin

[Dunnstral]

Though I don't think it matters since I'm guessing penguin is getting lynched today anyway

[Dunnstral]

You, I know what Chara wants already

[Dunnstral]

what

[Dunnstral]

Are you not scumreading penguin

[Dunnstral]

All groups with Private Topics (PTs) will be able to converse during the Night Phase.

Good catch, it doesn't look like they have day talk

[Dunnstral]

I want to hear more from Gamma

What is his scum team?

[Dunnstral]

Both of you but I was referring to you

[Dunnstral]

Me knowing Maria's time of return was suspicious how? Like actually how

[Dunnstral]

Kokichi can you shoot penguin tonight after a scum flip?

[Dunnstral]

How? Who is his buddy then? Dunn? Because unless you think Varsoon, Dunn and Penguin are a team, how does he win here?

that's exactly what i was saying i thought.

Minus points for sticking me in a scumteam based on what someone else did

[Dunnstral]

Going to follow along and

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

[Dunnstral]

ugh. i'm sorry. should i have fought longer? maybe actually voting Varsoon would have helped. i dropped the ball so many times here. gladiate Penguin, gladiate Varsoon when i said i would. i'm so damn wishy washy.

Chara we did have day talk and we had just coordinated the hammer anyway

Scum pt can be released

[Dunnstral]

ugh. i'm sorry. should i have fought longer? maybe actually voting Varsoon would have helped. i dropped the ball so many times here. gladiate Penguin, gladiate Varsoon when i said i would. i'm so damn wishy washy.

Chara we did have day talk and we had just coordinated the hammer anyway

Scum pt can be released

even without you and Penguin ready to drop the hammer, Nancy wouldn't have even been able to vote Gamma if i'd gladiated Varsoon when i thought about doing so. or Penguin.
at least choosing to vote Gamma when i did didn't affect the outcome, but i still fucked up.

Yeah, I would have voted Varsoon over you, since you were my strongest townread after Kokichi at that point. So, lesson learned, Maria can’t be trusted to read Dunn correctly.

I'd like to point out that MariaR never actually called me town - she just never called me scum, which people jumped on all the same as if it were a hard townread and I was cleared.

In reality, her read on me was probably one where she was still trying to figure me out, me being somewhere around null for her