Starcraft Mafia -- Game Over!
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Show this progression.In post 3240, Keyser Söze wrote:I thought the posts he was being t/read for were NAI: the tin foil translated to ‘smug scum’. With the hard defences for him he ended D1 as a slot I wanted more info on.
VOTE: Keyser
I don't doubt your role.
However, you're incorrectly using mod meta to justify it when the mod might specifically go against meta in this situation.
Furthermore, I'm really to believe the following:
1. A player that has had a fairly scummy game so far just so happens to
2. Be a gunsmith role in a game where town has a PGO and Vig already
3. Where the mod has run this sort of setup as all-town before
4. Where players who are familiar with that game are playing here in this one
5. And you just so happened to check Creature, the only player who you could have checked out of 16 possible choices
6. Creature, who's flip makes it such that your claim has no actual validity to it
7. Creature, who your rationale for checking is this shaky
I don't buy it.-
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No, SCVs are the worker units for the Terran.In post 3264, AlmostNancy wrote:
Isn’t SCV a bad thing in Starcraft?In post 3229, Performer wrote:In post 2713, Performer wrote:I am 1-shot Bp, flavor of Bunkered SCV.
You wouldn't put SCVs in a Bunker--usually that's where you put your marines so that they can hold a choke point more readily. It's like a defensive tower that has to be destroyed before the units inside can be hurt, but anyone inside can attack those outside.
SCVs don't attack, though, and literally only serve two purposes:
Mining and building.-
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Then don't beat around the bush.In post 3320, Mewtaph wrote:If I claim then someone else can confirm my claim but that will probably force them to imply the nature of their full role. So that's why I omitted my role.
I am currently aware that one player is straight up lying about their claimed role.
Your information will NOT flip with you.
Furthermore, I thought I could win that way in TAZ mafia when I had a guilty on NorthsideGal.
I made a hard soft at it but pushed someone else
That someone else was scum and shot me during the day because the mod recklessly put a scum dayvig in the setup.
Then the scum that I had a guilty on, which should have been obvious from my flip and final post, got away all game.
The day before lylo, town FOUND my guilty, and then proceeded to NO LYNCH despite having 100% caught scum.
Because town no lynched instead of lynching scum, they were smoked the next day when frustrated town voted for another town.
Several players in this game were in that game.
They can all attest to this:
Do not beat around the bush.
If you have information that 100% condemns someone as mafia, hard claim it.
Otherwise, the other townies will make some real trash plays and flush the victory you worked for down the drain.-
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That's how I also am fairly sure none of last night's kills were by Zerg.
I posited even/odd factional kills as a possibility, wondering if some absolute chump would try to take credit with a doc or BP-who-used-a-vest fakeclaim, but with our doc dead, the only person who really somewhat adheres to this is Performer.-
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Yeah.In post 3423, AlmostNancy wrote:@Nauci, @Varsoon
Is there any difference between a zerg and an infested terran?
Infested Terran are like this:
They're still human, but obviously 'changed' and controlled.
Regular Zerg are more like monsters outright and don't even talk:
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I couldn't tell you everyone that's in this game.In post 3501, Shoshin wrote:Varsoon, now that you're around, can you update me on your reads? Where are you on the game relative to me?
Right now there being the 3 big wagons with ALL PLAYERS divided between them is really throwing me for a loop.
I don't know that my reads have changed all that much. I townread you, Xtoxm, and Mitilos.
I've still got to reassess due to multiball. I hadn't really considered it all that much because I was like "Oh Zerg are the main villains, makes sense, that's scum flavor" but with ONLY bullet kills I think that it's definitely gotta be some even/odd terran/protoss/evil terran/zerg divisions.
Hm. I only played the first game, but that might apply to Kerrigan?In post 3505, AlmostNancy wrote:
Yes, and after reading up some more on Starcraft, I think you’re probably right.In post 3496, Varsoon wrote:@AlmostNancy: I think it's possible that an infested terran did a kill on N1, given we have two deaths.
I dunno what the factional makeup is like, though.
