Non-Reviewed Game [game over]

[ofrhz]

Hi everybody!

My name is Selina Meyer, and I'm running to be your president! Can I count on your vote?



VOTE: ofrhz

[ofrhz]

You can have my vote \o/

Thank you for your endorsement!

Here, have a complimentary button.

Spoiler:

[ofrhz]

Haven't you heard we're voting for anarchy

No presidents needed here

Anarchy is stupid.

In the timeless words of yours truly, "it doesn't do the job, and it makes a fucking mess."

[ofrhz]

Donald trump President forever.

ew

and i say this as both selina and ofrhz

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hi wisdom! how are you

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Hi enigma

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VOTE: demonlord

[ofrhz]

Prod received
Sorry I’ve been sick and am having a hard time concentrating atm
Imma self medicate and come back to this later

[ofrhz]

ofrhz would be more likely to have people calling them out on their content as town, probably

dude i literally said i couldn't post because i was sick

but i'm no longer dying so here we go

[ofrhz]

Actually that's a good question. Elsa why did you vote for Enigma?

[ofrhz]

guys please

i've disliked frozen ever since my college roommates decided to be frozen fangirls

[ofrhz]

I can annoy frozen fangirl and a frozen anti fan

Lit

Spoiler:

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Initial readslist:

Spoiler:

Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

^This. Who has a confident scum read on page 3?

It feels like derailment tactic if anything

If you think this why didn't you say anything before Dunnstral posted?

VOTE: lightganski

Because I hadn't really thought on a deeper level about the connection between the posts until dunn brought it up? Sometimes you don't really think about things until someone points them out

But your defensiveness to the suggestion is pretty suspicious

This isn't about thinking on a deeper level though; it's a very simple concept as far as I can tell. I asked you how confident you were about your read, and by asking you that I was undermining your read on Fuscosco by making you admit you're not confident. Thinking about it deeply should probably lead to the realization that I have no reason to do this because it's already clear you're not all that confident and I was voting Fuscosco myself at the time, not to mention I wouldn't really gain anything by obstructing an early push, even if I was buddies with Fuscosco.

Defensiveness being scummy is a strange concept to me. Why shouldn't I defend myself?

I feel like the wilky/sabrina issue would probably be better resolved privately rather than in the game thread.

the gamma wagon is confusing; i understand that it's a way to get the game started but i'd think it would be more prudent to vote for me or light or vedith rather than gamma.

i actually don't think anyone voting me is scummy yet; there's probably 1-2 scum in players like enigma, clemency, elsa, ofrhz? who feel kind of like they're holding back. there are a lot of nully people in general.

good commentary. can you give me a read now tho?

i was prodded and had to post something. i've already given plenty of reads up to this point and i don't think this is a genuine angle

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lol

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

Ausuka townlean. Her early push on light feels nuanced, and the "lol + DT vote" is slightly towny as well.

Spoiler:

vote: ausuka

your face is forced

stop. we should focus not on these little jokes but on the game.

Ignore the follow ups to my vote on ausuka. Focus on that. was her vote good? was my response good?

is my vote on light good? Lets all make 2 competing wagons. Mine's better, go!

VOTE: light ganski

enh ausuka is an alright wagon. What do you have against progress?

This is a really weird progression. Also doesn't seem to be game solving, more like just commenting, which gives scumpoints on both metrics I pointed out earlier.
I'm getting too many scumreads. The game has too little content.

Davesaz townlean. I had this same observation about fuscosco, and during my read through, I also had the same feeling where I felt like there were too many scummy people at this point in the game.

Spoiler:

Wagon on me yay

I choose VOTE: starwing

Do you choose be because I looked at your ISO before voting?

VOTE: Sabrina

Sabrina wanting Thomas gone, is rather obvious. Evil often likes to be sneaky. That's not sneaky.

This is a good point, although towns should be doing more than giving absolutely no other reads except that they want me dead regardless of alignment.

Given that she's a rather new player, I will give her more room, but I hope she starts trying to solve rest of the game because there is certainly more than 1 scum in the game.

