it's not, we askedIn post 8904, Gamma Emerald wrote:is it possible to keep your +1 and gift your other winnings or vice versa?
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it's not, we askedIn post 8904, Gamma Emerald wrote:is it possible to keep your +1 and gift your other winnings or vice versa?
I don't know how much of this game we can play around the risk of a town-flipped player gamethrowing. He didn't seem that bad so I feel like this particular risk is being overstated.In post 8903, Gamma Emerald wrote:I feel like newbie error by TLK could still be possible, I've seen people knowingly make errors after being made aware of the error. Someone was one corrected on the difference between cop and role cop but continued to call themselves cop incorrectly. So fuck ups happen.
I would rather lynch N & M over you, since their continued outbursts are making the toxic but there’s not enough support for it.In post 8919, BrightEyedFish wrote:Part of the reason I pushed TLK was because of the fruit. I knew profii wasn't lying that he had it and I believed he didn't intend for it to go to TLK for whatever reason.In post 8761, DrewVa wrote:It’s suspicious af that he never claimed giving sf to Profil and pushed TLK mislynch, when he he pused town!Ram mislynch N2. He was also dead set on Elsa being lynched over scum!Smart.In post 8735, Xtoxm wrote:its entirely possible that im giving bef more credit than he deserves
if drewva wants bef first i'll sheep it
we have a 1v1 i want to resolve it
so i picked the one that made more sense to me
i havent actually read far back enough to see his claim since you guys spammed the thread again, i just saw enough to gather the situation
Am I missing anything, @BEF?
That's about right for my reads.
I wasn't a fan of the EFN wagon, I was wrong.
I pushed Ram and TLK, I was wrong.
I SR SS, but I wanted EJ first.. I still could be right. who knows at this point.
In short, my big reads have been way off. Maybe I can say the same for my D1 TR on profii... maybe I was way off there as well.
Did you check Karmeleon account?In post 8958, Creature wrote:Well I'll pretend I didn't get the loud modifier and if I did blame the mod.
Not saying that Profil, Jingle, Elsa are scum but that PP, us, Creature can’t be.In post 8963, BrightEyedFish wrote:I don't think people will change their minds so it seems I'm a goner.
I wish I had more dying words that could help out. I'll just say it again so you know.
I am a Town 1-shot Sticky Fruit Vendor.
I used that 1 shot on profii N1.
I never received any gifts or anything.
I think there is scum in here:
PP, profii,DrewVa, Jingle, EJ,Creature
No, Profil has claimed to give Creature a LOUD. Creature remembers receiving it but now can’t find it.In post 8971, Elsa Jay wrote:I don't think Boon can out that Creature gave something to someone publicly, Nancy.
Not if it’s a mislynch. That’s the point, the answer to that question, could point to which one of you, is most likely to be telling the truth.In post 8976, BrightEyedFish wrote:Wouldn't a profii flip solve this problem as well as solving the issue people are having with my slot?In post 8975, DrewVa wrote:No, Profil has claimed to give Creature a LOUD. Creature remembers receiving it but now can’t find it.In post 8971, Elsa Jay wrote:I don't think Boon can out that Creature gave something to someone publicly, Nancy.
This is troubling because whether or not Creature received the LOUD or not, could determine which of BEF/Profil are likely to be telling the truth.
If Creature never got the LOUD, then it be because scum!Smart jailkept Profil and that BEF gave TLK the stickyfruit but if Creature did in fact receive Profil’s LOUD, then it meant that Profil couldn’t have been jailkept and possibly lied about giving stickyfruit to to TLK instead of Penguin.
So, this unresolved issue both affects this lynch and the entire game.
How do we know Profil isn’t?In post 8981, BrightEyedFish wrote:How will my mislynch solve anything?
Which he used on us with his neghbourize.In post 8982, DrewVa wrote:How do we know Profil isn’t?In post 8981, BrightEyedFish wrote:How will my mislynch solve anything?
I don’t know if it is one but finding out whether Profil did in fact send Creature a LOUD n2, will definitely help, determine that.
But if Profil is scum, how does he send Penguin a LOYAL, so your lynch still makes way more sense than Profil’s.
I think so, isn’t that what that modifier means: same alignment as your own?In post 8983, BrightEyedFish wrote:Can profii only send loyals to the same alignment as himself?In post 8982, DrewVa wrote:How do we know Profil isn’t?In post 8981, BrightEyedFish wrote:How will my mislynch solve anything?
I don’t know if it is one but finding out whether Profil did in fact send Creature a LOUD n2, will definitely help, determine that.
