Greatest Idea Mafia - Game Over

[Nimueh]

All the mafia roles discarded? Holy sheet we didn't like the mafia today. Guess we're werewolf hunting today instead.

I thought I'd look bad discarding a VT but... Holy crap Ohrfz. You killed a Mason.

Masons aren't powerful in this setup considering masons aren't guaranteed to be town

Why did you think you'd look bad discarding a VT?

Masons can’t be mafia, so yeah, I think it looks bad.

[Nimueh]

UNVOTE:

Guess we’ll leave it to the vig then. If there’s no vig though we’ll have to double lynch, unless you think another faction would kill them at some point?

not sure what other factions are out there but i dont see mafia faction ever killing them because feels like he is a LHF who will be scum read widely

do you have a reads list?

Why do you assume there is a mafia faction?

The discarded role cards.

[Nimueh]

UNVOTE:

Guess we’ll leave it to the vig then. If there’s no vig though we’ll have to double lynch, unless you think another faction would kill them at some point?

not sure what other factions are out there but i dont see mafia faction ever killing them because feels like he is a LHF who will be scum read widely

do you have a reads list?

Why do you assume there is a mafia faction?

The discarded role cards.

Explain? I don’t see it

We all got 3 cards and nearly all of the discarded roles but one either are town or mafia, so I’m at a loss to understand how you wouldn’t think there were mafia in this setup.

[Nimueh]

NotMySpamAccount has been killed Night 1. He was a

One-Shot Unlynchable Survivor

.

It is now Day 2.

Ironic

[Nimueh]

Town

DT
Gamma
Allo
Pintu
Brass

Maybe town

Elsa
Alch

Put Alch in town, trust me.

Elsa too.

[Nimueh]

Is Nimueh still playing this game?

Yeah sorry, rl.

[Nimueh]

I'm town mason
the other mason is 5/6 odds town
1/6 odds werewolf mason
my cards are:
Werewolf Mason
FBI Agent

You were already hammered, before I could do anything to stop it. Sorry. :/

[Nimueh]

Votecount 2.01

TTTT (4) -

Allomancer, davesaz, brassherald, pinturicchio

OkaPoka (1) -

Gamma Emerald

pinturicchio (1) -

Elsa Jay

Allomancer (1) -

Alchemist21

Vedith (1) -

TheGoldenParadox

Nimueh (1) -

OkaPoka

Not Voting (5) -

TTTT, ofrhz, DoubtingThomas, Nimueh, Vedith

With 14 players alive it takes 8 votes to lynch.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2019-03-10 10:30:00).

I made it home (thankfully safely) and now have normal access to the site. Thanks for your patience over the slightly extended night phase.

Oh it’s not too late, thank God.

[Nimueh]

HUH?

He’s my mason buddy.

[Nimueh]

spill some secrets of what you guys talk abouyt

Well, he crumbed mason nim in a series of posts but he made it easier to read in our PT. I asked him who he tr because I hadn’t really read the thread. He said Pint. I haven’t checked it today yet.

[Nimueh]

spill some secrets of what you guys talk abouyt

Well, he crumbed mason nim in a series of posts but he made it easier to read in our PT. I asked him who he tr because I hadn’t really read the thread. He said Pint. I haven’t checked it today yet.

@TTTT, could you please do what you did in our PT, here, wrt crumbing? Thanks.

[Nimueh]

is that it

Penguin made an ego post in there. Sorry, not much so far. If nether of us gets Nk’d, hopefully I’ll have more useful stuff tomorrow.

[Nimueh]

803-819 I think, is where the crumbs are.

[Nimueh]

803-819 I think, is where the crumbs are.

u think?

cant u

u know

look at your pt

and then show us which posts

ofc dont quote it cuz u will be modkilled

but

u know

I’d rather let TTTT do it. It was the first letter in one of the lines of most of those posts.

[Nimueh]

He means in this game not the PT

Yes, I’m aware.

[Nimueh]

mcqueen
I'm not ready yet sorry

no need to end the day just yet

need more thoughts from everyone else
on your lynch

anybody wanna hear a hitler joke?
fair warning it's not very funny

so I kinda wanted to hear back from Oka first
about why he wanted to hammer but I have to drive home soon and want to spend some time in twilight...
VOTE: mcqueen

You’re probably missing a few, since it spells “mason nim” backwards.

[Nimueh]

Yes, I’m aware.