I'd bet dollars to donuts that whoever killed the PGO was some kind of BP SK though.
I’m not willing to give up the possible scumdoc theory just yet though. Once Performer flips, I think we’ll likely know that.
Anyway, my role PM says something along the lines of, there is a character in the game, who isn’t the original ____ or words to that effect.
She starts off as a strong good-guy Terran but gets captured by the Zerg and made into such a powerful psychic infested Terran that she takes control of her own portion of the Zerg after the Overmind is killed.-
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A lot of their posts today made sense to me. I guess that's about the extent of it. Doesn't strike me as scum being duplicitous, but town playing from the cuff.In post 3519, Shoshin wrote:Varsoon, why are you townreading Xtom?
Mitilos has been pretty thorough it explaining their thoughts each time they enter thread. They've been less present today, but I still recall liking what they've posted today. Compare that to Mewtaph, who's paragraphs always feel so forced to me--Mitilos' writing doesn't feel as artificial or construct as most scum long-posters tend to.In post 3520, Shoshin wrote:And why are you townreading Mitillos?
Not great rationale for either, I'll admit, but I wouldn't wanna consider them for lynch today at least.-
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I'm more suspect of Nauci and AlmostNancy, who are more kinda caught up with flavor-spec and pondering about and haven't been that much of a force today while just kinda letting these main wagons happen.
If we get a townflip from whoever they've settled on, I'd be more critical of them.
Speaking of people not really leaving an impression on me, Irrelephant came to mind and I literally had to check the OP to realize he was one of the dead players.
Sorry for kinda phoning this one in.
P-EDIT: See, they're posting A LOT but I don't think they've come to fruitful conclusions.
Actually willing to go against the grain on this.
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Remember TAZ.
Think of that situation on D2.
Do you think I should have been straightforward or do you think I handled things was right?-
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No, but they do have illusory sort-of-spells and things like that, though it's more like things that make them invisible.In post 3534, Nauci wrote:In post 3518, Varsoon wrote:but with ONLY bullet kills I think that it's definitely gotta be some even/odd terran/protoss/evil terran/zerg divisions.
Would protoss have bullets?
They use gauss and beam weaponry.-
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I think I've kinda dug myself into being screwed here if I keep being furtive about this.In post 3539, Shoshin wrote:I think you should have just been straightforward, Varsoon. But that's easier to say in hindsight. I understand why you played the way you did.
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I am informed there is another player in the game with the same flavor name as me.
I am also informed that they are a member of the Zerg faction.
Each night, I learn the targets of the Zerg night kills.
At Night 4, I will learn all of the targets for Zerg night actions taken on Night 3.
I am also informed that they KNOW my role exists and what I am aware of, but not who I am.
I am Duran.
I think that AlmostNancy's play has specifically been trying to get me to tilt the other knowledge I have.
I highly suspected I would die tonight and was trying to make implications about AlmostNancy so that you'd be able to follow the crumbs back there.
I didn't want to claim this because now Zerg HAVE TO KILL ME and our Medic is dead, too.
I also believe Zerg work on an Even-Night Kill because Zerg did not kill on Night 1.-
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AlmostNancy's likely avoided claiming their flavor because it'd scum-confirm them to me and they couldn't wriggle away with a fake-claim of flavor after I claimed against them.
Here's the problem though, now that I've outted this.
Do you think the mod would intentionally design a SECOND role that's information is of a 'not-the-real-character' flavor?
Just to fuck with us?-
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The other reason I'm claiming all this now is that I'm fairly sure I tilted too much anyway and was gonna catch a kill and, as the mod re-iterated, Informed players don't flip their information.
P-EDIT: I commented on that earlier, that could make sense. If that's the case, then Xtoxm and AlmostNancy as partners might make sense--didn't AlmostNancy defend there a bit? Regardless, we should flip AlmostNancy first.-
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@AlmostNancy: My flavor is identical to a scum player who is not actually my character but an imposter. You claimed pretty much the same thing. It feels like bait to try to get me to tilt too much info because if you are that scum player, you know the longer my role stays in game, the more info town gets.