But if Profil is scum, how does he send Penguin a LOYAL, so your lynch still makes way more sense than Profil’s.
Oh okay, he isn’t confitown then, so the Creature LOUD becomes even more important than ever in resolving this.In post 8989, BrightEyedFish wrote:Profii would have to have the loyal modifier on himself for him to ONLY be able to gift to the same alignment. From what I understand he just gifted the loyal and doesn't have the loyal modifier in his role.In post 8987, DrewVa wrote:I think so, isn’t that what that modifier means: same alignment as your own?In post 8983, BrightEyedFish wrote:Can profii only send loyals to the same alignment as himself?In post 8982, DrewVa wrote:How do we know Profil isn’t?In post 8981, BrightEyedFish wrote:How will my mislynch solve anything?
I don’t know if it is one but finding out whether Profil did in fact send Creature a LOUD n2, will definitely help, determine that.
But if Profil is scum, how does he send Penguin a LOYAL, so your lynch still makes way more sense than Profil’s.
So, for Profil to be lying about that, it also would have to mean that both Penguin and us are also lying about that and we know our alignment, so, I don’t see how Profil could be lying.
Tin foil: maybe TLK did WIFOM us, like Xtoxm is saying? I dunno.
Emphasis, I didn’t address it to Boon but his answer will hopefully clear up which of BEF/Profil is more likely to be telling the truth about stickygate.In post 8994, Nev and Max wrote:Is the bold for emphasis or are you continuing your questioning of Boon?In post 8993, DrewVa wrote:Oh okay, he isn’t confitown then, so the Creature LOUD becomes even more important than ever in resolving this.In post 8989, BrightEyedFish wrote:Profii would have to have the loyal modifier on himself for him to ONLY be able to gift to the same alignment. From what I understand he just gifted the loyal and doesn't have the loyal modifier in his role.In post 8987, DrewVa wrote:I think so, isn’t that what that modifier means: same alignment as your own?In post 8983, BrightEyedFish wrote:Can profii only send loyals to the same alignment as himself?In post 8982, DrewVa wrote:How do we know Profil isn’t?In post 8981, BrightEyedFish wrote:How will my mislynch solve anything?
I don’t know if it is one but finding out whether Profil did in fact send Creature a LOUD n2, will definitely help, determine that.
But if Profil is scum, how does he send Penguin a LOYAL, so your lynch still makes way more sense than Profil’s.
So, for Profil to be lying about that, it also would have to mean that both Penguin and us are also lying about that and we know our alignment, so, I don’t see how Profil could be lying.
Tin foil: maybe TLK did WIFOM us, like Xtoxm is saying? I dunno.
If Creature did get LOUD n2, it means that Profil couldn’t have been jailkept and if Creature never got the LOUD, it means he probably was, this is why figuring this out is so important.
OK, well I'm sure there is nothing I can do to break Nancy's townread of Nero, but we probably will need him to fullclaim tomorrow. If Nero hooded you n2, there'd be no issue, but without that we would need to closely look at the rooms to see if there is any reason to think he might have given Elsa ascetic or given SS a charge early and then gotten his hood shot from somewhere else n2 or n3. I don't know that's a question we need answered today but it is a question we probably need answered before we push for a solve.In post 8996, profii wrote:The nero hood happened when I checked with boon about the S_S hood shot, iirc that was technically day 4 but the action presumably got submitted n3 I think
I’m not familiar with the +1 to scum or on top of the boonus prizes in general tbh so you tell me about that
Just to be clear, you thought "Scum, shoot Elsa or town wins this game" was a serious post?In post 8998, BrightEyedFish wrote:mechanical solve today
In post 8999, DrewVa wrote:@profiiI believe the last outstanding issue for you is that RCE asked you to shotgun some reads. What are your reads rn?
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I know, sadly profii randomly vanishing from threads isn't strongly AI given he's been way less active in the last month sitewide to my knowledge, I think something picked up with his workIn post 9033, BrightEyedFish wrote:I haven't been avoiding you, just sayin'
So N&M?In post 9060, Creature wrote:If BEF v profii is indeed a mechanical 1v1, would be better to go on someone unconfirmed (N&M).
In post 9039, DrewVa wrote:I know, sadly profii randomly vanishing from threads isn't strongly AI given he's been way less active in the last month sitewide to my knowledge
these posts were 8 apart fyi, and they are within the last three pages, so I don't know why you thought it was more productive to ask PP twice to find it instead of just reading the threadIn post 9047, Nev and Max wrote:As opposed to profii who has been mostly absent from the thread...
