Non-Reviewed Game [game over]

[davesaz]

My Gamma read is precisely about holding back on content. Why is it better to vote a shorter wagon than a longer wagon in that case?
I don't disagree on some of the others you mentioned having low content.
Are any of the people you suggested wagoning scummy to you? You even included yourself in that list. It sounded to me like it was an "anyone but Gamma" type list which seems strange at this point in the game.

[davesaz]

Accidental pagetop, that was in reply to Ausuka.

[ofrhz]

Prod received
Sorry I’ve been sick and am having a hard time concentrating atm
Imma self medicate and come back to this later

[Ausuka]

My Gamma read is precisely about holding back on content. Why is it better to vote a shorter wagon than a longer wagon in that case?
I don't disagree on some of the others you mentioned having low content.
Are any of the people you suggested wagoning scummy to you? You even included yourself in that list. It sounded to me like it was an "anyone but Gamma" type list which seems strange at this point in the game.

in that case, i misinterpreted the situation, sorry.

I think light is scummy, vedith isn't really and obviously not myself. the reason i said that was because i saw people suggesting the gamma wagon was the best way to get the game going, but I think that building on what was posted before and joining a wagon with more stated reasons would be more likely to trigger events.

[DoubtingThomas]

the gamma wagon is confusing; i understand that it's a way to get the game started but i'd think it would be more prudent to vote for me or light or vedith rather than gamma.

i actually don't think anyone voting me is scummy yet; there's probably 1-2 scum in players like enigma, clemency, elsa, ofrhz? who feel kind of like they're holding back. there are a lot of nully people in general.

good commentary. can you give me a read now tho?

i was prodded and had to post something. i've already given plenty of reads up to this point and i don't think this is a genuine angle

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lol

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

do you thihnk scum would vote you that many times in obnoxious way?

[Fuscosco]

yes

[Ausuka]

the gamma wagon is confusing; i understand that it's a way to get the game started but i'd think it would be more prudent to vote for me or light or vedith rather than gamma.

i actually don't think anyone voting me is scummy yet; there's probably 1-2 scum in players like enigma, clemency, elsa, ofrhz? who feel kind of like they're holding back. there are a lot of nully people in general.

good commentary. can you give me a read now tho?

i was prodded and had to post something. i've already given plenty of reads up to this point and i don't think this is a genuine angle

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lol

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

do you thihnk scum would vote you that many times in obnoxious way?

yes because it feels like you're putting a lot of emphasis on your read really randomly and I think town has no reason to be so extra about it.

[DoubtingThomas]

why does town have no reason to be so extra about it?

[DoubtingThomas]

fusco, can you share reads on 5 random people of your choice?

[Fuscosco]

no

[Fuscosco]

like lmao did you not read my very last few posts?

[Fuscosco]

VOTE: dt

[Gamma Emerald]

votecount 1.08

5 players voting for Gamma Emerald (Vedith, Dunnstral, DoubtingThomas, Wisdom, davesaz)
2 players voting for light_ganski (Ausuka, Fuscosco)
1 player voting for Sabrina LeCutie (StarwingBeauvoi)
1 player voting for Fuscosco (light_ganski)
1 player voting for wilky (Sabrina LeCutie)
1 player voting for Ausuka (wilky)
1 player voting for Vedith (MariaR)
1 player voting for DoubtingThomas (ofrhz)
1 player voting for davesaz (Gamma Emerald)

3 players not voting (Elsa Jay, Clemency, Enigma)

with 17 votes, it takes 9 to lynch.

day 1 will end in (expired on 2019-03-19 19:00:00).

mod notes: DoubtingThomas replaces demonlord.

vedith dunnstral wisdom not trying other wagons and staying on rvs wagon gamma is anti town so early in the game

Disagree
Why change if gamma hasnt townspewed?

This is a hot turd of logic. When have you ever sorted me by waiting for me to town spew? I dont recall every being that way to others.

[Gamma Emerald]

i'd think it would be more prudent to vote for me or light or vedith rather than gamma.

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma and wisdom talking about pokemon by page 9 is always a bad look

Uh piss off? I was catching up so I commented on stuff that was older. Sue me for having fun wtf bro

last time you were pissy, you were scum (team with me)

Me being pissy in NAI.