I was talking to Oka lol.
I don't see any crumbs in what I quoted though?

I’m sure he’ll make it as clear here as he did in our PT.

[Nimueh]

Nimueh might be scum

cr
umb

located

He was obviously joking.

As everyone already knows, I discarded Alpha Goon. I kept Tentacled Townie and Mason.

[Nimueh]

You were already hammered, before I could do anything to stop it. Sorry. :/

This doesn't match up to saying TTTT can advise though?
Do you think he's hammered or no?

I hope not, since the only other player to get a mason card, discarded it, so I obviously wouldn’t be a mason any longer.

TTTT can do a much better job of pointing out the crumbs than me but if he’s actually hammered before he can do so, I’ll of course do it. It’s in 8 posts: “mason nim” - backwards. I’ll check the numbers.

[Nimueh]

You were already hammered, before I could do anything to stop it. Sorry. :/

This doesn't match up to saying TTTT can advise though?
Do you think he's hammered or no?

I hope not, since the only other player to get a mason card, discarded it, so I obviously wouldn’t be a mason any longer.

TTTT can do a much better job of pointing out the crumbs than me but if he’s actually hammered before he can do so, I’ll of course do it. It’s in 8 posts: “mason nim” - backwards. I’ll check the numbers.

Sorry, 4: #819, 807, 805, 803.

[Nimueh]

I only see “on nim”, I don’t see “ma”

But TTTT’s not hammered so we can let him confirm/deny your claim.

*don’t see the “mas”

It’s there, he showed me in our PT. Now you know why it’s better he do it.

[Nimueh]

I only see “on nim”, I don’t see “ma”

But TTTT’s not hammered so we can let him confirm/deny your claim.

Good, I felt awful that he got hammered before I could stop it, so I’m just glad I wasn’t too late.

[Nimueh]

You know you can ISO people’s posts, right? Underneath the quick reply box you can see “display posts by user” with a drop down box by it and you can use that to go through and quote his posts.

I know but I already gave you the numbers: 819, 807, 805, 803.

[Nimueh]

HUH?

He’s my mason buddy.

Can we lynch Oka now

What is your case, other than he’s voting a hardclaimed town mason?

[Nimueh]

No wonder why you lied about it.

Can you tell us if Nim was even online to lie to you, or was during day 2 and not night 2? Because if they weren't even online during the night that solves itself.

Otherwise VOTE: Nimueh

Elsa, I’ve been unwell. I am also a hardclaimed mason.

[Nimueh]

No wonder why you lied about it.

Can you tell us if Nim was even online to lie to you, or was during day 2 and not night 2? Because if they weren't even online during the night that solves itself.

Otherwise VOTE: Nimueh

Elsa, I’ve been unwell. I am also a hardclaimed mason.

I haven’t lied about anything. *confused*

I discarded alpha goon and kept tentacled townie and town mason.

[Nimueh]

night action claims:
oka vigs TGP (success)
Elsa watches brass (nobody visits)
brass docs DT
vedith hides behind pint (and lives)
Nim docs brass

someone make sense of this

Yes, I doc’d Brass. I left out the doc part, so I wouldn’t get NK’d. What are you doing, @TTTT?

Yes, I kept town mason DOCTOR. So, I’m probably dead tonight. Last time I ever again, pick mason anything in this kind of setup. :/

[Nimueh]

No wonder why you lied about it.

Can you tell us if Nim was even online to lie to you, or was during day 2 and not night 2? Because if they weren't even online during the night that solves itself.

Otherwise VOTE: Nimueh

Elsa, I’ve been unwell. I am also a hardclaimed mason.

... I didn't hear anything about a Doctor claim just now from you. Hmmmmmm.........

Well TTT, what's this about?

Yeah, and you weren’t supposed too. I was hoping to keep on Brass but now, scum will kill us both.

[Nimueh]

Seems more like you just tried to back out of me catching you in a lie, Nim. I claimed nobody visited Brass and suddenly you go back to "I'm just a Mason"?

Fun times, huh?

I’m not lying. I did protect Brass. TTTT thinks that means you’d have to be lying but I don’t see why you would. All I do know is that I’m not.

Yeah, I didn’t read our mason thread before I posted that. Last time I checked, he told me he fakeclaimed doc but I am the only town mason doc in this game.

I told TTTT that it could possibly point to maybe either a role stopper or jailkeep in the game.