I didn't say it didn't matter. I said I thought it was likely his answers would not change my vote, although they were nonetheless important for my understanding of the game. Moreover, I didn't want to rush the day because I wanted to make sure that RCE and everyone in this town had time to process the merits of the case and offer refutation.In post 9094, Nev and Max wrote:You think BEF is lying scum. You are the one who seems uninterested because you the one who said you were voting BEF but wanted to hear from profii on questions, but said that it didnt really matter what he responded with, you were still voting BEF.
I think that profii is a better lynch, you dont agree, cool. We are voting BEF.
that was my theory, but idk if profii has actually said as muchIn post 9095, RCEnigma wrote:It's workload related idk an exact post.
i.e., if N&M is informed of how BEF flips, does that therefore make N&M a more consistent red flip than BEF despite the 1v1?In post 9086, DrewVa wrote:I'm just wondering because it seems like right now you're trying to bait the lynch away from him to yourself right now.
So either you know he is scum and he has a more valuable role than yours, or you know he is town and you want to give everyone shit before the flip.
Either way I don't really see how your play at this moment is uninformed.
can you expand on this?In post 9107, RCEnigma wrote:I'll go on record saying I want to Lynch Profii first but I'm voting bef.
In post 9110, RCEnigma wrote:N&m is the only protective claimed with a shot so scum likely has to deal with him if he's town and if he isn't we have an absurd amount of mislynches so, meh.
I entered this dayphase townreading you dude, Nancy doesn't like you, that's established, but saying that *I* had some deep scumread on you before your play today is inaccurate. The Alonzo case in the boonus room seemed contextually townie at the time, but I second guessed it because of S_S's play and the possibility he informed your strategy. But you have had several strange point of view shifts as this 1v1 began and several of your arguments have seemed entirely in bad faith. If you do somehow flip town, trust me, I am not blame PP, Nancy, or myself. And I don't think you do end up flipping town here given how you have approached both the profii and BEF wagons today.In post 9116, Nev and Max wrote:You are wrong. I started in a hole for you and every time i try to get out you both heap dirt on top of me. We are going to flip town and you, Nancy and PP will either feel stupid about your inability to read me, or you are scum and this is a moot point and conversation. I dont feel like you ever wanted a dialogue with us, you wanted to grandstand and show how silly and stupid we are while you guys are just the cats meow.
Why the ovvereaction? You aren’t even getting lynched today.In post 9116, Nev and Max wrote:You are wrong. I started in a hole for you and every time i try to get out you both heap dirt on top of me. We are going to flip town and you, Nancy and PP will either feel stupid about your inability to read me, or you are scum and this is a moot point and conversation. I dont feel like you ever wanted a dialogue with us, you wanted to grandstand and show how silly and stupid we are while you guys are just the cats meow.In post 9113, DrewVa wrote:Frankly, me and Nancy both agree that N&M basically never flips town here. FormerFish rolled scum. His roleclaim is garbage and totally unbelievable, regardless of what BEF flips FF has seemed highly informed about the alignments of profii/BEF throughout this day, and he has clearly gone into this dayphase with an agenda.
BEF's AtE was moderately effective; maybe it was flail but frankly I have seen BEF under pressure as both town and scum and I've never seen him like this so this is just something outside his usual range of mafia. He seems really tilted.
It is difficult to see Profii as scum here for a few reasons, but there are aberrations in his play this game that raise serious questions for me. Profii is someone who fakeclaims like every other game, and then he says he just... doesn't use a hood shot because he doesn't think hoods are useful? That is concerning to me more than the activity/presence argument.
But this day has started to seriously drag and there seems to be a pretty wide consensus in the reasoning behind getting a BEF flip despite several individual reads.
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Yeah, it seems everyone would go before you, that’s why I’m thinking you could be scum here. You didn’t do this when you were being wagoned in OK 2.In post 9118, BrightEyedFish wrote:There are several others I would rather lynch today but if it came down to me, N&M would go before I do.
How does that change anything? Considering your role is sticky fruit vendor - a not pro-town role by any stretch of the imagination, why are you fighting this lynch so hard, and offering up so many alternatives with far more pro-town roles than yours? It makes no sense mechanically for you to be doing that, and as much as I hate to say it, considering that I don’t really believe N & M claim, it actually makes sense in their case if they are telling the truth, where as it makes 0 sense in yours.In post 9121, BrightEyedFish wrote:In OK2 I was playing behind a fake claim and for me its much harder to keep up motivation and enthusiasm playing behind a lie.In post 9117, DrewVa wrote:In Ok 2, BEF was never this survivalistic. Contrast BEF’s reaction to his wagon with town!Ram and town!TLK. He is suggesting lynches on pretty much anyone but him and the fact the he suggested us as a viable lynch, PRE flip, for completely NIA reasons, is extremely unlikely to ever come from town. Therefore, I’m okay with ending the day, if people want us too.