However, this post kinda gives you, yourself, townie points so props

Yeah you show em, DT. Show em who's boss!

I am nobody's boss. I just own players like you who never generate content. Call me daddy

Okay Mommy. I'm sorry Mommy. Don't spank me Mommy.

explain your enigma vote

DT towny. I originally voted this slot, because his predecessor was tonally awkward and unnecessarily self conscious. But maybe that was just newb awkwardness because I can see genuine sorting here, and I like his push on Elsa. There are some dumb things that he says like "I'm locktown for spamming" and not reading the game, but in my experience, those aren't necessarily scum indicative for him.

Spoiler:

If we need a serious Wagon that isn't Gamma, currently liking Wilky, he seems like a chill dude, so until I got more information I'll just sheep this man to victory. Also recommended to Clementine to join me.

VOTE: Ausuka

VOTE: Clemency
Out of touch with the modern era.

VOTE: enigma

iso him then sheep me

VOTE: Enigma

I'll do one better and skip straight to step 2.

Elsa scumlean. I don't like him moving his vote off of a serious wagon to a joke vote or his enigma vote. If this ISO belonged to anyone else, this would probably be an outright scumread.

Spoiler:

like lmao did you not read my very last few posts?

VOTE: dt

Fuscosco nullscum. This was kind of a weak vote onto a building wagon, and there's also the thing dave mentioned in 388.

Spoiler:

Asking someone for how confident they are so early feels like it weakens someone elses push rather than sort out reads

^This. Who has a confident scum read on page 3?

It feels like derailment tactic if anything

If you think this why didn't you say anything before Dunnstral posted?

VOTE: lightganski

Because I hadn't really thought on a deeper level about the connection between the posts until dunn brought it up? Sometimes you don't really think about things until someone points them out

But your defensiveness to the suggestion is pretty suspicious

Then vote me?

Why? I'm voting fuscosco cos I have reasons to scumread them too.

But you know what? I'm fed up of people using this stupid move to shut down discussion so I'll bite


VOTE: vedith

Light scumlean. Maybe it was because it was early so she was struggling for content, but I didn't like the reasoning behind her votes.

Spoiler:

Top poster 20 minutes into joining the game

I am Locktown

Yeah, no.

Spamming =/= town. In fact, if it weren't for you replacing in and catching up, I'd say you'd be pretty scummy for trying this tactic.

You know what, fuck it, even for a replace in that spam seemed like you were trying to seem overly towny.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: DoubtingThomas

I say we just get rid of Thomas now

We can all focus more properly when we don't have an arrogant jerk breathing down our necks.

I legit think town has a better chance of winning with him gone than with him here regardless of alignment

Sabrina scumlean. I don't like her trajectory; she went from scumreading DT for trying to seem towny but in 440, her push sounds more like a PL and it doesn't sound like she's scumreading him. I don't see that much sorting from this slot otherwise.

Spoiler:

Ausuka Looks town.

I'd also accept a Light wagon to grow.

Vedith can be a townlean for now for mindmeld.

Everyone else I haven't bothered to mention is somewhere between nulltown and straight null.

VOTE: Elsa Jay

[ofrhz]

pagetop wallpost

nice

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Wagon on me yay

I choose VOTE: starwing

Why?

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Spoiler:

to those asking about my line about the gamma wagon; it generally seems like it would be a good idea to build on what we have, even if people are just pretending to actually believe it, then build a wagon that explicitly is not on a scumread because i think the first one would cause more pressure and cause the game to get started a lot faster. if there's a case on gamma that i missed i'd be wrong but i don't think there is one.

@enigma; those players are holding back in terms of content; it's certainly possible some of you are busy irl but we can't just assume that as an excuse for giving no content, i think.

You think then that Gamma has been explicitly said to not be a scum read? What else is there to build on? Why is pushing a Gamma wagon with little reads any different than "

building on what we have, even if people are just pretending to actually believe it

"?