[Nimueh]

So, despite my drinking a part of every drink my girlfriend got and her not having more than a sip of my beers, she got more drunk than me.

This isn't related to anything but I guess it's better than an empty vote where I just decide to do this one

VOTE: elsa either she is not town watcher, or at least one of TTTT and Nim are scum.

I know I’m town and I think TTTT is as well. As for Elsa, wouldn’t it be beyond stupid for him to lie about this? He’d have to obviously know that once I flip, he’s toast right?

[Nimueh]

As for Elsa, wouldn’t it be beyond stupid for him to lie about this? He’d have to obviously know that once I flip, he’s toast right?

but she was caught in the lie before I outed that you visited brass

Oh okay, good point but if a jk or role stopper visited Brass, that could also account for his results, no?

[Nimueh]

I outted because I thought I caught TTT in a lie. Appearantly it was Num instead.

No you’re wrong. I did doc Brass and posted it in my PT with TTTT. However, you not knowing I doc’d Brass before you claimed what you did, makes things even more confusing.

[Nimueh]

Nim there are like a billion claimed town PRs here (including me last night)
if you were roleblocked it was by town
if nobody claims they RB'd you
Elsa is confscum to you

But no one knew I was doc until today and I don’t even think you can rb a regular mason but yeah, that would obviously explain it.

[Nimueh]

VOTE: elsa either she is not town watcher, or at least one of TTTT and Nim are scum.

scum!TTTT doesn't resolve this
unless it is with scum!Nim
so one of Elsa/Nim is scum

Well you know I can’t be scum or how else do you explain my tentacled townie card?

[Nimueh]

that's my point
the only way you are both town is if you were roleblocked
and a scum RB wouldn't have targeted you

But didn’t Elsa defend you yesterday? Why did scum!Elsa do that and that was before he knew about the mason thing but unless Brass is aesetic or commuted, I guess my being rb’d, is the only thing that would make sense.

So, unless I was rb’d, Elsa has to be scum?

Only thing that gives me pause is mod messing up NA resuts but probably not that, I hope.

Because of N1 NK mixup.

[Nimueh]

I don't get why are you trying to find a way around this

I’m not. If there’s 0 possibility that Elsa isn’t lying, then I’m good with that. I just wanted to make sure that’s the case.

I’m just trying to understand the scum motivation for him lying about that.

[Nimueh]

like you've been barely participating in the game
and now that there is confscum from your POV
you are all over this game thread trying to talk out of it
???

what am I missing here?

Nothing. I want to take into account all possibilities. I don’t see why you’d have a problem with that.

[Nimueh]

he has this wacky theory that scum!pintun had a scum doc friend heal him to clear pintu from the hider check

It's actually very likely if nim is Scum.

I see it
scum!Nim didn't visit brass
which explains Elsa not seeing anybody visit brass
which almost makes more sense than scum!Elsa lying about nobody visiting brass when she knows Nim did visit
of course this assumes scum!Elsa is watcher
Scum!Elsa!NotWatcher makes sense too though
my head hurts
just ignore this post I don't know if it works

I’m 100% fliping town mason doc. Bank on it.

[Nimueh]

I don't remember exactly how I was thinking last night, especially, because I kind of remember going like "if Elsa flips town both Nim and TTTT are scum" but I think that was just drunk logic. Would that make sense to literally anyone? Because it no longer does to me

If Elsa flips town, Nim is scum. I don't think TTTT is relevant here.

Whatever Elsa flips, I am still town.

[Nimueh]

Nimueh might be scum

cr
umb

located

He was obviously joking.

As everyone already knows, I discarded Alpha Goon. I kept Tentacled Townie and Mason.

[Nimueh]

Hey TTTT, how about stop WIFOMing my slot? If Elsa is town, I'm still town. If Nimueh is scum, I'm still town. I've been an important town voice during the whole game. I had a hider behind me yesterday and I'm not confirmed 'cause I could have a doc friend? So DT is confirmed but I'm not?

I claimed Miller in my first post. I was vanillaised. I got a hider behind me. I can't be more town than this. And as I said on D2, I'm a liability for the scumteam 'cause I'm probably the only VT of the entire game and they need to lynch me instead of nightkilling me. So if you keep pushing the idea I'm scum because of whatever, I'm going to assume you're scumclaiming.

I'm tired of this bullshit, get fucking better at this game and recognize obvtown when you have it in front of you.