If you're town, I'm sorry.-
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In post 3198, AlmostNancy wrote:P.edit because the REAL _____ will claim first and scum won’t be able to beat them to it.
You literally said you know someone isn't 'the original' [FLAVORNAME].In post 3505, AlmostNancy wrote:
Yes, and after reading up some more on Starcraft, I think you’re probably right.In post 3496, Varsoon wrote:@AlmostNancy: I think it's possible that an infested terran did a kill on N1, given we have two deaths.
I dunno what the factional makeup is like, though.
I'd bet dollars to donuts that whoever killed the PGO was some kind of BP SK though.
I’m not willing to give up the possible scumdoc theory just yet though. Once Performer flips, I think we’ll likely know that.
Anyway, my role PM says something along the lines of, there is a character in the game, who isn’t the original ____ or words to that effect.
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I literally did say it was possible and a gamble earlier.In post 3572, Xtoxm wrote:you don't think its possible that 2 townies received similar things? the whole scum team could be imposters. for this to be a guilty you would need to claim the same person.
You can see my hesitance about the mod designing a setup this way because of how much it fucks town for claiming.
Like I said, considering the nature of AlmostNancy's claim, the timing of it (D2 when my good info starts rolling in N2/3/4) and the way AlmostNancy has interacted with me in regards to flavor, I think I'm on the right path.
If I'm not, fuck me, we lose, whatever.
At least I did what I believed in.-
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I don't remember/know much about the character.
Why's this make Krazy an SoB?-
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Because it'd out that I'm Duran to the Zerg Duran who wants to kill me.In post 3601, AlmostNancy wrote:It isn’t Duran.
Why did you do that Varsoon? Why?
Why didn’t you ask me if the name I’d been given. had a D in it or something?
Then I could have put your mind at ease and you wouldn’t have claimed.-
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@Skitter: Yeah, you're pretty much right in all your conclusions you asked me about.
@Mitilos: I learn if Zerg took a killing action, regardless of if it is a success or not.
If you're town, then we lose, and it's thanks to the mod designing a setup that's got this much hard swing and screw for town claiming.In post 3662, AlmostNancy wrote:@Varsoon, I’m really sorry I lost it on you earlier. I think I was more in shock then anything else. And I did what I did, because of your post. I just don’t know how we win this now. :/
It's also thanks to my particular combination of trash history with roles like this one.-
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Right then.
So what do you propose, Xtoxm?
Do we settle on one of Performer, Mewtaph, or Keyser?
Or do we go all in on the gamble that AlmostNancy is the role my role warns us about?
Or do we do something altogether different?
We have 2 days. We are headed into a holiday weekend. Let's figure this out now.-
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Okay, then.
I also think that Nancy's reaction struck me as town, though it really bothers me that I went all-in.
Here's the big issue I have.
If Performer isn't lying about being bulletproof, scum REALLY want his lynch.
But he could also very very easily be bulletproof and belong to one of the non-Terran factions.
So I am conflicted there.
Why go for Performer over anyone else?-
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If he's lying about the IC thing, lynch him no matter what he claims. No matter what.
If he is scum, then the info he gets is more valuable than his life--especially considering his claim bought him out of being lynched early anyway.
Does that make sense? If you're going to be lynched D1, why not claim something to survive at least until you get factional info for your team?
That's the rationale I see.
I see what you're saying on Performer. Why do you think scum have entirely avoided buying into my AlmostNancy wagon?-
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@Skitter: Absolutely, yes, Zerg are our enemies.
I hate the idea that this setup has both a gunsmith that gets a false positive on two town roles so far and that there may be two informed roles that can be tricked into full-claiming solely based on the soft-claim of the other.
It's far, far too much bullshit put into the setup that's negative rhetorical utility for town.
I hate it.
That's why I want that Nancy lynch
Because if it flips town at least I can feel okay that the setup is just made to pants/embarrass town.
and if it flips scum then I won and I'm the best and I can die happy.-
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