Non-Reviewed Game [game over]

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Hello everyone,
It appears that Gamma Emerald is getting wagonned. How fun.

VOTE: Sabrina LeCutie
It's no more likely than not that her name can be blamed on wrackspurts.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Hello everyone,
It appears that Gamma Emerald is getting wagonned. How fun.

VOTE: Sabrina LeCutie
It's no more likely than not that her name can be blamed on wrackspurts.

the heck is a wrackspurt

Isn't that from Harry potter?

It's from Luna Lovegood.

Hello everyone,
It appears that Gamma Emerald is getting wagonned. How fun.

VOTE: Sabrina LeCutie
It's no more likely than not that her name can be blamed on wrackspurts.

While I appreciate the Harry Potter reference, are you implying that my name is silly or stupid...? That hurts.

I may have been implying that I had no better reason to randomly vote someone. That is what we're supposed to do now. I hope I did not accidentally offend you.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I think demonlord was just going with the joke, but demons shouldn't be trusted.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Inb4 the entire scum team jumped onto Gamma for RVS luls.

>vedith and his reaction testing
>demonlords trumpy distraction technique

It's quite possible

What do you think demonlord was trying to distract us from? There had only been a few random votes at that point, including the slight wagon on yourself.

Do you have any theories?

Oh and if you aren't distracted, I was wondering what your avatar is?

Sabrina sucks. If you side with her you suck too.

Where you trying to pretend to be offensive to Sabrina? Don't forget she is destined for interestingness.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Why does Sabrina suck? Was her response to my comment on her name so very terrible?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Exciting stuff so far.

Really ?!?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I don't like the way it went off topic. Partly because I have only the most basic of ideas what y'all started talking about.

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Was Gamma Emerald responsible for it going off topic then?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Maybe a speed lynch on Dave?

Speed so that we have less interactions to go off later, or just so you can see how the people now react to the suggestion? Has Dave done something terrible to deserve that?

Thought we'd be out of rvs by now. Game is remarkably slow for a large.

I know right? It's quite refreshing. Anyway
VOTE: Vedith
Free towncred if anyone can spot the same glaring scumtell I saw.

i think maria is town

Do you see the scum tell then? I see something, but Vedith can have similar manners as town.

Ausuka Looks town.

lol how

Are you suggesting scum!Vedith is defending scum!ausuka?

Top poster 20 minutes into joining the game

I am Locktown

Is number of posts inductive of alignment? I had not realized.

Your previous incarnation as demonlord did not seem to be demonic.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Does anyone has a case for or against Ausuka? (Do I mean for or against voting, or keeping her alive? I'm not sure.)

[StarwingBeauvoi]

The whole resistance to leaving Gammas wagon makes me think scum are trying to sit comfortably within that for as long as possible. I'm at work right now so dont have the time to figure out who the scum is within the wagon though

You have interesting ideas.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

VOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausukaVOTE: ausuka

Why do you vote so many times if it makes no difference? Did a wrackspurt make your head go fuzzy, or do you have voting superpowers, that you will not wish to tell us about, and probably wouldn't use this early in the game?

Sure, here's what I have, or at least what I can remember. I'm not very good with early reads so it's all pretty weak.

Scumreads on Gamma, Ausuka, Vedith, but they seem unlikely to be aligned.

I agree with Sabrina about postcount being NAI. Claiming "lock town" from being top poster is a big turn off for me. Your posting does seem towny in places though.

Wilky seems towny. Elsa seems to like playing with matches but it's NAI given her history. I appreciate Clemency being more chill with posting but wonder what prompted that change, wanna keep an eye on him.

Wisdom is engimatic but that's style not alignment. Doubt I'll be able to get a good read there until later.

And Starwing invisible.
I think I agree with Dave when it comes to DoubtingThomas. I don't know if anyone was looking, but I spoke of the locktown/top poster correlation. The number of posts ought not be indicative, yet Thomas does have other town indicators.

@Dave

]If you believe Gamma, Ausuka, Vedith are all scum, but are not aligned, do you then think that the way the game was destined allows for the mafia roles to not be allied?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

to those asking about my line about the gamma wagon; it generally seems like it would be a good idea to build on what we have, even if people are just pretending to actually believe it, then build a wagon that explicitly is not on a scumread because i think the first one would cause more pressure and cause the game to get started a lot faster. if there's a case on gamma that i missed i'd be wrong but i don't think there is one.

@enigma; those players are holding back in terms of content; it's certainly possible some of you are busy irl but we can't just assume that as an excuse for giving no content, i think.

You think then that Gamma has been explicitly said to not be a scum read? What else is there to build on? Why is pushing a Gamma wagon with little reads any different than "

building on what we have, even if people are just pretending to actually believe it

"?