+1

I’m honestly starting to regret trying to save him from the hammer. He clearly has real trouble distinguishing between town and scum motivation. And the cards I kept: Tentacled townie and town mason doc vs. the one I discarded: Alpha goon. Why the hell do I fakeclaim either one at the time I did as scum, ffs? I’ve never played this setup before. If mason was my alignment, then tentacled townie would obviously be my role. How dumb can some people be at this game, seriously? I need new mason buddy. Do you think the mod would let me switch?

[Nimueh]

TTTT isn't saying either of you are Scum he's covering all areas. Like Wtf is even up with both yours and Pitnus posts against TTTT there?

And Elsa, I know that I do not die if they are healed.

Simple, I’m tilted that he hasn’t locktowned me yet because there’s just really no excuse at the point, for him to not have.

Anyone who has access to our PT other than him, would have.

[Nimueh]

I was also thinking there's no scum kill again. Unless the scum factions is aliens and Alch was the only scum night kill.

I don't see the scum motivation of Oka's two claimed kills, either

Or maybe there’s possibly a ninja scum in this game? Could that explain it?

That still doesn’t explain Elsa not seeing me visit you, however.

[Nimueh]

Also i jailkept elsa n1 hence her rb

Who did you jailkeep last night?

[Nimueh]

So we have two docs and a jailkeeper huh

I doc’d TTTT n1 and Brass last night.

I asked him, if he thought I should doc someone else n1 and he said he tr Pint but that he didn’t think he’d be the NK. On n2, Brass was the obvious n2 NK choice, so I have real trouble believing that no one other than me visited him.

[Nimueh]

Also i jailkept elsa n1 hence her rb

That... Makes much more sense if I take how d1 went.

But yeah, I don't get how it explains Nimueh not visiting Brass n2. I know people believe them over me, but I want to know the answer here.

But I did visit Brass, so if we’re both telling the truth, could there be some other explanation for you not seeing my visit?

[Nimueh]

Because I'm a Watcher over a 3rd Town Protective claim? Fun times...

If I get lynched because of that, at least I know it's not completely my fault. But I still probably would have sided with Dave yesterday too.

sigh

Did anyone elsa want to claim a result on me that proves I'm innocent, maybe?

Why isn’t anyone even considering the possibility of some kind of bus driver/redirector?

Something isn’t adding up.

[Nimueh]

The only type of redirector is Alien mass redirector, which got discarded.

Now That I know I was jailkept instead of just roleblocked n1, and Dt confirms they didn't jail you, it HAS to mean your lying FMPOV. I don't see any other option.

And when my flip proves otherwise, what will you say then?

[Nimueh]

@Elsa, what did your results say specifically?

no visits or no results?

[Nimueh]

Well if that happened Oka would probably shoot me during the night and I'd have no say in the matter, actually.

That isn’t really an answer. If fypov, you not lying and I KNOW I’m not, what would your theory be at that point, is what I’m asking.

[Nimueh]

No visits, Nim.

Ved: Does hide go before Jailkeep?

Well, I did visit Brass and I will flip town mason doc, so if you’re telling the truth here, then there has to be some other explanation.


Unless you actually are lying.

Because no visits implies you couldn’t have been roleblocked.

[Nimueh]

TTTT isn't saying either of you are Scum he's covering all areas.

Vedith gets me

Mechanically, it seems Elsa has to be lying. I know I’m not, so if he’s not, then I have no clue how to explain it.

[Nimueh]

Welp, DT's claim changes things. Occam's razor says scum tried to shoot me to get rid of me and Vedith and DT saved us. Elsa's claim goes against Nimueh, so as he said, we vote one of them today and if we are wrong, the other one is practically confscum.

Since Elsa knew he was "roleblocked", things are against Nimueh right now.

Well lynch me if you think I’m lying then. But you will just have mislynched a tpr who is guaranteed to be NK’d, probably sooner than later.

[Nimueh]

Why would you be nightkilled if brass could heal you and you could heal brass and the scumteam never gets a nightkill from both of you

Couldn’t scum have a strongman?

Look, I’ve laid out all the reasons why I’m town mason doc. There is nothing more I can do to convince you.

1. I kept tentacled townie and town mason doc. I discarded alpha goon.
2.I outed mason to save TTTT from being hammered when I had no other reason to do so, other than he is my mason partner.
3. I doc’d him n1.
4. 1 doc’d Brass n2.

What more do I have to do to convince you?