My Gamma read is precisely about holding back on content. Why is it better to vote a shorter wagon than a longer wagon in that case?
I don't disagree on some of the others you mentioned having low content.
Are any of the people you suggested wagoning scummy to you? You even included yourself in that list. It sounded to me like it was an "anyone but Gamma" type list which seems strange at this point in the game.

in that case, i misinterpreted the situation, sorry.

I think light is scummy, vedith isn't really and obviously not myself. the reason i said that was because i saw people suggesting the gamma wagon was the best way to get the game going, but I think that building on what was posted before and joining a wagon with more stated reasons would be more likely to trigger events.

Do you just think Light is scummy based on the shakiness around the Fuscosco vote?

They say Ausuka is defensive, but why?
Well maybe one or twice,
But not more than some others.
If Ausuka was defensive in post 137,
So was Light in post 130
Perhaps.
Neither had much bad to defend. They can both defend rightly.
Light in post 138 makes a defense of a sort
And in answers to Ausuka's post 153, I say that we are not as all effective as we wish to be.
It might be better to sound certain when doing pressure, but dithering is not inherently a sign of evil.

If anyone really wishes to call Ausuka defensive, post 398 is a deflection.
Ausuka has shared some opinions, but many reads?
Few of us have many reads.

Starwing, what's your read on Ausuka

[ofrhz]

My grandfather died today. It wasn't a surprise, but rather sad. I cried.

i'm sorry to hear that. you have my condolences

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Wagon on me yay

I choose VOTE: starwing

Why?

Made a terrible reason to jump on a terrible wagon

what do you think of elsa's vote on you?

[ofrhz]

Maria and orfrkhdjfcmxz look town motivated

Why the tr on Maria?

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orfrkhdjfcmxz

Wisdom alt detected

[ofrhz]

Wagon on me yay

I choose VOTE: starwing

Why?

Made a terrible reason to jump on a terrible wagon

what do you think of elsa's vote on you?

Elsa's ISO is so contentless it huts my eyes

^actually just mainly pretending that elsa doesn't exist

this doesn't really answer my question tho

why was starwing's vote worse than elsa's?

[ofrhz]

daily-ish check-in
how's everyone

hi clem

have you been busier than usual irl or something?

[ofrhz]

mod notes: davesaz, Fuscosco, and Vedith have been prodded.

Spoiler:

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there's too little resistance to this wagon

[ofrhz]

what fallacy

[ofrhz]

this gamestate is awful

[ofrhz]

judging from their last two posts, both gamma and dave are willing to vote enigma

so you already have the votes for this lynch to go through

and yet nothing has happened

[ofrhz]

a viable counterwagon i guess

[ofrhz]

ow i got prodded again

[ofrhz]

wait what

[ofrhz]

it's my cake day :^)

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VOTE: enigma

iso him then sheep me

VOTE: Enigma

I'll do one better and skip straight to step 2.

Is blindly following anyone the path of wisdom?

It is for your friendly neighborhood Elsa.

I'm not getting quickhammered when I can fucking confirm myself tommorow with someone.

We kill Enigma. That's it. And the fact I had to claim to make you do it is horrible.

what does it mean to "confirm yourself with someone"?

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UNVOTE:

ooh sorry i see how that's a crumb now

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VOTE: enigma

L-1

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intent

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\o/

[ofrhz]

You guys can’t be serious

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I’m going to be busy for the rest of today, so I’m going to go ahead and just claim

I’m a 2 shot rolestopper

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I don’t understand how the chennis wagon dissipated

vigs are testable but confirming his vig claim won’t confirm his alignment

Ungated scum vigs are rare but I wouldn’t be surprised if there was an x-shot scum vig

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Spoiler:

VOTE: chennis

in case theres interest

ill hammer enigma if i have to but eh

opportunistic

If Scum have a roleblocker or something you basically ruined my chances of confirming myself. Big thanks to everyone here, particularly Enigma.

Sigh

Atleast we're killing scum now. So I guess I'll take it.

Why would I out anything elsa at this point to scum? I'm already as screwed by claiming so early.

So I've essentially offered you an opportunity to confirm yourself as town, outside of any roleblock or nightkill mechanic. I said I would self-hammer if you are able to confirm yourself outside of a roleblock event due to having multiple shots and my watcher value on you is then pointless.