My Gamma read is precisely about holding back on content. Why is it better to vote a shorter wagon than a longer wagon in that case?
I don't disagree on some of the others you mentioned having low content.
Are any of the people you suggested wagoning scummy to you? You even included yourself in that list. It sounded to me like it was an "anyone but Gamma" type list which seems strange at this point in the game.

in that case, i misinterpreted the situation, sorry.

I think light is scummy, vedith isn't really and obviously not myself. the reason i said that was because i saw people suggesting the gamma wagon was the best way to get the game going, but I think that building on what was posted before and joining a wagon with more stated reasons would be more likely to trigger events.

Do you just think Light is scummy based on the shakiness around the Fuscosco vote?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

They say Ausuka is defensive, but why?
Well maybe one or twice,
But not more than some others.
If Ausuka was defensive in post 137,
So was Light in post 130
Perhaps.
Neither had much bad to defend. They can both defend rightly.
Light in post 138 makes a defense of a sort
And in answers to Ausuka's post 153, I say that we are not as all effective as we wish to be.
It might be better to sound certain when doing pressure, but dithering is not inherently a sign of evil.

If anyone really wishes to call Ausuka defensive, post 398 is a deflection.
Ausuka has shared some opinions, but many reads?
Few of us have many reads.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

like lmao did you not read my very last few posts?

Could you try? An opinion does not have to contain strong town or scum leanings, and attempting to write one, is a good way to discover one.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

VOTE: enigma

iso him then sheep me

VOTE: Enigma

I'll do one better and skip straight to step 2.

Is blindly following anyone the path of wisdom?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

...

So I was trying to figure out this scumtell before I read this post:
the capitalisation on the "Looks" ... kinda like he wrote something tmi then deleted it and replaced it with looks? he doesn't capitalise mid-sentence anywhere else. yep, im so awesome at catching scum. thanks all

also, ausuka wagon bores me, though she isn't acting super townie

...

I see oddness here. And the rest of the time it sounds like he's got wrackspurts stopping him from saying anything important.

VOTE: Enigma

It does seem wise in this case.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Thomas can be clever,
He knows that antagonizing everyone is less than useful.
So if he's town,
He won't do it too much.


I've started a list so that I won't forget everything if I fail to keep the wrackspurts away. The list is still too short.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Wagon on me yay

I choose VOTE: starwing

Do you choose be because I looked at your ISO before voting?

VOTE: Sabrina

Sabrina wanting Thomas gone, is rather obvious. Evil often likes to be sneaky. That's not sneaky.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Thomas can be clever,
He knows that antagonizing everyone is less than useful.
So if he's town,
He won't do it too much.

Sabrina wanting Thomas gone, is rather obvious. Evil often likes to be sneaky. That's not sneaky.

These are insightful but perhaps a little short sighted.
Doing something that scum shouldn't / wouldn't do is a good way to hide in plain sight.
We may think they are more likely to be town but shouldn't forget them.

If Thomas is scum, he also won't want everyone angry at him. Thus it's not indicative.
But as scum it's destructive to him personally.
While antagonizing could break town cohesion and cooperation as badly as a heliopath stampede would.

I'm like an elephant. I don't forget.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

My grandfather died today. It wasn't a surprise, but rather sad. I cried.

ofrhz town

Maria townish

Wisdom town


My emotions are causing a dark shadow. Later I will talk again.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Enigma, i didn't vote for you because of how often you posts, but because you didn't say much when you did post.
If i look at you, that's what i see.
If I looked at someone else, i would not see much more
We have all been too slow.
Not just you. None of your actions have looked much like scum.
UNVOTE:

I'll be sorted out in two days or less, and start pushing things.
Don't anyone be afraid to push me with questions.I won't break.

Why do you think Wisdom was voting you?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Enigma is popping in just to look busy

They've dodged answering a question for about a week now

Oh? What was the question?

I was prodded and it doesn't feel good.

Did we Forget Vedith temporarily?

I suspect Wisdom is using a compulsion to make people like him, because I don't know why I think he's town, but I strongly feel it.

Has Fuscosco sad anything useful lately?

Clemency is even emptier than Enigma? Can you feel the hollow space?

Spoiler:

Wagon on me yay

I choose VOTE: starwing

Why?

Made a terrible reason to jump on a terrible wagon

what do you think of elsa's vote on you?

Elsa's ISO is so contentless it huts my eyes

^actually just mainly pretending that elsa doesn't exist

this doesn't really answer my question tho

why was starwing's vote worse than elsa's?

Mainly because I just zone out people like elsa because I can't read them. So I really don't try to interact with them because I don't think it will generate anything useful. Starwing's vote I explained above

Can you read me Enigma? Was my reason so very terrible? I thought it was one of my better ones in my history on Mafia scum.

Fuscosco's aura is townish.

Gamma is leaving another empty spot in the game atmosphere.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I don't see it.
Can I get town credit if I vote though?