Even contrast BEF with Elsa who only pushed SS and N & M, as opposed to half the playerlist. I’m not townclearing Elsa for that but his reaction to potentially being wagoned D4, sounds a gazillion times townier than BEF’s here.
It’s obviously not happening but if you out hyper-survivalist BEF, that could change things but otherwise, you’re totally overreacting, due to BEF excessive flailing.In post 9124, Nev and Max wrote:I feel like i am not making a big deal. Your slot is the one asking people if they want to walk away from the 1v1 to lynch us.In post 9120, DrewVa wrote:Why the ovvereaction? You aren’t even getting lynched today.
You say things that I respond to, thats how this works. Your posts are bigger, so it cant be size youre basing your opinion of off, so is it tone? What makes it seem like im making a big deal abou tthis?
Find examples or stop with the ludicrous WIFOM, kthanx.In post 9129, BrightEyedFish wrote:They've been playing this way to me as well. I could sayIn post 9126, Nev and Max wrote:Hey BEF, can you at least tell me im not seeing things when I feel like Drew is just gaslighting the shit out of me here? Like all the one liners that can only go to attack my credibility?
"It's cold in here" they would reply with something like,
"it could be cold but it's probably hot"
and then something changes I would say,
"oh now I'm hot"
and drewva would reply
"Actually you're cold, we know how/what you are, but we feel it's hot"
Until recently BEF wasn’t close to acting scummier than you. That’s clearly changed, and I don’t even think you can find a way top it, which means you’re not getting lynched.In post 9130, Nev and Max wrote:I dont know what you mean.In post 9128, DrewVa wrote:It’s obviously not happening but if you out hyper-survivalist BEF, that could change things but otherwise, you’re totally overreacting, due to BEF excessive flailing.In post 9124, Nev and Max wrote:I feel like i am not making a big deal. Your slot is the one asking people if they want to walk away from the 1v1 to lynch us.In post 9120, DrewVa wrote:Why the ovvereaction? You aren’t even getting lynched today.
You say things that I respond to, thats how this works. Your posts are bigger, so it cant be size youre basing your opinion of off, so is it tone? What makes it seem like im making a big deal abou tthis?
BEF’s recent flailing hands down, beats anything you’ve done to ping my scumdar.In post 9137, Nev and Max wrote:Man, i was hoping you were going to show me examples of where ive been overreacting recently.In post 9135, DrewVa wrote:Until recently BEF wasn’t close to acting scummier than you. That’s clearly changed, and I don’t even think you can find a way top it, which means you’re not getting lynched.In post 9130, Nev and Max wrote:I dont know what you mean.In post 9128, DrewVa wrote:It’s obviously not happening but if you out hyper-survivalist BEF, that could change things but otherwise, you’re totally overreacting, due to BEF excessive flailing.In post 9124, Nev and Max wrote:I feel like i am not making a big deal. Your slot is the one asking people if they want to walk away from the 1v1 to lynch us.In post 9120, DrewVa wrote:Why the ovvereaction? You aren’t even getting lynched today.
You say things that I respond to, thats how this works. Your posts are bigger, so it cant be size youre basing your opinion of off, so is it tone? What makes it seem like im making a big deal abou tthis?
So, no. I definitely think BEF should be today’s lynch and I didn’t before.
+1In post 9136, DrewVa wrote:K, well I've seen enough.
VOTE: End the Day
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Good night everyone, sweet dreams
Yeah, that was from Profii, thus confirming his role and the logic behind him sending the ascetic shot to UnaIn post 9143, BrightEyedFish wrote:Oh and town, I belive there is another gifter or such a role out there, I received a gift and BOON said it didn't come from a BOONus round.
Doesn't really matter, if BEF is telling the truth we'll flip green and then you will know Penguin is mechanically locked town and the strongest investigative, thus making you not being on him tonight a de facto scum claim if he were to die.In post 9150, Nev and Max wrote:And what if we are in a world where your behavior towards us has poisoned anything you have to say?
j/w but do you feel like I was unfair to you in any way this game? I spent quite a bit of time evaluating the merits of the case, I asked you for other cases, and got a wide range of town input. Why do you seem so personally tilted toward our slot?In post 9153, BrightEyedFish wrote:Because I was hoping for this outcome.