[Nimueh]

I think Nim/Elsa/Allo should be resolved through lynch/vig/hide, not necessarily in that order

Those are my top three scumreads right now

I honestly don’t understand why. Everything I’ve posted, points to my being town. What do you see as the scum motivation for anything I’ve posted?

[Nimueh]

night action claims:
oka vigs TGP (success)
Elsa watches brass (nobody visits)
brass docs DT
vedith investigates ???
TTTT docs ???

VOTE: Nimueh

I'm a JOAT

I rb'd Nimueh last night, and I suspect that's why there was only one kill last night

Another possible explanation for the lack of NK is that scum tried and failed to kill DT last night, but I don't think it's very probable that they would kill DT over two claimed doctors and a vig

full claim
all your cards
thx

Why is ofrhz voting for me is she rb’d me? But why would she rb me over TTTT?

[Nimueh]

Good chance Elsa and Ofrhz are Scum together.

She’s either lying or she’s confirming I’m telling the truth. Either way her vote on me makes no sense.

[Nimueh]

Not really that ballsy.
I don't see in what universe nim is ever blocked there.

+1

Yeah, that makes no sense since why would you block a mason? I haven’t been a fan of her opening posts or the reasons for her discard either but I let it go att.

[Nimueh]

given these claimed night actions
why is ohfrz more likely scum than elsa?
real question
I'm trying to figure this out

I doc’d Brass. Elsa claims a no visit result on him. Ohfrz claims to have rb’d me but is still voting me, which makes 0 sense. Ohfrz claim would back up both Elsa’s and my claim, if true. Outside of the 1v1, I wasn’t sr him. I find everything about Ohfrz claim and vote on me suspicious.

VOTE: ohfrz

[Nimueh]

I can case Nim later when I have more time, but it's just going to boil down to "just look at their ISO"

Precisely why you shouldn’t be voting me.

[Nimueh]

I'm thinking the no lynch idea and big doesn't shoot is good.
If we are only against Aliens then then there's nothing that could be done to stop is.

I could also then check in Elsa, ofrhz or nim depending who agrees where?

I’m fine if you check me, since I’m telling the truth.

[Nimueh]

Don't get me wrong, I believe you.

I think town are
DT, TTTT, nim, Brass, Pintu and Oka

I know, I think you do. I just didn’t want to leave any room for doubt. I will be legit shocked if ohrz isn’t scum here.

[Nimueh]

ofrhz has been lynched Day 4. They were a

Mafia Retired Marine

.

The Town has achieved its win condition.

Gamma Emerald

, a

Town Vanillaiser

, survived and wins.

TTTT

, a

Town Mason

, survived and wins.

Vedith

, a

Town Hider

, survived and wins.

pinturicchio

, a

Town Miller

turned

Vanilla Townie

, survived and wins.

brassherald

, a

Town Doctor

, survived and wins.

OkaPoka

, a

Town Vigilante

, survived and wins.

DoubtingThomas

, a

Town Jailkeeper

, survived and wins.

Nimueh

, a

Town Mason Doctor

, survived and wins.

mcqueen

,

Alchemist21

,

TheGoldenParadox

, and

Allomancer

all win posthumously.

Congratulations to the Town for winning Greatest Idea Mafia!

\o/ I knew ofrhz was scum. Scummy entrances have a scary accuracy rate. Yes, I did swith to Bras and apparently missed the last day of this game but nice.

[Nimueh]

VOTE: Nim

Funny.

[Nimueh]

I think there's nothing much to it but how the playerlist is feeling at the point they have to push. If I had to choose my alignment today, I would be choosing third party. If I chose after a two weeks break, I would choose scum... I know that's only me, but I think that's a common trait for anyone here: sometimes you feel like catching scum, sometimes you feel like decieving everyone.

I had crappy crads for the most part: tentacled townie and alpha goon, mason doc was the only decent one and had to be aligned with town. That made the choice easy. I also didn’t know your discards get outted.

[Nimueh]

I had crappy crads

for the most part

: tentacled townie and alpha goon, mason doc was the only decent one and had to be aligned with town. That made the choice easy. I also didn’t know your discards get outted.

Mason doc is a great role
you get the unlimited night action
you get a PT with another player
you can roleswap with the other mason(s)
just the fact that you can claim and have it backed up by another player is very strong
mason+ability is my dream role

I know, that was my point. It was the only decent card out of the 3.