Voting Enigma makes you part of Widom's probably un-evil plot, and gets you Wisdom points which are worth whatever Wisdom values you at, or what everyone else values Wisdom at.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Clemency does not appear to be trying to be engaged.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

wilky is another scum btw

Is he then? No one else has noticed? Is it an aura from the Sabrina vote, or is her two friendly? Being two friendly is a sign of gerhumpfuzles


Scum should try harder than Clemency is. Even with no pressure, they do want to make things happen.



It's not possible for Wisdom to be infallible, but I can see some of the scummy with Enigma.

VOTE: Enigma

[StarwingBeauvoi]

The enigma case is similar to gamma case. Posting but not saying much that looks like an attempt to sort.

okay jackass

Emerald, are you voting Davez based on the principle of reciprocity, or not you have reasoning for him being scum?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

It's very likely that many of us are PRs. We're all special. Even those who don't look it.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

So what you're saying, Starwing, is speedlynch Enigma and blame you if they flip town. Got it.

You're very brilliant to figure that out. I was attempting to hide behind the mentions of Wisdom not being infallible.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

imho fuscosco and vedith are the only other acceptable wagons

Do tell us why.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Why am I on Mafia scum at this time of 'day' anyway?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Enigma, why do you think Wisdom is pushing your wagon?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Enigma, why do you think Wisdom is pushing your wagon?

not sure

he's either lazy town or scum going for an easy mislynch. the value of d1 is to make associatives from the various wagons and discussions happening - this is not existent in this game so my flip barely provides any info and this is something good for scum

i disagree with his read of who might be scum on my wagon

maria and vedith

imo scum would make more of an effort to make a valid reason to jump on the wagon, whereas maria and vedith are quite the opposite

Wisdom is not stupid, but he's not always as wise as he likes to think. Giving reasons for reads is beneath him, because if we unwise people can't find our own reasons, we don't deserve his. I have not observed Wisdom as scum.

Few counter wagons, little effort, I think we've all been affected by a pathi. That's a moth like creature that makes people drowsy.

Who else could I push to make interesting things happen? I really should.

If scum take the effort to give valid reasons, then the way to not look like scum is to not try, thus not trying ought to be a sign someone is scum. But if you don't try people accuse you of not caring, and no one listens to you, thus you should try anyway.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Hello everyone.

Life was a distraction, and I'm now reviewing, but have a case of the snuffles.

Yeah Dunn's right. Enigma is now actively hindering town at this point. It's him or No Lynch.

Where does he hinder?

Elsa's aura indicates the claim is true. I saw the breadcrumb, and I did wonder. Elsa must have foresight to crumb that early. Friendly neighbours do tend to be limitless, but the game quite possibly is infused with hoggles, and the neighbors could be less than typically friendly.

Wilky was friendly, but I think I will go stare at Chennis for a bit.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Yeah Dunn's right. Enigma is now actively hindering town at this point. It's him or No Lynch.

VOTE: enigma

iso him then sheep me

VOTE: Enigma

I'll do one better and skip straight to step 2.

i dont like this

Reasonable

Like cuter version of vedith who will naturally be an easy target for scums to push to mislynch

I kinda agree with this tbh

well, the last part of it

since I dont think Enigma is scum

and we have a counterwagon on someone scummy

VOTE: Elsa Jay

Opportunistic.

Very concerning how many people are claiming, and how many others are "claiming." If you're going to jokeclaim to confuse town, it's only going to get you lynched/scumread. Getting Enigma lynched also feels like a bad idea with the claimed Watcher, but I don't feel like we have a choice anymore.

Aura darkened. You always have a choice. Maybe not an easy one, but we all have a choice. You said previously that you don't think Enigma is scum. If both Elsa and Enigma are town, who are the scum pushing them?

VOTE: chennisden

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Is there an invisible player who is not voting?

Why scum not kill you, Elsa?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

c'mon it didn't take that long to write that.

???

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Ofrhz town \o/

Fair enough.

VOTE: Ofrhz

Did the first mean the opposite to what it seemed like?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Who is to say a vigilante is town?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

It just occurred to me that a standard watcher is not the same as a tracker. We do not know which the Enigma meant to claim, if either standard role.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

It just occurred to me that a standard watcher is not the same as a tracker. We do not know which the Enigma meant to claim, if either standard role.

He quite explicitly claimed watcher? And said he could watch elsa tonight to see if she was roleblocked so that indicates the standard watcher ability?

Did i not say it was unclear? 'Watch' sent my thoughts to watcher, which does not make sense. What's still true is that we do not know his precise role, and we probably don't need to. Unless it is a changing role, and proves dangerous.