By your reasoning should be a win-win for you - you aren't screwed by having to claim because there is still the opportunity to use your role (and scum can't kill/rb you) or if you are only indeed single shot then I would self-hammer and would flip scum according to your beliefs.

1. Why haven't you even considered this or responded to my offer?
2. Why did you feel the need to crumb your role at a time when you were in no danger of being lynched, and your night actions could essentially confirm that role?

Please watch Wisdom instead

He's opportunistically jumping

VOTE: Wisdom

So you want me to shoot? If so, who?

This trajectory isn’t town

“Wisdom is scum”

“Ok I’ll shoot whoever wisdom tells me to shoot”

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VOTE: chennis

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VOTE: ofrhz

So every person we run up is going to claim something that makes us want to lynch someone else

Exactly what I meant about this turning into an inadvertent massclaim. The implications of which are probably not in our favour at this stage. We could run up ten players but then we're just giving scum the pick of which role they'd most like to get rid of

I think this is also scum

[ofrhz]

It doesn’t make sense to vote me and then warn against running up multiple players

[ofrhz]

I also lost my townread on vedith

idk what he’s doing

[ofrhz]

I’ll hammer myself if you are multiple shot.

If Scum have a roleblocker or something you basically ruined my chances of confirming myself. Big thanks to everyone here, particularly Enigma.

Sigh

Atleast we're killing scum now. So I guess I'll take it.

Why would I out anything elsa at this point to scum? I'm already as screwed by claiming so early.

So I've essentially offered you an opportunity to confirm yourself as town, outside of any roleblock or nightkill mechanic. I said I would self-hammer if you are able to confirm yourself outside of a roleblock event due to having multiple shots and my watcher value on you is then pointless.

By your reasoning should be a win-win for you - you aren't screwed by having to claim because there is still the opportunity to use your role (and scum can't kill/rb you) or if you are only indeed single shot then I would self-hammer and would flip scum according to your beliefs.

1. Why haven't you even considered this or responded to my offer?
2. Why did you feel the need to crumb your role at a time when you were in no danger of being lynched, and your night actions could essentially confirm that role?

I’m no longer interested in lynching enigma

[ofrhz]

Chennis’s vote/intent on enigma was also bad considering he was explicitly townreading enigma

[ofrhz]

rolestopper can be scum

You can say this about most roles

Still doesn’t make me scum

[ofrhz]

I think that’s all I had to say

have fun

[ofrhz]

Still not scum

[ofrhz]

If Xyzzy finds nobody then we go into a night with a No Lynch. We have 12 hours.

I do want a useful lynch but the claims are going to resolve themselves at this rate.

@Ofrhz:

Is your version of Rolestopper the one that also stops kills or just basically makes someone ascetic?

The claim game only hurts town in the end by happening so soon.

The former

[ofrhz]

davesaz is scum because his ISO is not good

by not good I mean there's a ton of that same type of posting in there

pointless question
weird engagements

etc.

Ankamius is probably town

[ofrhz]

Hi everybody!

My name is Selina Meyer, and I'm running to be your president! Can I count on your vote?



VOTE: ofrhz

Self-votes are scummy. Anti-town and I've seen like 2? townies use self-votes when not trying to AtE, but like 3 more scum, off the top of my head.

VOTE: ofhrz

This was obviously part of my entrance

and even if it wasn't, this is a pretty surface-level read

[ofrhz]

Enter why am I scum?

[ofrhz]

VOTE: enter

[ofrhz]

im v/la through 3/30

[ofrhz]

Yeah I rolestopped Elsa last night

Why did you target her?

[ofrhz]

I was roleblocked?

[ofrhz]

I was roleblocked?

Uhhh nvm apparently I submitted my action too late last night and the mod didnt count it

Zzz

[ofrhz]

Ofrhz could you fullclaim please?