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma and wisdom talking about pokemon by page 9 is always a bad look

Uh piss off? I was catching up so I commented on stuff that was older. Sue me for having fun wtf bro

last time you were pissy, you were scum (team with me)

ok gamma said this and then dipped after being a stale runaway wagon for so long

Sorry for spending the day at Disney World, jackass.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's possible they are all wrong.
Early in the game the best indicator of scum is "not town", which for me is people who are not doing anything to determine alignments.
Later in the game, other indicators become valid, like actions which try to manipulate people. (Not saying this

can't

happen early, but in my experience it's less likely.
Over the span of 2018 into 2019 I've noticed a tendency that the people I identify as not scumhunting tend to be scum > rand. So I'm willing to go on that as an early indicator.

On this indicator overnight:
Sabrina -> more scummy
Starwing -> a little more towny (BTW not being listed on my reads post doesn't mean invisible, it just means I hadn't formed an opinion yet)
Wilky -> +town by attitude, = by content

On Elsa Jay -- Would be scum by the early game metric, but there is a meta read that she tends to do randomly outlandish things. By that meta read she's trying to do something, but it's hard to pin down exactly what.

Oh, and don't remember if I've specifically mentioned this, but Dunnstral gets town points for appearing to try to sort. Meta on him for me is to overlook incorrectness and focus more on what he's trying to accomplish.

This reminds me, dont you have trouble sorting me? What makes you so confident this game (because that's how your read on me feels)?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

to those asking about my line about the gamma wagon; it generally seems like it would be a good idea to build on what we have, even if people are just pretending to actually believe it, then build a wagon that explicitly is not on a scumread because i think the first one would cause more pressure and cause the game to get started a lot faster. if there's a case on gamma that i missed i'd be wrong but i don't think there is one.

@enigma; those players are holding back in terms of content; it's certainly possible some of you are busy irl but we can't just assume that as an excuse for giving no content, i think.

You think then that Gamma has been explicitly said to not be a scum read? What else is there to build on? Why is pushing a Gamma wagon with little reads any different than "

building on what we have, even if people are just pretending to actually believe it

"?

My Gamma read is precisely about holding back on content. Why is it better to vote a shorter wagon than a longer wagon in that case?
I don't disagree on some of the others you mentioned having low content.
Are any of the people you suggested wagoning scummy to you? You even included yourself in that list. It sounded to me like it was an "anyone but Gamma" type list which seems strange at this point in the game.

in that case, i misinterpreted the situation, sorry.

I think light is scummy, vedith isn't really and obviously not myself. the reason i said that was because i saw people suggesting the gamma wagon was the best way to get the game going, but I think that building on what was posted before and joining a wagon with more stated reasons would be more likely to trigger events.

Do you just think Light is scummy based on the shakiness around the Fuscosco vote?

[StarwingBeauvoi]

They say Ausuka is defensive, but why?
Well maybe one or twice,
But not more than some others.
If Ausuka was defensive in post 137,
So was Light in post 130
Perhaps.
Neither had much bad to defend. They can both defend rightly.
Light in post 138 makes a defense of a sort
And in answers to Ausuka's post 153, I say that we are not as all effective as we wish to be.
It might be better to sound certain when doing pressure, but dithering is not inherently a sign of evil.

If anyone really wishes to call Ausuka defensive, post 398 is a deflection.
Ausuka has shared some opinions, but many reads?
Few of us have many reads.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

like lmao did you not read my very last few posts?

Could you try? An opinion does not have to contain strong town or scum leanings, and attempting to write one, is a good way to discover one.

[davesaz]

This reminds me, dont you have trouble sorting me? What makes you so confident this game (because that's how your read on me feels)?

I have trouble sorting you when you post AI type things that are based on dubious logic (difficulty separating wrongness from scumminess). In this case you haven't been posting AI at all (logical or not) which is completely different.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: enigma

iso him then sheep me

[Elsa Jay]

VOTE: enigma

iso him then sheep me

VOTE: Enigma

I'll do one better and skip straight to step 2.

[StarwingBeauvoi]

VOTE: enigma

iso him then sheep me

VOTE: Enigma

I'll do one better and skip straight to step 2.

Is blindly following anyone the path of wisdom?

[Fuscosco]

like lmao did you not read my very last few posts?

Could you try? An opinion does not have to contain strong town or scum leanings, and attempting to write one, is a good way to discover one.

sure. Ill post tomorrow.