Why is ofhrz scum?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I nearly said something foolish earlier, but bad luck was on my side and did din't post. Enigma did mean watcher.

ofrhz said rolestopper, not roleblorker. Interesting. What is the difference?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Spoiler:

VOTE: chennis

in case theres interest

ill hammer enigma if i have to but eh

opportunistic

If Scum have a roleblocker or something you basically ruined my chances of confirming myself. Big thanks to everyone here, particularly Enigma.

Sigh

Atleast we're killing scum now. So I guess I'll take it.

Why would I out anything elsa at this point to scum? I'm already as screwed by claiming so early.

So I've essentially offered you an opportunity to confirm yourself as town, outside of any roleblock or nightkill mechanic. I said I would self-hammer if you are able to confirm yourself outside of a roleblock event due to having multiple shots and my watcher value on you is then pointless.

By your reasoning should be a win-win for you - you aren't screwed by having to claim because there is still the opportunity to use your role (and scum can't kill/rb you) or if you are only indeed single shot then I would self-hammer and would flip scum according to your beliefs.

1. Why haven't you even considered this or responded to my offer?
2. Why did you feel the need to crumb your role at a time when you were in no danger of being lynched, and your night actions could essentially confirm that role?

Please watch Wisdom instead

He's opportunistically jumping

VOTE: Wisdom

So you want me to shoot? If so, who?

This trajectory isn’t town

“Wisdom is scum”

“Ok I’ll shoot whoever wisdom tells me to shoot”

this is wrong - i wanted people's input

before i realized why i shouldnt

He's right. And his aura has improved since the claim. He previously was not consistent, but he's not pusshing anything now.

UNVOTE:

I will return.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Anywho, lets kill the watcher.


Then roleblock the vig and cop the death miller. kthnx.

We have a death miller? Really? How fun.

Wait, that has got to be sarcasm. Fuscoso isn't voting for the watcher.

watcher is like one of the strongest town roles
lets not

Let us not.

VOTE: Gemerald
i feel like she's been kinda meh in this game and hasn't really felt like she's been trying to solve. her most recent post says that xyzzy is a dunce for trying to replace her; even though she didn't post for 6 days. this implies that xyzzy should know for some other reason that she isn't flaking on this game and i think the most likely possibility for that is that she's still been somewhat active in the scum PT.

I legit siteflaked for a few days piss off

I believe you, but being rude to both Ausuka and Xyzzy isn't very nice. How was Xyzzy to know that you had returned.

Better to mislynch than nolynch.
But hate to mislynch.
There's no good wagon.
And too many claims.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Why do?

Because Chennis/Wilky is likely town, and thus was not voting Sabrina out of flawed motives? Chennis didn't think it was a good vote.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

11 hours. I should be on again before then, unless unforeseen and terrible circumstances prevent me.

Why Sabrina?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Your points are well taken. Wrackspurts are a nuisance, It's hard to remeber people when your brain is fuzzy.
Thomas can be a bit arrogant, but she could have done something else.

VOTE: Sabrina

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Poster's names are illegible on my phone unless I zoom.
I hadn't read the last vote count/replacement announcement.
Ankamius is a similar colour to Sabrina.
Confusion.
Then I assumed Anka was replacing Sabrina. (Why?)
Panic.
Anka is good.
Extra time is nice. Hammer doesn't have to be rushed.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Spoiler: Votecount

votecount 1.10

4 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Vedith, Dunnstral, Wisdom, davesaz)
3 players voting for Ausuka (wilky, DoubtingThomas, Elsa Jay)
2 players voting for light_ganski (Ausuka, Fuscosco)
2 players voting for Vedith (MariaR, light_ganski)
1 player voting for Sabrina LeCutie (StarwingBeauvoi)
1 player voting for wilky (Sabrina LeCutie)
1 player voting for DoubtingThomas (ofrhz)
1 player voting for davesaz (Gamma Emerald)

2 players not voting (Clemency, Enigma)

with 17 votes, it takes 9 to lynch.

day 1 will end in (expired on 2019-03-19 19:00:00).

mod notes:

this is a very good VC to go back to and visit on like... D4

This is an information gold mine with flips

We were still somewhat in a random voting state. Some of us at least.
Not unuseful though.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

Appearing unconcerned in order to lower suspicions.
Unconcerned and helpful works better than unconcerned and one-track.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

It's bad to jump on yet another wagon when one is sick (slightly), rushed, and unsure whether it is wise to be wise.
Replacing is null.

Maria's points are somewhat persuasive, neither terrible or wonderful.
Her claim is the exact kind of silliness someone would have made up.
Sabrina's posts are close to pointless. (One point, I grant.)
Yet her play is no better for scum than town.

Thus: UNVOTE:

[StarwingBeauvoi]

I think I like Enter. Early I liked Davez.
I want good good magic, that makes me only like good people.

Self voting can be funny, and have some interesting reactions, but we kinda ignored it. We ought not have.

Starwing is just tired now.