I already did - 2s rolestopper

[ofrhz]

I'm legit waiting for the mason claim at this point so I can point out bullshit because theirs no way we have a vig that's a mason. OH OFRHZ WAS ROLEBLOCKED? GUESS WHO ONLY THAT CAN BE.

No sorry I screwed up

[ofrhz]

I will be home from vacay in 5 hours and will do my best to catch up then

[ofrhz]

Gamma and ofrhz are the ropes today.

I dont see any reason to keep the slots around. They should be the vig tonight. ofhrz is literally claimed rolestopper

Gamma will probably just be replaced

It's already been established that this game is made up of roles created by separate people. Furthermore, why do you keep insisting I'm scum because my role is redundant but do not apply this same standard to any of the other redundant claimed roles?

[ofrhz]

mmmmm

yeah, I'm fine with this

I give vig shot to Elsa
Ofrhz rolestops me
Elsa targets MariaR
Vedith targets MariaR
light gives bodyguard to Fuscosco
Fuscosco does not hide
Chen does chen things
gamma flakes out
mariar stays unlynchable

DT gets lynched

What is this supposed to accomplish again? Without anyone on Elsa tonight, won't she likely just get killed? i.e. why should I be on you over the conftowns

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ofrhz can you read DT iso or my recent posts and tell me what you think? I obv think he's obv scum but I wanna hear your thoughts.
pedit: How the fuck can a hider be roleblocked or even know they're roleblocked?

I thought he was towny a while back but my tr on him kind of disappeared over time. He's in my PoE right now

I'm not seeing how he's

obvscum

though? I don't scumread people for being wrong

[ofrhz]

^ Oh I guess his misrep of your case isn't good either

[ofrhz]

VOTE: fus

[ofrhz]

Wait Fus copchecked Elsa N1?

Fus can you explain the thought process behind that? Didn't I say I was going to rolestop Elsa N1?

[ofrhz]

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Vedith and DT are confirmed town. I haven't outed this to see wagons. I'd rather not share how I know just yet, but they are confirmed town.

We lynch Gamma and someone vigs Maria.

ok, that simplifies the game from my pov

fus/light/maria is where I'm at right now

I remember thinking gamma was probably town for voteparking on the dave slot for pretty much all of D1. She appears to have siteflaked, so I don't think her lack of contributions is very AI

[ofrhz]

Dt claimed he was a loyal neighborizer and tried to target me last night?

[ofrhz]

Ank is dead mate

[ofrhz]

We have 5 conftowns but only 7 players remaining? That’s literally impossible

[ofrhz]

Multiple people have to be lying and fake inno’ing each other/themselves

[ofrhz]

I stayed home last night ftr. I didn’t rolestop anyone

[ofrhz]

Town Loyal Loud Announcing Neighborizer

This doesn’t make DT conf town

How do you know he isn’t lying about the loyal modifier smh

[ofrhz]

Hey Fusc. I know you know Light is town, that's why you conftowned him to me. That probably makes you town because your ability makes no sense for scum. I rolecopped you, Fusc, so I know you're not lying and I know what you did.

Going by your Poe here, the scumteam would have to be me/Elsa/brass

Which already doesn’t make sense unless you think brass and Elsa decided to bus each other in lylo

[ofrhz]

Looks like today is going to be between me and DT

But you guys need to hold off on voting because even outside {me, DT}, there’s some elaborate fake claiming going on here that we should figure out today

[ofrhz]

This game isn’t guaranteed to not be bastard

[ofrhz]

I agree that it’s unlikely given the kind of roles that have already been flipped

[ofrhz]

VOTE: DT

[ofrhz]

My vote is on ofrhz for the vote.

DT is literally confscum from my POV

The only way DT isn’t confscum is if you lied about him having a guilty on me, which would make you scum

Since I’ve already said I don’t think this game is bastard, you’re probably just the most frustrating conftown I have ever played with (and I’ve played with FL scumsiding for most of a large as IC)

[ofrhz]

Whoo now I can die in peace!

@Enigma, the dead pt better be full of salt and entertaining af

[ofrhz]

Enigma was my only buddy

[ofrhz]

gg

thanks for modding xyzzy!