In post 3496, Cheeky Dancer wrote:Yeah responding to one argument isn't going to do it for me Mcqueen. Here are some other arguments you may have missed
- You hedging on Drewva today
- You hedging on Profii yesterday
- You hard defending EFN for no reason D1 except because he was a "random"
- You not having your own scumreads by day end and sheeping my vote on Xtoxm. When I changed my mind you still tried to encourage it yet today you say you only voted him because of me.
- Your unexplained townread of something smart D1.
I think I may have missed some other points but this will do for now.
~ C
1. I read DrewVa as town, but I know they're good players, so it's me attempting to be wary of any tricks they try to pull. I was unsure of DrewVa at yesterday's end, especially for their rather bad vote on EFN (at the time), so when today came I questioned whether they bussed. They responded well to criticism, something you may disagree with, but that reinforced the earlier townread I had on them.
2. I thought profii was scummy yesterday, I even voted him at one point. Check my ISO and it should be there. If you need more clarification regarding my scumread on him yesterday, you can ask. However, once he claimed, I believed it and moved off of him.
3. I didn't defend him [EFN] because he was a random. I defended him because I had just finished a game with him and Alonzo, and he lurked in that game as town, so when Alonzo - even though he was also in the game with us - made a meta case that EFN was scum because he was lurking here, I brought up our game (Newbie 1901) and said he lurks regardless of alignment. Apparently, there's a different type of lurking he does as town vs. scum. I failed to see it.
4. I did have scumreads. I didn't like Elsa at the beginning. Maybe I bandwagoned TLK a bit, but that's no different than you jumping on the EFN wagon. I was debating on voting him when he claimed Super Saint, to which I decided not to. I moved onto profii after that, and I'm pretty sure I actually expressed my suspicions of him early on, primarily because of his scumread on Nero. I didn't think that was worthy of a vote at first, but when he was under scrutiny (remember, we were looking for a good lynch target as a group) and he wasn't providing the level of engagement I would expect from town, that's when I made the decision to vote him. He claimed, and I moved my vote off of him. At that point, end of day was nearing, I had no other good scumreads, and I didn't want to vote EFN, so I sheeped you.
5. Something_Smart didn't do anything scummy Day 1. Maybe "townread" was a little overzealous, but nothing he said or did was particularly scummy to me at the time. Looking back, his posts often lacked content, especially when he kept saying he had no reads, but I shrugged it off as maybe the guy really did need more time. I've never played with the man before, so how would I know? I was focused on other people, and for the time being, he was town enough to claim such a read. I realize I could have been wrong, and his Day 2 play is definitely something to be looked at.
Another note, this again proves you haven't been reading the thread. If you did an ISO of me, most of these have been answered at some point or another. I'm bordering the line of hypocrite because of my criticism of ENG in this regard, but I've actually taken the time to re-answer all of these here. Even DrewVa re-iterated my reasoning for voting EFN not too many pages ago, in response to Ramcius. You're pulling up dead weight to try and drown me, AND it's working, which is the part that's mindblown me.